Comments on: Trunk updates, 26 June 2014

By: Sudarshan S

Sudarshan S — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:25:41 +0000

Can we please have the next development update? It’s nearly two weeks now!

By: reaverb

reaverb — Tue, 08 Jul 2014 01:44:25 +0000

Eating chunks off the ground was briefly removed from the game. This change, however, was reverted 2-3 days later. (so players can now eat chunks off the ground again.)

By: Nick

Nick — Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:16:25 +0000

Qazlal is something else, goodness gracious.

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 04 Jul 2014 02:03:28 +0000

Is it just me or does eating chunks off the ground no longer work?

By: Tristian

Tristian — Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:14:26 +0000

Loving most of the changes that have come about recently. But I have to agree with some of the previous comments on bringing back encumbrance/item weight. It doesn’t seem right that a Felid or Spriggan can now carry the same amount of stuff as an Ogre or Troll.
The encumbrance factor made you think a little more about what was important enough to lug along with you.

By: PleasingFungus

PleasingFungus — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:26:49 +0000

The version of trunk on the download page (0.15-a0-1668-g49c5cce) is from Jun. 23 – the Beogh changes are from a few days after that.

By: old_akakaraka

old_akakaraka — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:20:36 +0000

As a huge fan of Orc Jesus / Orcus Christus, I am thrilled to see changes in Beogh mechanics; however, some of the features described above don’t seem to be included in current trunk i just downloaded (crawl_tiles-0.15-a0-1668):
- And he’ll gift weapons, armour, shields, and ammo to orcs who lack them. => did not see that happen.
- And he’ll give some extra ammo to any orc that the player chooses to gift a ranged weapon to. => did not happen. I gave my orc knight an awesome randart crossbow, which he never used due to lack of ammo.
- And orcs won’t drop their melee weapons when the player gives them a ranged weapon, or vice versa. => when i gave my orc knight a crossbow (see above), he dropped his melee weapon and went unarmed in close combat.
- Godless hill orcs can now convert to Beogh with ‘p’ when orc priests are nearby, as an alternative to using the option from the abilities menu. => I still had to use the ‘a’/'Y’ mechanic
- Weapons and armour which aren’t visibly enchanted no longer have enchantments higher than +0. => picked up a lot of plain armor that has +1/+2 modifiers.
Maybe trunk is not up-to-date? Or is this just planned to be released in the 0.15 release in August?

By: warren

warren — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 19:30:42 +0000

I would not like to see item destruction reintroduced. It was a prime example of the type of annoying mechanic that is being eliminated. Reducing scroll/potion frequency to counteract elimination of item destruction makes sense. Please don’t turn down identify scroll frequency though, since ID scrolls now never ID more than 1 item.

By: somebody

somebody — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 19:20:06 +0000

Good news, everyone!

By: warren

warren — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 03:44:37 +0000

Absolutely. The combination of removing encumbrance AND item destruction means there is no disincentive to carrying huge stacks of scrolls and potions. This definitely dumbs down the game. Personally, I love the removal of item destruction, but encumbrance is necessary to maintain some balance. Encumbrance also encourages different play styles for different size races. It makes sense that an ogre could carry tons of stuff while an elf needs to be more selective.
One of the great things about Crawl is how different the play style needed to be in order to succeed with different classes/races. I would hate to see this become a game where every class boils down to blast and loot.

By: PleasingFungus

PleasingFungus — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 15:28:49 +0000

We’re going to be lowering consumable generation in the near future.

By: BeardTony

BeardTony — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:57:13 +0000

In this new series of patches (version .15), it seems like you have pretty much cleaned up everything that was obnoxious about the UI, and have made the game much more straight forward which I truly do appreciate.

Most of these changes do make the game easier for less patient players, (Ex: Now I don’t drop all of my scrolls when I see a mottled dragon, or drop all of my potions at entrance to the ice cave), but I think that was almost necessary with as you guys have removed “safe zones” in the mid to end game.
There is no longer an easy floor 15-26 to grind out levels before tackling the tough branches and some of the branches that were 5 to 7 floors deep have been trimmed down to 3.

The new weapon scroll mechanics are super nice, and now every one of them has value, and a like that. It does streamline the game in a way that is a less “hardcore” though, and I can completely understand why people are upset, but I just wanted to tell you that getting rid of acc and the weapon scroll failure % was the right way to go.

The removal of the encumbrance system, I have mixed feelings about, because in correlation with the removal of item destruction it changes some of the core mechanics of the game. On my last win, I had something on the order of 70 potions and 100 scrolls, which is a level of safety and opulence that just doesn’t feel right in dungeon crawl. I do like it though, because it means I’m better at dungeon crawl, but I feel it takes away some of game’s teeth. Should Spriggans really be able to carry around 100 potions and 100 scrolls with 6 strength?

My suggestion would be to reapply item destruction, add 50-75% more carry weight to the old carry weight algorithm, and also allow for characters a 20% larger “pack”, because the “pack is full” message is the real annoyance that I think players would love you forever for getting rid of.

That is all.
– BeardTony

By: Roderic

Roderic — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:58:01 +0000

*Wonder*ful

By: Eight_of_Tentacles

Eight_of_Tentacles — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:31:25 +0000

>Weapons and armour which aren’t visibly enchanted no longer have enchantments higher than +0.
Yay!

By: Sudarshan S

Sudarshan S — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:03:42 +0000

Weapons and armour which aren’t visibly enchanted no longer have enchantments higher than +0
^ Finally!