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Halls Hopper

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Joined: Wednesday, 23rd January 2013, 17:18

Post Tuesday, 9th April 2013, 08:54

CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

This is my fist successful SpEn and I'm curious if it would be a dumb idea to learn tornado or not. I think I'll have enough experience but I don't know if it'll be worth it. I'm also thinking about maybe doing extended but I have no idea how well a SpEn of Makhleb would do. If I shouldn't learn tornado are there other spells I should look for?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0 (tiles) character file.

Win the Imperceptible (Spriggan Enchanter)         Turns: 50680, Time: 04:23:42

HP  90/90        AC  9     Str  9      XL: 18   Next: 51%
MP  36/36        EV 30     Int 29      God: Makhleb [******]
Gold 3444        SH 20     Dex 16      Spells: 14 memorised,  2 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   r - +2,+1 quick blade (distort)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   D - +2 elf robe {rC+}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   C - +3 buckler
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : +   a - +2 wizard hat
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   u - +2 cloak
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   (gloves unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   n - amulet "Pnix" {rCorr Dam+4}
Saprovore : . . .   Levitation : .   q - +4 ring of intelligence
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   k - +5 ring of intelligence

@: very quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, incredibly stealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, -10% mp, slow
metabolism 2
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Crypt.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 36 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer and Ice Cave.

You have collected 3654 gold pieces.
You have spent 230 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 r - a +2,+1 quick blade of distortion (weapon)
Armour
 a - a +2 wizard hat (worn)
 u - a +2 cloak (worn)
 C - a +3 buckler (worn)
 D - a +2 elven robe of cold resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 o - a wand of digging (10)
Comestibles
 b - 3 royal jellies
 t - 5 honeycombs
Scrolls
 e - 3 scrolls of recharging
 g - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 p - 3 scrolls of fear
 s - a scroll of holy word
 y - a scroll of enchant armour
 z - 2 scrolls of identify
 B - 2 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
 k - a +5 ring of intelligence (left hand)
 n - the amulet "Pnix" (around neck) {rCorr Dam+4}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults)   
   
   [amulet of resist corrosion]
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+4).
 q - a +4 ring of intelligence (right hand)
 w - an uncursed ring of life protection
Potions
 d - 2 potions of restore abilities
 f - 7 potions of heal wounds
 i - 6 potions of curing
 j - 2 potions of speed
 l - a potion of might
 x - a potion of resistance
 A - 2 potions of agility
Books
 c - a book of the Sky   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Flight                            Charms/Air                   3
   *Insulation                        Charms/Air                   4
   *Airstrike                         Air                          4
   *Silence                           Hexes/Air                    5
   Deflect Missiles                   Charms/Air                   6
   Conjure Ball Lightning             Conjuration/Air              7
   Tornado                            Air                          9


   Skills:
 - Level 10.0 Fighting
 - Level 10.0 Short Blades
 - Level 1.1 Throwing
 - Level 15.0 Dodging
 + Level 23.4 Stealth
 - Level 12.0 Stabbing
 - Level 9.0 Shields
 - Level 9.0 Traps & Doors
 - Level 14.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 13.0 Hexes
 - Level 11.0 Charms
 - Level 5.0 Air Magic
 - Level 9.0 Invocations


You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Corona                Hex            ########     0%          1    None
b - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        #######      1%          2    None
c - Confuse               Hex            ########.    1%          3    None
d - Invisibility          Hex            ########.    1%          6    ####...
e - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          2    None
f - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   1%          3    None
g - Haste                 Chrm           #######..    4%          6    ####...
h - Flight                Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          3    None
i - Apportation           Tloc           ####......   2%          1    None
j - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          3%          2    None
k - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ####.....    2%          1    None
l - Silence               Hex/Air        #######...   1%          5    None
m - Insulation            Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          4    None
n - Airstrike             Air            ######....   3%          4    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (16/27)            Temple (0/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:7
    Elf (1/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:11         Shoals (0/5) Lair:6
  Snake (0/5) Lair:5        Slime (0/6) Lair:6       Vaults (5/8) D:16
  Blade (1/1) Vaults:5      Crypt (1/5) Vaults:4   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Xom
Yredelemnul
Beogh
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
D:4: =(  D:7: %  D:16: *  Orc:3: ![  Orc:4: ?((/

Portals:
Abyss: Vaults:1

Annotations
D:9 PDA
D:14 1 exclusion
Lair:6 exclusion: oklob plant
Vaults:4 Mennas, Xtahua
Vaults:5 Wiglaf
Abyss Margery, Saint Roka


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need consume almost no food.
Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP).


Message History

An iguana zombie comes into view.
There is an open door here.
The helpless iguana zombie fails to defend itself.
You spit the iguana zombie like a pig!!!
You destroy the iguana zombie!
Makhleb accepts your kill.
You open the door.
Found 19 bolts.
There is an open door here.
Found a stone staircase leading down.
Found a scroll of holy word.
You catch the helpless giant frog skeleton momentarily off-guard.
You impale the giant frog skeleton!!
Space warps horribly around the giant frog skeleton!
You destroy the giant frog skeleton!
Makhleb accepts your kill.
s - a scroll of holy word
Found a stone staircase leading down.
You drop 2 curare-tipped needles.
Search for what [Enter for "identify", or ? for help]? enchant

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A sphinx (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  A frost giant (Vaults:1)
  Donald (Orc:3)
  Louise (D:15)
  Gastronok (D:10)
  3 curse skulls
  A deep elf death mage (Vaults:1)
  A vampire knight (Vaults:1)
  3 yaktaur captains
  2 ettins (Vaults:4)
  2 dragons
  5 vault guards (Vaults:1)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  Fannar (D:12)
  Harold (Orc:3)
  A storm dragon skeleton (Vaults:4)
  A great orb of eyes (Vaults:5)
  25 dancing weapons (Blade)
  5 hydras
  Nessos (Orc:3)
  A fire giant zombie (Vaults:3)
  6 orc high priests (Orc:4)
  2 stone giant zombies
  2 ogre magi
  14 centaur warriors
  A very ugly thing (Vaults:1)
  3 elves (shapeshifter)
  5 skeletal warriors (Crypt:1)
  An iron troll (Vaults:5)
  2 deep elf knights
  2 hell knights (Blade)
  2 draconians (shapeshifter)
  6 orc knights
  Erolcha (D:8)
  3 unseen horrors
  Pikel (D:9)
  A necromancer (Blade)
  9 hill giants
  Joseph (D:7)
  A hydra zombie (Crypt:1)
  A yellow draconian skeleton (Crypt:1)
  A giant amoeba (Vaults:4)
  A red wasp (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  An orc sorcerer (Elf:1)
  2 wolf spiders (Vaults:4)
  8 cyclopes
  A fire crab (Vaults:4)
  A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  Maurice (D:13)
  An elephant slug (Lair:6)
  3 elephants (Lair:8)
  10 spiny frogs
  4 black mambas
  A slime creature (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A dragon skeleton (Vaults:2)
  29 slime creatures
  14 yaktaurs
  Psyche (D:9)
  A feature mimic (D:14)
  38 ugly things
  3 rock trolls
  A rock troll (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  Grinder (D:6)
  2 trolls (shapeshifter)
  Sonja (Orc:3)
  A deep troll zombie (Vaults:3)
  8 komodo dragons
  2 queen bees
  Prince Ribbit (D:8)
  A rock troll zombie (Vaults:5)
  6 spriggans
  A polar bear (Lair:7)
  2 rock troll skeletons
  8 blink frogs (Lair:8)
  5 two-headed ogres
  A giant firefly (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  12 trolls
  3 basilisks
  10 grizzly bears (Lair:8)
  A basilisk (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  4 human zombies (D:9)
  A swamp dragon zombie (Crypt:1)
  5 wyverns
  3 wraiths
  Eustachio (Orc:1)
  A deep elf conjurer (Vaults:5)
  9 hippogriffs
  Grum (D:8)
  2 vampires (Vaults:1)
  A clay golem (Vaults:2)
  A trapdoor spider (D:15)
  2 hungry ghosts (Vaults:4)
  A wyvern (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  A redback (Vaults:4)
  10 vampire mosquitoes
  A neqoxec (D:16)
  30 yaks
  5 manticores
  A manticore zombie (Crypt:1)
  A fire drake (Lair:4)
  A mottled dragon (D:15)
  A cyclops zombie (Vaults:1)
  12 war dogs
  4 boulder beetles
  A freezing wraith (Vaults:4)
  A necrophage (Crypt:1)
  26 orc warriors
  6 ice beasts (IceCv)
  3 slaves (D:9)
  3 black bears (Lair:8)
  A polar bear zombie (Crypt:1)
  A boulder beetle zombie (Vaults:1)
  A rock worm zombie (D:15)
  12 giant goldfish
  4 sky beasts
  2 troll zombies
  A boring beetle (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  3 phantoms
  10 ogres
  2 boring beetles
  23 centaurs
  14 crocodiles
  Sigmund (D:5)
  Duvessa (D:5)
  16 wolves (Lair:8)
  14 water moccasins
  6 giant slugs
  3 big kobolds
  9 wargs
  A basilisk zombie (D:11)
  A big kobold (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  4 brain worms (D:16)
  A soldier ant zombie (D:10)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:8)
  A giant frog skeleton (Crypt:1)
  Blork the orc (D:9)
  13 giant frogs
  6 agate snails
  6 jellyfish
  An eye of draining (D:11)
  2 electric eels (D:14)
  54 killer bees
  A killer bee zombie (D:8)
  6 wights
  An ogre zombie (D:9)
  A vampire bat (Orc:2)
  4 goliath beetles
  A big kobold zombie (D:6)
  6 crimson imps
  A mottled dragon skeleton (D:14)
  Dowan (D:5)
  A gnoll shaman (D:4)
  40 orc priests
  2 shadows
  A basilisk simulacrum (Vaults:2)
  7 hounds
  12 iguanas
  2 humans (shapeshifter)
  13 big fish
  An ogre skeleton (Crypt:1)
  2 orange rats
  10 porcupines
  A mermaid (Sewer)
  A worker ant zombie (D:15)
  10 worker ants
  30 orc wizards
  6 scorpions
  A steam dragon zombie (Crypt:1)
  Ijyb (D:5)
  An elf zombie (D:9)
  14 sheep
  A boggart (Vaults:1)
  A goliath beetle zombie (D:10)
  2 mummies (D:9)
  8 gnolls
  26 adders
  5 giant centipedes
  A giant centipede zombie (D:8)
  49 green rats
  An iguana zombie (Crypt:1)
  A scorpion zombie (D:10)
  3 giant mites
  4 worms
  4 jellies
  10 grey rats
  A giant eyeball (D:7)
  209 orcs
  18 goblins
  18 hobgoblins
  17 jackals
  41 kobolds
  14 quokkas
  6 ball pythons
  35 bats
  8 giant cockroaches
  8 giant geckos
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:9)
  9 giant newts
  A human skeleton (D:9)
  A jackal skeleton (Crypt:1)
  An orc skeleton (D:9)
  An orc zombie (D:9)
  A quokka skeleton (D:5)
  34 rats
  2 rat skeletons
  A fungus (Lair:3)
  2 plants
  32 toadstools
1422 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A frost giant (Vaults:1)
  2 vault guards (Vaults:1)
  A dragon (Vaults:1)
  A deep elf demonologist (Vaults:1)
  A centaur warrior (Vaults:1)
  An unseen horror (Vaults:1)
  A big kobold (Vaults:1)
8 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An Executioner (Vaults:1)
  A cacodemon (Vaults:1)
  A vault guard (Vaults:1)
  A blizzard demon (Vaults:1)
  A green death (Vaults:1)
  A spriggan rider (Lair:8)
  A stone giant zombie (Vaults:5)
  2 centaur warriors
  A hell knight (Blade)
  A skeletal warrior (Crypt:1)
  An unseen horror (Vaults:1)
  An orc sorcerer (Vaults:3)
  A cyclops (Vaults:5)
  A griffon zombie (Vaults:2)
  A red wasp zombie (Vaults:4)
  2 slime creatures
  A yaktaur (Vaults:2)
  An ettin skeleton (Vaults:5)
  An eye of devastation (Vaults:1)
  A hellwing (Vaults:1)
  An orange demon (Lair:8)
  4 ugly things
  A deep troll zombie (Vaults:1)
  3 spriggans (Lair:8)
  2 yaks
  A wyvern (D:11)
  A deep elf conjurer (Vaults:5)
  A komodo dragon zombie (D:14)
  A vampire mosquito (D:14)
  A cyclops skeleton (Vaults:4)
  A black bear (Lair:8)
  A kobold demonologist (Vaults:1)
  A deep elf mage (Vaults:4)
  A centaur (Vaults:1)
  A big kobold (Vaults:1)
  An agate snail (Lair:3)
  6 killer bees
  A boring beetle simulacrum (Vaults:4)
  A big kobold skeleton (D:14)
  3 orc priests
  An orange rat (D:11)
  A scorpion (D:9)
  A boggart (Vaults:4)
  3 green rats
  A sheep skeleton (Crypt:1)
  A grey rat (Vaults:1)
  13 orcs
  A goblin (Orc:4)
  A hobgoblin (Lair:1)
  4 kobolds (Vaults:1)
  A quokka (Lair:5)
  2 rats
  A bush (Lair:8)
  6 fungi (Lair:8)
  8 plants
  27 toadstools
127 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1557 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Win, the Spriggan Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4
   244 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Hexes
   473 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 4/13 MP: 6/6
   702 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation
  1541 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 6/16 MP: 0/9
  1992 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes
  2283 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 11/21 MP: 6/12
  3505 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes
  3606 | D:3      | Found a glowing drain.
  3729 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 20/24 MP: 11/16
  3774 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  4150 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/28 MP: 19/19
  5506 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  5624 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing
  5687 | D:4      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  5947 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 30/32 MP: 18/21
  6130 | D:4      | Found Klockut's Weapon Shoppe.
  6196 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Stabbing
  6278 | D:4      | Found Pofan's Jewellery Emporium.
  6285 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Stabbing
  6613 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6613 | D:5      | Noticed Ijyb
  6623 | D:5      | Killed Ijyb
  6670 | D:5      | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse
  6690 | D:5      | Noticed Sigmund
  6696 | D:5      | Killed Sigmund
  6826 | D:5      | Noticed Dowan
  6830 | D:5      | Noticed Duvessa
  6836 | D:5      | Killed Dowan
  6836 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 36/36 MP: 18/24
  6857 | D:5      | Killed Duvessa
  7525 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
  7928 | D:6      | Noticed Grinder
  8108 | D:6      | Killed Grinder
  9228 | D:6      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  9234 | D:6      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  9360 | D:7      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  9400 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  9400 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 20/39 MP: 15/25
  9635 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
  9639 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
  9723 | D:7      | Found Gheshad's Food Shoppe.
  9726 | D:7      | Bought a bread ration for 52 gold pieces
  9727 | D:7      | Bought a pear for 10 gold pieces
  9727 | D:7      | Bought a pear for 10 gold pieces
  9738 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Hexes
  9743 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9864 | D:7      | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 10331 | D:7      | Acquired Makhleb's first power
 10434 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
 10550 | D:7      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 10713 | D:8      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 10716 | D:8      | Killed Prince Ribbit
 10868 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes
 10977 | D:8      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 11230 | D:8      | Noticed Grum
 11303 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 25/44 MP: 2/27
 11652 | D:8      | Killed Grum
 11779 | D:8      | Acquired Makhleb's second power
 12098 | D:8      | Noticed Erolcha
 12141 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 12322 | D:8      | Killed Erolcha
 12595 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 12605 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
 12849 | D:9      | Noticed Pikel
 12879 | D:9      | Killed Pikel
 12891 | D:9      | Acquired Makhleb's third power
 12989 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
 12995 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
 13128 | D:9      | Noticed Blork the orc
 13229 | D:9      | Killed Blork the orc
 13229 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 13402 | D:9      | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility
 13643 | D:9      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 13699 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 13804 | D:10     | Reached skill level 11 in Hexes
 13841 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 47/47 MP: 24/30
 13862 | D:10     | HP: 2/47 [orc warrior/broad axe (27)]
 14456 | D:10     | Acquired Makhleb's fourth power
 15112 | D:10     | Noticed Gastronok
 15490 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 15598 | D:11     | Reached skill level 12 in Hexes
 15788 | D:11     | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 15799 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 15809 | D:11     | Acquired Makhleb's fifth power
 16964 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 17375 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
 17800 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 13 in Hexes
 17843 | Lair:2   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 17885 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 18239 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 18245 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 18245 | Lab      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 18249 | Lab      | Got a warped storm dragon armour
 18264 | Lab      | Identified the +11 storm dragon armour "Strammir" (You found it in a labyrinth)
 18284 | Lab      | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
 18292 | Lab      | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
 18300 | Lab      | Paralysed by a potion of paralysis for 2 turns
 19004 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 19225 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 53/53 MP: 17/32
 20267 | Lair:4   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 20296 | Lair:4   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 20386 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Traps & Doors
 20931 | Lair:4   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 20948 | Lair:4   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 21224 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 21617 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 10 in Stabbing
 21974 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 21975 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 22076 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 23936 | Lair:7   | Found a frozen archway.
 23941 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 24004 | IceCv    | Reached XP level 13. HP: 60/60 MP: 10/32
 24348 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 24396 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 24926 | Lair:8   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 24948 | Lair:8   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 24948 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 25027 | Lair:8   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 25033 | Lair:8   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 25348 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
 26549 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 14 in Dodging
 26713 | D:10     | Killed Gastronok
 26978 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 27066 | Orc:1    | Noticed Eustachio
 27074 | Orc:1    | Killed Eustachio
 27392 | Orc:3    | Noticed Sonja
 27397 | Orc:3    | Killed Sonja
 27411 | Orc:3    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 27413 | Orc:3    | Noticed Harold
 27433 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 27489 | Elf:1    | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [mutagenic glow]
 27685 | Orc:3    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 27688 | Orc:3    | Killed Harold
 28570 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 29031 | Orc:4    | Reached XP level 14. HP: 66/66 MP: 13/29
 29050 | Orc:4    | Found Thragaat's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 29347 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 29355 | Orc:4    | Found Bleck's Magical Wand Emporium.
 29532 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 29957 | Orc:4    | Found Safiukk's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 29957 | Orc:4    | Found Sic Aba's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 30052 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of identify for 24 gold pieces
 30490 | Orc:3    | Found Esear's Antique Armour Shop.
 30490 | Orc:3    | Noticed Nessos
 30490 | Orc:3    | Noticed Donald
 30694 | Orc:3    | Killed Donald
 30699 | Orc:3    | Killed Nessos
 30799 | Orc:3    | Found Bonwaom's Distillery.
 30922 | Orc:3    | Bought a potion of brilliance for 37 gold pieces
 30922 | Orc:3    | Bought a potion of poison for 15 gold pieces
 30924 | Orc:3    | Bought a potion of speed for 82 gold pieces
 31501 | D:12     | Noticed Fannar
 31530 | D:12     | Killed Fannar
 32401 | D:13     | Noticed Maurice
 32422 | D:13     | Killed Maurice
 32608 | D:13     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 32616 | D:13     | the staircase to the Lair was a mimic.
 32863 | D:14     | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon
 33155 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth
 33347 | D:14     | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
 34092 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 34929 | D:15     | Noticed Louise
 34937 | D:15     | Killed Louise
 34937 | D:15     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 71/71 MP: 31/31
 35189 | D:15     | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 35769 | D:16     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 35799 | D:16     | Found Arras' General Store.
 36270 | D:16     | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth
 36561 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 36934 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 36986 | Vaults:1 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
 36988 | Vaults:1 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
 38810 | Vaults:1 | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste
 38954 | Vaults:1 | Noticed a frost giant
 38964 | Vaults:1 | Killed a frost giant
 38964 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Stealth
 39139 | Vaults:1 | Noticed an azure jelly
 39139 | Vaults:1 | Noticed a sphinx
 39139 | Vaults:1 | an azure jelly changed into a sphinx
 39145 | Vaults:1 | Killed a sphinx
 39355 | Vaults:1 | Got a glittering tin amulet
 39417 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 78/78 MP: 26/33
 39432 | Vaults:1 | Noticed a frost giant
 39845 | Vaults:1 | Noticed a stone giant
 40394 | Vaults:1 | Killed a frost giant
 40403 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Charms
 40466 | Vaults:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Flight
 40863 | Vaults:2 | Identified the amulet "Pnix" (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults)
 40952 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Stealth
 42881 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 19 in Stealth
 43319 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Xtahua
 43397 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Mennas
 43551 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 85/85 MP: 27/34
 43642 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 43682 | Vaults:4 | Got a bloodstained short sword
 43931 | Vaults:4 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 43934 | Vaults:4 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 43936 | Vaults:4 | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
 43942 | Vaults:4 | Learned a level 5 spell: Silence
 43947 | Vaults:4 | Learned a level 4 spell: Insulation
 43974 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Saint Roka
 44003 | Vaults:4 | Banished Saint Roka
 44003 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 20 in Stealth
 44360 | Vaults:4 | Identified the cursed +0,-5 short sword of Severance (You found it on level 4 of the Vaults)
 44740 | Vaults:5 | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades.
 45195 | Vaults:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Airstrike
 45261 | Vaults:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
 45414 | Vaults:5 | Noticed Wiglaf
 45798 | Vaults:5 | Reached skill level 21 in Stealth
 45851 | Blade    | Entered the Hall of Blades
 46082 | Blade    | Noticed Margery
 47030 | Blade    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 75/90 MP: 36/36
 47545 | Blade    | Reached skill level 22 in Stealth
 47545 | Blade    | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic
 47582 | Blade    | Banished Margery
 48223 | Vaults:4 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 49381 | Crypt:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt
 49638 | Crypt:1  | Reached skill level 23 in Stealth

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Post Tuesday, 9th April 2013, 09:02

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

So you have decided to go the killing route instead of the ninja route. You cast Tornado when you want to give up on the stealth game for that area - surprisingly you can go on a rampage in one section and the rest of the floor may not hear the noise because of walls. Don't rely on that though.

But what do you plan to do while Tornado is doing its job? That answer may well be qBlade of Distortion.

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Post Tuesday, 9th April 2013, 14:42

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

I thought I was already a ninja. I honestly don't really know what I'm doing. I was supposed to die a long time ago and start over as something I know how to play. I followed the guide on the learndb.

http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=hyperbolic

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Post Tuesday, 9th April 2013, 14:54

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

A true ninja doesn't kill what they can't stab. You seek to kill instead of run away. That makes you a hybrid ninja. Or "will make you", as there aren't many "can't stab" targets until lategame so you haven't had to make that decision yet.

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Post Tuesday, 9th April 2013, 16:20

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

I just try to stab almost everything because I'm never sure what I can't stab. I think the only things I haven't been brave enough to try to stab were Mennas and Xtahua.

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Post Tuesday, 9th April 2013, 17:00

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Psieye wrote:A true ninja doesn't kill what they can't stab. You seek to kill instead of run away. That makes you a hybrid ninja. Or "will make you", as there aren't many "can't stab" targets until lategame so you haven't had to make that decision yet.


Is there really a way to steal the orb without actual fight? I can't figure out how.

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Post Tuesday, 9th April 2013, 17:37

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Truth be told, I haven't personally done it myself but chain-teleports are the popular way to do it. It would have been easier in previous versions when Evap Water was still in. Projected Noise too - you can still emulate that noise bait tactic but now you need to actually be near the noise location (and then use a lightning wand or a noise scroll). I read someone's YAVP where they ninja'd the orb at XL:21.

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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 03:55

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Psieye wrote:Truth be told, I haven't personally done it myself

I'm sorry if this sounds mean, but you should have stopped here. None of that other stuff actually works, and in most cases, those strategies are worse than doing nothing.

If you want to ninja the orb, the basic premise is this: put up as many buffs as you can; teleport until you get reasonably close to the orb chamber; apport or run up to the orb; start teleport; pick up the orb.
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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 03:56

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Don't learn tornado my friend, you got the spells you need to swagjack the orb or hell any loot you want from the whole darn place. You could get dig or darkness or something, both are tried-and-true members of the ninja's kit.

And you sure as hell don't need potions of water, just balls. Go to it brother.

e: if I was going to go for a high level spell on your character it would be something in Translocations

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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 04:33

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Too late. I have 15.9 air magic. NO TURNING BACK NOW! I'm gonna open the fucking zigg and make tornadoes in it. I hear those things provide food for the undead race. I'm an orc player myself, I actually met grubby in person at MLG Columbus.

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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 05:54

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Isaiadrenaline wrote:I just try to stab almost everything because I'm never sure what I can't stab. I think the only things I haven't been brave enough to try to stab were Mennas and Xtahua.


Xtahua dies to a sleeping (tier 1) stab just fine, he is not different from normal dragons.

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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 07:05

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Sandman25 wrote:
Isaiadrenaline wrote:I just try to stab almost everything because I'm never sure what I can't stab. I think the only things I haven't been brave enough to try to stab were Mennas and Xtahua.


Xtahua dies to a sleeping (tier 1) stab just fine, he is not different from normal dragons.


Okay. He will die.

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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 07:14

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

I listened to you but I used a fucking escape trap to get to floor four and landed right next the the fucker! DO I PRESS TAB?! I actually just realized how pointless it is for me to ask when I could just post the results. Too late. I asked.

http://i.imgur.com/F2Z2RIB.png

Edit: How do you guys embed images into your posts?

Edit: I'm not drunk






















jk.

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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 08:57

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

mikee wrote:
Psieye wrote:Truth be told, I haven't personally done it myself

I'm sorry if this sounds mean, but you should have stopped here.
You corrected me courteously. That's more than I usually get when I get corrected and I appreciate it.

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Post Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 21:42

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

I JUST GOT THE GOLDEN RUNE OF ZOT

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Post Thursday, 11th April 2013, 00:27

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

Dead.

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Post Thursday, 11th April 2013, 06:39

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

How?

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Post Thursday, 11th April 2013, 07:17

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

I went to hell.

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Post Thursday, 11th April 2013, 08:23

Re: CIP - SpEn Need advice on spells

How appropriate.

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