What god would you choose?


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Post Friday, 11th January 2019, 23:13

What god would you choose?

Imagine you're playing a MuAr. You won your last game so there's a chance for a streak here.
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  1214 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1406 | D:2      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  1406 | D:2      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  1406 | D:2      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  1406 | D:2      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.

No particularly special equipment has been found so far (you have a +0 dagger of draining and a +1 short sword of speed). You don't have any remove curse scrolls, unidentified scrolls, cursed equipment or spells.

Would you choose one of those gods, and if yes, which one? Or would you continue forward to D:3 without a god? I already made my decision, but I would be interested in hearing other opinions.

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I chose Ash, because I consider it best for winning among those gods (I suck with Chei). However, I think I probably should have waited until I find a remove curse scroll, good cursed equipment or a better god, because Ash goes to waste without cursed equipment. Turned out I found a cursed +3 ring of protection on D:3 and the first RC scroll on D:5.
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Post Friday, 11th January 2019, 23:25

Re: What god would you choose?

If I had some wand charges left, I'd just wait for other altars, since none of those gods increases my immediate survival prospects who am I kidding I'd pick xom in a heartbeat.
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Post Friday, 11th January 2019, 23:55

Re: What god would you choose?

Fun fact: I have more Ar streak-breakers (3) than CK streak-brakers (2). Neither has been a part of a streak. Somehow I don't think I would do well with an Ar of Xom :)
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Post Saturday, 12th January 2019, 03:46

Re: What god would you choose?

I might pick Vehumet since Vehumet, while bad, is extremely convenient, and Ar is not really a background that has trouble streaking. But if I'm trying to play optimally then I'm going on without a god because all of those gods are complete ass.

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Post Saturday, 12th January 2019, 16:44

Re: What god would you choose?

Vehumet is guaranteed to provide you with something usable by lair. Ash is a crap shoot. The other two actively decrease your chances of winning.

I'd probably skip, but if I was taking one it would be veh.
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Post Saturday, 12th January 2019, 20:59

Re: What god would you choose?

duvessa wrote:But if I'm trying to play optimally then I'm going on without a god because all of those gods are complete ass.
When I read the scroll of magic mapping and found four more altars, I was sure there would be at least one remotely good god, but no. It's just very hard for me to refuse a (non-Xom/Chei/Qaz) god on D:2. What if the next suitable altars are in a D:7 Temple? The earlier I get even some help from the god, the better. In a 3-rune game it doesn't matter so much what god I have in the late game.

byrel wrote:I'd probably skip, but if I was taking one it would be veh.
Yeah, I guess Veh would have been better. I refused it because I thought it's painful to build a caster from scratch with such low int but then again, for example elementalists only have 3 more int...
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Post Sunday, 13th January 2019, 21:04

Re: What god would you choose?

Well, I'm about to enter Lair and I think things are not too bad regarding equipment and curses. I have a +2 scimitar and a +3 great sword of freezing for melee.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.22.1 (tiles) character file.

Zummart the Prestidigitator (Mummy Artificer)      Turns: 15953, Time: 02:08:10

Health: 84/84      AC: 22    Str: 19    XL:     11   Next: 57%
Magic:  19/19      EV: 13    Int: 11    God:    Ashenzari [***...]
Gold:   704        SH:  0    Dex: 12    Spells: 5/10 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis +   a - +1 dagger (venom)
rCold    + + .     Gourm    .   (no shield)
rNeg     + + +     Faith    .   A - +3 scale mail {rF+} (curse)
rPois    ?          Spirit   .   (no helmet)
rElec    .         Reflect  .   C - +2 cloak {MR+} (curse)
rCorr    .         Harm     .   G - +2 pair of gloves (curse)
MR       +++..                  B - +1 pair of boots "Vuamuf" {rC+ MR+} (curse)
Stlth    +.........             P - amulet of magic regeneration (curse)
HPRegen  0.24/turn              L - +3 ring of protection (curse)
MPRegen  0.41/turn              R - ring of wizardry (curse)

@: no status effects
A: no food or potions, fire vulnerability, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: Curse Item, Scrying, Renounce Religion


You are on level 11 of the Dungeon.
You worship Ashenzari.
Ashenzari is most pleased with you.
You are not hungry.
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Post Friday, 18th January 2019, 00:24

Re: What god would you choose?

No streak for me and I'm stupid...
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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.22.1 (tiles) character file.

283819 Zummart the Fetichist (level 19, -9/151 HPs)
             Began as a Mummy Artificer on Jan 10, 2019.
             Was the Champion of Ashenzari.
             Killed by the air
             ... invoked by Sojobo
              (50 damage)
             ... on level 3 of the Vaults on Jan 18, 2019.
             The game lasted 06:43:53 (61369 turns).

Zummart the Fetichist (Mummy Artificer)            Turns: 61369, Time: 06:43:54

Health: -9/151     AC: 31    Str: 20    XL:     19   Next: 77%
Magic:  33/33      EV: 18    Int: 12    God:    Ashenzari [******]
Gold:   480        SH:  0    Dex: 14    Spells: 10/22 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis +   a - +9 great sword (freeze) (curse)
rCold    + + .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     + + +     Faith    .   A - +6 scale mail {rF+} (curse)
rPois    ?          Spirit   .   H - +2 helmet "Caimn" {rPois} (curse)
rElec    .         Reflect  .   C - +2 cloak {MR+} (curse)
rCorr    .         Harm     .   G - +2 pair of gloves (curse)
MR       ++++.     Clarity  +   B - +1 pair of boots "Vuamuf" {rC+ MR+} (curse)
Stlth    ++........             x - amulet of regeneration (curse)
HPRegen  0.75/turn              L - +3 ring of protection (curse)
MPRegen  0.23/turn              I - ring "Gicih" {+Fly rF+ rN+ SInv} (curse)

@: about to teleport, flying (expiring), studying Ice Magic
A: no food or potions, fire vulnerability, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, torment resistance, unbreathing, in touch with death 1
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine
a: Curse Item, Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion


You were on level 3 of the Vaults.
You worshipped Ashenzari.
Ashenzari was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.
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{OgGlTrMo}{CeWnMfBeMiSk}DrEE{GrFiFoGl}DgEnFeNe{OpGlHuSu}DDArHaCKSpAEGrTmDgFEDsCjGhMo
HuVM{HaAMBaEn}{HuMoHOWn}DsWzDDHu{DgWnGnBe}FeIE{MiEnMfCj}SpNeBaEEGrFE{HaAKTrCK}DsFESpHu

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Post Friday, 18th January 2019, 23:34

Re: What god would you choose?

Should have gone Chei. But honestly, I'd probably have gone to d:3 without a god. I'm horrible with ash, don't take veh if I don't have spells, and wouldn't take Xom. Qaz could be an option, but it'd be tough to pair that with a mummy early on. I'd be looking for a simple power boost god with no downsides, like an okawaru or makhleb probably.

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Post Tuesday, 29th January 2019, 21:00

Re: What god would you choose?

I don't think Ash is that bad for a mummy.

- You insta-id the remove curse scrolls, so you can get those going and get bound bonuses pretty fast.
- Similar to Vehumet, you don't need to train invocations...which is good because mummies have bad aptitude at that too. Less bad than others, but still bad.
- If you roll spider as an S branch, this is one of the few gods other than Gozag where you have counterplay against tarentellas/confuse in general, and this also keeps you more out of trouble for those "0 MR items before depths" games if you get shoals.
- The extra training early from being bound helps mummy get stuff going in time for lair.

It's not going to just carry you, but an artificer with this should make it out of the early game no problem.

Getting rekt by Sojobo is unfortunate. I usually use a silence scroll of some variety vs Sojobo when encountered that early. Much less scary with no magic + getting whaled on by evoked items/summons.

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Post Friday, 1st February 2019, 08:54

Re: What god would you choose?

I'd look for Gozag on a mummy artificer.

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