Comments on: Trunk updates, 14 January 2017 https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017 Development live! Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:52:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: PleasingFungus https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2742 PleasingFungus Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:00:11 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2742 Not nearly as many comments as the removal of <a href="https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/whisper-farewell-when-you-leave-gimli" rel="nofollow">mountain dwarves</a>... :) Not nearly as many comments as the removal of mountain dwarves… :)

]]> By: Cirk https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2741 Cirk Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:23:47 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2741 Still no increase in Ogre mace apts, even though that update had more comments than any other big recent update. The negative comments were pretty strong, the positive ones have been more akin to "Eh, it's ok". But I'm sure you know better. >removes HE because they're boring >adds Barachians Just keeps getting worse. Still no increase in Ogre mace apts, even though that update had more comments than any other big recent update. The negative comments were pretty strong, the positive ones have been more akin to “Eh, it’s ok”. But I’m sure you know better.

>removes HE because they’re boring
>adds Barachians

Just keeps getting worse.

]]> By: ryot https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2735 ryot Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:59:24 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2735 Keep frog people. Pepe is a meme of peace! Keep frog people. Pepe is a meme of peace!

]]> By: kuniqs https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2734 kuniqs Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:28:48 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2734 Please remove frog people in a later commit Please remove frog people in a later commit

]]> By: kefirnik https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2730 kefirnik Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:37:10 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2730 > Rods Let's cut out damage-dealing wands to introduce more damage-dealing wands later! > Rods

Let’s cut out damage-dealing wands to introduce more damage-dealing wands later!

]]> By: PleasingFungus https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2720 PleasingFungus Thu, 19 Jan 2017 00:32:55 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2720 Nothing was changed in that regard for the last few years. You've just had a long string of bad luck, I'm afraid! Nothing was changed in that regard for the last few years. You’ve just had a long string of bad luck, I’m afraid!

]]> By: warren https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2719 warren Thu, 19 Jan 2017 00:29:32 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2719 Armor items (gloves, boots, cloak, helms) are now too rare. Several years ago it was agreed that such items were too common. Back then it was possible to assemble a complete set of +0 armor items nearly every time before even getting to DL3. But we've swung too far in the opposite direction now. In some recent games, I reach D8-10 without locating even a single armour item. Often I have completed an entire rune branch without having +0 versions of boots/gloves/helm. Could we try a more intermediate setting of whatever variable was changed? Thank you. Armor items (gloves, boots, cloak, helms) are now too rare. Several years ago it was agreed that such items were too common. Back then it was possible to assemble a complete set of +0 armor items nearly every time before even getting to DL3. But we’ve swung too far in the opposite direction now. In some recent games, I reach D8-10 without locating even a single armour item. Often I have completed an entire rune branch without having +0 versions of boots/gloves/helm. Could we try a more intermediate setting of whatever variable was changed? Thank you.

]]> By: PleasingFungus https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2718 PleasingFungus Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:07:18 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2718 @nic: nope, just a bugfix! @nic: nope, just a bugfix!

]]> By: ViolentBeetle https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2717 ViolentBeetle Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:15:49 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2717 As far as novelty races go, I can't see what's the point in Barachians. As far as novelty races go, I can’t see what’s the point in Barachians.

]]> By: nic https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2715 nic Wed, 18 Jan 2017 05:26:31 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2715 Wizards can now rest inside walls. SS13 reference? Wizards can now rest inside walls. SS13 reference?

]]> By: Devin Buck https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2714 Devin Buck Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:53:18 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2714 Please don't remove frog people in a later commit Please don’t remove frog people in a later commit

]]> By: JeremyGraeme https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2711 JeremyGraeme Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:44:38 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2711 Hi, crawlers! Welcome – to the first changelog of 2017! Evocations: Rods of scattershot & rods of clouds have both been turned into rare, high-power wand types. Wands of Clouds, unlike their rod predecessors, always create harmful clouds. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d31b6d87200dc2ec251d172a9a657750faf98242 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1e1cac6ba2b3ab287207b7056baea220f88d15e Discs of storms have been replaced with lightning rods, a new xp-charged misc evocable with a remarkable resemblance to the old ‘lightning’ type of rod. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/716b500fed3976d1ddd75953281b7fe19d162c47 Wand power scales significantly better with Evocations skill. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bca2e7895c142b9f73b1c1dd1b3534ed0e7b4d77 Some wands have sub-LOS range. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a59074c56a2ea07c9c7766ea8ea2dff6d382962e Wands cannot be evoked while confused. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f2b14e4cc60615c43162f9c9ac89e6adc1546a3 Wands of disintegration no longer destroy terrain; wands of digging can now destroy statues. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85f13f00f2816064f2b3d4dc3b800213a65987e2 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3289933094518805c0a253911d2308620ac68eb8 Wands of slowing have, belatedly, followed their hasting friends into oblivion; they’re gone. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2dbcf0a43ec7cfad95dd55d68e8806869fbd6c8c Rods have been removed. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44a4606457c614cd71b1c56c259aa7a0d801755e New race: Barachians, a species of frog-men with a great hatred of the letter t. They have a powerful innate Hop ability, a partially-controllable Blink effect that requires several turns of motionlessness to recover before re-use. To balance this, they also have slow movement 1 (1.2 turns/move; nagas move at 1.4) and ghoul-tier attributes. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a30b92d9c8e80d4b27917dea059dba4ae6ece30 New spell: Poisonous Vapours, L2 Poison/Air. Smite-targeted; creates an extremely short-lived poison cloud on a targeted creature. Appears in the VM starting book. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0464b71d0c84ebe831f772fa677f301cbd1a32b5 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96be1219dc61b673903e1e4ac7b00cf89cead735 Removed: Poisonous Cloud. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0464b71d0c84ebe831f772fa677f301cbd1a32b5 Apportation scales more significantly with spellpower. Its targeter is also hopefully a little better. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab328243a1dedc4ba545e83bfeb8cd7315aac6d2 Your current regeneration rate is shown in %. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4ed618223de7506acc4410939d8ed38055e622e0 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19c8d8d1472fd8a29926e1e3bfe54e1a9aba509c Deep dwarves can now benefit from the special effects of Kryia’s armour. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/53eb1eaa6025ccff54221287fd95b1061c084323 The displayed resistance chance for Siren/Avatar song is shown correctly in monster descriptions; it formerly miscalculated (underestimated) their power. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/192cef2f73015e68326c56e19585c08e9c7e375c Clearing multiple ziggurats will make the figurines you find within glow in new and exciting colours. Note that clearing multiple ziggurats is, quote, “silly and should not be encouraged”. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82d1f442e3615add2e01df8fc25437e59770fb65 In addition to summoning golden dragons (see trunk update post #219, true believers!), fortunate TSO worshippers can also use poison stingers. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf3f530cc694752c1c25e4495e2281736adc3b4a Iron giants can no longer throw your orbs of destruction back at you. (It didn’t work properly anyway.) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6a4234eb5618c2dfd0a5344681e27b44dae1582a It’s no longer possible to ?acquire an item directly into lava or deep water. Sploosh no more… https://github.com/crawl/crawl/b9ad934c9e22b87d666d28a96fd613949b5da866/commit Cerebov scumming has been removed. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/22d579f75bbd14c1d7b597d1be3653d1fb4887cc Wizards can now rest inside walls. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1c1da2e6460544472f67cef6bd08f4a3df78692 Sandblast blasts sand. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/71b9d6e38eb9726618fbed2d57986b5928a10d78 Hi, crawlers! Welcome – to the first changelog of 2017!

Evocations:
Rods of scattershot & rods of clouds have both been turned into rare, high-power wand types. Wands of Clouds, unlike their rod predecessors, always create harmful clouds.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d31b6d87200dc2ec251d172a9a657750faf98242
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1e1cac6ba2b3ab287207b7056baea220f88d15e

Discs of storms have been replaced with lightning rods, a new xp-charged misc evocable with a remarkable resemblance to the old ‘lightning’ type of rod.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/716b500fed3976d1ddd75953281b7fe19d162c47

Wand power scales significantly better with Evocations skill.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bca2e7895c142b9f73b1c1dd1b3534ed0e7b4d77

Some wands have sub-LOS range.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a59074c56a2ea07c9c7766ea8ea2dff6d382962e

Wands cannot be evoked while confused.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f2b14e4cc60615c43162f9c9ac89e6adc1546a3

Wands of disintegration no longer destroy terrain; wands of digging can now destroy statues.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85f13f00f2816064f2b3d4dc3b800213a65987e2
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3289933094518805c0a253911d2308620ac68eb8

Wands of slowing have, belatedly, followed their hasting friends into oblivion; they’re gone.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2dbcf0a43ec7cfad95dd55d68e8806869fbd6c8c

Rods have been removed.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44a4606457c614cd71b1c56c259aa7a0d801755e

New race: Barachians, a species of frog-men with a great hatred of the letter t. They have a powerful innate Hop ability, a partially-controllable Blink effect that requires several turns of motionlessness to recover before re-use. To balance this, they also have slow movement 1 (1.2 turns/move; nagas move at 1.4) and ghoul-tier attributes.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a30b92d9c8e80d4b27917dea059dba4ae6ece30

New spell: Poisonous Vapours, L2 Poison/Air. Smite-targeted; creates an extremely short-lived poison cloud on a targeted creature. Appears in the VM starting book.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0464b71d0c84ebe831f772fa677f301cbd1a32b5
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96be1219dc61b673903e1e4ac7b00cf89cead735

Removed: Poisonous Cloud.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0464b71d0c84ebe831f772fa677f301cbd1a32b5

Apportation scales more significantly with spellpower. Its targeter is also hopefully a little better.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab328243a1dedc4ba545e83bfeb8cd7315aac6d2

Your current regeneration rate is shown in %.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4ed618223de7506acc4410939d8ed38055e622e0
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19c8d8d1472fd8a29926e1e3bfe54e1a9aba509c

Deep dwarves can now benefit from the special effects of Kryia’s armour.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/53eb1eaa6025ccff54221287fd95b1061c084323

The displayed resistance chance for Siren/Avatar song is shown correctly in monster descriptions; it formerly miscalculated (underestimated) their power.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/192cef2f73015e68326c56e19585c08e9c7e375c

Clearing multiple ziggurats will make the figurines you find within glow in new and exciting colours. Note that clearing multiple ziggurats is, quote, “silly and should not be encouraged”.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82d1f442e3615add2e01df8fc25437e59770fb65

In addition to summoning golden dragons (see trunk update post #219, true believers!), fortunate TSO worshippers can also use poison stingers.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf3f530cc694752c1c25e4495e2281736adc3b4a

Iron giants can no longer throw your orbs of destruction back at you. (It didn’t work properly anyway.)
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6a4234eb5618c2dfd0a5344681e27b44dae1582a

It’s no longer possible to ?acquire an item directly into lava or deep water. Sploosh no more…
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/b9ad934c9e22b87d666d28a96fd613949b5da866/commit

Cerebov scumming has been removed.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/22d579f75bbd14c1d7b597d1be3653d1fb4887cc

Wizards can now rest inside walls.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1c1da2e6460544472f67cef6bd08f4a3df78692

Sandblast blasts sand.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/71b9d6e38eb9726618fbed2d57986b5928a10d78

]]> By: Branded Warrior https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2710 Branded Warrior Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:57:32 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2710 * Deep dwarves can now benefit from the special effects of Kryia’s armour. Oh, good news. For me this armour now works properly. * Deep dwarves can now benefit from the special effects of Kryia’s armour.

Oh, good news. For me this armour now works properly.

]]> By: pratamawirya https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2709 pratamawirya Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:27:52 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2709 Wait, what? As far as I remember, I always reached min delay with GC at 18 m&f. Wait, what? As far as I remember, I always reached min delay with GC at 18 m&f.

]]> By: Rumbleguts https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2707 Rumbleguts Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:59:22 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2707 If completely reversing the reduction in Og M&F aptitude is out of the question, what about returning the M&F skill required for min delay on GC and GSC back to 20 and 22? I assume it was originally increased because it took too little exp investment for Og to reach min delay and it was a no-brainer to wield them. ... presently I'd always use a lajatang instead of I weren't using a shield. If completely reversing the reduction in Og M&F aptitude is out of the question, what about returning the M&F skill required for min delay on GC and GSC back to 20 and 22? I assume it was originally increased because it took too little exp investment for Og to reach min delay and it was a no-brainer to wield them. … presently I’d always use a lajatang instead of I weren’t using a shield.

]]> By: PleasingFungus https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2706 PleasingFungus Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:41:04 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2706 If you steal Cerebov's rune without killing him, he, like other pan lords, periodically re-appears throughout Pan and on the orb run. If you have some source of disarming - the Captain's Cutlass or Jiyva's tendrils mutation - you could take his unique sword, and he'd reappear with a fresh one every time he spawned. This was almost entirely useless. If you steal Cerebov’s rune without killing him, he, like other pan lords, periodically re-appears throughout Pan and on the orb run. If you have some source of disarming – the Captain’s Cutlass or Jiyva’s tendrils mutation – you could take his unique sword, and he’d reappear with a fresh one every time he spawned.

This was almost entirely useless.

]]> By: lulu https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2705 lulu Sun, 15 Jan 2017 09:53:31 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2705 Cerebov scumming - What was that? I'm fine with these changes as usual. But you still need to fix Orges MF apt. Thanks for the work! Cerebov scumming – What was that?

I’m fine with these changes as usual. But you still need to fix Orges MF apt.

Thanks for the work!

]]> By: warren https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-14-january-2017/comment-page-1#comment-2704 warren Sun, 15 Jan 2017 04:18:47 +0000 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3836#comment-2704 The removal of haste and healing wands is a game altering change to the 15 rune ability of most race/class combos. Now there are a specific set of deities and race/class combos that give 15 rune runs a decent success chance. Everything else has a very low chance of surviving a 15 rune run (not impossible, just risky to the point of making the attempt be a foolish). Thus, this change has limited the playability of the extended end game thereby once again removing content from the game and replacing it with silly niche items. The removal of haste and healing wands is a game altering change to the 15 rune ability of most race/class combos. Now there are a specific set of deities and race/class combos that give 15 rune runs a decent success chance. Everything else has a very low chance of surviving a 15 rune run (not impossible, just risky to the point of making the attempt be a foolish). Thus, this change has limited the playability of the extended end game thereby once again removing content from the game and replacing it with silly niche items.

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