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MarvinPA wrote:can this thread be gone yet

the +9 one is way better except possibly in zot, geh:7, and cerebov's level

Why ask for advice if you're just going to do the opposite of what you're told?

siprus wrote:Mephitic Cloud is a Level 3 Air/Poison/Conjuration spell. I'm not sure why you would rather want to cast level 5 Smoke screen.

because it does something completely different and also much, much more useful, thats why you would want to cast it

mind you, i still dont like the idea because it would actually be ridiculously overpowered. pale draconian is the best colour solely because it has this as its breath weapon, and cloak of the thief is the best artefact in the game solely because it has a similar ability that is significantly weaker. even if this spell were level 8, it would probably be the second best spell in the game that is above level 6, and thats only because the first best level >6 spell in the game makes you literally invincible.

unlike djinn, mummies arent completely terrible design-wise in every regard

Siegurt wrote:
delarado wrote:
dirtywick wrote:And with no rPois.

If the constriction doesn't get you the poison will.

Jewellery
c - an uncursed ring of see invisible
d - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
i - an uncursed amulet of clarity
j - a ring of poison resistance (right hand)

Whats the deal with them stopping me climbing the stairs, will that happen every turn or do I have a chance to actually get up the stairs sometimes?

You have the same chance of climbing the stairs as you would have of moving away from them, that being:
Code:
(4+n)d(8+str/4) >= 5d(8+HD/4)

where "n" is the number of attempts you've made to escape (Including this one), and HD is the hit dice of the creature constricting you.

However, at normal speed you take 16 aut to actually leave the level, and you only get constriction immunity for 10 aut after breaking constriction. This means that if you break constriction by ascending stairs...you will almost certainly just get constricted again before you actually make it up the stairs, so not only will you waste a turn, the value of "n" will go down to 0 again and make it harder to escape...

distortion does more damage you know...

final (after enchantment, slaying, stabbing, AC...) unless the brand is speed

raukolith wrote:
zxc23 wrote:Thanks for the replies. I am tempted to keep using the ring mail and use my scrolls on my other pieces, but they don't even have egos. I'll carry on and see if I can score some upgrades.

uh, you should definitely be using the heaviest plate you can find. ring mail only provides 24% GDR, whereas normal plate is 39%, up to 48% with crystal plate. whatever the +x modifier is is going to be pretty much worthless next to 15% extra flat damage reduction.

This is some of the worst advice I've ever seen on this forum, and that's saying something. First of all, GDR only works on melee attacks, which tend to be the least dangerous kind of attacks. Second, the amount of damage it takes off is capped at AC/2, so the "+x modifier" is needed for it to work at all.

When choosing armour I almost ignore GDR. It means very little.

FalconNL wrote:
rchandra wrote:a +0 GDA is quite literally one of the worst armours in the game, especially since you have elemental resistances anyway. the +3 plate of MR from your first post is better even if it hasn't been enchanted further.

Really? From what I read GDA is generally the thing heavy-armor users wear.

Well, what you read was extremely, staggeringly wrong.

I'd rather str give AC. Max HP fluctuating as much as str does would be very annoying.

Stabbing is already strongly based on dexterity.

Vaults still place mechanical traps, and you can still be killed while running away by a randomly generated shaft/teleport/Zot trap.

1010011010 wrote:
minmay wrote:Removing stabbing skill was almost a strict nerf to stabbers, they need twice as much experience to get the same effective stabbing skill.

Or rather, they now train 2 skills instead of 3. I can't think of any builds that train stabbing but not stealth and respective weapon.

I can: every character that stabs things. Before the change, enchanters started every game by training Stabbing exclusively - the returns provided by stealth and short blades were absolutely pathetic by comparison. Now, to get the same effect, they have to train two skills, neither of which does much else at that point in the game. Certainly a lot of characters get all three skills eventually, but at a time in the game where it is enormously less important (70% of deaths occur before d:5).
Then again since you seem to think you're better than fucking elliptic I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time.

Amnesiac wrote:I see experienced players getting bored, but thats their fault. You can always make a game more thrilling by taking chances instead of a calculated sure way. Of curse you'll get bored, when you know what's dangerous and avoid it entirely. You need to challenge those uniques that have a high chance to kill you(but usually not unreasonably high, it's just a chance) you need to take a step into the vault on elf:3 early on or something(..or not, because it'll probably kill you), things like that. Dying this way is frustrating but it's thrilling and keeps me not bored and wanting to play more. And this way games usually end early

I think that if good players have to play badly in order to enjoy the game, there is something wrong with the game.

Removing stabbing skill was almost a strict nerf to stabbers, they need twice as much experience to get the same effective stabbing skill.

What do "melee" and "magic" mean to you? Nearly all my characters that aren't with Trog both hit things in melee and cast spells.

tasonir wrote:But a mob gaining a full extra turn every 10 turns is nearly impossible.

Good thing that's not what Siegurt said.

TeshiAlair wrote:Right, but feels very gameplay balance > design, and that's a little weird to me.

Design that isn't balanced is bad design.

There's no such thing as a "melee class" in Crawl but you probably wanted berserker.

Steel also used to be +50% damage

rebthor wrote:I think you meant dark chocolate.

Code:: e - the dark chocolate {rCorr *Tele Hunger- rF--- rC--- HP-10 MP-10 EV-3 Str-3 Dex-3 Int-3 Acc-60 Dam-60 Stlth--}

I don't think I did

axe of woe + maybe the milk chocolate + whatever

Sandman25 wrote:PS.
Don't tell new players they should not read wiki. Wiki can be extremely useful as this game proves.

If the strongest evidence you have for the wiki being extremely useful is a losing game...the wiki might not be extremely useful.

vampiric weapons are probably better for vampires than they are for any other species except possibly DD

cBlink here would be awful even if he had the MP, it only has a 1/3 chance of being even semicontrolled if you have the orb.

rosstin wrote:
minmay wrote:warpers don't suffer in the early game, they have darts, a really good book, and a scroll of blinking

the background is honestly overpowered

It's been awhile since I played a Warper (Mountain Dwarves were still a thing) so maybe they've improved.

they've actually been nerfed since then (no more control teleport)

HOBe or MiBe. Note that while melee combat is easily the most tactically interesting part of Crawl, it is also the hardest to learn.

The wand already depends on evocations. It just doesn't matter because haste duration is long enough even with terrible spell power.

Did you find Necromutation in a randart book? Because if not, you had the opportunity to learn what are probably the two best necromancy spells in the game (Death's Door and Borgnjor's Revivification), and certainly the best level 7+ spells in the game, and instead you chose to learn what is the worst necromancy spell in the game (and possibly the worst spell in the game, period).

warpers don't suffer in the early game, they have darts, a really good book, and a scroll of blinking

the background is honestly overpowered

http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php? ... +bad+ideas

Clinging was a version of flight with really complicated rules. It was utterly pointless and I'm glad to see it gone.

I'm not really seeing the problem here? Of course summons are harmless if you leave, that's the point of them. You can certainly say monster summons are silly since they are so easy to avoid, and should be removed, but what does using stairs have to do with it?

Proposal: remove school opposition penalties. It's like if weapon crosstraining was a penalty instead of a bonus, it removes decisions and it doesn't even make sense.

mumra wrote:
crate wrote:unless you got one of the billion vaults that populate crawl now
those generate with lots of monsters

Ok but what does that have to do with the comment I was replying to?

everything, because it's about how many monsters are respawns, just like your reply

rchandra wrote:
njvack wrote:At least you don't need to play the potion ID minigame or worry about ice attacks breaking your speed potions.

potion trove fees must be super annoying as a mummy.

just buy the potion in a shop or search for "quaffed by monster"

chaos and plutonium sword already polymorph things

all axes can generate with pain although it is quite rare; very roughly as rare as holy wrath is
(exception: hand axes can't generate with holy wrath for some reason, but have the same chance of ending up with pain as other axes do)
note that this only applies to "normal" floor generation, pretty much everything else (monster equipment etc) screws with brands

Utis wrote:There can be player ghosts in a labyrinth. And in a labyrinth you effectively can not retreat, if it is too strong.

last time i played crawl, labyrinths allowed you to move, did that change in trunk

Psieye wrote:Hmm, wasn't Fedhas also one of those gods who weren't around in 0.6?

no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_rSzkAWckY

Psieye wrote:Incidentally, troves give 16 items and the game tries (i.e. will screw up) to give you a category you are lacking in.

no it doesn't where did you even get the idea that it does
the only thing that influences which trove you get is your species (felids don't get armour/weapon/wand/unrand/dig troves, octopodes don't get armour troves, mummies don't get potion troves)
also they only sometimes give 16 items, thats like telling someone that d:1 has 5 rats on it (i.e. its wrong)

Well...Okawaru isn't a great melee god.

reaver wrote:How is Zot an "area with infinite spawns"?

unlike in D, monsters never stop generating in zot

Well the thing is, as multiple people have explained, it doesn't give you a slight edge, it gives you a negative edge. To borrow an analogy from the late ebarrett: it's like hitting your own dick with a hammer. The devteam doesn't need to nerf hitting your own dick with a hammer by adding a dick-avoiding apparatus to the hammer. It's already suboptimal, and blatantly obviously so at that.

mumra's suggestion would make ninjaing the orb the easiest it has been since before the haste nerf, so it's like you're also making the hammer give you free money every time you touch it.

divinations dont exist in 0.7...

I think it's better than cleave.

oh does that bug still exist where stairs leading out of a branch can count as unknown? thats dumb

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