CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe


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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 00:19

CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

I've cleared Orc & Lair and now have a weapon conundrum since I've found/bought so many artifacts this early on!
I've mostly been using the first two with the war axe finding limited use due to Animate Skeleton providing such a great defensive buffer.

    the +3 arbalest of the Everdark (weapon) {speed, rElec}
    a +6 trident of distortion
    the +9 war axe "Fios Nykev" {drain, MR++ Str+3}
    the cursed +14 obsidian axe {chop, +Fly SInv *Curse}
I haven't used the obsidian axe yet and I'm wondering if I should use it as my primary/sole use, now that Loguno's Enter the Abyss is at 4% for the lower levels when I can't Shaft.
Doing so though would likely require me to modify my skills training strategy greatly, and any advice on that is also welcomed.

Btw, my plan before questioning the use of the Obsidian Axe was to get Venomous Bolt online and continue my abuse of Animate Skeleton for Shoals and switching it to Animate Dead for Spider Nest.

Character dump was shortened as much as possible:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.22-a0-608-g8a62e23 (tiles) character file.

FoAK the Corrupter of Planes (FoAK)                Turns: 33459, Time: 04:12:26

Health: 113/113    AC: 19    Str: 19    XL:     14   Next: 86%
Magic:  23/23      EV: 11    Int: 17    God:    Lugonu [******]
Gold:   618        SH:  6    Dex:  9    Spells: 0/22 levels left

rFire    + + +     SeeInvis +   a - +3 arbalest {speed, rElec}
rCold    + + .     Gourm    +   v - +2 buckler
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   y - +3 leather armour {rF+}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   (helmet unavailable)
rElec    +         Reflect  .   L - +2 ratskin cloak {+Rats rPois rN+ Str-1 Int-1 Dex+1}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   R - +1 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  (no boots)
Stlth    ++++......             d - amulet of Zomaopat {Gourm rPois rF+ rC++ Dex-2}
HPRegen  0.28/turn              f - +6 ring of protection
MPRegen  0.18/turn              J - ring of protection from fire

@: no status effects
A: permanent stasis, dig shafts and tunnels, four strong arms, antennae 3,
clever 1, shaggy fur 1, strong 1
a: Dig, Shaft Self, Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter the
Abyss, Renounce Religion, Evoke Ratskin


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Lugonu.
Lugonu is exalted by your worship.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 23 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Sewer.

You have collected 1786 gold pieces.
You have spent 1168 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - the +3 arbalest of the Everdark (weapon) {speed, rElec}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
 b - a +6 trident of distortion
 h - a +0 battleaxe of flaming
 p - a +2 halberd of protection
 w - a +0 blowgun
 x - the +9 war axe "Fios Nykev" {drain, MR++ Str+3}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes.
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 D - a +2 dagger of flaming
 K - the +1 dagger of Battle {pierce, rElec rF- rC+}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
 T - the +1 hand crossbow "Tuwurphi" {velocity, SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   Any bolt fired from it inflicts extra damage.
   
   It lets you see invisible.
 W - the cursed +14 obsidian axe {chop, +Fly SInv *Curse}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you fly.
   It curses itself when equipped.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 X - a +2 hand axe of electrocution
Missiles
 j - 17 javelins
 q - 6 needles of confusion
 M - 9 curare-tipped needles
 N - 107 bolts (quivered)
Armour
 v - a +2 buckler (worn)
 y - a +3 leather armour of fire resistance (worn)
 L - the +2 ratskin cloak (worn) {+Rats rPois rN+ Str-1 Int-1 Dex+1}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your strength (-1).
   It affects your intelligence (-1).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 R - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
Magical Staves
 l - an uncursed staff of poison
 s - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Jewellery
 d - the amulet of Zomaopat (around neck) {Gourm rPois rF+ rC++ Dex-2}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [amulet of the gourmand]
   
   It allows you to eat raw meat even when not hungry.
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
 f - a +6 ring of protection (left hand)
 J - a ring of protection from fire (right hand)
Wands
 r - a wand of acid (5)
 H - a wand of paralysis (10)
 P - a wand of enslavement (16)
 S - a wand of flame (55)
 U - a wand of polymorph (13)
Scrolls
 i - 8 scrolls of immolation
 k - 2 scrolls of fear
 o - 2 scrolls of fog
 u - 8 scrolls of remove curse
Potions
 e - 2 potions of resistance
 m - 8 potions of heal wounds
 t - 11 potions of curing
 z - 4 potions of brilliance
 A - a potion of magic
 B - 2 potions of agility
 E - 2 potions of cancellation
 G - 2 potions of lignification
Miscellaneous
 g - a lamp of fire
 C - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 c - 33 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 11.2 Fighting
 * Level 10.0 Polearms
 + Level 4.9 Crossbows
 + Level 6.7 Armour
 - Level 1.1 Dodging
 - Level 10.5 Stealth
 - Level 2.6 Shields
 + Level 4.9 Spellcasting
 + Level 4.1 Conjurations
 - Level 8.0 Hexes
 - Level 1.0 Charms
 - Level 5.0 Necromancy
 - Level 5.0 Fire Magic
 + Level 8.1 Poison Magic
 - Level 13.0 Invocations


You cannot memorise any spells.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None
b - Venom Bolt            Conj/Pois      ####......   36%         5    ######.
c - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ###.....     8%          3    ###....
f - Cause Fear            Hex            ####......   6%          4    ####...
m - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     9%          3    ###....
v - Vampiric Draining     Necr           ###.......   6%          3    ###....
w - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       ###.....     8%          3    ###....

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Fireball                 Conj/Fire      ###.......   56%         5    ######.
 Apportation              Tloc           #.....       17%         1    None
 Bolt of Magma            Conj/Fire/Erth ##........   78%         5    ######.
 Freezing Cloud           Conj/Ice/Air   #.........   100%        6    #######
 Ring of Flames           Chrm/Fire      ##........   100%        7    #######
 Iskenderun's Mystic Bla  Conj           ###.....     30%         4    ####...
 Animate Dead             Necr           N/A          21%         4    ####...
 Regeneration             Chrm/Necr      ##........   14%         3    ###....
 Iron Shot                Conj/Erth      ##........   100%        6    #######
 Flame Tongue             Conj/Fire      ###..        2%          1    None
 Metabolic Englaciation   Hex/Ice        ###.......   65%         5    ######.
 Portal Projectile        Hex/Tloc       ###...       10%         3    ###....
 Petrify                  Tmut/Erth      #.......     86%         4    ####...
 Orb of Destruction       Conj           ###.......   100%        7    #######
 Inner Flame              Hex/Fire       ####....     3%          3    ###....
 Iskenderun's Battlesphe  Conj/Chrm      ##......     85%         5    ######.
 Fulminant Prism          Conj/Hex       ###.......   14%         4    ####...
 Dazzling Spray           Conj/Hex       ###...       4%          3    ###....
 Force Lance              Conj/Tloc      ##......     56%         4    ####...
 Infusion                 Chrm           #...         11%         1    None
 Song of Slaying          Chrm           #.......     17%         2    #......
 Searing Ray              Conj           ###...       4%          2    #......
 Spellforged Servitor     Conj/Summ      ##........   100%        7    #######
 Gell's Gravitas          Tloc           #.........   45%         3    ###....
 Yara's Violent Unravell  Hex/Tmut       ###.......   65%         5    ######.
 Poisonous Vapours        Pois/Air       ###...       4%          2    #......


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (14/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:2       Spider (0/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:9             Elf (0/3) Orc:2       
Vaults: D:13-14     

Shops:
D:4 :   D:10 =   Orc:2 =[(*

Annotations:
D:12 Rupert
Lair:2 exclusion: orange crystal statue
Orc:2 3 runed doors, DrIE7's ghost, journeyman DrIE; HuWn's ghost, journeyman HuWn


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot be hasted, slowed, berserked, paralysed or teleported.
You can dig through walls and to a lower floor.
Your four strong arms can wield two-handed weapons with a shield.
You have a pair of large antennae on your head. (SInv)
Your mind is acute. (Int +2)
You are covered in fur. (AC +1)
Your muscles are strong. (Str +2)

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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 04:28

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

This character is spread pretty thin. I think I would probably turn off everything except crossbows until like 12+ crossbows skill (arbalest of speed is really good) and pick up pproj, looking for either heavier armor or to find ozos eventually. I can see an argument for just mindelaying the trident and killing everything with spectral weapon distortion trident instead though. I would probably train defensive skills after that. The exp in stealth and poison magic is basically wasted imo.
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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 06:38

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

Well, Venom Bolt with skeletons is fine too and there is Animate Dead in the library.
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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 06:45

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

Hellmonk wrote: ... (arbalest of speed is really good) and pick up pproj, looking for either heavier armor or to find ozos eventually. I can see an argument for just mindelaying the trident and killing everything with spectral weapon distortion trident instead though. I would probably train defensive skills after that.

Book of Frost was avail in a shop (and is one of my favs as a starting book) so I got it.
Didn't realize the synergy of:
    crossbows + pproj, and also
    Lugodu's Bend Space + Ozo's Armour
I assumed incorrectly that Ozo's Armour would deactivate with the recent changes in Trunk.
Thanks for the suggestions. I would not have thought of these two.

Hellmonk wrote:This character is spread pretty thin. I think I would probably turn off everything except crossbows until like 12+ crossbows skill ... ...The exp in stealth and poison magic is basically wasted imo.
Ya, I know. I have a tendency to forget my skills training until the end of a level or branch...so I often start more skills training when some are about to reach their target. The way I justify it is: I'm aiming for the long game! lol
In the case of the Stealth and Poison skills, I simply forgot to set a target. My bad...but the latter one allowed me to quickly bring Venom Bolt online.

As for the Obsidian Axe, I did some searches on the Tavern & Reddit and the consensus seems to be: Don't Use It! ...unless you're looking for a totally different experience!
Ironically, this is what I got in Shoals using a +9 Trident of Distortion; it felt like Merfolks were jumping spiders! lol

As for spells, I ditched Meth Cloud for Sticky Flame since it works well with Bend Space+Ozo's when there's no option for a protected killhole.

I've now cleared the Dungeon & Shoals ...and heading to the Spider Nest where it's usually easier to create 1-on-1 killholes.
I'll post an updated Char Dump after that branch if...
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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 09:10

Re: CiP: FoAK heading to Vaults

My FoAK made it out of Spiders with just one scare that required 1 Potion of Heal Wounds as a precaution while they were all burning thanks to a Scroll of Immolation in the rune's vault!

I totally see Hellmonk's point about concentrating XP on a few skills as I still don't have mindelay on my trident of distortion, and neither have It made it to Hellmonk's suggested level 12 for the arbalest.
At least I now have the following spells below 10%: Ozo's Armour, and Sticky Flame (which came in very handy in Spiders)
..and Bolt of Magma is at 11%.

Now off to Vaults 1-4...but it's the farthest I've ever been with a FoAK.
For the CiP dump, I've temporarily added in inventory any interesting items. The only notable is:
    the +0 large shield of Oblivion {rElec MR+ Dex+4}

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.22-a0-608-g8a62e23 (tiles) character file.

FoAK the Corrupter of Planes (FoAK)                Turns: 61565, Time: 09:24:09

Health: 148/148    AC: 26    Str: 17    XL:     19   Next: 48%
Magic:  32/32      EV: 14    Int: 18    God:    Lugonu [******]
Gold:   836        SH:  7    Dex:  9    Spells: 2/37 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis +   a - +3 arbalest {speed, rElec}
rCold    + + .     Gourm    +   v - +3 buckler
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   y - +3 leather armour {rF+}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   (helmet unavailable)
rElec    +         Reflect  .   L - +2 ratskin cloak {+Rats rPois rN+ Str-1 Int-1 Dex+1}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   R - +2 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  J - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    ++++......             d - amulet of Zomaopat {Gourm rPois rF+ rC++ Dex-2}
HPRegen  0.74/turn              M - +5 ring of protection
MPRegen  0.23/turn              f - +6 ring of protection

@: no status effects
A: permanent stasis, dig shafts and tunnels, four strong arms, antennae 3,
deformed body, poison resistance, regeneration 1, sturdy frame 1
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer
a: Dig, Shaft Self, Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter the
Abyss, Renounce Religion, Evoke Ratskin


You are on level 13 of the Dungeon.
You worship Lugonu.
Lugonu is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 32 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer and Ice Cave.

You have collected 2829 gold pieces.
You have spent 1993 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - the +3 arbalest of the Everdark (weapon) {speed, rElec}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
 b - a +9 trident of distortion
 h - a +0 battleaxe of flaming
 j - a +5 trident of venom
 x - the +9 war axe "Fios Nykev" {drain, MR++ Str+3}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes.
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 H - a +2 demon trident of electrocution
 X - a +3 hand axe of electrocution
Missiles
 D - 4 exploding tomahawks
 K - 20 javelins of penetration
 N - 96 bolts (quivered)
 Z - 5 throwing nets
Armour
 v - a +3 buckler (worn)
 y - a +3 leather armour of fire resistance (worn)
 J - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 L - the +2 ratskin cloak (worn) {+Rats rPois rN+ Str-1 Int-1 Dex+1}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your strength (-1).
   It affects your intelligence (-1).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 R - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 V - a +0 pair of boots of flying
 W - the +0 large shield of Oblivion {rElec MR+ Dex+4}
   (You acquired it on level 3 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical Staves
 q - an uncursed staff of fire
 s - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Jewellery
 d - the amulet of Zomaopat (around neck) {Gourm rPois rF+ rC++ Dex-2}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [amulet of the gourmand]
   
   It allows you to eat raw meat even when not hungry.
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
 f - a +6 ring of protection (right hand)
 l - a ring of positive energy
 M - a +5 ring of protection (left hand)
Wands
 p - a wand of paralysis (24)
 r - a wand of acid (27)
 F - a wand of iceblast (28)
 G - a wand of disintegration (5)
 O - a wand of clouds (4)
 P - a wand of enslavement (53)
 U - a wand of polymorph (35)
Scrolls
 i - 9 scrolls of immolation
 k - 2 scrolls of fear
 o - 6 scrolls of fog
 u - 7 scrolls of remove curse
 Q - a scroll of magic mapping
 S - a scroll of identify
 Y - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 e - 4 potions of resistance
 m - 5 potions of heal wounds
 t - 10 potions of curing
 z - 4 potions of brilliance
 A - a potion of magic
 B - 3 potions of agility
 E - 3 potions of cancellation
 T - a potion of might
Miscellaneous
 g - a lamp of fire
 n - 2 phantom mirrors
 w - a sack of spiders
 C - a phial of floods
 I - a lightning rod (4/4)
Comestibles
 c - 48 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 12.6 Fighting
 - Level 3.7(9.4) Axes
 * Level 13.0(13.2) Polearms
   Level 1.0 Slings
 * Level 10.2 Crossbows
 - Level 7.0 Armour
 + Level 6.1 Dodging
 - Level 10.5 Stealth
 + Level 4.2 Shields
 + Level 9.7 Spellcasting
 - Level 7.0 Conjurations
 - Level 8.0 Hexes
 - Level 3.0 Charms
 - Level 6.0 Necromancy
 - Level 6.0 Fire Magic
 - Level 3.0 Ice Magic
 + Level 9.5 Earth Magic
 - Level 11.0 Poison Magic
 - Level 13.0 Invocations
 + Level 8.5 Evocations


You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None
b - Venom Bolt            Conj/Pois      #####.....   6%          5    #####..
c - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ####....     1%          3    None
d - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          7%          4    ###....
f - Cause Fear            Hex            #####.....   3%          4    ###....
o - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ###.....     8%          3    None
p - Portal Projectile     Hex/Tloc       ###...       4%          3    None
s - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      ####....     6%          4    ###....
w - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       ####....     2%          3    None
x - Bolt of Magma         Conj/Fire/Erth #####.....   11%         5    #####..

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Fireball                 Conj/Fire      ####......   16%         5    #####..
 Apportation              Tloc           #.....       9%          1    None
 Freezing Cloud           Conj/Ice/Air   ###.......   97%         6    ######.
 Mephitic Cloud           Conj/Pois/Air  ####....     2%          3    None
 Iskenderun's Mystic Bla  Conj           ####....     4%          4    ###....
 Vampiric Draining        Necr           ####......   2%          3    None
 Regeneration             Chrm/Necr      ###.......   4%          3    None
 Iron Shot                Conj/Erth      #####.....   41%         6    ######.
 Statue Form              Tmut/Erth      ####.....    88%         6    ######.
 Death Channel            Necr           ####......   73%         6    ######.
 Throw Icicle             Conj/Ice       ####....     11%         4    ###....
 Metabolic Englaciation   Hex/Ice        ####......   24%         5    #####..
 Shatter                  Erth           #####.....   100%        9    #######
 Simulacrum               Ice/Necr       ###.......   90%         6    ######.
 Orb of Destruction       Conj           ####......   99%         7    #######
 Inner Flame              Hex/Fire       ####....     1%          3    None
 Iskenderun's Battlesphe  Conj/Chrm      ####....     30%         5    #####..
 Fulminant Prism          Conj/Hex       #####.....   3%          4    ###....
 Dazzling Spray           Conj/Hex       #####.       1%          3    None
 Force Lance              Conj/Tloc      ###.....     21%         4    ###....
 Summon Lightning Spire   Summ/Air       #.......     63%         4    ###....
 Summon Guardian Golem    Hex/Summ       ###.....     4%          3    None
 Spellforged Servitor     Conj/Summ      ###.......   100%        7    #######
 Gell's Gravitas          Tloc           #.........   26%         3    None
 Borgnjor's Vile Clutch   Necr/Erth      #####.....   10%         5    #####..


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2       Spider (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:9             Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       


Shops:
D:4 :   D:10 =   D:15 (   Orc:2 =[(*


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot be hasted, slowed, berserked, paralysed or teleported.
You can dig through walls and to a lower floor.
Your four strong arms can wield two-handed weapons with a shield.
You have a pair of large antennae on your head. (SInv)
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
Your system is resistant to poisons. (rPois)
Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast.
Your movements are slightly less encumbered by armour. (ER -2)

After skills training goals for Trident and Arbalest are reached, I'm thinking of concentrating mostly on training Earth in order to get: BVC and Iron Shot
...and if I do more than 3 runes hopefully: LCS and Shatter.
Any alternatives/suggestions?
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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 13:26

YASD: FoAK on U:5 with a useless Bazaar

After V:1-4, I attempted the Depths.
All was going well until I went down to U:5 with a Bazaar in reach but with a mob swarming.
I made it to the Bazaar with almost $2K in hand, only to find nothing very valuable except for a scarf of cloud immunity for a measly 70aug!

After I exited the bazaar at full health, I used Bend Space many time until I could position myself with a doorway separating me from the mob.
Using many BVC, the crowd was starting to thin but I hadn't notice that my mana was now below 10; preventing me from using Lugonu's Enter the Abyss.
I decided to close the door and Bend Space away from the crowd instead of quaffing my sole Potion of Magic.
Sadly, I didn't notice that the door was reopened before I selected Bend Space...and landed in the middle of the crowd.
A few more stubborn Bend Space only made it worse leading to YASD!

RIP FoAK lv22 ...until I cross pass with your ghost!

Huh...can a ghost use BVC on a player?!? :shock:

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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 13:54

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

RIP. Have you considered using Corruption? It is a great way to deal with swarms.
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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 15:39

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

VeryAngryFelid wrote:RIP. Have you considered using Corruption? It is a great way to deal with swarms.

I've used it, just don't feel comfortable yet using it on a lower level.
Sometimes, I get knocked around too much by it and I've resorted to shaft myself.

Any idea if the Corruption will have dissipated if I use it on a lower level and resort to Lugonu's Enter the Abyss as an emergency exit?
Sometimes I get the feeling that time stands still (almost) on some level when my character is on a different level/branch for a bit.
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Post Tuesday, 10th July 2018, 19:31

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

Corruption is great — the way neutral and hostile monsters interact is counterintuitive in your favor. A mob on u:5 is about the best place for it. Just remember it's an opener, not a panic button.
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Post Wednesday, 11th July 2018, 06:34

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

RoGGa wrote:
VeryAngryFelid wrote:RIP. Have you considered using Corruption? It is a great way to deal with swarms.

I've used it, just don't feel comfortable yet using it on a lower level.
Sometimes, I get knocked around too much by it and I've resorted to shaft myself.


Corruption should be used at high HP/MP (optimally at max) so you can use Bend Space and take some damage while trying to run away. Don't leave the level (shafting included) as I believe it stops attacks of the neutral monsters.
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Post Saturday, 14th July 2018, 10:26

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Corruption should be used at high HP/MP (optimally at max) so you can use Bend Space and take some damage while trying to run away. Don't leave the level (shafting included) as I believe it stops attacks of the neutral monsters.

I used Corrupt in O:2 for a Ghost vault after the rest of the level was cleared.
I expected it to be an overkill tactic and it was!
My goal was to experience Corrupt ...and I can now report that the "neutral" monsters don't disappear when leaving the level.
Some of them even lingered for well over 100 turns as I healed above on O:1.

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Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

RoGGa wrote:I used Corrupt in O:2 for a Ghost vault after the rest of the level was cleared.
I expected it to be an overkill tactic and it was!
My goal was to experience Corrupt ...and I can now report that the "neutral" monsters don't disappear when leaving the level.
Some of them even lingered for well over 100 turns as I healed above on O:1.


That does not prove they are killing monsters while you are on another level. As far as I know no activity happens on other levels except Jiyva eating items and there is special code that does it.
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Post Yesterday, 11:16

Re: CiP: FoAK with unused Obsidian Axe

VeryAngryFelid wrote:That does not prove they are killing monsters while you are on another level. As far as I know no activity happens on other levels except Jiyva eating items and there is special code that does it.

True!
Since I've had such a bad streak using Bend Space to got out of the action, I now feel more comfortable starting Corruption on lowest levels when I'm standing on a staircase going up.
That way I can quickly go up a level and shaft myself down so that I'm (likely) not in the middle of the action.

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