0002110: Shallow water cancels merfolk transformation

(0008282)
rob (developer)
2010-09-09 15:29

This is by design. Whether it's good design, I'm not sure, but merfolk-in-water is treated almost like a transformation, and just one can be active at the moment. The mer-lich would not be worth the effort in my opinion. If you'd like to see some changes here, I suggest taking this to the wiki.

(0008283)
KiloByte (manager)
2010-09-09 15:34

Uhm, by that logic we should disallow merfolk from changing shape ON LAND. It's water where they have their natural form.

(0008284)
galehar (administrator)
2010-09-09 15:44

You can't have 2 forms active at the same time, but being transformed doesn't prevent you from changing form. If you're in spider form and cast ice form, you instantly change. It doesn't even take a turn to cancel the first form. So I understand why stepping in shallow water cancels a transformation (maybe it shouldn't), but there's really no reason why a merfolk in water couldn't change form.

(0008285)
KiloByte (manager)
2010-09-09 15:46

It's a real bug. Of course, they probably should be unable to enter deep water while transformed into a spider (which may untransform if Xom was not involved) or a hog (always untransformable), but certainly not shallow.

The only question here is about statue form and deep water. Technically, statues don't need to breathe and upon untransforming you can just swim up -- but that raises some issues about other races.

(0008717)
Kate (developer)
2010-09-21 08:24
edited on: 2010-09-21 08:25

This bug also seems to allow merfolk to cancel involuntary transformations (Kirke hogform, god wraths) for free by simply entering shallow water.

(0008718)
rob (developer)
2010-09-21 09:23

(0008898)
galehar (administrator)
2010-10-04 21:34

fixed in trunk (9ad9d9ef)

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-07-28 05:50	mageykun	New Issue
2010-09-09 15:29	rob	Note Added: 0008282
2010-09-09 15:29	rob	Status	new => resolved
2010-09-09 15:29	rob	Fixed in Branch	=> 0.8 development branch
2010-09-09 15:29	rob	Resolution	open => no change required
2010-09-09 15:29	rob	Assigned To	=> rob
2010-09-09 15:34	KiloByte	Note Added: 0008283
2010-09-09 15:44	galehar	Note Added: 0008284
2010-09-09 15:46	KiloByte	Note Added: 0008285
2010-09-09 15:46	KiloByte	Assigned To	rob =>
2010-09-09 15:46	KiloByte	Status	resolved => confirmed
2010-09-10 12:07	rob	Relationship added	related to 0002384
2010-09-21 08:24	Kate	Note Added: 0008717
2010-09-21 08:25	Kate	Note Edited: 0008717
2010-09-21 09:23	rob	Note Added: 0008718
2010-10-02 12:54	galehar	Assigned To	=> galehar
2010-10-02 12:55	galehar	Status	confirmed => assigned
2010-10-04 21:34	galehar	Note Added: 0008898
2010-10-04 21:34	galehar	Status	assigned => resolved
2011-10-22 02:29	Kate	Status	resolved => closed

Notes
(0008282) rob (developer) 2010-09-09 15:29	This is by design. Whether it's good design, I'm not sure, but merfolk-in-water is treated almost like a transformation, and just one can be active at the moment. The mer-lich would not be worth the effort in my opinion. If you'd like to see some changes here, I suggest taking this to the wiki.

(0008283) KiloByte (manager) 2010-09-09 15:34	Uhm, by that logic we should disallow merfolk from changing shape ON LAND. It's water where they have their natural form.

(0008284) galehar (administrator) 2010-09-09 15:44	You can't have 2 forms active at the same time, but being transformed doesn't prevent you from changing form. If you're in spider form and cast ice form, you instantly change. It doesn't even take a turn to cancel the first form. So I understand why stepping in shallow water cancels a transformation (maybe it shouldn't), but there's really no reason why a merfolk in water couldn't change form.

(0008285) KiloByte (manager) 2010-09-09 15:46	It's a real bug. Of course, they probably should be unable to enter deep water while transformed into a spider (which may untransform if Xom was not involved) or a hog (always untransformable), but certainly not shallow. The only question here is about statue form and deep water. Technically, statues don't need to breathe and upon untransforming you can just swim up -- but that raises some issues about other races.

(0008717) Kate (developer) 2010-09-21 08:24 edited on: 2010-09-21 08:25	This bug also seems to allow merfolk to cancel involuntary transformations (Kirke hogform, god wraths) for free by simply entering shallow water.

(0008718) rob (developer) 2010-09-21 09:23	See also wiki page at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:misc:mutations_and_forms [^]

(0008898) galehar (administrator) 2010-10-04 21:34	fixed in trunk (9ad9d9ef)