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Lair Larrikin

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Joined: Tuesday, 4th September 2012, 00:24

Post Tuesday, 4th September 2012, 00:41

YOL (and die) O was CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some...

Im not a total newb to roguelikes but I am pretty new to DCSS. Im on char #6 or so and its been going pretty well with my MiBe. Obviously I am going to get stomped on really soon, and Ive had way too many escape situations already at lev14. What is interesting is that I am taking twice the time of most of the pros around here. Anyway I thought Id post my character to date to see if I get any feedback. I know most people wouldnt post only this far in, but I just wonder if I am doing anything majorly wrong :) Also I have no idea if my skills are on or not. I received this Ive been doing alot of stair dancing, and that has worked pretty well so far, but Ive used up way too many escapes. It was interesting that the abyss is on level one as well. Any tips appreciated. :D
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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.3-5-gf0cc9df character file.

bambi2 the Executioner (Minotaur Berserker)        Turns: 28914, Time: 07:32:14

HP 128/128       AC 18     Str 30      XL: 14   Next: 47%
MP   4/4         EV  7     Int  2      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 2528        SH 16     Dex 10      Spells:  0 memorised, 13 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .    p - +6,+4 dwarf war axe (venom) {god gift}
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  Q - +3 orc chain mail
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .    m - +0 shield {rflct} {Donald}
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    (helmet restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : .    Z - +2 cloak {MR}
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    C - +0 pair of gloves of Omission {Str+3 Int-2
Sust.Abil.: + .     Stasis     : .    g - +0 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    G - square bone amulet {tried}
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    O - ring of protection from magic
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    S - ring of sustain abilities

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 22 of its levels.
You have visited 1 portal chamber: bailey.

You have collected 2610 gold pieces.
You have spent 102 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 f - a glowing orcish mace
 h - an uncursed runed demon blade
 l - a +7,+6 battleaxe of chopping
 p - a +6,+4 dwarven war axe of venom (weapon) {god gift}
 q - a runed orcish dagger (quivered)
 r - a +0,+5 anti-magic dire flail {god gift}
 F - a runed orcish hammer
 J - a +0,+7 anti-magic battleaxe {god gift}
 R - a runed orcish dagger
 X - a +3,+3 dwarven anti-magic hand axe {god gift}
Armour
 g - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 m - a +0 shield of reflection (worn) {Donald}
 C - the +0 pair of gloves of Omission (worn) {Str+3 Int-2}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
 M - the +0 leather armour of Greater Demons {Str+3 Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 Q - a +3 orcish chain mail (worn)
 Z - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of draining {zapped: 3}
 t - a bone wand {zapped: 1} {tried}
 u - a wand of frost {zapped: 2}
 y - a wand of random effects {zapped: 3}
 A - a wand of confusion {zapped: 9}
 N - a wand of random effects
 P - a wand of slowing {zapped: 2}
Comestibles
 c - 6 bread rations
 n - 10 honeycombs
Scrolls
 d - a scroll of detect curse
 o - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 w - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 z - 2 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 i - an uncursed ring of levitation
 G - a square bone amulet (around neck) {tried}
 O - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 S - a ring of sustain abilities (left hand)
Potions
 j - 2 potions of restore abilities
 k - 2 potions of agility
 s - a potion of brilliance
 v - a fizzy green potion
 D - a potion of resistance
 I - a potion of invisibility
 K - 4 potions of confusion
 L - a potion of berserk rage
 T - a potion of heal wounds
 U - a pink potion
Books
 x - an oblong papyrus book   
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.
Miscellaneous
 B - a lantern of shadows


   Skills:
 + Level 15.5 Fighting
 * Level 23.0 Axes
 - Level 8.3 Armour
 - Level 10.9 Dodging


You have 13 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/27)            Temple (0/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:9
   Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (0/5) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
  Snake (0/5) Lair:4     
   Elf: Orc:3-4     

Altars:
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Xom
Zin
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
D:4: /*  D:9: /  D:10: =

Portals:
Abyss: D:1


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

The orc warrior is almost dead.
You slice the orc warrior!!
You kill the orc warrior!
Trog accepts your kill.
Things that are here:
an uncursed orcish broad axe; an uncursed orcish crossbow; 23 bolts
You can't stomach food right now!
You see here a runed bolt.
Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel, g - get item
An orcish dagger.
A floor, spattered with blood.
You start searching.
Your stomach is not as upset anymore, and you need some food.
Done searching.
You drop 3 rotting chunks of orc flesh.
You continue eating.
You finish eating. That honeycomb was delicious!
Welcome back, bambi2 the Minotaur Berserker.
Trog says: Kill them all!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Jozef (Orc:3)
  Josephine (D:10)
  Erica (Lair:3)
  A hydra (Lair:8)
  A spriggan druid (Lair:4)
  Nergalle (Orc:3)
  Erolcha (D:9)
  3 orc knights
  4 death yaks
  Pikel (D:4)
  Urug (D:10)
  Joseph (D:10)
  A trapdoor spider zombie (D:10)
  A black mamba (Lair:8)
  A feature mimic (Lair:5)
  28 spiny frogs
  13 elephants
  Maurice (D:9)
  A redback (Lair:6)
  7 polar bears
  11 komodo dragons
  10 grizzly bears
  2 basilisks
  A wyvern (Lair:5)
  35 blink frogs
  17 yaks
  4 fire drakes
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  3 hippogriffs
  12 war dogs
  Edmund (D:6)
  Menkaure (D:6)
  9 vampire mosquitoes
  A small abomination (D:7)
  6 black bears
  17 orc warriors
  3 giant goldfish
  A sky beast (D:7)
  A cyclops skeleton (D:10)
  2 centaurs
  A rock worm zombie (D:10)
  An ice beast (D:9)
  5 ogres
  A swamp drake (D:9)
  5 boring beetles
  12 crocodiles
  2 wargs (Orc:3)
  A lava worm (D:8)
  3 yak skeletons (D:10)
  Duvessa (D:4)
  3 nagas (Lair:4)
  8 giant slugs
  11 water moccasins
  19 giant frogs
  A brain worm (Lair:5)
  A big kobold (D:9)
  7 agate snails
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  4 giant leeches (Lair:8)
  An eye of draining (D:9)
  A boulder beetle (Lair:8)
  A jellyfish (D:7)
  A lava fish (D:8)
  A killer bee zombie (D:6)
  2 electric eels
  A crocodile zombie (D:10)
  A hound zombie (D:9)
  A big kobold skeleton (D:9)
  6 crimson imps
  A goliath beetle (D:7)
  The ghost of death the Charmwright, an average NaSk (D:5)
  The ghost of death the Charmwright, an average NaSk of Okawaru (D:6)
  Dowan (D:4)
  5 hounds
  A shadow (D:9)
  2 scorpions
  7 worker ants
  A hound skeleton (D:4)
  12 orc priests
  16 orc wizards
  4 porcupines
  A worker ant zombie (D:8)
  7 iguanas
  12 sheep
  Ijyb (D:6)
  2 jellies (D:9)
  8 gnolls
  61 green rats
  23 adders
  3 giant centipedes
  An adder skeleton (D:7)
  A white imp (D:7)
  7 worms
  An ufetubus (D:7)
  A bat zombie (D:7)
  8 giant geckos
  4 oozes
  111 orcs
  30 bats
  5 giant cockroaches
  24 goblins
  19 hobgoblins
  11 jackals
  33 kobolds
  11 quokkas
  2 ball pythons (D:1)
  11 giant newts
  2 orc skeletons
  19 rats
  4 fungi
  10 plants
  10 toadstools
806 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Donald (Orc:3)
  A hydra (Lair:5)
  A blink frog (Lair:5)
  Eustachio (D:7)
  A crimson imp (D:7)
  An iron imp (D:7)
  An orc (Port)
7 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A small abomination (D:8)
  A giant frog (Lair:8)
  A porcupine (Lair:7)
  A green rat (Lair:7)
  An orc (D:4)
  2 goblins
  3 jackals
  A rat (D:5)
  24 fungi
  13 plants
  19 toadstools
67 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 880 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | bambi2, the Minotaur Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   146 | D:1      | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
   146 | D:1      | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
   146 | D:1      | Noticed a quasit
   147 | D:1      | Noticed a quasit
   148 | D:1      | Noticed a quasit
   186 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 2/26 MP: 0/0
   587 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
   969 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/33 MP: 1/1
  1076 | D:1      | Acquired Trog's second power
  1221 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  1350 | D:2      | Noticed a crimson imp
  1366 | D:2      | Killed a crimson imp
  1366 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 33/40 MP: 1/1
  2138 | D:4      | Found Zathraus' Assorted Antiques.
  2138 | D:4      | Noticed Dowan
  2140 | D:4      | Noticed Duvessa
  2383 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  2643 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 42/47 MP: 1/1
  3653 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  3653 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 47/55 MP: 2/2
  3798 | D:4      | Killed Duvessa
  3827 | D:4      | Killed Dowan
  3968 | D:4      | Noticed Pikel
  3992 | D:4      | Killed Pikel
  3992 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  3992 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/62 MP: 2/2
  4271 | D:4      | Got an encrusted leather armour
  4280 | D:4      | Identified the +0 leather armour of Greater Demons (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  4378 | D:4      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  4378 | D:4      | Bought a fuming yellow potion for 13 gold pieces
  4562 | D:4      | Acquired Trog's third power
  4590 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 70/70 MP: 2/2
  4651 | D:4      | Found Miyhoocs' Magical Wand Boutique.
  4667 | D:4      | Bought a wand of magic darts (16) for 59 gold pieces
  4865 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4878 | D:5      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  5159 | D:5      | Noticed death's ghost (average NaSk)
  5176 | D:5      | Killed death's ghost
  5202 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5434 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
  5510 | D:6      | Noticed Ijyb
  5518 | D:6      | Noticed death's ghost (average NaSk)
  5520 | D:6      | Killed Ijyb
  5529 | D:6      | Killed death's ghost
  6066 | D:6      | Noticed Edmund
  6078 | D:6      | Killed Edmund
  6100 | D:6      | Noticed Blork the orc
  6109 | D:6      | Killed Blork the orc
  6354 | D:6      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  6499 | D:6      | Noticed Menkaure
  6507 | D:6      | Killed Menkaure
  6507 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 79/79 MP: 3/3
  6605 | D:7      | Noticed Eustachio
  6625 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
  6847 | D:7      | Killed Eustachio
  7849 | D:8      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  8094 | D:8      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  8232 | D:8      | Got a transparent robe
  8242 | D:8      | Identified the cursed -3 robe of the Guilds (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
  8407 | D:9      | Found a flagged portal.
  8458 | bailey   | Entered the bailey
  8555 | bailey   | Received a gift from Trog
  8732 | bailey   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  8732 | bailey   | Reached XP level 10. HP: 57/88 MP: 3/3
  8736 | bailey   | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  8897 | bailey   | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8920 | bailey   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  9040 | D:9      | Noticed Maurice
  9046 | D:9      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 76/80 MP: 2/3
  9076 | D:9      | Killed Maurice
  9506 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  9697 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 65/89 MP: 3/3
  9710 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9970 | D:9      | Noticed Erolcha
  9990 | D:9      | Killed Erolcha
  9990 | D:9      | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
 10216 | D:9      | Found Kefoij's Magical Wand Boutique.
 10441 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10450 | D:10     | Noticed Joseph
 10467 | D:10     | Killed Joseph
 10782 | D:10     | Found Naizief's Jewellery Boutique.
 10819 | D:10     | Noticed a giant slug
 10834 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 10835 | D:10     | Noticed Urug
 10850 | D:10     | Killed Urug
 11247 | D:10     | Noticed Josephine
 11260 | D:10     | Noticed a yak skeleton
 11268 | D:10     | Killed Josephine
 11268 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 97/97 MP: 3/3
 11270 | D:10     | Killed a yak skeleton
 11285 | D:10     | Noticed a cyclops skeleton
 11286 | D:10     | Noticed a yak skeleton
 11296 | D:10     | Killed a yak skeleton
 11296 | D:10     | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 11305 | D:10     | Killed a cyclops skeleton
 11306 | D:10     | Received a gift from Trog
 11493 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11505 | D:10     | Killed a giant slug
 11606 | D:10     | Noticed a yak skeleton
 11615 | D:10     | Killed a yak skeleton
 11775 | D:10     | Noticed an agate snail
 11799 | D:10     | Killed an agate snail
 12574 | Lair:1   | Got a pair of polished gloves
 12577 | Lair:1   | Identified the cursed +0 pair of gloves of Omission (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 13174 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
 13810 | Lair:3   | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13827 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
 13870 | Lair:3   | Noticed Erica
 13877 | Lair:3   | Killed Erica
 14057 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
 14545 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 14769 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 14769 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
 14899 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 95/106 MP: 4/4
 15379 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 17 in Axes
 15684 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 18 in Axes
 16164 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 16313 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 16460 | Lair:5   | Noticed a brain worm
 16524 | Lair:5   | Killed a brain worm
 17269 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 19 in Axes
 17506 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 17506 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 17728 | Lair:6   | Noticed a redback
 17737 | Lair:6   | Killed a redback
 18013 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 18865 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 100/114 MP: 4/4
 18928 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 20 in Axes
 19208 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Trog
 19392 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 21191 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 21515 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 21 in Axes
 23505 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 22 in Axes
 24218 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 107/126 MP: 4/4
 24865 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 25043 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 26107 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 27269 | Orc:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 27281 | Orc:3    | Noticed Nergalle
 27289 | Orc:3    | Noticed Donald
 27292 | Orc:3    | Killed Nergalle
 27710 | Orc:3    | Killed Donald
 27785 | Orc:3    | Noticed Jozef
 27802 | Orc:3    | Killed Jozef
 27973 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 23 in Axes
 28012 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
Last edited by yoshi on Saturday, 8th September 2012, 01:47, edited 1 time in total.

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Tuesday, 4th September 2012, 00:51

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

The shield might sound neat when you read the description, but it's not nearly as useful as it sounds. Furthermore, axes are a weapon class that is heavily biased towards two-handed weapons, and you don't have any shield skill anyway. Either one of these factors should be enough to eliminate wearing the shield as a serious consideration. Your battleaxe of chopping is quite powerful and will be satisfactory until you get something even better, but the battleaxe of antimagic is also quite good. War axes and hand axes are rubbish, and you might as well drop them.

Be sure to properly identify that amulet. It could be inaccuracy or stasis, either of which would be very bad to constantly wear.

Crypt Cleanser

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Joined: Monday, 14th February 2011, 05:35

Post Tuesday, 4th September 2012, 14:23

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

You would also have better results if you put on the heaviest armour you can find (most likely plate), turned on armour, and turned off fighting for a while. To figure out the skill system, just try to pay attention to what you are getting out of your skill increases for what you are putting in. Right now, you have all of this dodging, but it's not really giving you good EV in that chain mail, is it?

Another character trait to be aware of is stats - I see you have put all of your stat increases into STR, leaving you with a base INT of 4 and a current INT of 2. This is actually pretty bad - STR is doing very little for you, and if your INT were to ever reach 0, your character would quickly pass out and die. When playing any character, try to keep your lowest stat at at least 8.

Experience with other roguelikes should help you with the basic tactics of DCSS - which roguelikes have you played before?
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Lair Larrikin

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Post Tuesday, 4th September 2012, 15:32

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

KoboldLord wrote:The shield might sound neat when you read the description, but it's not nearly as useful as it sounds. Furthermore, axes are a weapon class that is heavily biased towards two-handed weapons, and you don't have any shield skill anyway. Either one of these factors should be enough to eliminate wearing the shield as a serious consideration. Your battleaxe of chopping is quite powerful and will be satisfactory until you get something even better, but the battleaxe of antimagic is also quite good. War axes and hand axes are rubbish, and you might as well drop them.

Be sure to properly identify that amulet. It could be inaccuracy or stasis, either of which would be very bad to constantly wear.


Thanks for your advice. I have been switching between this and the axe of chopping, trying to decide which is better, as well as all the other axes that trog keeps raining down on me.

On level 4 I obtained a +0 leather armor of Greater Demons artifact that was +3 str,dex, and have been having a hard time not wearing it, bu I think I have outgrown it at this point and need a decent set of armor. One problem I face is im being inundated with magical weapons and armor. I suppose if its not an axe, I simply shouldnt mess with it.

Armor on the other hand has been a bit trickier. I guess since I have enough remove curses I should start wearing, and see what happens.

Going further (however longer I live :) what skills should I train? Evocations for wands? I currently have no range attacks, should I train up bow or throwing?

Thanks for the tip on the amulet. I dont think it is a stasis, because I blinked to save my char not long ago. :)

mikee wrote:You would also have better results if you put on the heaviest armour you can find (most likely plate), turned on armour, and turned off fighting for a while. To figure out the skill system, just try to pay attention to what you are getting out of your skill increases for what you are putting in. Right now, you have all of this dodging, but it's not really giving you good EV in that chain mail, is it?

Another character trait to be aware of is stats - I see you have put all of your stat increases into STR, leaving you with a base INT of 4 and a current INT of 2. This is actually pretty bad - STR is doing very little for you, and if your INT were to ever reach 0, your character would quickly pass out and die. When playing any character, try to keep your lowest stat at at least 8.

Experience with other roguelikes should help you with the basic tactics of DCSS - which roguelikes have you played before?


This was exactly what I was looking for as well Mikee. I do have a ring of sustain abilities to protect against stat death, but didnt realize that the str wasnt adding to my damage/hp. I will try to up int immediately. I will also try to get some plate asap. I played nethack for quite a while, although cant say I went that far. I think the ancient interface is a turnoff so basically gave up. I really like DCSS for the awesome interface. It helps that I can generally stay alive longer than on nethack :) I even dug out an old usb numpad so I could play better on my netbook ( I think it would be hard to get used to the vi keys.)

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Post Tuesday, 4th September 2012, 16:04

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

I found the vi keys strange to use at first, but surprisingly quickly they became second nature. It just takes a little practice, and it's so handy not having to have an extra keypad hanging around. (Though I did find the extra keys useful for macros.)

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Post Tuesday, 4th September 2012, 22:24

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

BlackSheep wrote:I found the vi keys strange to use at first, but surprisingly quickly they became second nature. It just takes a little practice, and it's so handy not having to have an extra keypad hanging around. (Though I did find the extra keys useful for macros.)


Heh ill work on it a bit

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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 00:08

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

Strength and Dex do add to your damage (different weighting depending on the weapon - big 2hander axes are entirely strength) but it's not a very large bonus, and not dying to stat death is more important. The leather armour you mentioned is pretty much worthless for your character - the stat bonuses are insignificant, and it gives no resistances and very little AC. With a MiBe you probably won't be casting spells (definitely if you're going for a basic three-rune win), so as a rule you should go for the heaviest, highest-AC armour you can find.

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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 01:44

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

Stat death is not a thing you should worry about.

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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 01:54

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

What, of course it is. You've used Sequell... I assume you've seen how many people have died to stat loss. Now imagine the people who died indirectly to stat loss (e.g., while paralyzed) or the people who didn't die but had problems because of it.
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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 06:37

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

mikee wrote:What, of course it is. You've used Sequell... I assume you've seen how many people have died to stat loss. Now imagine the people who died indirectly to stat loss (e.g., while paralyzed) or the people who didn't die but had problems because of it.


?? not sure if you misread.. stat loss != stat death?

But yes, I maintain that it is a colossal waste of time to even tell a new player about stat death, much less make them take precautions to avoid it. They are going to die scores of times before ever seeing an OCS or zot trap, and the first time they die to stat death (if ever) they will learn the lesson that they need to. Which nowadays is less "omg you need at least 8 of each stat" and more "carry some stat restoration."

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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 06:41

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

edit: I just read the -whole- thread and noticed that he has an Int of 2. Okay, yes, that's a bit of an issue. Stats at 4 are not a big deal nowadays though. I dislike telling a new player that they have to raise stats to 8 because that's not really relevant nowadays.
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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 07:25

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

So what is the minimum stat you're willing to walk around with? My TrAr with the shield of dullness had maybe 4, but ascended with 5. I guess 4 is my limit.
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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 07:33

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

I'd walk around with 1 if I had a good supply of restore abilities and preservation.

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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 12:17

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

yogaFLAME wrote:
mikee wrote:What, of course it is. You've used Sequell... I assume you've seen how many people have died to stat loss. Now imagine the people who died indirectly to stat loss (e.g., while paralyzed) or the people who didn't die but had problems because of it.


?? not sure if you misread.. stat loss != stat death?

But yes, I maintain that it is a colossal waste of time to even tell a new player about stat death, much less make them take precautions to avoid it. They are going to die scores of times before ever seeing an OCS or zot trap, and the first time they die to stat death (if ever) they will learn the lesson that they need to. Which nowadays is less "omg you need at least 8 of each stat" and more "carry some stat restoration."


Actually I ran into OCS with this character(probably my sixth or so) (with his int of 2) at the bottom of the orc mines, but I survived unscathed and he is still standing at D15 after clearing orc mines and lair. but I appreciate all the feedback your comments have generated.

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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 13:28

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

The point is that new players often do not know what to do with their stats. This is something they can do with their stats that has a real purpose behind it. And the real danger and limitation is not OCS/zot trap, even though you can see them before finishing lair - it is equipment.

Really, I do welcome opinions that aren't my own, but why do people seem to pick the dumbest things to argue with me about? It's not like I am making this stuff up. Probably I could say that a vorpal club is a bad weapon, and the next post will be a quote from the wiki about good things that vorpal does.
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Post Wednesday, 5th September 2012, 14:12

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

Yeah -- running around with a low enough stat that that putting on some un-id'd ring or randart can put you at 0 is a good way to die a stupid death. If you know the things that can save you (and keep close tabs on your inventory!) then you can do it safely, but "wait I used my last remove curse scroll? well I have !brilliance... oh wait there was that thing with the #*!$ orc wizard.... ffffffffffffff" deaths are of the "let's put this game away for a few weeks" variety.

WRT shields of reflection: be particularly careful with them (actually, don't use them at all) if you have followers -- allies (and gods) consider reflected ammo to be your fault. The only thing that sucks more than getting ambushed by a centaur pack while fighting Mara is having your summoned Brother or Executioner turn all hostile from a reflected arrow while you're dealing with the centaurs and Mara too.

(Brothers get aggro'd like everything else, right? I've never been suicidal enough to experiment with that...)
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Post Thursday, 6th September 2012, 01:03

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

njvack wrote:Yeah -- running around with a low enough stat that that putting on some un-id'd ring or randart can put you at 0 is a good way to die a stupid death. If you know the things that can save you (and keep close tabs on your inventory!) then you can do it safely, but "wait I used my last remove curse scroll? well I have !brilliance... oh wait there was that thing with the #*!$ orc wizard.... ffffffffffffff" deaths are of the "let's put this game away for a few weeks" variety.



Geez I just wielded the Staff of Disharmony and got dropped down to -1 INT for a few turns. And then I read the remove curse scroll and it failed..I was sweating it haha, but google turned out to be a friend. How many turns could I have remained brainless before I died?
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Post Thursday, 6th September 2012, 02:04

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Henzell says 90.
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Post Thursday, 6th September 2012, 17:16

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yoshi wrote:Geez I just wielded the Staff of Disharmony and got dropped down to -1 INT for a few turns. And then I read the remove curse scroll and it failed..I was sweating it haha, but google turned out to be a friend. How many turns could I have remained brainless before I died?

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Post Friday, 7th September 2012, 00:36

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

njvack wrote:
yoshi wrote:Geez I just wielded the Staff of Disharmony and got dropped down to -1 INT for a few turns. And then I read the remove curse scroll and it failed..I was sweating it haha, but google turned out to be a friend. How many turns could I have remained brainless before I died?

I hate this feature.


Which one? The Google search or the fact I didnt instantly die?

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Post Friday, 7th September 2012, 00:43

Re: CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some small guidance

Scroll failure with Int zero or less.

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Post Friday, 7th September 2012, 23:36

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A promising newbie MiBe is about to meet his end. The $%^# naga mages teleported me into this mess right as I was about to climb the stairs to escape... Bahh if I would have known better I would have cast fear earlier. Any advice on what to do? Im thinking fear, run up, attempt to blink to upper right where there are some stairs. Ask ol Trog for regen first.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.3-5-gf0cc9df character file.

bambi2 the Executioner (Minotaur Berserker)        Turns: 54221, Time: 14:52:40

HP  62/151       AC 23     Str 31      XL: 17   Next:  5%
MP   1/1         EV 14     Int  5      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 727         SH  0     Dex 10      Spells:  0 memorised, 16 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .    l - +1,+6 executioner's axe (antimagic) {god g
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  T - +2 ring mail {rPois}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +    (no shield)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    (helmet restricted)
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : .    Z - +2 cloak {MR}
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    s - +1 pair of gloves {Str+3}
Sust.Abil.: + .     Stasis     : .    g - +0 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    G - amulet of conservation
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    f - +5 ring of protection
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    S - ring of sustain abilities

@: exhausted, mildly poisoned, quite resistant to hostile enchantments,
extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, deterioration 2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You are on level 5 of the Snake Pit.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 35 of its levels.
You have visited 1 Labyrinth.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have visited 1 portal chamber: bailey.

You have collected 3712 gold pieces.
You have spent 3005 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 h - a +3,+3 dwarven anti-magic hand axe (quivered) {god gift}
 l - a +1,+6 anti-magic executioner's axe (weapon) {god gift}
 r - a +0,+5 anti-magic dire flail {god gift}
 x - the -1,+9 battleaxe of Boixeez {god gift, chop, Str+4 Int+1}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
Armour
 g - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 s - a +1 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 F - a +2 fire dragon armour
 T - a +2 ring mail of poison resistance (worn)
 Z - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 4}
 j - a wand of polymorph other
 t - a wand of digging (2)
 u - a wand of frost {zapped: 4}
 y - a wand of random effects {zapped: 6}
 A - a wand of confusion {zapped: 11}
 B - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 15}
 E - a wand of cold {zapped: 2}
 N - a wand of paralysis (13)
 O - a wand of polymorph other (1)
 U - a wand of disintegration
 W - a wand of slowing {zapped: 11}
Comestibles
 c - 9 bread rations
 D - an apricot
 L - a snozzcumber
 V - a rotting chunk of adder flesh
 X - a beef jerky
Scrolls
 a - a scroll of identify
 d - 2 scrolls of detect curse
 p - a scroll of fear
 w - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 z - a scroll of fog
 C - a scroll of blinking
 J - a scroll labeled MAMMEKH NUAL
Jewellery
 f - a +5 ring of protection (right hand)
 i - an uncursed ring of levitation
 n - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 G - an amulet of conservation (around neck)
 M - an uncursed amulet of controlled flight
 S - a ring of sustain abilities (left hand)
Potions
 e - a potion of speed
 k - a potion of agility
 o - 2 potions of restore abilities
 v - a potion of heal wounds
 I - a potion of invisibility
 K - a potion of levitation
 Q - a potion of berserk rage
 R - 2 potions of curing
 Y - a potion of magic
Books
 m - a metal-bound book   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.
 H - a leatherbound book   
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.


   Skills:
 - Level 15.5 Fighting
 - Level 26.1 Axes
 * Level 15.9 Armour
 - Level 10.9 Dodging
 + Level 4.2 Traps & Doors


You have 16 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (18/27)            Temple (0/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (0/5) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (0/5) Lair:6
  Slime (0/6) Lair:6        Snake (5/5) Lair:4        Vault (0/8) D:16

Altars:
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Trog
Xom
Zin
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
D:4: /*  D:9: /  D:10: =  D:13: (  D:17: (  Orc:4: *((+

Portals:
Abyss: D:1
Trove: D:14 (give +3 gold dragon armour)

Annotations
D:13 exclusion: door
Orc:4 exclusion: orange crystal statue


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
Your body is deteriorating.


Message History

A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a long sword.
The naga mage shouts!
A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a scimitar.
The naga mage shouts!
A guardian serpent comes into view.
The guardian serpent shouts!
A black mamba comes into view.
The black mamba hisses angrily.
The naga mage gestures at you while chanting.
You resist.
The naga warrior spits poison at you.
The splash of poison misses you.
The naga mage points at you and mumbles some strange words.
The bolt of poison hits you!
You are more poisoned.
Found a serpentine rune of Zot.
An adder comes into view.
Press: ? - help, . - travel
You can't see that place.
Unknown command.

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You can see 2 naga warriors, a greater naga, a guardian serpent, a black mamba, 4 naga magi and 2 adders.

Vanquished Creatures
  Nikola (Snake:3)
  A stone giant (Orc:4)
  3 greater nagas (Snake:5)
  Jozef (Orc:3)
  Snorg (Snake:2)
  3 anacondas
  2 death oozes (Snake:3)
  A dragon (D:15)
  A vault guard (D:14)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  Josephine (D:10)
  Erica (Lair:3)
  4 hydras
  A spriggan druid (Lair:4)
  2 centaur warriors
  A sphinx skeleton (D:17)
  Nergalle (Orc:3)
  An orc high priest (Orc:3)
  A stone giant skeleton (D:18)
  Erolcha (D:9)
  3 naga warriors
  8 orc knights
  4 death yaks
  7 hill giants
  Pikel (D:4)
  3 guardian serpents
  Urug (D:10)
  A minotaur zombie (Lab)
  Joseph (D:10)
  3 griffons
  6 cyclopes
  A hydra zombie (D:14)
  A hydra skeleton (D:17)
  29 slime creatures
  A trapdoor spider zombie (D:10)
  13 black mambas
  7 feature mimics
  An elephant slug (Lair:4)
  28 spiny frogs
  A trapdoor spider (D:14)
  13 elephants
  3 naga magi
  A hill giant zombie (D:14)
  A rock troll (D:18)
  4 ugly things (D:18)
  Sonja (D:13)
  A hill giant skeleton (D:15)
  Maurice (D:9)
  7 trolls
  A redback (Lair:6)
  7 polar bears
  12 komodo dragons
  2 brown oozes (Snake:3)
  10 grizzly bears
  2 basilisks
  2 rock troll skeletons (D:16)
  A wraith (D:18)
  2 wyverns
  35 blink frogs
  A basilisk (shapeshifter) (D:18)
  33 yaks
  4 fire drakes
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  7 hippogriffs
  A steam dragon (D:15)
  A rock worm (D:16)
  12 war dogs
  A fire drake (shapeshifter) (D:17)
  A manticore (D:17)
  A deep elf fighter (D:15)
  Edmund (D:6)
  3 mottled dragons
  A necrophage (D:14)
  Menkaure (D:6)
  2 soldier ants
  A cyclops zombie (D:17)
  22 vampire mosquitoes
  A small abomination (D:7)
  6 black bears
  55 orc warriors
  3 giant goldfish
  A sky beast (D:7)
  A cyclops skeleton (D:10)
  2 phantoms
  16 centaurs
  A rock worm zombie (D:10)
  3 ice beasts
  9 ogres
  A swamp drake (D:9)
  5 boring beetles
  13 crocodiles
  7 wargs
  A lava worm (D:8)
  3 yak skeletons (D:10)
  Duvessa (D:4)
  38 nagas
  8 giant slugs
  44 water moccasins
  27 giant frogs
  A brain worm (Lair:5)
  6 big kobolds
  7 agate snails
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  4 giant leeches (Lair:8)
  3 eyes of draining
  A boulder beetle (Lair:8)
  A jellyfish (D:7)
  3 killer bees (D:14)
  A lava fish (D:8)
  A killer bee zombie (D:6)
  5 wights (D:12)
  7 electric eels
  A crocodile zombie (D:10)
  2 hound zombies
  2 big kobold skeletons
  11 crimson imps
  2 goliath beetles
  The ghost of death the Charmwright, an average NaSk of Okawaru (D:6)
  The ghost of death the Charmwright, an average NaSk (D:5)
  Dowan (D:4)
  7 hounds
  2 shadows
  4 scorpions
  8 worker ants
  A hound skeleton (D:4)
  A big fish (D:15)
  24 orc priests
  25 orc wizards
  4 porcupines
  A worker ant zombie (D:8)
  10 iguanas
  14 sheep
  Ijyb (D:6)
  12 jellies
  A mummy (D:12)
  8 gnolls
  61 green rats
  57 adders
  4 giant centipedes
  A giant centipede zombie (D:14)
  An adder skeleton (D:7)
  A giant mite (Lair:3)
  A white imp (D:7)
  8 worms
  An ufetubus (D:7)
  A bat zombie (D:7)
  9 giant geckos
  12 oozes
  214 orcs
  33 bats
  5 giant cockroaches
  29 goblins
  25 hobgoblins
  18 jackals
  43 kobolds
  13 quokkas
  3 ball pythons
  11 giant newts
  A kobold skeleton (D:13)
  2 orc skeletons
  23 rats
  4 fungi
  11 plants
  17 toadstools
1389 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Agnes (Snake:3)
  Donald (Orc:3)
  A yaktaur captain (D:16)
  A hydra (Lair:5)
  2 yaktaurs (D:16)
  Psyche (D:13)
  A blink frog (Lair:5)
  Eustachio (D:7)
  3 centaurs (D:13)
  A naga (Snake:3)
  An eye of draining (D:16)
  A crimson imp (D:7)
  An iron imp (D:7)
  An adder (Snake:3)
  4 orcs
21 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A two-headed ogre (D:13)
  A hill giant zombie (D:13)
  A small abomination (D:8)
  An orc warrior (D:15)
  A centaur (D:13)
  A water moccasin (Snake:4)
  A giant frog (Lair:8)
  An orc wizard (D:16)
  A porcupine (Lair:7)
  3 adders
  A green rat (Lair:7)
  4 orcs
  2 goblins
  3 jackals
  2 kobolds (D:13)
  A rat (D:5)
  24 fungi
  13 plants
  46 toadstools
108 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1518 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | bambi2, the Minotaur Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   146 | D:1      | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
   146 | D:1      | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
   146 | D:1      | Noticed a quasit
   147 | D:1      | Noticed a quasit
   148 | D:1      | Noticed a quasit
   186 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 2/26 MP: 0/0
   587 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
   969 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/33 MP: 1/1
  1076 | D:1      | Acquired Trog's second power
  1221 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  1350 | D:2      | Noticed a crimson imp
  1366 | D:2      | Killed a crimson imp
  1366 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 33/40 MP: 1/1
  2138 | D:4      | Found Zathraus' Assorted Antiques.
  2138 | D:4      | Noticed Dowan
  2140 | D:4      | Noticed Duvessa
  2383 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  2643 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 42/47 MP: 1/1
  3653 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  3653 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 47/55 MP: 2/2
  3798 | D:4      | Killed Duvessa
  3827 | D:4      | Killed Dowan
  3968 | D:4      | Noticed Pikel
  3992 | D:4      | Killed Pikel
  3992 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  3992 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/62 MP: 2/2
  4271 | D:4      | Got an encrusted leather armour
  4280 | D:4      | Identified the +0 leather armour of Greater Demons (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  4378 | D:4      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  4378 | D:4      | Bought a fuming yellow potion for 13 gold pieces
  4562 | D:4      | Acquired Trog's third power
  4590 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 70/70 MP: 2/2
  4651 | D:4      | Found Miyhoocs' Magical Wand Boutique.
  4667 | D:4      | Bought a wand of magic darts (16) for 59 gold pieces
  4865 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4878 | D:5      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  5159 | D:5      | Noticed death's ghost (average NaSk)
  5176 | D:5      | Killed death's ghost
  5202 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5434 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
  5510 | D:6      | Noticed Ijyb
  5518 | D:6      | Noticed death's ghost (average NaSk)
  5520 | D:6      | Killed Ijyb
  5529 | D:6      | Killed death's ghost
  6066 | D:6      | Noticed Edmund
  6078 | D:6      | Killed Edmund
  6100 | D:6      | Noticed Blork the orc
  6109 | D:6      | Killed Blork the orc
  6354 | D:6      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  6499 | D:6      | Noticed Menkaure
  6507 | D:6      | Killed Menkaure
  6507 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 79/79 MP: 3/3
  6605 | D:7      | Noticed Eustachio
  6625 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
  6847 | D:7      | Killed Eustachio
  7849 | D:8      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  8094 | D:8      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  8232 | D:8      | Got a transparent robe
  8242 | D:8      | Identified the cursed -3 robe of the Guilds (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
  8407 | D:9      | Found a flagged portal.
  8458 | bailey   | Entered the bailey
  8555 | bailey   | Received a gift from Trog
  8732 | bailey   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  8732 | bailey   | Reached XP level 10. HP: 57/88 MP: 3/3
  8736 | bailey   | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  8897 | bailey   | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8920 | bailey   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  9040 | D:9      | Noticed Maurice
  9046 | D:9      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 76/80 MP: 2/3
  9076 | D:9      | Killed Maurice
  9506 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  9697 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 65/89 MP: 3/3
  9710 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9970 | D:9      | Noticed Erolcha
  9990 | D:9      | Killed Erolcha
  9990 | D:9      | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
 10216 | D:9      | Found Kefoij's Magical Wand Boutique.
 10441 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10450 | D:10     | Noticed Joseph
 10467 | D:10     | Killed Joseph
 10782 | D:10     | Found Naizief's Jewellery Boutique.
 10819 | D:10     | Noticed a giant slug
 10834 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 10835 | D:10     | Noticed Urug
 10850 | D:10     | Killed Urug
 11247 | D:10     | Noticed Josephine
 11260 | D:10     | Noticed a yak skeleton
 11268 | D:10     | Killed Josephine
 11268 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 97/97 MP: 3/3
 11270 | D:10     | Killed a yak skeleton
 11285 | D:10     | Noticed a cyclops skeleton
 11286 | D:10     | Noticed a yak skeleton
 11296 | D:10     | Killed a yak skeleton
 11296 | D:10     | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 11305 | D:10     | Killed a cyclops skeleton
 11306 | D:10     | Received a gift from Trog
 11493 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11505 | D:10     | Killed a giant slug
 11606 | D:10     | Noticed a yak skeleton
 11615 | D:10     | Killed a yak skeleton
 11775 | D:10     | Noticed an agate snail
 11799 | D:10     | Killed an agate snail
 12574 | Lair:1   | Got a pair of polished gloves
 12577 | Lair:1   | Identified the cursed +0 pair of gloves of Omission (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 13174 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
 13810 | Lair:3   | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 13827 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
 13870 | Lair:3   | Noticed Erica
 13877 | Lair:3   | Killed Erica
 14057 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
 14545 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 14769 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 14769 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
 14899 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 95/106 MP: 4/4
 15379 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 17 in Axes
 15684 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 18 in Axes
 16164 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 16313 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 16460 | Lair:5   | Noticed a brain worm
 16524 | Lair:5   | Killed a brain worm
 17269 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 19 in Axes
 17506 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 17506 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 17728 | Lair:6   | Noticed a redback
 17737 | Lair:6   | Killed a redback
 18013 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 18865 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 100/114 MP: 4/4
 18928 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 20 in Axes
 19208 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Trog
 19392 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 21191 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 21515 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 21 in Axes
 23505 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 22 in Axes
 24218 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 107/126 MP: 4/4
 24865 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 25043 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 26107 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 27269 | Orc:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 27281 | Orc:3    | Noticed Nergalle
 27289 | Orc:3    | Noticed Donald
 27292 | Orc:3    | Killed Nergalle
 27710 | Orc:3    | Killed Donald
 27785 | Orc:3    | Noticed Jozef
 27802 | Orc:3    | Killed Jozef
 27973 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 23 in Axes
 28012 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 30235 | Orc:4    | Found Shujac's Weapon Emporium.
 30235 | Orc:4    | Found Wiamm's Weapon Shop.
 30238 | Orc:4    | Found Threchin's Book Boutique.
 30240 | Orc:4    | Found Qeloliko's Assorted Antiques.
 30252 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll labeled WURA MAFROUWODIOR for 38 gold pieces
 30252 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of identify for 76 gold pieces
 30341 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 30631 | Orc:4    | Noticed a stone giant
 30663 | Orc:4    | Killed a stone giant
 31375 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 31375 | Orc:4    | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 31497 | Orc:3    | Noticed an orc high priest
 31501 | Orc:3    | Killed an orc high priest
 32637 | D:11     | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute (Int +1).
 32673 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 33626 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 33784 | D:13     | Found Maanidus' Weapon Shop.
 33845 | D:13     | Lost mutation: Your mind is acute (Int +1).
 33866 | D:13     | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating.
 33886 | D:13     | Gained mutation: Your body is deteriorating.
 34189 | D:14     | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon
 34258 | D:13     | Got a crude turquoise ring
 34275 | D:13     | Noticed Sonja
 34282 | D:13     | Killed Sonja
 34325 | D:13     | Noticed Psyche
 34759 | D:13     | Killed Psyche
 34871 | D:13     | Reached skill level 24 in Axes
 35259 | D:14     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 126/136 MP: 5/5
 35720 | D:14     | Received a gift from Trog
 35725 | D:14     | Got a warped battleaxe {god gift}
 35726 | D:14     | Identified the battleaxe of Boixeez {god gift, chop, Str+4 Int+1} (Trog gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 36047 | D:14     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 36985 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 37301 | D:15     | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 37423 | Lab      | Entered a Labyrinth
 40962 | D:14     | Got a dazzling staff
 40968 | D:15     | Identified the cursed staff of Disharmony {elec, Int-4} (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 41341 | D:16     | Received a gift from Trog
 41536 | D:16     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 41564 | D:16     | Noticed a yaktaur captain
 41915 | D:16     | Killed a yaktaur captain
 42184 | D:16     | Reached skill level 25 in Axes
 44255 | D:17     | Found Disetec's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 44789 | D:17     | Received a gift from Trog
 44962 | D:18     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 145/145 MP: 5/5
 47319 | D:10     | Bought a +5 ring of protection for 770 gold pieces
 47700 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 48004 | Snake:1  | Received a gift from Trog
 48343 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 26 in Axes
 48382 | Snake:2  | Noticed Snorg
 48390 | Snake:2  | Killed Snorg
 49289 | Snake:2  | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar.
 49316 | bazaar   | Entered a bazaar
 49323 | bazaar   | Found Inoeloj's Armour Shop.
 49352 | bazaar   | Found Bomau's Magic Scroll Shop.
 49357 | bazaar   | Bought a scroll of blinking for 66 gold pieces
 49357 | bazaar   | Bought a scroll of recharging for 66 gold pieces
 49357 | bazaar   | Bought 3 scrolls of recharging for 198 gold pieces
 49357 | bazaar   | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 36 gold pieces
 49357 | bazaar   | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces
 49371 | bazaar   | Found Juadoake's Armour Boutique.
 49371 | bazaar   | Found Chorphyet's Magical Wand Shop.
 49415 | bazaar   | Bought a +2 fire dragon armour for 1338 gold pieces
 49467 | bazaar   | Bought a wand of polymorph other (1) for 27 gold pieces
 49467 | bazaar   | Bought a wand of cold (10) for 252 gold pieces
 51181 | Snake:3  | Received a gift from Trog
 51346 | Snake:3  | Noticed Agnes
 51371 | Snake:3  | Noticed Nikola
 51428 | Snake:3  | Killed Agnes
 51428 | Snake:3  | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
 51475 | Snake:3  | Killed Nikola
 51475 | Snake:3  | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 52757 | Snake:4  | Received a gift from Trog
 53366 | Snake:5  | Entered Level 5 of the Snake Pit
 53599 | Snake:5  | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 54174 | Snake:5  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 83/151 MP: 1/5



Edit: after thought I think I should blink, eat, heal, pray for regen, and drink berserk potion and fight it out

Edit 2: I fought the good fight: fogged,ate, healed, blinked, took a step and died. I kind of wish I savescummed so I could try different ways of getting out, but alas

Halls Hopper

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Joined: Monday, 28th May 2012, 06:29

Post Monday, 10th September 2012, 17:09

Re: YOL (and die) O was CIP: Newb MiBe just wanting some...

They are going to die scores of times before ever seeing an OCS or zot trap, and the first time they die to stat death (if ever) they will learn the lesson that they need to. Which nowadays is less "omg you need at least 8 of each stat" and more "carry some stat restoration."

There are some situations when I wish I have "unthank" button.

You are completely wrong about newbies. I'm a newbie, I've played only about 12 characters so far; 2 wins, both are 15-runes and both with multiple Ziggurats, and a CIP with 15 runes going for the orb now. And it is very important to know the most ways to die in order to survive.

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