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Re: Early spellbooks
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and into wrote:Even if you find a spell book with flame tongue (let's say) near the end of D1 when you started as an AK with maces, it is almost certainly still going to weaken your character to suddenly switch away from training maces and instead try to get flame tongue online.
Should a blowgun and a few poisoned needles be a guaranteed drop on D1 to D3? Or a wand of random effects? A single throwing net? A -2 quarterstaff?
Berder wrote:It's easy to do a melee start with any background since starting weapons are all over the place.
Yes, with any background you can pick up the first weapon you come across and start using that as your primary method to kill stuff, but that's very rarely what you should do.
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Berder wrote:A blowgun and a few poisoned needles are pretty likely to drop on D1-3.
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and into wrote:
Yes, with any background you can pick up the first weapon you come across and start using that as your primary method to kill stuff, but that's very rarely what you should do.
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Pollen_Golem wrote:Instead of just "artifact spellbooks on D1-3" this proposal could use a special early-dungeon portal to a monster-infested library, similar to ossuary and sewers.
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Rast wrote:Pollen_Golem wrote:Instead of just "artifact spellbooks on D1-3" this proposal could use a special early-dungeon portal to a monster-infested library, similar to ossuary and sewers.
How about adding a spellbook as possible treasure to ossuary and sewers?
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Sandman25 wrote:Berder,
Your last message and OP are quite different. Do you still want "artifact spellbooks on D1-3, each containing a few low-level spells (level 4 or lower, not necessarily in the same school)" or "Too many classes quickly end up as playing the same as other classes. A few early spellbooks could shake that up.".
I agree with the latter (buffing casters is good IMHO) but I can't agree with the former (buffing melee is not good IMHO). Specifically I don't agree that there should no be books with higher level spells.
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dowan wrote:However, I wouldn't want to see the common utility spells get more common, e.g. regeneration, deflect missiles, oza's armor, animate skeleton, etc... In other words, we want spells that increase variety of early builds, not more spells that just enhance those builds.
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Sandman25 wrote:dowan wrote:However, I wouldn't want to see the common utility spells get more common, e.g. regeneration, deflect missiles, oza's armor, animate skeleton, etc... In other words, we want spells that increase variety of early builds, not more spells that just enhance those builds.
I think some of those spells are problematic (too useful for their levels). For example, it is sad that we cannot have Ozocubu's Armour work differently for different backgrounds (level 3 for IE, level 5 for FE/Be and level 4 for everyone else). Regeneration might be level 4 for Sk and level 5 for everyone else etc. Backgrounds are only starting packages, I know.
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Hurkyl wrote:Hrm. Here's a radical thought: what if a background gave you skill bonuses, rather than an initial distribution of experience? While OA wouldn't actually be a lower level spell for IE, the skill training requirements would be less.
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Sandman25 wrote:Most book backgrounds need other books or they become weaker than melee backgrounds in Lair branches.
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hannobal wrote:After doing Lair, dungeon and orc most characters have found 1-5 books in addition to starting book ( based on my limited experience). Of course that doesn't guarantee their usefulness, but there is Vehumet and Sif for that.
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Hurkyl wrote:Hrm. Here's a radical thought: what if a background gave you skill bonuses, rather than an initial distribution of experience? While OA wouldn't actually be a lower level spell for IE, the skill training requirements would be less.
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archaeo wrote:I usually consider CK a "melee background."
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Sandman25 wrote:dowan wrote:However, I wouldn't want to see the common utility spells get more common, e.g. regeneration, deflect missiles, oza's armor, animate skeleton, etc... In other words, we want spells that increase variety of early builds, not more spells that just enhance those builds.
I think some of those spells are problematic (too useful for their levels). For example, it is sad that we cannot have Ozocubu's Armour work differently for different backgrounds (level 3 for IE, level 5 for FE/Be and level 4 for everyone else). Regeneration might be level 4 for Sk and level 5 for everyone else etc. Backgrounds are only starting packages, I know.
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tasonir wrote:FR: A spellbook with statue form is guaranteed by D:9, like altars. This is for personal reasons
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