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Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 12:28
by Hydralisk
Hi!

I need a specific version of the game, but the so-called "archive" http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/archive.html only contains new 0.11 stuff. Are older versions still available somewhere for download?

I'm looking for 0.10-trunk versions from Oct 2011, but older than 25.10.2011 (according to changes.txt, mountain dwarves were killed on that day).
I miss mountain dwarves. :cry:

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 14:10
by Blade
solution: call hill orc "mountain dwarf" in your head

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 14:21
by Hydralisk
Not funny.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 14:48
by XuaXua
Damn the "so-called" archive! So-called indeed!!!!!!!1111111one

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 14:53
by BlackSheep

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 15:21
by Hydralisk
minmay wrote:Learn how to use git, that's the easiest way to get a specific version.

I installed it and it downloaded something that's probably a source code for the latest version, but it's WAY too advanced to a non-programmer like me beyond this point. Thanks anyway.


Thanks, I already installed 0.9.2 (and playing it right now), but was hoping for 0.10-trunk being still available somewhere.

Guys, if anyone of you has pre-25.10.11 windows tiles package, could you PLEASE (very please!) upload it to some filesharing service?

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 15:32
by MyOtheHedgeFox
There should be a way to grab all the GIT changes up to a certain update from the development branch. Find their removal in the Book of Changelog, then look for the tool and its application in Gitorious manual.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 15:33
by pratamawirya
I have the 22-10-2011 version. Let me upload it first.

EDIT:
Here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/?9sacau6n89zycys

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 16:00
by Hydralisk
pratamawirya wrote:I have the 22-10-2011 version. Let me upload it first.

Bless you, kind sir! May you win every game from now on!

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 00:03
by IronJelly
If you don't mind me asking (I mean no ill in this):

what is your desperation to play Mountain Dwarves? weren't they removed because other species were too similar anyways (and you'll miss all other additions to the game since then)?

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 00:48
by Jabberwocky
There maybe well be a nostalgia factor involved. Mountain dwarfs were a noble heavy armour species.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 02:41
by Grimm
Helmets probably.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 03:12
by Blade
I was going to say that, but I felt that I'd already used my snarkiness quota for this thread.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 13:28
by Mankeli
Hydralisk wrote:Not funny.


If you did not realise, you just made the terrible mistake of mentioning the mountain dwarves, this is what you get when you do. Many people complain about the removal (usually with somewhat poor arguments) and many others are so obsessed with the people who insist on returning the MDs, that you get flamed even if you actually aren't actually complaining about MD-removal, rather just saying you want to play an older version :D .

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 20:01
by Hydralisk
IronJelly wrote:If you don't mind me asking (I mean no ill in this):
what is your desperation to play Mountain Dwarves? weren't they removed because other species were too similar anyways (and you'll miss all other additions to the game since then)?

Jabberwocky totally nailed it:
Jabberwocky wrote:There maybe well be a nostalgia factor involved. Mountain dwarfs were a noble heavy armour species.


It's more of the "lore" thing for me. I wanted to play a heavy armour fighter who is not a filthy orc nor a half-beast. Being a dwarf with an axe - a classic generic fantasy stereotype - felt just about right.
Maybe this sounds weird, but I need to like my character on the character creation screen to play the game well. I can't play majority of species not because of the abilities/aptitudes, but because I simply don't like them as species.

I also realised that when I started playing DCSS (early 0.8 versions), I didn't "get" melee combat at all, dying on early floors with any melee character except KoBe, but in contrast having much success with conjuration-based spellcasters. Recently I finally "got" melee chars and now want to win with MDFi - a classic Crawl newbie combo - because I simply have never won with MDFi before. It's like "been to Paris, have a photo of me in front of the Eiffel tower", only "played DCSS, won with MDFi".

Mankeli wrote:If you did not realise, you just made the terrible mistake of mentioning the mountain dwarves, this is what you get when you do. Many people complain about the removal (usually with somewhat poor arguments) and many others are so obsessed with the people who insist on returning the MDs, that you get flamed even if you actually aren't actually complaining about MD-removal, rather just saying you want to play an older version :D .

OK, I now understand why all the trolling. :) I stopped playing Crawl a couple of weeks before removal took place, so missed all the fun.
I simply pointed out why a later version won't suffice.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 22:04
by Blade
Agreed. MDFi has been less the "newbie combo" and more the "newbie trap" since then. 0.5 was the high point of MDFi.

On another note, what's wrong with DD as heavy-armour dwarf fighter? They're still brokenly strong (sure, you can't go oka, but oka is frustrating anyway). Alternatively, play human and imagine yourself as a 'knight in shining armour' archetype or a 'fierce warrior of the north.' There are plenty of other heavy-armour builds in crawl (with likable/generic archetypes) besides the Mi/MD/HO triad; I have a really hard time understanding the nostalgia about mountain dwarves for this reason (well, I also like minotaur and hill orc more anyway, because they're just cooler). Just because a race doesn't have +8 apts for a stat doesn't mean that you can't train that stat.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 22:11
by Grimm
Blade wrote:play human

wat

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 22:16
by Blade
Rename it "Viking" in your head if you want. Just because crawl has all sorts of other shiny races doesn't mean that humans can't be interesting. It also doesn't hurt that they're a strong race with great apts across the board.

...also they can wear helmets and grow beards
...and sometimes they are short

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 22:46
by Hydralisk
I have no interest in discussing it, nor I'm complaining about anything.

I'm playing Mountain Dwarf right now in 0.10 and having fun with it. Is that okay? Good.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 22:58
by Blade
Oh, look at that. You posted it on a public forum, where people can have discussions that may or may not fit the op's whims. If there is a discussion to be had, we will have it.

Is that okay?

Good.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 23:23
by Grimm
Blade wrote:...also they can wear helmets and grow beards
...and sometimes they are short

New race: Short Human

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 23:39
by Jabberwocky
Grimm wrote:
Blade wrote:...also they can wear helmets and grow beards
...and sometimes they are short

New race: Short Human

Sounds a bit like a halfling.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 23:42
by IronJelly
Hydralisk wrote:
IronJelly wrote:If you don't mind me asking (I mean no ill in this):
what is your desperation to play Mountain Dwarves? weren't they removed because other species were too similar anyways (and you'll miss all other additions to the game since then)?

Jabberwocky totally nailed it:
Jabberwocky wrote:There maybe well be a nostalgia factor involved. Mountain dwarfs were a noble heavy armour species.


It's more of the "lore" thing for me. I wanted to play a heavy armour fighter who is not a filthy orc nor a half-beast. Being a dwarf with an axe - a classic generic fantasy stereotype - felt just about right.
Maybe this sounds weird, but I need to like my character on the character creation screen to play the game well. I can't play majority of species not because of the abilities/aptitudes, but because I simply don't like them as species.

I also realised that when I started playing DCSS (early 0.8 versions), I didn't "get" melee combat at all, dying on early floors with any melee character except KoBe, but in contrast having much success with conjuration-based spellcasters. Recently I finally "got" melee chars and now want to win with MDFi - a classic Crawl newbie combo - because I simply have never won with MDFi before. It's like "been to Paris, have a photo of me in front of the Eiffel tower", only "played DCSS, won with MDFi".

Mankeli wrote:If you did not realise, you just made the terrible mistake of mentioning the mountain dwarves, this is what you get when you do. Many people complain about the removal (usually with somewhat poor arguments) and many others are so obsessed with the people who insist on returning the MDs, that you get flamed even if you actually aren't actually complaining about MD-removal, rather just saying you want to play an older version :D .

OK, I now understand why all the trolling. :) I stopped playing Crawl a couple of weeks before removal took place, so missed all the fun.
I simply pointed out why a later version won't suffice.


Trolling or not aside, I would like to thank you for answering. I do hope you win.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 23:47
by pratamawirya
I tried running an MdFi too after uploading that version. And he died. Past the early game, it didn't feel so easy for some reason.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Sunday, 15th April 2012, 23:48
by Grimm
MDFi were a difficult class, especially if they went Oka.

New race: Alpine Short Human

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Monday, 16th April 2012, 08:07
by Confidence Interval
Grimm wrote:New race: Alpine Short Human

With beard. And funny accent. And drink problem.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Monday, 16th April 2012, 17:12
by Grimm
But never appeared in Tolkien.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Wednesday, 18th April 2012, 08:36
by Confidence Interval
I believe they are mentioned in the Apocrypha.

Re: Looking for older game version from oct 2011

PostPosted: Wednesday, 18th April 2012, 17:21
by Grimm
In 2 Maccabees I assume.