Mines Malingerer
Posts: 34
Joined: Friday, 25th July 2014, 03:06
Friday, 9th September 2016, 06:05
CIP: CeHu^Oka (>TSO)
Hi all,
I have several questions that have come up while trying to get a Centaur Hunter off the ground. A few of them are general Crawl questions, so I hope it’s okay to ask them here.
My DCSS background: I have a 3r win with a MiBe and a GrEE^Veh (yes, that guide), and a 15r win with a GrEE^Veh (+1 complete zig) and MiFi^Oka>TSO.
A little about my playing weaknesses:
• I think everything must die. I’m getting a little better about this, and at least I don’t think everything must die when I first see it.
• I don’t use evokables on enemies very often, even when I train evo. It’s worse than usual with this guy, because generally I’m arrowing enemies as they approach.
• I understand how some skills work, but not others (see below).
I’m generally following this guide now, though it’s a little out of date and fuzzy on some details besides: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Agentchuck% ... nter_guide
I don’t follow guides to the letter.
I want 15 runes for this guy. I’m Oka now and will switch to TSO before Crypt.
My questions:
1. With my Bows skill at ~16 and Poles at 0, Oka gifted me a quarterstaff. I was wielding a bow, but I had a spear in my inventory. I am only training UC and Bows, so I only want bows. I guess I have to keep all other weapon types out of my inventory?
2. Once I don’t need to worry about running out of arrows, when is appropriate to use a melee attack? What’s a good melee pairing for bows?
The guide says Unarmed Combat, partially because Centaurs have a 0 aptitude rather than -1 (the rest of the non-ranged choices). I’ve been training UC, so it would be a bit of waste now to switch, but I’m curious what other people think. I’ve never played a UC character before.
3. How should I approach armor for Centaur Hunter? What armor should I aim for? What about the Armor skill? Dodging? For a ranged character, is AC better than Evasion or vice versa?
It seems like the idea with the CeHu is that they have great ranged skill, but it’s bad news for them if more a couple of enemies get to melee range.
4. As the guide suggests, I have enchanted a longbow to +7 so TSO can bless it later (it happens to be Velocity). Is the longbow I have now (artifact +5 speed) an endgame non-holy bow? If I could rustle up a +9 flaming or freezing, would that be better?
5. Should I be raising Strength or Dexterity? I’m just not clear (even after reading the wiki) which will increase my DPS more, and for that matter whether I should increase DPS past a certain point or work on defense instead.
6. Should I train Bows past mindelay for longbows (i.e., past 20)?
7. Am I right that skill aptitudes only affect how much experience it takes to advance the skill? That is, 10.0 dodging for a Centaur is the same as 10.0 dodging for a Spriggan, but the Spriggan can get 10.0 dodging much more quickly?
8. How bad is it for 15 runes if I don’t find Portal Projectile? Are there other utility spells I should look out for?
Any other observations (helpful or otherwise) are welcome!
Thanks very much for any help!
I have several questions that have come up while trying to get a Centaur Hunter off the ground. A few of them are general Crawl questions, so I hope it’s okay to ask them here.
My DCSS background: I have a 3r win with a MiBe and a GrEE^Veh (yes, that guide), and a 15r win with a GrEE^Veh (+1 complete zig) and MiFi^Oka>TSO.
A little about my playing weaknesses:
• I think everything must die. I’m getting a little better about this, and at least I don’t think everything must die when I first see it.
• I don’t use evokables on enemies very often, even when I train evo. It’s worse than usual with this guy, because generally I’m arrowing enemies as they approach.
• I understand how some skills work, but not others (see below).
I’m generally following this guide now, though it’s a little out of date and fuzzy on some details besides: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Agentchuck% ... nter_guide
I don’t follow guides to the letter.
I want 15 runes for this guy. I’m Oka now and will switch to TSO before Crypt.
- Code:
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (console) character file.
Fyndig the Markscentaur (Centaur Hunter) Turns: 53402, Time: 08:14:14
Health: 168/168 AC: 32 Str: 22 XL: 18 Next: 2%
Magic: 25/25 EV: 10 Int: 10 God: Okawaru [*****.]
Gold: 934 SH: 6 Dex: 14 Spells: 0 memorised, 17 levels left
rFire . . . SeeInvis + a - +5 longbow of Glory {speed, SInv}
rCold + . . Gourm . t - +2 plate armour {MR+}
rNeg . . . Faith . (shield currently unavailable)
rPois . Spirit . O - +0 helmet
rElec + Dismiss . D - +2 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
rCorr . Reflect + h - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
SustAt . Harm . y - +2 centaur barding {Fly}
MR ++... V - +6 amulet of reflection
Stlth .......... n - +3 ring of slaying
c - +3 ring of protection
@: flying, very quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3, MP-powered wands
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Stop Flying
}: 1/15 runes: gossamer
You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.
You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 32 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary and Bailey.
You have collected 3911 gold pieces.
You have spent 2977 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand Weapons
a - the +5 longbow of Glory (weapon) {speed, SInv}
(Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.
It lets you see invisible.
W - the +3 shortbow "Zomiul Egryt" {freeze, +Fly rF+ rC- rN+++}
(You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
It causes projectiles fired from it to freeze those they strike, causing
extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against
particularly susceptible opponents. They can also slow down cold-blooded
creatures.
It protects you from fire.
It makes you vulnerable to cold.
It renders you almost immune to negative energy.
It lets you fly.
Missiles
d - 602 arrows (quivered)
Armour
b - a +2 centaur barding of fire resistance
h - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
t - a +2 plate armour of magic resistance (worn)
v - a +1 cloak of poison resistance
y - a +2 centaur barding of flying (worn)
D - the +2 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
(You bought it in a shop on level 8 of the Dungeon)
It affects your evasion (+4).
It protects you from cold.
It insulates you from electricity.
It makes you much less stealthy.
O - a +0 helmet (worn)
Jewellery
c - a +3 ring of protection (left hand)
n - a +3 ring of slaying (right hand)
x - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes
E - an uncursed ring of positive energy
H - an uncursed amulet of regeneration
V - a +6 amulet of reflection (around neck)
Wands
e - a wand of flame
i - a wand of digging {zapped: 3}
p - a wand of iceblast (7/15)
r - a wand of acid
M - a wand of enslavement
N - a wand of disintegration (1/24)
T - a wand of slowing
Y - a wand of confusion
Scrolls
o - 3 scrolls of teleportation
s - 13 scrolls of remove curse
u - a scroll of blinking
K - 5 scrolls of fog
Potions
k - 12 potions of curing
l - 3 potions of resistance
m - 3 potions of haste
q - 8 potions of might
w - 2 potions of invisibility
B - 2 sedimented brown potions
G - a potion of berserk rage
J - 2 potions of agility
L - 2 potions of flight
P - 2 potions of heal wounds
Z - 5 potions of ambrosia
Books
z - a book of Cantrips
Spells Type Level
a - Corona Hexes 1
b - Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1
c - Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1
d - Apportation Translocation 1
Miscellaneous
I - a fan of gales
Comestibles
f - 16 bread rations
j - a chunk of flesh
A - 2 fruits
Skills:
* Level 16.6 Fighting
+ Level 20.2 Bows
+ Level 9.0 Armour
+ Level 9.1 Dodging
- Level 0.5 Stealth
+ Level 12.8 Unarmed Combat
- Level 10.0 Invocations
- Level 7.1 Evocations
You have 17 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (8/8) D:8
Shoals (1/4) Lair:6 Spider (4/4) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:8
Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (1/3) Orc:2 Vaults (0/5) D:14
Depths (0/5) D:15
Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Pakellas
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva
Shops:
D:8 [ Orc:2 *}[(
Portals:
Hell: Lair:8
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin (AC +3).
You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands.
Message History
Identify which item? (\ to view known items) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust.
V - a +6 amulet of reflection
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You remove your amulet of regeneration.
V - a +6 amulet of reflection (around neck)
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
Save game and exit?
Welcome back, Fyndig the Centaur Hunter.
Okawaru says: Bring me glory in combat!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Unknown command.
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
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Vanquished Creatures
Norris (Spider:2)
Agnes (Spider:2)
Kirke (Elf:1)
Roxanne (Spider:3)
Louise (Spider:1)
2 ghost moths
An orc warlord (Orc:2)
3 emperor scorpions
2 dire elephants (Lair:8)
Snorg (Lair:8)
4 spark wasps
2 merfolk impalers (Shoals:1)
4 entropy weavers
4 vault guards (D:14)
Josephine (Spider:1)
A rakshasa (D:14)
A yaktaur captain (D:15)
3 ogre magi
5 hydras
3 centaur warriors
2 dancing weapons (Elf:1)
3 death yaks (Lair:5)
A tengu warrior (D:14)
A queen ant (Lair:5)
8 orc high priests
Urug (D:14)
A sun demon (Lair:8)
2 spectral emperor scorpions (Spider:4)
A wizard (Lair:8)
8 death scarabs (Spider:4)
2 unseen horrors (shapeshifter)
2 sea snakes (Shoals:1)
A flayed ghost (D:10)
8 orc knights
5 harpies (Shoals:1)
3 hill giants
4 hornets
13 orb spiders
5 spectral wolf spiders (Spider:4)
3 wolf spider zombies
22 ugly things
4 orc sorcerers
24 wolf spiders
An oklob plant (Lair:7)
A manticore (Shoals:1)
5 griffons
3 cyclopes
4 moths of wrath
10 deep elf magi
Joseph (D:9)
15 elephants
5 black mambas
5 torpor snails
A gargoyle (D:10)
A smoke demon (Lair:8)
3 orange demons (Lair:8)
5 spectral redbacks (Spider:4)
11 spiny frogs
2 yaktaurs (D:15)
3 kobold demonologists
7 demonic crawlers
2 redback zombies
12 komodo dragons
7 rime drakes
A hellwing (Lair:8)
A queen bee (shapeshifter) (D:15)
2 merfolk
4 red devils (Lair:8)
A tengu conjurer (D:15)
37 jumping spiders
2 ice devils (Lair:8)
A troll (shapeshifter) (D:15)
4 polar bears
7 trolls
9 two-headed ogres
4 spectral jumping spiders (Spider:4)
2 spectral tarantellas (Spider:4)
A spectral hornet (Spider:4)
3 tarantella zombies (Spider:4)
Prince Ribbit (D:9)
2 boulder beetles
10 blink frogs (Lair:5)
6 slime creatures
2 jumping spider zombies (Spider:4)
A spriggan (Lair:4)
2 wyverns
A snapping turtle (Lair:6)
A vampire (D:12)
34 tarantellas
9 wraiths
83 redbacks
A water elemental (Shoals:1)
25 yaks
A shadow (D:15)
5 fire bats (D:10)
7 hogs (Elf:1)
A fire elemental (Elf:1)
A human (D:7)
4 basilisks
7 hippogriffs
3 vampire mosquitoes (D:12)
2 hungry ghosts
A mottled dragon (D:14)
16 water moccasins
24 wargs
22 soldier ants
8 porcupines
A hell hound (Lair:8)
6 ice beasts
5 sky beasts
6 phantoms
50 orc warriors
2 eyes of draining
A black bear (D:10)
17 ogres
A tengu (shapeshifter) (D:14)
2 wasps
23 centaurs
14 wolves
5 big kobolds
14 crocodiles
17 giant frogs
A wyvern skeleton (D:14)
2 water moccasin skeletons
2 scorpions
19 killer bees
7 electric eels
6 howler monkeys
9 wights
8 crimson imps
A giant frog zombie (D:11)
3 centaur zombies
3 jellies
38 orc priests
4 hounds
2 centaur skeletons
A giant frog skeleton (D:9)
9 iguanas
30 worker ants
Ijyb (D:3)
20 orc wizards
A statue (D:9)
A killer bee zombie (D:6)
26 sheep
A big kobold zombie (Ossuary)
3 hound zombies
3 hound skeletons
8 mummies (Ossuary)
3 worker ant zombies
A howler monkey skeleton (D:9)
14 gnolls
9 adders
75 river rats
5 shadow imps
2 oozes
4 adder skeletons
4 worms
9 dart slugs
5 giant geckos
131 orcs
3 giant cockroaches
3 gnoll zombies (Ossuary)
15 hobgoblins
8 jackals
27 kobolds
3 quokkas
A ball python (D:3)
57 bats
3 giant newts
15 goblins
A hobgoblin zombie (Ossuary)
A jackal skeleton (D:5)
3 kobold zombies (Ossuary)
A quokka skeleton (D:6)
15 rats
2 bushes (D:6)
4 fungi
3 plants
1429 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (others)
15 fungi
2 plants
17 creatures vanquished.
Grand Total: 1446 creatures vanquished
Notes
Turn | Place | Note
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0 | D:1 | Fyndig the Centaur Hunter began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 17/17 MP: 1/1
370 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/24 MP: 2/2
448 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat
1003 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Bows
1003 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 30/30 MP: 3/3
1774 | D:2 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
1885 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 15/37 MP: 4/4
2543 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
2847 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 35/45 MP: 6/6
3000 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb
3008 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb
3150 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Bows
3327 | D:3 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
3458 | D:3 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
4155 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom
4192 | D:4 | Killed a phantom
4192 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/51 MP: 7/7
4259 | D:4 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
4513 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Bows
4745 | D:4 | Noticed a moth of wrath
4748 | D:4 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
4813 | D:4 | Got a transparent dagger
4839 | D:4 | Identified the +1 dagger of Bloody Death {venom, Int+4} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
5117 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
5238 | D:5 | Noticed an ice beast
5279 | D:5 | Killed an ice beast
5279 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 59/59 MP: 9/9
5446 | D:5 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
5487 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Bows
6424 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
6471 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
6515 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
6704 | D:6 | Found an oddly glowing altar of Pakellas.
6704 | D:6 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
6704 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
6931 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/67 MP: 10/10
7179 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
7179 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Bows
7791 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
7953 | D:7 | Reached * piety under Okawaru
8040 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Bows
8218 | D:7 | Found a sand-covered staircase.
8227 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary
8828 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 75/75 MP: 12/12
9152 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
9221 | D:8 | Found Quxiparpho's Antique Armour Shop.
9276 | D:8 | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
9557 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair.
9807 | D:8 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
9807 | D:8 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
9839 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Bows
9903 | D:8 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
10315 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
10355 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
10902 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
10960 | D:11 | Reached skill level 13 in Bows
11268 | D:11 | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
11515 | D:11 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 39/86 MP: 11/14
11829 | D:11 | Noticed an orc knight
11860 | D:11 | Killed an orc knight
11916 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant
11936 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant
11936 | D:11 | Reached **** piety under Okawaru
11936 | D:11 | Received a gift from Okawaru
11984 | D:11 | Noticed an orc sorcerer
11991 | D:11 | Noticed a rust devil
11999 | D:11 | Noticed a sun demon
12003 | D:11 | Killed an orc sorcerer
12003 | D:11 | Reached skill level 14 in Bows
13152 | D:10 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
13218 | D:10 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
13470 | D:10 | Found a runed door.
13472 | D:10 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
13492 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Bows
13558 | D:10 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
13674 | D:10 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
13812 | D:10 | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru
13812 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru
13875 | D:10 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
14561 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant
14568 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant
14568 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 95/95 MP: 15/15
14724 | D:10 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
15140 | D:10 | Noticed a flayed ghost
15145 | D:10 | Killed a flayed ghost
15145 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru
15155 | D:10 | Identified Tenem's Compendium of Igneous Evil Magic
15165 | D:10 | Got a slimy shortbow
15166 | D:10 | Identified the +3 shortbow "Zomiul Egryt" {freeze, +Fly rF+ rC- rN+++} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
15502 | D:9 | Noticed Joseph
15511 | D:9 | Killed Joseph
15572 | D:9 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
15886 | D:9 | Reached skill level 16 in Bows
15899 | D:9 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
16098 | D:9 | Noticed Prince Ribbit
16100 | D:9 | Killed Prince Ribbit
16194 | D:9 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
16543 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
18035 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru
18035 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 17 in Bows
18799 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 106/106 MP: 17/17
18889 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
18918 | Lair:3 | Noticed a five-headed hydra
18928 | Lair:3 | Killed a five-headed hydra
19621 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
20238 | Lair:4 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
20257 | Lair:4 | Killed a seven-headed hydra
20346 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
20351 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 18 in Bows
20554 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
21164 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru
21166 | Lair:5 | Got a warped longbow {god gift}
21227 | Lair:4 | Identified the +5 longbow of Glory {speed, SInv} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
21711 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
22273 | Lair:5 | Noticed a queen ant
22305 | Lair:5 | Killed a queen ant
22442 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 115/115 MP: 19/19
22559 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru
22765 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 19 in Bows
23949 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru
24399 | Lair:6 | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru
24399 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
24665 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
25205 | Lair:7 | Got a jewelled dagger
25290 | Lair:7 | Identified the cursed +1 dagger of Destiny {drain, rPois Int+4} (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
25670 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
25781 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 20 in Bows
26047 | Lair:8 | Noticed Snorg
26082 | Lair:8 | Killed Snorg
26386 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
26498 | Lair:8 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
26498 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
26618 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 125/125 MP: 21/21
26733 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru
27118 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru
27172 | Lair:8 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
27222 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru
27517 | Lair:8 | Found a gateway to Hell.
29151 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
29412 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
30032 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord
30128 | Orc:2 | Killed an orc warlord
30479 | Orc:2 | Gained mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands. [a neqoxec]
30658 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru
30778 | Orc:2 | Found Faprapleq's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
30778 | Orc:2 | Found Bipet's General Store.
30780 | Orc:2 | Found Nuixtuff's Antique Armour Shoppe.
30780 | Orc:2 | Found Nojuack's Gadget Emporium.
30803 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
31108 | Orc:2 | Bought a pair of embroidered gloves for 121 gold pieces
31116 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
31116 | Orc:2 | Bought 3 potions of heal wounds for 225 gold pieces
31116 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
31116 | Orc:2 | Bought a potion of degeneration for 15 gold pieces
31116 | Orc:2 | Bought a wand of teleportation (3/9) for 315 gold pieces
31134 | Orc:2 | Bought a transparent plate armour for 756 gold pieces
31144 | Orc:2 | Identified the cursed +1 plate armour of Honour {rN+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
31467 | Orc:2 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 136/136 MP: 22/22
31481 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
31694 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
31837 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
31941 | Elf:1 | Noticed Kirke
31967 | Elf:1 | Killed Kirke
32095 | Elf:1 | HP: 6/136 [earth elemental[a deep elf elementalist] (25)]
32209 | Elf:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
32780 | D:8 | Identified a scroll of acquirement
32929 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru
33214 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
33217 | Spider:1 | Noticed Louise
33234 | Spider:1 | Killed Louise
34043 | Spider:1 | Noticed Josephine
34055 | Spider:1 | Killed Josephine
35528 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru
35812 | Spider:2 | Noticed Agnes
35821 | Spider:2 | Killed Agnes
37064 | D:8 | Bought the +2 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--} for 1485 gold pieces
37896 | Spider:2 | Noticed Norris
38123 | Spider:2 | Killed Norris
38197 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 126/147 MP: 23/23
38424 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru
39563 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
40409 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
40410 | Spider:3 | Got a shimmering shortbow {god gift}
40412 | Spider:3 | Identified the +0 shortbow of Execution {flame, MP+9 Dex+4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Spider Nest)
40532 | Spider:3 | Noticed Roxanne
40774 | Spider:3 | Killed Roxanne
40781 | Spider:3 | Identified Roxanne's Almanac of Changing (You took it off Roxanne on level 3 of the Spider Nest)
41107 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
41118 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
41603 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
42165 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
42166 | Spider:4 | Got a slimy ring mail {god gift}
42251 | Spider:4 | Identified the +0 ring mail "Ravvyqoi" {+Fly rF++} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Spider Nest)
44390 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
44533 | Spider:4 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 137/156 MP: 17/24
44568 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
44665 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
45970 | D:12 | Got an ancient plate armour
45981 | D:12 | Identified the +1 plate armour of the Forsaken Places {rC+ Str-3 Int+7 Dex-4} (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)
46752 | D:13 | Found a flagged portal.
46768 | Bailey | Entered a bailey
47132 | Bailey | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
47398 | Bailey | Got a slimy dagger
47588 | D:13 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
48497 | D:14 | Noticed Urug
48514 | D:14 | Killed Urug
49012 | D:14 | Received a gift from Okawaru
49134 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults.
49923 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
50221 | D:15 | Received a gift from Okawaru
50489 | D:14 | Identified the +6 dagger "Fyndig's Peril" {pierce, rPois MR+} (You found it in a bailey)
51623 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths.
52750 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
53314 | Shoals:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 168/168 MP: 25/25
Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------+-----
Unarmed Combat | 1 2 5 7 8 9 11 12 | 12.8
Bows | 6 7 8 9 11 13 15 17 18 20 | 20.2
Evocations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.1
Fighting | 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 | 16.6
Invocations | 2 5 6 7 9 10 | 10.0
Dodging | 2 5 7 8 9 | 9.1
Armour | 1 4 6 8 9 | 9.0
Stealth | | 0.5
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword | 113 | 132 | 248 | | | || 493
Kick | 14 | 32 | 131 | 43 | 117 | 602 || 939
Punch | | 1 | 1 | 1 | 11 | 100 || 114
Dagger | | | 94 | | | || 94
Spear | | | 66 | 200 | | || 266
Unarmed | | | | 10 | 286 | 1534 || 1830
Longbow | | | | | 1 | || 1
Fire: Shortbow | 2 | 49 | 167 | 194 | | || 412
Longbow | | | | 545 | 1496 | 423 || 2464
Invok: Heroism | | | 2 | 7 | 16 | 23 || 48
Finesse | | | | | 3 | 6 || 9
Abil: Evoke Berserk Rag | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | | || 5
Stop Flying | | | | | 1 | || 1
Evoke Flight | | | | | 1 | || 1
Evoke: Wand | | | | | 3 | 9 || 12
Use: Scroll | | | 8 | 12 | 27 | 16 || 63
Potion | | | 2 | | 5 | 6 || 13
Eat: Chunk | 2 | 10 | 16 | 28 | 34 | 30 || 120
Fruit | | | | 1 | | 3 || 4
Meat ration | | | | | 1 | 2 || 3
Armor: Leather armour | 58 | 35 | 91 | 121 | 13 | || 318
Robe | | | | 45 | 182 | 223 || 450
Ring mail | | | | | | 250 || 250
Skin | | | | | | 2 || 2
Plate armour | | | | | | 569 || 569
Dodge: Dodged | 58 | 49 | 214 | 297 | 212 | 949 || 1779
My questions:
1. With my Bows skill at ~16 and Poles at 0, Oka gifted me a quarterstaff. I was wielding a bow, but I had a spear in my inventory. I am only training UC and Bows, so I only want bows. I guess I have to keep all other weapon types out of my inventory?
2. Once I don’t need to worry about running out of arrows, when is appropriate to use a melee attack? What’s a good melee pairing for bows?
The guide says Unarmed Combat, partially because Centaurs have a 0 aptitude rather than -1 (the rest of the non-ranged choices). I’ve been training UC, so it would be a bit of waste now to switch, but I’m curious what other people think. I’ve never played a UC character before.
3. How should I approach armor for Centaur Hunter? What armor should I aim for? What about the Armor skill? Dodging? For a ranged character, is AC better than Evasion or vice versa?
It seems like the idea with the CeHu is that they have great ranged skill, but it’s bad news for them if more a couple of enemies get to melee range.
4. As the guide suggests, I have enchanted a longbow to +7 so TSO can bless it later (it happens to be Velocity). Is the longbow I have now (artifact +5 speed) an endgame non-holy bow? If I could rustle up a +9 flaming or freezing, would that be better?
5. Should I be raising Strength or Dexterity? I’m just not clear (even after reading the wiki) which will increase my DPS more, and for that matter whether I should increase DPS past a certain point or work on defense instead.
6. Should I train Bows past mindelay for longbows (i.e., past 20)?
7. Am I right that skill aptitudes only affect how much experience it takes to advance the skill? That is, 10.0 dodging for a Centaur is the same as 10.0 dodging for a Spriggan, but the Spriggan can get 10.0 dodging much more quickly?
8. How bad is it for 15 runes if I don’t find Portal Projectile? Are there other utility spells I should look out for?
Any other observations (helpful or otherwise) are welcome!
Thanks very much for any help!
