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Shard1697 wrote:for much of the game(especially the most dangerous parts of the game) weapons are strictly better
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bel wrote:First, looking at UC without transmutations:
(a) +0 two-handed weapons out-damage UC at a similar skill level for low-to-medium skill level. Try fsim with +0 dire flail, fighting 10, skill level 14 for m&f and UC.
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duvessa wrote:It's always fun watching people demonstrate that they have no idea what strength does
severen wrote:A sacred scourge I think might do more damage on a low STR guy but probably about equal on a decent strength guy.
severen wrote:Why would you compare UC to two-handers?
severen wrote:The only UC I would bother comparing to two-handers is Dragon Form UC which does completely crazy damage. No two handed weapon can compare to the damage output of high end Dragon form, even max tier top end two handers.
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severen wrote:Why would you compare UC to two-handers?Spoiler: show
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bel wrote:UC exists to provide another viable playstyle. If it was always better than weapons, then weapons don't have any reason to exist. Assuming that the devs (and other players) are not totally stupid, if no weapons was simply better than weapons, perhaps someone would have noticed this odd state of affairs in many years - and there would be clamouring for UC to be nerfed, or weapons to be buffed?
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bel wrote:If we weaken the proposition to "UC > all weapons except the rare ones", it still doesn't make much sense because a one cannot count on a rare item to spawn during the game, therefore, one would always train UC.
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duvessa wrote:Someone who understands what strength does would not say this. If A > B, then for any positive C, A*C > B*C. Different strength values will only change the comparison between two weapons if there are other unaffected-by-strength factors at play - but you can't claim slaying/auxes/brand/etc here since you chose a strictly multiplicative brand and two weapons with identical delay (27 skill unarmed and presumably-at-least-12 skill sacred scourge). The only way this statement could ever be true is if the sacred scourge's enchantment is within a very specific range, and I doubt that's what you were thinking of.severen wrote:A sacred scourge I think might do more damage on a low STR guy but probably about equal on a decent strength guy.
Not to say the rest of your post isn't nonsense in the first place. Why are you comparing unarmed at 27 skill to a weapon that reaches min delay at 12 skill? If you are training your weapon skill to 27 you are (in addition to making stupid skilling choices) using a weapon that reflects that.To be charitable to UC. If you're not an octopode or a troll there's really no incentive to use a shield if you want to use UC, and there's definitely no incentive to use UC if you want a shield: at one-hander skill levels and for quite a while after, actual one-handers outdamage untransformed (even shieldless untransformed) UC by a ridiculous margin already. To make UC's damage output actually good you have to use forms, and of the viable forms only statue form can use a shield at all, and shields are almost never worth the xp investment if you use spells and aren't a troll.severen wrote:Why would you compare UC to two-handers?Dragon form with high unarmed skill does more damage than weapons for the same reason fire storm does more damage than weapons. It's far, far more expensive to get.severen wrote:The only UC I would bother comparing to two-handers is Dragon Form UC which does completely crazy damage. No two handed weapon can compare to the damage output of high end Dragon form, even max tier top end two handers.
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severen wrote:Since you declined to explain what strength actually does and isntead tried to explain how simple multiplication works instead.
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