Viewing Issue Simple Details Jump to Notes ] Wiki ] View Advanced ] Issue History ] Print ]
ID Category Severity Reproducibility Date Submitted Last Update
0002541 [DCSS] FR: Maps and Vaults minor N/A 2010-09-11 09:27 2011-05-11 04:39
Reporter MrMisterMonkey View Status public  
Assigned To Kate
Priority normal Resolution done  
Status closed   Product Branch 0.8 ancient branch
Summary 0002541: More orb chambers
Description These are probably a bit weirder than the others, and might benefit from some tiles for the translucent walls and statue. Below are my thoughts on what could go wrong with each of them, and suggestions for fixes.

orb_monky_within_orb might be too easy, in that the entrance is not very crowded, and the middle provides melee fighters with a nice few corners.

orb_monky_silent is, well, mostly silenced. The bubble containing the orb, however, is not, meaning a caster simply has to dash to it to regain spellcasting abilities, so I don't think it's too harsh. Such a large radius of silence might prove too advantageous to fighters, particularly in that it trivializes ancient liches. I don't really know how use of silence like this affects monsters waking up and such, so perhaps move some orb guardians to the orb bubble or remove a few and generate the rest awake. As for why I put the spectre behind stone, it's so it's harder to free it and tote it around, though I don't know exactly how practical that is. As a last note, it's probably desirable to distinguish between the upper and lower bubbles a bit more, since the spectre's side will always be away from the rest of hall_of_Zot, though I can't think of an attractive way to do that.

Finally, orb_monky_wrath_boxes is hard for everyone. The entrance is clear, so it's easy to get in, but the whole berserk orb guardians (remove a few?) near and at choke points deal is probably a bit much. This one is supposed to be able to flip freely with respect to hall_of_Zot, but I don't know exactly how well that works at the moment.
Additional Information
Tags No tags attached.
Attached Files ? file icon orbchambers.des [^] (1,939 bytes) 2010-09-11 09:27 [Show Content]
? file icon orb_monky_silent.des [^] (668 bytes) 2010-09-17 02:20 [Show Content]

- Relationships

-  Notes
(0008417)
evktalo (administrator)
2010-09-11 19:14

I just tested with crawl -script genlevel Zot:5, and the subvaults do get vertically flipped.

I like the look of these (didn't test though). The spectre and wrath maps might have too many guardians.

--Eino
(0008422)
dpeg (administrator)
2010-09-11 20:22

Please try to compare the difficulty of the new vaults with the original one. Running into the moth vault with its many guardians in sight is much worse!
(0008680)
MrMisterMonkey (reporter)
2010-09-17 02:31

I attached a revised version of the silent orb chamber, with the orb moved up into the center (apportable from the unsilenced bubble at the bottom), and less guardians. The silent spectre moved down a bit because otherwise the orb would be apportable from outside of the chamber, at one tile on either side.

Unless orb_monky_within_orb is too difficult, I now think it's unique in that it's easy to enter, but getting into the little space with the orb itself can be difficult, due to guardians clogging it up.

orb_monky_wrath_boxes should get the axe, or at least an overhaul from someone with knowledge of tricks to fix it. I tried removing enemies, but found the whole berserking guardians deal a bit luck-based, as guardians tended to move away from the box (and towards the player), and trying to make the player move near berserk guardians for a tiny bit, or restraining guardians in hopes that they would berserk the player, resulted in a bunch of clutter.
(0013018)
Kate (developer)
2011-05-09 18:35

Added orb_monky_within_orb, left the other two out though since they seem problematic.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-09-11 09:27 MrMisterMonkey New Issue
2010-09-11 09:27 MrMisterMonkey File Added: orbchambers.des
2010-09-11 19:14 evktalo Note Added: 0008417
2010-09-11 19:39 evktalo Status new => acknowledged
2010-09-11 20:22 dpeg Note Added: 0008422
2010-09-17 02:20 MrMisterMonkey File Added: orb_monky_silent.des
2010-09-17 02:31 MrMisterMonkey Note Added: 0008680
2011-04-11 10:45 Kate Issue Monitored: Kate
2011-05-09 18:35 Kate Note Added: 0013018
2011-05-09 18:35 Kate Status acknowledged => resolved
2011-05-09 18:35 Kate Fixed in Branch => 0.9 development branch
2011-05-09 18:35 Kate Resolution open => done
2011-05-09 18:35 Kate Assigned To => Kate
2011-05-09 18:36 Kate Issue End Monitor: Kate
2011-05-11 04:39 MrMisterMonkey Status resolved => closed


Mantis 1.1.8[^]
Copyright © 2000 - 2009 Mantis Group
Powered by Mantis Bugtracker