Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water


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Mines Malingerer

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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 20:00

Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water

My previous thread was removed due to bad design, I'll try to do my best in a new one.

Problem: Spells, abilities, cards and wands can generate clouds on the water.
Steam clouds on the water:
  • All fire magic spells except sticky flame, delayed fireball (this spell only gives "abilty" to launch fireballs) and ignite poison (in some cases);
  • Wands of flame
  • Wands of random effects;
  • Lamp of fire;
  • Firestarter;
  • Makhleb's minor and major destruction;
  • Xom's acts;
  • Fire Magic miscast effect;
  • Cloud card.

Freezing clouds on the water:
  • Bolt of Cold;
  • Xom's acts.

Steam clouds on the lava:
  • Throw Frost, Bolt of Cold, Freezing Cloud and Glaciate;
  • Ice Magic;
  • Lamp of fire;
  • Frostbite;
  • Xom's acts;
  • Cloud card.

And I didn't include "monsterous' sources of clouds.


Why it is a problem? It is totally spoilerous mechanics. No any description of spell, card or item include information about clouds on water or lava. The descriptions of terrain says also nothing about that:
  • Shallow water: A pool of cloudy, waist-deep water. It makes movement and combat cumbersome for landlubbers - sometimes dangerous, but never directly fatal.
  • Deep water: A pool of deep water. Only giant creatures can wade through this, and only those well-adapted to water can swim through it; for the rest, the only way through is to fly over.
  • Lava: An intensely hot pool of molten rock, emitting clouds of sulphurous smoke.

Why should we avoid spoilerous mechanics? It is one of the Minor Design Goals of the whole game:
clarity (playability without need for spoilers)

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.rst#clarity

It is said, that the Crawl should be intuitive. So I think everybody understands that "Water + Fire = Puff" Everybody understands that "Water + Electricity = Danger", but the effect of "electrified" weapons on water was removed.

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Mines Malingerer

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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 20:07

Re: Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water

UPD: The effects of the freezung and flame clouds on water or lava are discribed by pressing the "x" button. I apologise for forgeting about that. But other things remain as problem.

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Mines Malingerer

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Post Sunday, 29th January 2017, 09:09

Re: Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water

I have found a better solution. We can just edit the bolts' and other things' descriptions. It's simple and solves the problem completely.
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Post Sunday, 29th January 2017, 11:42

Re: Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water

StupidBerserker wrote:I have found a better solution. We can just edit the bolts' and other things' descriptions. It's simple and solves the problem completely.


That's crazy talk. We should remove them.
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Mines Malingerer

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Post Sunday, 29th January 2017, 12:52

Re: Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water

pedritolo wrote:That's crazy talk. We should remove them.

I do think that the removal is better. Because this mechanics does nothing but providing complications in battles on the water.

It is also a no-brainer: I always carry a wand of flames for creating steam in Shoals to cut the LOS or insta-killing of electric eels (with created steam). Other functions are much less optimal.
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Post Sunday, 29th January 2017, 14:55

Re: Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water

it's really not hard to figure this out if you ever play a fire elementalist

Mines Malingerer

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Post Sunday, 29th January 2017, 18:24

Re: Remove clouds generated with bolts on the water

Doesnt wrote:it's really not hard to figure this out if you ever play a fire elementalist

Read the OP:

It is said, that the Crawl should be intuitive. So I think everybody understands that "Water + Fire = Puff" Everybody understands that "Water + Electricity = Danger", but the effect of "electrified" weapons on water was removed.

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