CiP -- VpEn (pre-Temple) -- more general advice welcome too

Monday, 18th March 2013, 23:51 by prozacelf

Hi all,

Long time/first time...I've been playing DCSS for about 5 months off and on, and have become pretty attached to VpEns lately. I enjoy the HP advantage they have over SpEn and aside from the -3 conj, I really like their spell aptitudes. Generally speaking I can make it to Lair and/or Mines pretty consistently, but have not successfully cleared either yet. Although I know I should start playing Webtiles (or another online method) and watch other (much better) people play, I wind up using my 0.11 offline version of tiles most of the time. I'm including a dump of a CiP; I know this is a very early-game character, but I've found a couple of decent randarts and some quality spellbooks, so I would like some advice on how to prioritize my skills, as well as the advisability of using this nice randart flail at the expense of my stabbing abilities. This character is pretty representative of how I typically prioritize skills for a VpEn, although I've put a little more into throwing than I otherwise would since I found an early blowgun. I think I tend to spread out my skills too thinly, but I'll let the experts comment on that. I intend to join Kiku once I find her altar, but suggestions there would be welcome too. Thanks.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0 (tiles) character file. Alistair the Vexing (Vampire Enchanter) Turns: 4926, Time: 00:34:37 HP 43/45 (46) AC 3 Str 11 XL: 7 Next: 26% MP 12/15 EV 13 Int 22 God: Gold 147 SH 0 Dex 14 Spells: 4 memorised, 4 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : + M - flail of Qeebb {flame, +Inv rElec Int+4} Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . H - +0 robe of Weirdness {Str+3} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : + (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . h - +0 helmet Res.Elec. : + Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . E - amulet of conservation Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . (no ring) Ctrl.Flight: . (no ring) @: regenerating quickly, sage [Unarmed Combat, Spellcasting], slightly resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy A: bottle blood, fangs 3, talons 1, see invisible, unbreathing a: Bottle Blood, Evoke Invisibility You are on level 5 of the Dungeon. You are full. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 6 of its levels. You have collected 141 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +1,+2 dagger {=f} e - an uncursed orcish dagger f - an uncursed bow of frost m - an uncursed elven short sword n - a +0,-3 dagger o - an uncursed short sword {was cursed} q - an uncursed short sword t - an uncursed blowgun y - an uncursed dagger z - an uncursed glowing whip {was cursed} I - an uncursed scythe of dragon slaying L - a long sword M - the flail of Qeebb (weapon) {flame, +Inv rElec Int+4} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It affects your intelligence (+4). It insulates you from electricity. It lets you turn invisible. Missiles d - 57 darts r - 15 arrows u - 29 stones A - 39 poisoned needles C - 2 javelins (quivered) Armour b - a +1 robe h - a +0 helmet (worn) j - a +1 leather armour H - the +0 robe of Weirdness (worn) {Str+3} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) It affects your strength (+3). Magical devices G - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 2} Scrolls i - a scroll of random uselessness k - a scroll of curse jewellery l - 3 scrolls of fog p - 3 scrolls of magic mapping s - 2 scrolls of teleportation w - a scroll of remove curse B - a scroll of identify Jewellery E - an amulet of conservation (around neck) Potions v - a potion of curing D - a potion of brilliance Books c - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level *Corona Hexes 1 *Sure Blade Hexes/Charms 2 *Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 *Confuse Hexes 3 Enslavement Hexes 4 Invisibility Hexes 6 g - a book of Necromancy Spells Type Level Pain Necromancy 1 Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1 Lethal Infusion Charms/Necromancy 2 Vampiric Draining Necromancy 3 Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 Animate Dead Necromancy 4 Control Undead Necromancy 4 x - a book of Envenomations Spells Type Level Spider Form Transmutation/Poison 3 Poison Weapon Charms/Poison 3 Summon Scorpions Summoning/Poison 4 Olgreb's Toxic Radiance Poison 4 Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6 K - a book of Clouds Spells Type Level Evaporate Fire/Transmutation 2 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6 Freezing Cloud Conjuration/Ice/Air 6 Ring of Flames Charms/Fire 7 Miscellaneous F - a plain deck of wonders {drawn: 5} Skills: + Level 1.9 Short Blades + Level 1.3 Throwing + Level 3.7 Dodging + Level 4.3 Stealth + Level 3.5 Stabbing + Level 0.2 Traps & Doors + Level 1.4 Unarmed Combat + Level 3.1 Spellcasting + Level 6.7 Hexes + Level 2.1 Charms + Level 1.1 Ice Magic + Level 0.6 Evocations You have 4 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex #####... 1% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ####... 4% 2 ##..... c - Sure Blade Hex/Chrm ####...... 3% 2 ##..... d - Confuse Hex #####.... 1% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (6/27) Temple: D:4-7 Orc: D:6-11 Altars: Ashenzari Nemelex Xobeh Annotations D:3 Grinder Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. You can bottle blood from corpses. You have razor-sharp teeth.* You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You can survive without breathing.* You have sharp toenails.* Message History You finish putting on the +0 robe of Weirdness {Str+3}. You feel stronger. You drop a +0 robe. As you read the scroll labeled VIDGHO XEALEAZA, it crumbles to dust. The scroll reassembles itself in your hands! It is a scroll of random uselessness. It sticks to your hand! z - a cursed glowing whip (weapon) You stop training Short Blades. As you read the scroll of remove curse, it crumbles to dust. You feel as if something is helping you. You resume training Short Blades. You feel a sudden desire to slay dragons! I - an uncursed scythe of dragon slaying (weapon) You feel clever. You become transparent for a moment. It bursts into flame! M - the flail of Qeebb (weapon) {flame, +Inv rElec Int+4} Char dumped to 'morgue/Alistair.txt'. Okay, then. Char dumped to 'morgue/Alistair.txt'. ..... ..... ...... ...... ...... ....... # ........ #.. ......... ##.... .......... ##...... ........... ##.................... ##..................... ##@..................... ##.[..................... #........................ #........................ #.......................# #......................## #.......................# #........................ #........................ .....................#.. ....................###. .....................#.. ........................ There are no monsters in sight! Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Alistair, the Vampire Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 4/4 314 | D:2 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/19 MP: 2/5 318 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 679 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 1157 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 8/24 MP: 1/6 1853 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 26/30 MP: 3/8 1860 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Sure Blade 2333 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 2742 | D:3 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 2747 | D:3 | Saw a vision of the Swamp and the Snake Pit. 2747 | D:3 | Noticed an alligator 2747 | D:3 | Noticed a water moccasin 2747 | D:3 | Noticed a black mamba 2747 | D:3 | Noticed a water moccasin 2747 | D:3 | Noticed a water moccasin 2748 | D:3 | Noticed a water moccasin 2748 | D:3 | Noticed a water moccasin 2749 | D:3 | Noticed a raven 2750 | D:3 | Noticed a water moccasin 2750 | D:3 | Noticed a swamp drake 3045 | D:3 | Noticed Grinder 3208 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3208 | D:5 | Noticed a centaur 3524 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You have sharp toenails. [potion of mutation] 3528 | D:4 | Killed a centaur 3528 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 3528 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 19/34 MP: 0/10 3694 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3701 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3701 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 29/40 MP: 7/12 3716 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 3806 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 3904 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 4534 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 4570 | D:5 | Got a crude robe 4583 | D:5 | Identified the +0 robe of Weirdness (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) 4628 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 4660 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 4660 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 13/45 MP: 1/15 4827 | D:5 | Noticed an ice beast 4866 | D:5 | Killed an ice beast 4866 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat 4904 | D:5 | Got a bloodstained flail 4925 | D:5 | Identified the flail of Qeebb {flame, +Inv rElec Int+4} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)

Tuesday, 19th March 2013, 00:56 by CommanderC

Good combo. The -3 to Conj. doesn't matter.

Are you using automatic training? That's a big mistake. You should disable all your skills except one. Right now, you should be training Stabbing, so you can kill sleeping monsters in a single hit. ~7 levels in Stabbing is good.

Your hunger status should be lower. Bat form is very important.

prozacelf wrote: but I've found a couple of decent randarts

That robe is garbage. Try all the glowing/runed ones. The flail can be useful for a while. Evoke it, get close to the victim, and then switch to a dagger.

prozacelf wrote:This character is pretty representative of how I typically prioritize skills for a VpEn

Then, you are doing it very poorly. At the begining of the game, you should train only Hexes and Stabbing (and little bit of Spellcasting). There are many different ways of playing those first levels. Try to experiment a bit.

prozacelf wrote:I intend to join Kiku once I find her altar

Excellent choice. Very powerful god, but somewhat boring after you have won a few games with her. Ashenzari never gets boring.

Tuesday, 19th March 2013, 01:30 by prozacelf

Thanks. I do tend to auto-train skills, and focus the ones that I know are important for my character. I have completely disabled Fighting and Armour for this character, although I generally also disable Throwing and all weapon skills except for Short Blades. Does Stabbing basically eliminate the need for Short Blades, or is the stab damage just far more important than weapon delay in the early game? Anyway, I will stick to one or two skills at a time from here on out.

I knew the robe was ultimately going to be crap--is the +1 AC from my generic robe going to serve me better than the +3 str out of the randart now?

I've only ever used Ash a couple of times. Since I'm more familiar with Kiku, it seemed like it might be the better choice for my relative inexperience.

EDIT: It appears that my invisibility ends when I swap away from the flail, which seems to somewhat limit its usefulness. Still might be situationally handy for the rElec though.

Tuesday, 19th March 2013, 04:15 by battaile

prozacelf wrote:Does Stabbing basically eliminate the need for Short Blades, or is the stab damage just far more important than weapon delay in the early game?

You want your stabbing high enough so that you can reliably get the stabbing bonus and get 1-shot kills, so that the delay doesn't matter. (this isn't to say that you won't ever train short blades)

I knew the robe was ultimately going to be crap--is the +1 AC from my generic robe going to serve me better than the +3 str out of the randart now?

Yeah, one ac when you're sitting at 3ac will help. 3 str does effectively nothing for your guy.

EDIT: It appears that my invisibility ends when I swap away from the flail, which seems to somewhat limit its usefulness.

That's why he was saying to get next to the monster then switch. You want the stealth bonus that invis gives you for the approach.

Tuesday, 19th March 2013, 06:49 by prozacelf

EDIT: It appears that my invisibility ends when I swap away from the flail, which seems to somewhat limit its usefulness.

That's why he was saying to get next to the monster then switch. You want the stealth bonus that invis gives you for the approach.

I did figure that out eventually. Is there a possibility to get a miscast from evoking an item? I learned the invisibility spell shortly after that dump but it still had about a 25% failure rate and my first casting caused me to levitate. Obviously not a crippling miscast effect, but it makes me think it might be better to stick with using the flail to do it until I get the fail rate lower if I can't miscast.

Tuesday, 19th March 2013, 07:06 by Psieye

Yeah, you need to discover the joy of (proper) invis-stabs. A VpEn has an extremely easy time getting to Invis with that Hexes aptitude. Keep training Hexes until the failure rate isn't yellow. Oh and no, there are no evoke miscasts.

For me, a VpEn earlygame revolves around "do I have invis online yet?" - if no, then I just ignore any inconvenient fight (by stealth or bat dash). Then if I want, I backtrack and invis-stab everyone just for the sake of it. That's how much of a game-changer getting your final spell in your starting book is.

Tuesday, 19th March 2013, 07:18 by Magipi

Your Hexes need only a tiny little bit of training, and your own Invisibility will become very reliable, so you don't need that flail I guess. Train only Stabbing and Hexes now, that is a very good advice. On the skills screen, you can switch to manual mode by pressing /, and then turn off everything except Stabbing and Hexes.

You do not need more than 10-12 Hexes, so after that you can turn that off, and train the other key skills: Stabbing, Stealth and Dodging. These skills, coupled with Invis, will kill 95% of all monsters down to the entrance of the Orb Chamber. It only remains to figure out what to do with the remaining 5%.

Tuesday, 19th March 2013, 20:16 by prozacelf

Thanks for the advice everyone. That character YASD-ed at the entrance to Lair on D:10, thanks to a couple of war dogs I thought I had left in an out of the way spot after enslaving them. I should have survived, but I panicked instead of calmly reviewing my options. But I feel like I learned quite a bit about how to better set up a VpEn. My next character happened to run into two Rings of Regeneration by D:3, so I also got valuable experience on how to really abuse a Vp's food clock, but falling down a shaft sent that one to an early grave.

Wednesday, 20th March 2013, 07:17 by prozacelf

Well, I can unquestionably say that applying the lessons I've learned here and from my prior two characters have been paying off. I never realized how much focusing just on Hexes and Stabbing early on would pay off. Also I've learned to remain near a bloodless state once I can bottle blood and use bat form liberally. Invisibility has also paid off big time once I learned to manage my contamination/glow properly (at the low cost of one beneficial mutation so far. Here's a dump of the new guy if anyone cares to see.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0 (tiles) character file. Sevatar the Unseen (Vampire Enchanter) Turns: 33148, Time: 04:06:04 HP 79/79 (85) AC 16 Str 9 XL: 14 Next: 0% MP 28/30 EV 18 Int 23 (24) God: Kikubaaqudgha [******] Gold 1298 SH 0 Dex 14 Spells: 11 memorised, 0 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + d - dagger (drain) {Sonja} Res.Cold : + + . Warding : . C - +3 leather armour {MR} Life Prot.: + + + Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (no helmet) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . Q - +2 cloak {MR} Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . w - +2 pair of gauntlets Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . b - +2 pair of boots {rF+} Res.Rott. : + Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . v - ring of protection from magic Ctrl.Flight: . p - +5 ring of intelligence @: non-regenerating, slightly contaminated, glowing, extraordinarily resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy A: bottle blood, fangs 3, see invisible, unbreathing, AC +1 a: Bat Form, Bottle Blood, Receive Corpses, Torment, Renounce Religion You are on level 11 of the Dungeon. You worship Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha is exalted by your worship. You are bloodless. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 21 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano. You have collected 1344 gold pieces. You have spent 66 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons d - an uncursed dagger of draining (weapon) {Sonja} l - an uncursed glowing blowgun X - a +1,+1 sabre of draining Missiles c - 5 exploding darts e - 31 poisoned needles m - 5 steel darts n - 2 needles of confusion u - 21 darts of flame (quivered) B - 6 curare-tipped needles Armour b - a +2 pair of boots of fire resistance (worn) w - a +2 pair of gauntlets (worn) C - a +3 leather armour of magic resistance (worn) F - a +1 troll leather armour Q - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn) Magical devices f - a wand of fireball (3) i - a wand of frost (11) j - a wand of fireball y - a wand of fire (1) G - a wand of lightning (7) I - a wand of disintegration (14) Scrolls g - 5 scrolls of remove curse h - 2 scrolls of fog x - a scroll of amnesia K - 2 scrolls of magic mapping P - 4 scrolls of teleportation Jewellery p - a +5 ring of intelligence (left hand) v - a ring of protection from magic (right hand) L - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities W - an uncursed ring of protection from fire Potions a - 5 potions of blood k - 3 potions of curing s - 3 potions of might t - 2 potions of restore abilities z - 4 potions of agility A - a potion of resistance E - a potion of magic H - 2 potions of speed U - a potion of heal wounds Books o - Kikubaaqudgha's Tome of Darkness {god gift} (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 8 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level Animate Dead Necromancy 4 Excruciating Wounds Charms/Necromancy 5 *Dispel Undead Necromancy 5 Bolt of Draining Conjuration/Necromancy 6 Death Channel Necromancy 6 q - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level *Corona Hexes 1 *Sure Blade Hexes/Charms 2 *Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 *Confuse Hexes 3 *Enslavement Hexes 4 *Invisibility Hexes 6 r - Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Evil {god gift} (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level *Pain Necromancy 1 Corpse Rot Necromancy 2 Sublimation of Blood Necromancy 2 Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 *Control Undead Necromancy 4 D - a book of Stalking Spells Type Level *Fulsome Distillation Transmutation/Necromancy 1 *Evaporate Fire/Transmutation 2 Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3 Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 Dig Transmutation/Earth 4 Rods N - a +6 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Skills: + Level 6.9 Short Blades - Level 1.4 Throwing + Level 11.0 Dodging * Level 18.0 Stealth * Level 14.1 Stabbing + Level 9.0 Spellcasting + Level 13.9 Hexes - Level 4.2 Charms + Level 9.3 Necromancy - Level 1.4 Ice Magic + Level 1.0 Evocations You cannot memorise any spells. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex #######. 1% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ######. 1% 2 None c - Sure Blade Hex/Chrm #######... 1% 2 None d - Confuse Hex #######.. 1% 3 None e - Enslavement Hex #######.. 1% 4 ##..... f - Invisibility Hex #######.. 4% 6 ######. o - Evaporate Fire/Trmt ###.... 14% 2 None p - Fulsome Distillation Trmt/Necr N/A 1% 1 None q - Pain Necr ##### 1% 1 None r - Dispel Undead Necr #######.. 4% 5 ####... w - Control Undead Necr #######... 1% 4 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc (0/4) D:6 Lair (8/8) D:11 Swamp (0/5) Lair:6 Spider (0/5) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:6: * Annotations D:10 2 exclusions Lair:2 stash Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You do not heal naturally. You can bottle blood from corpses. You have razor-sharp teeth.* You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You can survive without breathing.* You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1).* Message History You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising. You continue memorising. You flicker back into view. You finish memorising. Adjust (i)tems, (s)pells, or (a)bilities? Adjust which spell? g - Fulsome Distillation Adjust to which letter? p - Fulsome Distillation Casting: Invisibility Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Okay, then. Adjust (i)tems, (s)pells, or (a)bilities? Adjust which spell? h - Evaporate Adjust to which letter? o - Evaporate Welcome back, Sevatar the Vampire Enchanter. Kikubaaqudgha says: Spread unending torment and darkness! 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Vanquished Creatures An azure jelly (Lair:6) A minotaur (Lab) 8 hydras The ghost of Ownzall the Chucker, a powerful HuCK of Xom (Lair:3) An alligator (Lair:6) 14 death yaks A centaur warrior (D:9) The ghost of Ownzall the Firebug, an experienced DsFE of Vehumet (Lair:1) An unseen horror (D:9) Joseph (D:11) 2 catoblepae (Lair:8) A minotaur zombie (Lab) A black mamba (Lair:5) Maurice (D:11) 6 elephants (Lair:8) 2 feature mimics An elephant slug (Lair:3) A queen ant (Lair:6) 6 spiny frogs 2 komodo dragons A troll (D:9) An ugly thing (D:9) Sonja (D:11) 4 wandering mushrooms (D:9) 2 giant leeches (Lair:6) A basilisk (Lair:7) 32 yaks 3 blink frogs (Lair:6) A shark (Lair:6) A toenail golem (Volcano) A hungry ghost (D:11) A wyvern (Lair:7) A molten gargoyle (Volcano) Grum (D:11) A redback (Lair:3) 5 hippogriffs 3 vampire mosquitoes (D:11) 3 fire drakes 2 fire elementals (Volcano) A necrophage (D:11) 3 swamp worms (Lair:6) 7 war dogs 5 fire vortices (Volcano) 5 soldier ants (Lair:6) A yaktaur skeleton (D:9) A trapdoor spider (D:11) 4 ogres 3 ice beasts 3 phantoms 9 centaurs 5 orc warriors 8 crocodiles 2 boring beetles 4 water moccasins 14 giant frogs 8 giant slugs A soldier ant zombie (D:10) 2 gnoll sergeants (D:5) 5 agate snails An eye of draining (D:11) 2 oklob saplings (D:9) A jellyfish (Lair:6) A big kobold zombie (D:8) 3 goliath beetles A shadow (D:7) 5 orc priests 5 crimson imps 11 hounds A quasit (D:6) 2 gnoll shamans A scorpion (D:8) A hound skeleton (D:6) 13 worker ants 3 iguanas 20 orc wizards 6 porcupines 11 sheep 2 jellies 2 mummies 19 adders 26 gnolls 51 green rats An adder zombie (D:8) A giant centipede zombie (D:11) 2 giant centipedes A giant mite (D:6) An iguana zombie (D:9) An adder skeleton (D:8) 6 worms A bat skeleton (D:5) 2 giant eyeballs 6 giant geckos 67 orcs 11 giant cockroaches 8 goblins 21 hobgoblins 31 jackals An ooze (D:2) 5 quokkas 2 ball pythons 29 bats 5 giant newts A giant spore (D:11) 14 kobolds An orc skeleton (D:8) 28 rats A ballistomycete (D:11) A fungus (Lair:1) 4 plants 6 toadstools 655 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) 3 yaks (Lair:7) 2 hounds An orc (D:11) 6 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A fire vortex (Volcano) A crocodile (D:11) A porcupine (Lair:7) 5 orcs A hobgoblin (D:8) 7 fungi 2 plants 64 toadstools 82 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 743 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Sevatar, the Vampire Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 4/4 360 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 5/5 364 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 377 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 1028 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 6/6 1293 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 1709 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/30 MP: 8/8 1713 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Sure Blade 2824 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 2832 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 2832 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 2832 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 12/35 MP: 10/10 4105 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/41 MP: 9/12 4660 | D:3 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 4973 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5113 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 5250 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 5807 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Hexes 5819 | D:6 | Found Otraint's Assorted Antiques. 5991 | D:6 | Bought a scroll of identify for 44 gold pieces 5991 | D:6 | Bought a scroll labeled ZIOCYSM CRUI for 22 gold pieces 6118 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6127 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 46/46 MP: 14/14 6223 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6304 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 6494 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 6540 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Hexes 7091 | D:5 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's first power 7091 | D:5 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 7097 | D:5 | Got a torn book {god gift} 7158 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Hexes 7158 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 47/52 MP: 18/18 7159 | D:5 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Evil {god gift} (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Dungeon) 7164 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 7918 | D:7 | Got a conspicuous book 7931 | D:7 | Identified Khufu's Volume of Unholy Rites (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 8635 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 8833 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 8989 | D:6 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's second power 9302 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 10459 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 57/57 MP: 5/20 10602 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Hexes 11635 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 12103 | D:8 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 12952 | D:8 | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility 13134 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 13134 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 13278 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Hexes 13333 | D:8 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1). [mutagenic glow] 13341 | D:8 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 13344 | D:8 | Got an engraved book {god gift} 13526 | D:8 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Tome of Darkness {god gift} (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 8 of the Dungeon) 14241 | D:9 | Noticed a green ugly thing 14241 | D:9 | Noticed a centaur warrior 14241 | D:9 | Noticed an unseen horror 14868 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 46/63 MP: 18/22 15059 | D:9 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 15091 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Pain 15095 | D:9 | Noticed a wandering mushroom 15096 | D:9 | Noticed a wandering mushroom 15496 | D:9 | Killed a wandering mushroom 15509 | D:9 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 15509 | D:9 | Noticed a wandering mushroom 15510 | D:9 | Noticed a wandering mushroom 15602 | D:9 | Killed a wandering mushroom 15603 | D:9 | Killed a wandering mushroom 15848 | D:9 | Killed a wandering mushroom 16016 | D:9 | Killed an unseen horror 16022 | D:9 | Killed a centaur warrior 16033 | D:9 | Killed a white ugly thing 16158 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 16446 | D:10 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's third power 16538 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 16625 | D:10 | Noticed an iron golem 17121 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 17144 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 17145 | D:11 | Noticed Maurice 17209 | D:11 | Noticed Grum 17216 | D:11 | Killed Grum 17230 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 17487 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 46/66 MP: 25/25 17558 | D:11 | Reached skill level 10 in Stabbing 17939 | D:11 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 18853 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 18965 | D:11 | Noticed Sonja 18977 | D:11 | Killed Sonja 19016 | D:11 | Killed Maurice 19520 | D:11 | Learned a level 4 spell: Control Undead 19521 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 19728 | Lair:1 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 19731 | Lair:1 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's fourth power 19764 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 22345 | Lab | Noticed a minotaur 22348 | Lab | Killed a minotaur 22352 | Lab | Got a graven book 22361 | Lab | Identified Sism's Collected Works on Doomed Moulding (You found it in a labyrinth) 22388 | Lab | Identified a +1 rod of venom (9/9) (You found it in a labyrinth) 22389 | Lab | Identified a +6 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) 22447 | Lair:1 | Noticed Ownzall's ghost (experienced DsFE) 22455 | Lair:1 | Killed Ownzall's ghost 23066 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth 23896 | Lair:2 | Found a dark tunnel. 23929 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 24017 | Volcano | Reached XP level 12. HP: 40/72 MP: 20/27 25233 | Lair:3 | Noticed Ownzall's ghost (powerful HuCK) 25284 | Lair:3 | Killed Ownzall's ghost 25311 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth 25651 | Lair:3 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 25947 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 25951 | Lair:3 | the staircase to the Shoals was a mimic. 26406 | Lair:3 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 26416 | Lair:3 | Killed a four-headed hydra 27758 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth 27820 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 27820 | Lair:6 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 27820 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 27820 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 27820 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 27820 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 27820 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 27821 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 27822 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 28112 | Lair:7 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 28119 | Lair:7 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 28642 | Lair:7 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 28781 | Lair:6 | Got a crude great sword 28883 | Lair:2 | Identified the great sword "Toysko" {slay orc, Int+1} (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts) 29061 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 29075 | Lair:5 | Killed a death yak 29481 | Lair:5 | Killed a death yak 29504 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 29504 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth 29520 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 29520 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 29557 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 29567 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 77/77 MP: 28/29 29602 | Lair:6 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 29617 | Lair:6 | Killed a five-headed hydra 29643 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 29729 | Lair:6 | Noticed an azure jelly 29778 | Lair:6 | Killed an azure jelly 30377 | Lair:7 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 30396 | Lair:7 | Killed a five-headed hydra 30478 | Lair:7 | Learned a level 5 spell: Dispel Undead 30709 | Lair:7 | Killed a four-headed hydra 30709 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 17 in Stealth 31131 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 32652 | D:11 | Noticed Joseph 32654 | D:11 | Killed Joseph 33087 | D:11 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 33087 | D:11 | Reached skill level 18 in Stealth 33087 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 33142 | D:11 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 79/79 MP: 27/30 33145 | D:11 | Learned a level 1 spell: Fulsome Distillation 33148 | D:11 | Learned a level 2 spell: Evaporate

I've also got a crystal ball of energy and a rod of venom in my stash, hence my getting started on Evoc training.

Thanks again for the help.

Wednesday, 20th March 2013, 07:58 by Psieye

It is too early for CBoE and a hexer really doesn't need it anyway (unless spamming Tukima). The rod of venom is worth some Evo though.

Wednesday, 20th March 2013, 13:09 by mrbobbyg

You got lucky on that mutation. Glow is no joke, and can ruin a character if it gets out of hand. Try to rest up between invis stab sessions until you don't have any contamination.

Wednesday, 20th March 2013, 20:38 by prozacelf

YASD for that guy. Killed by my curiosity. For some reason I just *had* to check out some randart chainmail (-1 chainmail of the untouchables {+3 Dex}) that I was never even going to consider wearing, and got cornered in my stash by a spiny frog before I could take it off. Needless to say, I couldn't cast worth a damn in it and I couldn't out run the frog in bat form. So, lesson learned. On the plus side, his score was more than 3 times higher than my previous high score.

Wednesday, 20th March 2013, 20:43 by BlackSheep

No scrolls of blinking or teleportation?

Wednesday, 20th March 2013, 20:49 by Psieye

Scroll of Fear, Wand of Confuse/Enslave/Paralysis/Polymorph would also have been options.

Thursday, 21st March 2013, 00:25 by prozacelf

Didn't have any scrolls of blinking. I foolishly brought them into a Volcano and lost them all. I had several appropriate wands in my stash, but I turned into a bat and flew for the stairs. I was actually able to get to the stairs with space between me and him, but I couldn't use them because my bat form was overloaded.....thanks to the randart chainmail! Anyway, I realized I was in a real bind and had left all of my best solutions to the problem sitting back in the stash, so I was basically just praying an EH would work. The worst part is that it was so utterly avoidable. There was no good reason for me to be putting on chainmail of any sort. Live and learn.

Thursday, 21st March 2013, 07:33 by Sandman25

prozacelf wrote:I was actually able to get to the stairs with space between me and him

It does not always help to have space between character and opponent. One of my swiftnessed TeAE (0.8 aut per move) died to a Hydra(1.0 aut per move) while using upstairs despite there was space between them when TeAE went upstairs.

Thursday, 21st March 2013, 07:39 by prozacelf

It was irrelevant since I had to waste time changing out of bat form to climb the stairs anyway. At that point it was just "throw the kitchen sink at it and hope it works."

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