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dcss:brainstorm:species:propose:lava_orc [2011-12-21 17:24]
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-><del>Apparently Lava Orcs' natural stoneskin is based on earth skill; this is a bit weird.  --- //[[user:MrMisterMonkey]] 2011-03-30 06:06//</del> +><del>Apparently Lava Orcs' natural stoneskin is based on earth skill; this is a bit weird.  --- //[[user:mrmistermonkey]] 2011-03-30 06:06//</del> 
->><del>Changed this to XL replacing earth skill for LO with Stoneskin. They won't be able to cast the actual spell - either they're already stone, or are too hot to be stone. --- //[[user:Eronarn]] 2011-03-30 16:29//</del>+>><del>Changed this to XL replacing earth skill for LO with Stoneskin. They won't be able to cast the actual spell - either they're already stone, or are too hot to be stone. --- //[[user:eronarn]] 2011-03-30 16:29//</del>
  
 >Hardly ever was hot in the game. When I was, the heat aura certainly helped (going berserk against several hydras, V:8). Should somehow retain heat better imo. >Hardly ever was hot in the game. When I was, the heat aura certainly helped (going berserk against several hydras, V:8). Should somehow retain heat better imo.
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 >>This is changed to rF+ always; rF+++ at very high temperature only. >>This is changed to rF+ always; rF+++ at very high temperature only.
 >>> Mere rF+++ looks like a serious bug to me: if you can swim in lava, something that's merely slightly hot should never hurt you.  A flaming arrow is nothing compared to lava's temperature -- you should take solely physical damage. >>> Mere rF+++ looks like a serious bug to me: if you can swim in lava, something that's merely slightly hot should never hurt you.  A flaming arrow is nothing compared to lava's temperature -- you should take solely physical damage.
->>> Their low-tension state is no different: if they are capable of taking fire damage from weak sources, being dunked in lava should seriously hurt them.  You can't have immunity to lava but vulnerability to clouds or flame. --- //[[user:KiloByte]] 2011-04-01 18:52//+>>> Their low-tension state is no different: if they are capable of taking fire damage from weak sources, being dunked in lava should seriously hurt them.  You can't have immunity to lava but vulnerability to clouds or flame. --- //[[user:kilobyte]] 2011-04-01 18:52//
 >(it says below that apts are 150! which should just be 150). -4 apts are a bit odd on weapon skills, perhaps make polearms -2. (this will make no difference). Interesting synergy with very low spellcasting and high earth/fire; will be interesting to see how that plays: imo maybe make spellcasting -4 and earth, fire +4, with tmut +2. This would mean they could only really go into a few schools successfully - but this is based on no experience, my win was a berserker. >(it says below that apts are 150! which should just be 150). -4 apts are a bit odd on weapon skills, perhaps make polearms -2. (this will make no difference). Interesting synergy with very low spellcasting and high earth/fire; will be interesting to see how that plays: imo maybe make spellcasting -4 and earth, fire +4, with tmut +2. This would mean they could only really go into a few schools successfully - but this is based on no experience, my win was a berserker.
 >>Apts unchanged for right now. >>Apts unchanged for right now.
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   * Can't say as I really like the concept/theme (I'd rather not have them be orcs specifically, but rather generic "Magmen" or something), but if they go in, they should really be added to the Volcano monster sets. --- //[[user:jeffqyzt]] 2011-03-29 23:38//   * Can't say as I really like the concept/theme (I'd rather not have them be orcs specifically, but rather generic "Magmen" or something), but if they go in, they should really be added to the Volcano monster sets. --- //[[user:jeffqyzt]] 2011-03-29 23:38//
-     * Agree, as a racial selection something along the line of a gender neutral Magman would be preferable to Lava Orc, It would be more flavorful than an orc variant. Hmmm, what to name them... --- //[[user:Porkchop]] 2011-03-31 18:54// +     * Agree, as a racial selection something along the line of a gender neutral Magman would be preferable to Lava Orc, It would be more flavorful than an orc variant. Hmmm, what to name them... --- //[[user:porkchop]] 2011-03-31 18:54// 
-       * We could name them Lava Orcs. --- //[[user:Eronarn]] 2011-04-08 00:41//+       * We could name them Lava Orcs. --- //[[user:eronarn]] 2011-04-08 00:41//
      * I don't agree - lava orc is a fine species name, and it has ready flavour attached; I find the possibility of worshiping Beogh especially funny.  --- //[[user:evktalo]] 2011-03-31 19:28//      * I don't agree - lava orc is a fine species name, and it has ready flavour attached; I find the possibility of worshiping Beogh especially funny.  --- //[[user:evktalo]] 2011-03-31 19:28//
      * I love both the concept, the theme, and the name. " --- //[[user:due]] 2011-04-15 20:59//      * I love both the concept, the theme, and the name. " --- //[[user:due]] 2011-04-15 20:59//
-     * There are major problems with Beogh, both with theme and game mechanics.  The former is subjective, but for the latter, the main Lava Orc power, free Tornado at xl 1 with no cost, kills your whole flock in a couple turns the moment you get heated up or step into lava.  In the current implementation, Beogh even doesn't give you penance for that. --- //[[user:KiloByte]] 2011-04-16 14:34//+     * There are major problems with Beogh, both with theme and game mechanics.  The former is subjective, but for the latter, the main Lava Orc power, free Tornado at xl 1 with no cost, kills your whole flock in a couple turns the moment you get heated up or step into lava.  In the current implementation, Beogh even doesn't give you penance for that. --- //[[user:kilobyte]] 2011-04-16 14:34//
        * Even if no Lava Orc ever actually successfully worships Beogh, I think it adds depth to the Crawl world to have another orc species he'll accept. And how much fun will the Orcish Lava Mines branch be?! --- //[[user:pepperfez]] 2011-5-17//        * Even if no Lava Orc ever actually successfully worships Beogh, I think it adds depth to the Crawl world to have another orc species he'll accept. And how much fun will the Orcish Lava Mines branch be?! --- //[[user:pepperfez]] 2011-5-17//
-       * The fact that current lava orcs nuke normal orc followers is readily fixed.  Add lava orc monsters to the game; normal orc priests of Beogh can only acquire normal orc followers, lava orc priests can only acquire lava orcs.  Even though they worship the same God, racial differences would lead to a de facto sectarian split.  This neatly mirrors how the real world sometimes works. --- //[[user:Happylisk]] 2011-5-23//+       * The fact that current lava orcs nuke normal orc followers is readily fixed.  Add lava orc monsters to the game; normal orc priests of Beogh can only acquire normal orc followers, lava orc priests can only acquire lava orcs.  Even though they worship the same God, racial differences would lead to a de facto sectarian split.  This neatly mirrors how the real world sometimes works. --- //[[user:happylisk]] 2011-5-23//
          * Except "normal" player orcs are hill orcs and "normal" monster orcs are cave orcs, so Beogh is already working across racial lines. The possibility of a united orcish nation, as compared to the irreconcilable differences among dwarves and elves, seems especially charming. --- //[[user:pepperfez]] 2011-6-19//          * Except "normal" player orcs are hill orcs and "normal" monster orcs are cave orcs, so Beogh is already working across racial lines. The possibility of a united orcish nation, as compared to the irreconcilable differences among dwarves and elves, seems especially charming. --- //[[user:pepperfez]] 2011-6-19//
 +         * Maybe the orcish nations need not be united, but followers don't care about the race of the player because s/he's seen as a prophet? --- //[[user:Psiweapon]] 2012-05-26 22:39//
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