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| ===== A bit of discussion ===== | ===== A bit of discussion ===== | ||
| - | In an earlier discussion (that included my suggestion of making jellies chaotic) [[user:Eronarn]] made a useful division into: | + | In an earlier discussion (that included my suggestion of making jellies chaotic) [[user:eronarn]] made a useful division into: |
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| And finally, merfolk on land is "a perversion of form"; their natural, true form is the tailed one in the water. Silver hurts them in land form, and Zin probably would think Merfolk should stay in the water and not walk the earth. In a theoretical world of Crawl outside the Dungeon, merfolk worshippers of Zin would preach against such land adventuring that player character merfolk do. I'm thinking Zin wouldn't accept land-adventuring Merfolk as worshippers. The reasons are purely flavour of course. | And finally, merfolk on land is "a perversion of form"; their natural, true form is the tailed one in the water. Silver hurts them in land form, and Zin probably would think Merfolk should stay in the water and not walk the earth. In a theoretical world of Crawl outside the Dungeon, merfolk worshippers of Zin would preach against such land adventuring that player character merfolk do. I'm thinking Zin wouldn't accept land-adventuring Merfolk as worshippers. The reasons are purely flavour of course. | ||
| - | >For merfolk, changing between legs and tail seems to be an automatic, universal, and indeed fully natural transformation in-game. Why do you say their "true" form is the aquatic? They certainly seem innately amphibious to me. Is it a perversion when a tadpole becomes a frog? Zin's free to think what he likes regarding the matter, but I don't see why silver itself should file them as "impure." --- //[[user:OG17]] 2010-03-31 17:35// | + | >For merfolk, changing between legs and tail seems to be an automatic, universal, and indeed fully natural transformation in-game. Why do you say their "true" form is the aquatic? They certainly seem innately amphibious to me. Is it a perversion when a tadpole becomes a frog? Zin's free to think what he likes regarding the matter, but I don't see why silver itself should file them as "impure." --- //[[user:og17]] 2010-03-31 17:35// |
| ===== List of implications ===== | ===== List of implications ===== | ||
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| Okawaru is dubbed "lawful neutral" in a comment. While D&D-like alignments don't (and arguably shouldn't) have a 1-1 equivalence in Crawl, I found that bit inspiring. Perhaps Okawaru should object to chaos like Zin does? | Okawaru is dubbed "lawful neutral" in a comment. While D&D-like alignments don't (and arguably shouldn't) have a 1-1 equivalence in Crawl, I found that bit inspiring. Perhaps Okawaru should object to chaos like Zin does? | ||
| - | > Oka "lawful"? He looks perfectly neutral to me. --- //[[user:KiloByte]] 2010-01-13 21:38// | + | > Oka "lawful"? He looks perfectly neutral to me. --- //[[user:kilobyte]] 2010-01-13 21:38// |
| Since silver won't hurt all demons - just chaotic ones now; some demons could perhaps be made undead as well as demons (caveat: dispel undead gains more power!); | Since silver won't hurt all demons - just chaotic ones now; some demons could perhaps be made undead as well as demons (caveat: dispel undead gains more power!); | ||
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| * Reaper and/or soul eater | * Reaper and/or soul eater | ||
| - | > I don't see any justification for this. --- //[[user:KiloByte]] 2010-01-13 21:38// | + | > I don't see any justification for this. --- //[[user:kilobyte]] 2010-01-13 21:38// |
| >> Clarified: undead as well as demons. Hellwing and reaper are described as "skeletal" and have an undead theme; lemure and manes in Wikipedia are linked to the dead. Rotting devil is a decaying demon which is the association with undead (but not as strong as the previous ones). It would be nice to make one hell lord and one non-random pan lord suspectible to silver as well. (The Dispel Undead caveat is very much in effect here as well). --- //[[user:evktalo]] 2010-01-14 10:57// | >> Clarified: undead as well as demons. Hellwing and reaper are described as "skeletal" and have an undead theme; lemure and manes in Wikipedia are linked to the dead. Rotting devil is a decaying demon which is the association with undead (but not as strong as the previous ones). It would be nice to make one hell lord and one non-random pan lord suspectible to silver as well. (The Dispel Undead caveat is very much in effect here as well). --- //[[user:evktalo]] 2010-01-14 10:57// | ||
| - | >>> I've long thought it strange that reapers aren't undead, considering they're literally following the "grim reaper" archtype. Being invulnerable to dispel undead may be useful when using them as a necromancy miscast, but their not being undead makes little sense in itself. --- //[[user:OG17]] 2010-03-31 17:35// | + | >>> I've long thought it strange that reapers aren't undead, considering they're literally following the "grim reaper" archtype. Being invulnerable to dispel undead may be useful when using them as a necromancy miscast, but their not being undead makes little sense in itself. --- //[[user:og17]] 2010-03-31 17:35// |
| How about summons? | How about summons? | ||