Comments on: Crawl 0.16: “The Great Annihilating Truth”

By: Ben

Ben — Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:17:25 +0000

Really awful update, food needs to be reverted to how it was and DK/Healer need to come back. Just uninstalled this, won’t be reinstalling til this is fixed.

By: Arcane Redneck

Arcane Redneck — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 16:53:26 +0000

A lot of people are saying that Crawl is too easy these days. Why not add a new mode to replace Zot Defense, and call it “Crawl Pro” or “Crawl Classic,” so you can make the main game more fun and accessible, but still keep the rougelike veterans happy with a significantly harder version of the game.

By: PleasingFungus

PleasingFungus — Wed, 25 Mar 2015 15:11:31 +0000

That sounds like the open bug https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9252 , which is still under investigation. Sorry for the inconvenience!

By: obsoletion

obsoletion — Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:10:37 +0000

Update to my previous comment: I just tested it again, and it does in fact move the selection box, but it takes about a full second to occur. In version 15 it instantly moves it. I know it sounds minor, but it makes it difficult enough for me to play that I will stay with version 15 for now. Is this something that will get fixed?

By: obsoletion

obsoletion — Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:07:57 +0000

I’m on Windows and in version 16 the yellow selection box that shows which tile your mouse is currently hovered over does not update properly when performing actions. Very disorienting, makes it difficult to play after being so accustomed to it. For example: When I click to move to a tile, the selection box stays on the tile I clicked and does not follow my mouse until I move my mouse to a new tile.

By: Rikonman

Rikonman — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:04:09 +0000

I mean don’t get me wrong, I love this 90% of this patch, I’m just really saddened by the changes to Elyvilon and the removal of the healer background, I feel both were unnecessary. Before Elyvilon promoted an alternative playing style and really made the game feel a lot different. Now he’s just another god who grants you some bonuses. I never thought Elyvilon was specifically overpowered, so I really don’t understand why they felt the change was needed. The rest of the patch is amazing though.

By: Artefact

Artefact — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:31:57 +0000

There is a lot of bandwagon negativity here that I find both disheartening and amusing. Tedium does not equate to skill-reliant difficulty or fun. Changes happen for balance reasons and to keep the game fresh. Crawl has become easier for a wider variety of race/background combinations but is moving away from requiring scummy behavior to succeed. Both positives in my book. Long live The Great Annihilating Truth!

By: JStrange

JStrange — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:49:45 +0000

Why don’t you go to Kickstarter? QQ

By: nick

nick — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:43:16 +0000

Jesus Christ, if you don’t like the new version just play the older ones, in my opinion these changes are all making the game less boring/repetitive (seriously, who liked to kite kobolds just so you could get +1 piety with Elyvilon?), the game is getting better, and if you think otherwise, you can write a detailed post describing your opinion on the changes.

By: guest

guest — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:58:03 +0000

So what the point of those changes? To ultimately have a boring turn-based diablo clone with ASCII graphics that few tourney***s will play? If you think you are such a great gamedesigner, go to kickstarter and launch a standalone game, just leave DC alone.

(Mod note: edited out a slur.)

By: Somebody

Somebody — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:33:46 +0000

Congradulations.

By: PleasingFungus

PleasingFungus — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:17:49 +0000

We switched from SDL1 to SDL2, which has caused (and fixed) a whole range of issues – some of which we’ve already sorted out, some of which are just becoming apparent. It’s a teething process.

By: chikinn

chikinn — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:14:26 +0000

PleasingFungus: Arch. Looking through the other comments, it could be a performance issue (I’m on a laptop) — though I wonder what .16 introduced that could cause such a noticeable change.

By: PleasingFungus

PleasingFungus — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:01:02 +0000

Jukka: Unfortunately, I don’t believe so; a shift in behind-the-scenes technology (to C++11) has made it impractical to support older versions of OS X. I’ll ask around to be sure.

chikinn: What platform are you on?

By: chikinn

chikinn — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:49:20 +0000

Autoexplore is much slower now. Is there a way to speed it up again?

By: Jukka

Jukka — Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:44:04 +0000

Is it possible to get an OS X 10.6.8 compatible version (preferably tiles)?

By: Jonas

Jonas — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 23:43:05 +0000

Nice, very reasonable changes – I’ll try it right now.

By: Rikonman

Rikonman — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 21:29:10 +0000

I do love the things they’ve been adding to the game, but I really don’t like the things they’ve been taking away. Healer was one of my favorite backgrounds, and this patch seems like a huge nerf to Elyvilon. It’s Nemelex all over again, though at least they’re buffing him again (nemelex at least probably needed nerfed before, they overdid it though, but I don’t understand why they felt the need to nerf Elyvilon).

I really wish they’d put in some kind of mode where you can play with the things they’ve taken out. Food is virtually irrelevant now, I remember on my very first win I had to use a scroll of acquirement for food, that’s never going to happen again. I miss item destruction, that was a good mechanic. Also no more strength restriction I still believe to be ridiculous. I’m ok with no secret doors and the corrosion change, cuz corrosion is still pretty dangerous and secret doors I feel like didn’t really add much. If they would add a mode with all that stuff in it again, I believe it would cement crawl as the best roguelike, because I feel like the comment about it being a “decent starter roguelike” is a bit too close to home.

By: bopeep

bopeep — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:05:13 +0000

Yay, more features being carved away.

By: RoGGa

RoGGa — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:12:54 +0000

For those using Debian/Ubuntu and who are unable to install 0.16 because of unavailable inter-dependencies, I got around that by installing Wine and then installing the Windows version .exe file

By: SadPanda

SadPanda — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:05:59 +0000

Dear DCSS dev team the andriod version of 0.16 is bugged.
Going back to 0.15.2 now(sadness).

By: amethyst_igor

amethyst_igor — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 18:23:29 +0000

it was not easy installing this on Linux Mint 17. The latest version available in Mint is 13. Well that is too old for real.

Dis is how ya do the shiz… can’t do it through Software Manager, just get out of that, it is a waste of time.

fire up Synaptic, install crawl-tiles-data, crawl-common, liblua 5.1-0, libsdl2-2.0, libsdl2-image-2.0. Then you got to get libstdc++6 > 4.9, which is a problem, bc ubuntu doesn’t make it available. The latest available is 4.8. you have to add a ppa via command line. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test. Then refresh. Then you can find the libstdc++6 > 4.9, but not install it. You have to trick Synaptic into letting you install it. If you make like you are going to remove libstdc++, then cancel, Synaptic gets confused and lets you install libstdc++6 > 4.9. After that I installed everything, then installed crawl and tested. .16 working fine here on Linux Mint 17 on an Intel Core 2 Duo Lenovo with 2 gigs of RAM. Only took me an hour to install lol. Come on guys you can make it harder than that.

By: Adamo

Adamo — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:40:12 +0000

@DaStockMan
“No food, no light sources, no secret doors, no strength effect on inventory, no item destruction, etc”

Yeah, I opt for bringing the stuff back!!! Especially the item destruction, which was cool. Without it, the game has gone too easy.

By: Unano

Unano — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:26:25 +0000

I liked the updates but what happened to the android version? Not only it has greatly changed — it looks really bugged: crashes when switching to/from portrait mode, when it’s not — screen is really glitchy, unable to map hardbuttons. Or is it just because my phone became really old (SE Xperia Arc S)?

By: Dan

Dan — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:03:44 +0000

The mouse doesn’t work with this build, used to be able to click to equip items now it does nothing.. Will have to go back to .15, no clue why it shouldn’t work..

By: amethyst_igor

amethyst_igor — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 23:00:39 +0000

I like 16 and how the devz improved and enhanced Nemelex Xobeh, the only realistic choice of deity for the underdog race of Mummies, the species rated “Least Likely to Succeed” in the Tavern. Now I finally have a Mummy that can survive the Lair. Wee!

On the downside, :-( I am grieving over the loss of Zot Defense, which I loved.

The philosophical changes to the game are not terribly important and do not have a big impact on the game experience. btw one reason to play Mummies is to have more inventory slots available for non-food items.

Each new version changes the game in some way, sometimes good sometimes just change because Xom wants change. I think the devs worship Xom sometimes, other times Nemelex Xobeh, other times another god. At any rate change keeps the game fresh and different at least and has not been too bad.

Loving Crawl.

By: xan

xan — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:48:50 +0000

great work! however,
on ubuntu 14.10, the mouse lags and the movement (even with vim keys) feels clunky/delayed

By: nubinia

nubinia — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 06:42:38 +0000

Games are meant to be fun, aren’t they? I don’t know one that is more enduring fun than this one.

By: DaStockMan

DaStockMan — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 03:03:17 +0000

So basically food is an even more trivial problem LOL? Just eliminate it already. No food, no light sources, no secret doors, no strength effect on inventory, no item destruction, etc. The epic slide from “best roguelike” to “decent starter roguelike” continues. I’m still expecting non-unique monsters to be eliminated soon. All the trash battling is tedious and exploitable, and is against stone soup philosophy is it not?

By: kylekylekyle

kylekylekyle — Fri, 13 Mar 2015 21:48:19 +0000

Dungeon crawl best game #1 forever. Hue Hue :)