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"The combo system is a mistake." (was: Food reform AGAIN)
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goodcoolguy wrote:The combo system is a mistake. Making arbitrary combinations of independently designed species and backgrounds results in a ton of garbage, much of which plays the same (go Fedhas/Yred/Trog/Hep/Nemelex, get tons of experience in lair, then do whatever you want). When players whine "Oh, but I want to make a Troll Wizard, why am I only allowed to make a Troll Warrior and a Troll Cleric?" The answer is that you should have collapsed it into a single choice in the first place so they wouldn't have thought of that stupid question.
goodcoolguy wrote:It is fine to offer a choice of starting characters to play, but {20 some species} x {20 some backgrounds} isn't the way to do it.
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goodcoolguy wrote:I said what I meant in my first comment on the matter: It should be collapsed into a single choice.
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goodcoolguy wrote:When players whine "Oh, but I want to make a Troll Wizard
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goodcoolguy wrote:I said what I meant in my first comment on the matter: It should be collapsed into a single choice.
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goodcoolguy wrote:3, but it should not be presented as or reduce to a combination of independent things where you could have a minotaur fighter and a troll fighter, in other words two choices that clearly differ only in a choice of species or "class."
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goodcoolguy wrote:I don't think there's any point in making a specific proposal on this. The crawl model is what it is, and as mistaken as it may be in various ways, I wouldn't expect it to change significantly.
Starting characters should be designed as individual, mutually distinct entities. I mention this just to amplify the challenge to the way combos work now made upthread. It doesn't have to be the way it is and there are better ways it could be.
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dowan wrote:why bring it up in the first place if you're not even really suggesting it should be in the game?
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Rast wrote:As a start towards fixing this, I think all apts currently at -3 should be considered for bumping up to -2. Then, all apts at -4 or -5 should be bumped to -3, without exception.
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CypherZel wrote:The crawl combo system is one of the few things that make crawl unique. Just go play another game at this point
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