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skjarl wrote:As a Vine Stalker monk, the 3 I killed knocked my dick in the dirt before I took them down. I had to burn a lot of consumables on each one before I finally managed to grab the rune. I ran away before the others found me. They are definitely no joke.
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Attack: Deep Elf Venom Mage vs. ghost moth (4000 rounds) (2014/05/11/19:00:27)
Deep Elf Venom Mage: XL 15 Str 5 Int 22 Dex 15
Wielding: +4,+4 flail, Skill: Maces & Flails
ghost moth: HD 13 AC 8 EV 10
Maces & Fl | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam
0 | 3.3 | 15 | 43% | 1.4 | 140 | 0.71 | 1.0
1 | 3.5 | 15 | 46% | 1.6 | 135 | 0.74 | 1.2
2 | 3.4 | 15 | 47% | 1.6 | 130 | 0.77 | 1.2
3 | 3.4 | 17 | 46% | 1.6 | 125 | 0.80 | 1.2
4 | 3.6 | 18 | 48% | 1.7 | 120 | 0.83 | 1.4
5 | 3.5 | 15 | 48% | 1.7 | 115 | 0.87 | 1.5
6 | 3.4 | 18 | 48% | 1.7 | 110 | 0.91 | 1.5
7 | 3.6 | 17 | 49% | 1.8 | 105 | 0.95 | 1.7
8 | 3.8 | 16 | 49% | 1.9 | 100 | 1.00 | 1.9
9 | 3.9 | 18 | 50% | 2.0 | 95 | 1.05 | 2.1
10 | 4.0 | 20 | 51% | 2.0 | 90 | 1.11 | 2.2
11 | 4.1 | 17 | 51% | 2.1 | 85 | 1.18 | 2.5
12 | 4.1 | 20 | 52% | 2.1 | 80 | 1.25 | 2.7
13 | 4.1 | 18 | 53% | 2.2 | 75 | 1.33 | 2.9
14 | 4.1 | 22 | 54% | 2.3 | 70 | 1.43 | 3.2
15 | 4.3 | 22 | 54% | 2.3 | 70 | 1.43 | 3.3
16 | 4.3 | 22 | 56% | 2.4 | 70 | 1.43 | 3.5
17 | 4.6 | 20 | 56% | 2.6 | 70 | 1.43 | 3.7
18 | 4.8 | 20 | 56% | 2.7 | 70 | 1.43 | 3.8
19 | 4.7 | 22 | 58% | 2.8 | 70 | 1.43 | 3.9
20 | 4.8 | 25 | 57% | 2.8 | 70 | 1.43 | 4.0
21 | 4.9 | 21 | 56% | 2.8 | 70 | 1.43 | 3.9
22 | 5.0 | 22 | 59% | 3.0 | 70 | 1.43 | 4.2
23 | 4.9 | 27 | 59% | 2.9 | 70 | 1.43 | 4.2
24 | 5.2 | 23 | 59% | 3.1 | 70 | 1.43 | 4.4
25 | 5.0 | 24 | 57% | 2.9 | 70 | 1.43 | 4.1
26 | 5.4 | 22 | 59% | 3.2 | 70 | 1.43 | 4.6
27 | 5.4 | 25 | 60% | 3.2 | 70 | 1.43 | 4.6
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HP 26/92 AC 11 Str 4 (5) XL: 15 Next: 3%
MP 0/40 EV 20 Int 21 (22) God: No God 0 (0)
Gold 0 SH 0 Dex 12 (15) Spells: 1 memorised, 46 levels left
You closely miss something. Something barely misses you.
Something barely misses you. Something closely misses you.
You whack something! You burn something. Something hits you.
You feel clumsy.
Something barely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You hit something. You burn something.
You closely miss something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something hits you. x2
You feel clumsy.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You miss something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something hits you but does no damage. Something closely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You closely miss something.
You whack something! You burn something. Something misses you.
Something hits you but does no damage.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You hit something but do no damage. Something closely misses you.
Something hits you!
Something stings you but does no damage.
You hit something but do no damage. Something barely misses you.
Something closely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You hit something. You burn something.
You whack something! You burn something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something hits you! Something hits you.
You feel dopey.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You closely miss something. Something hits you but does no damage.
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something closely misses you.
You whack something! You burn something.
You hit something. You burn something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something closely misses you. Something hits you but does no damage.
Something stings you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You whack something! You burn something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something hits you but does no damage. Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel weakened.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You miss something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something completely misses you. Something hits you but does no damage.
Something misses you.
You barely miss something.
You whack something! You burn something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel clumsy.
Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something stings you but does no damage.
You whack something! You burn something. Something barely misses you.
Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something stings you but does no damage.
You whack something! You burn something.
Reactivating autopickup.
You feel a bit more experienced.
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Abominae wrote:I would not use DE (a decidedly niche race) as an example for your argument. It would be much more convincing to use a species that actually attempts to function like most other species in Crawl.
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Sar wrote:Whips of daemonic origin do satisfy me, yes. Now, try buffing?
You feel you are being watched by something.
Deactivating autopickup; reactivate with Ctrl-A.
Something hits you but does no damage. x2
Something stings you.
You are poisoned.
Something poisons you!
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel yourself speed up.
You feel very sick.
Something barely misses you. Something closely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
You closely miss something. You feel sick.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something hits you! Something hits you. Something stings you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You are lethally poisoned!
Something poisons you!
You barely miss something.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
You closely miss something.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
Something hits you but does no damage. x2
Something barely misses you.
You miss something.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
You hit something but do no damage.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something hits you but does no damage. Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something stings you but does no damage.
You hit something. You burn something.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
You miss something.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something hits you but does no damage. Something stings you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You closely miss something.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
You whack something! You burn something.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel sick.
You whack something! You burn something!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
Something hits you!
Die?
Thought so. Something barely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Reactivating autopickup.
j - a ring of see invisible (left hand) {sInv, !d}
You feel sick.
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-658-g449be1d (tiles) character file.
DEFE the Eclecticist (Deep Elf Venom Mage) Turns: 1259, Time: 00:10:49
HP 90/92 AC 11 Str 9 (10) XL: 15 Next: 3%
MP 0/40 EV 22 Int 20 (22) God: No God 0 (0)
Gold 0 SH 0 Dex 14 (15) Spells: 1 memorised, 46 levels left
rFire . . . SeeInvis + k - +5 demon whip (flame)
rCold . . . Clarity . a - +2 robe
rNeg . . . Conserve . (no shield)
rPois . rCorr . e - +2 helmet
rElec . rRot . d - +2 cloak
SustAb . . Spirit . f - +0 pair of gloves
rMut . Warding . (no boots)
Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet)
MR +.... (no ring)
j - ring of see invisible {sInv, !d}
@: mighty, very slightly contaminated, hasted, very quick, somewhat resistant to
hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: no striking features
a: no special abilities
You are on level 1 of the Dungeon.
You are not hungry.
You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 1 of its levels.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
g - a +4,+4 flail
k - a +5,+5 demon whip of flaming (weapon)
Armour
a - a +2 robe (worn)
d - a +2 cloak (worn)
e - a +2 helmet (worn)
f - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Jewellery
j - a ring of see invisible (left hand) {sInv, !d}
Potions
h - 9 potions of restore abilities
i - 9 potions of curing
l - 10 potions of haste
m - 11 potions of might
Books
b - a Young Poisoner's Handbook
Spells Type Level
*Sting Conjuration/Poison 1
Cure Poison Poison 2
Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3
Olgreb's Toxic Radiance Poison 4
Venom Bolt Conjuration/Poison 5
Skills:
- Level 10.0 Fighting
- Level 10.0 Maces & Flails
+ Level 15.6 Dodging
+ Level 16.8 Stealth
+ Level 16.8 Spellcasting
+ Level 14.8 Poison Magic
You have 46 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
z - Sting Conj/Pois 25 (25) 1% 1 0
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (1/15)
Altars:
Message History
Enter Wizard Command (? - help):
) - weapons ( - missiles [ - armour / - wands ? - scrolls
= - jewellery ! - potions : - books | - staves \ - rods
} - miscellany X - corpses % - food $ - gold 0 - the Orb
ESC - exit
What class of item? !
What type of item? might
Potion of might
Something appears at your feet!
m - 12 potions of might
You start resting.
You are feeling very hungry.
You start resting.
Your extra speed is starting to run out.
Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You finish eating. That bread ration really hit the spot!
You start resting.
You feel yourself slow down.
You start resting.
HP restored.
Your magical contamination has completely faded away.
You start resting.
Magic restored.
Enter Wizard Command (? - help):
Enter monster name (or MONS spec):
A ghost moth comes into view.
You remove your ring of see invisible {sInv, !d}.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Deactivating autopickup; reactivate with Ctrl-A.
Something hits you!
You feel clumsy.
Something hits you!
Something stings you but does no damage.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel yourself speed up.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something hits you!
You feel weakened.
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something misses you.
You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel very mighty all of a sudden.
Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something closely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You hit something. You burn something.
You barely miss something. Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel dopey.
Something barely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You completely miss something.
You hit something. You burn something. Something barely misses you.
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something stings you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You miss something.
You hit something. You burn something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something hits you but does no damage. Something completely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You miss something.
You closely miss something. Something closely misses you.
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something completely misses you.
You barely miss something.
You barely miss something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something misses you. Something hits you but does no damage.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You barely miss something.
You barely miss something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something completely misses you. Something stings you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You whack something! You burn something.
You barely miss something. Something hits you!
Die?
Thought so. Something closely misses you. Something stings you.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Reactivating autopickup.
j - a ring of see invisible (left hand) {sInv, !d}
Saving game... please wait.
Lua error: init.txt:651: unexpected symbol near '#'
Welcome back, DEFE the Deep Elf Venom Mage.
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel
Here: a ghost moth (lightly wounded, slightly transparent)
The floor.
Saving game... please wait.
##############
#............#
#.........##.#
#.........##.#######
#.........##........
#...###...##.#######
#..##.##..##.#
#..#...#..##.#
#..+.@.+..##.#
#..#.y.#..##.#######
#..##.##............
#...###...##.#######
#####.........##.#######
#.......................
#.##....................
#.######.#####..........
#.# #.# #..........
You can see a ghost moth (invisible).
Vanquished Creatures
A ghost moth (D:1)
A ghost (D:1)
2 creatures vanquished.
Notes
Turn | Place | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
0 | D:1 | DEFE, the Deep Elf Venom Mage, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 5/5
0 | D:1 | Entered wizard mode.
0 | D:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
0 | D:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/23
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 5/25
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 5/27
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 5/29
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 5/31
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 5/32
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/41 MP: 5/33
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 5/34
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 50/50 MP: 5/36
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 54/54 MP: 5/36
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 59/59 MP: 5/37
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 63/63 MP: 5/38
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 68/68 MP: 5/39
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 72/72 MP: 5/40
113 | D:1 | Lost strength.
113 | D:1 | Lost dexterity.
113 | D:1 | Lost intelligence.
121 | D:1 | HP: 2/92 [poisoned by a ghost moth]
122 | D:1 | Succumbed to a ghost moth's poison
... while paralysed
124 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:80 current:12
124 | D:1 | Succumbed to a ghost moth's poison
126 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:80 current:12
402 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:46 current:45
598 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:26 current:45
601 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:12 current:20
603 | D:1 | HP: 3/92 [something (5)]
604 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:8 current:3
604 | D:1 | Succumbed to a ghost moth's poison
1092 | D:1 | Slain by a ghost moth (16 damage)
1257 | D:1 | Mangled by a ghost moth (15 damage)
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Flail | | | | |116015 ||116015
Demon whip | | | | |112044 ||112044
Use: Potion | | | | | 9 || 9
Stab: Sleeping | | | | | 1 || 1
Vault maps used:
D:1: dpeg_arrival_shelter, minmay_misc_feat_secret_circle
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-658-g449be1d (tiles) character file.
DEFE the Eclecticist (Deep Elf Venom Mage) Turns: 1688, Time: 00:13:02
HP 48/92 AC 11 Str 9 (10) XL: 15 Next: 10%
MP 6/40 EV 23 Int 22 God: No God 0 (0)
Gold 0 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 1 memorised, 46 levels left
rFire . . . SeeInvis . k - +5 demon whip (flame)
rCold . . . Clarity . a - +2 robe
rNeg . . . Conserve . (no shield)
rPois . rCorr . e - +2 helmet
rElec . rRot . d - +2 cloak
SustAb . . Spirit . f - +0 pair of gloves
rMut . Warding . (no boots)
Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet)
MR +.... (no ring)
(no ring)
@: mighty, seriously poisoned, very slightly contaminated, hasted, very quick,
somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: no striking features
a: no special abilities
You are on level 1 of the Dungeon.
You are not hungry.
You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 1 of its levels.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
g - a +4,+4 flail
k - a +5,+5 demon whip of flaming (weapon)
Armour
a - a +2 robe (worn)
d - a +2 cloak (worn)
e - a +2 helmet (worn)
f - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Jewellery
j - an uncursed ring of see invisible {sInv, !d}
Potions
h - 8 potions of restore abilities
i - 9 potions of curing
l - 8 potions of haste
m - 9 potions of might
Books
b - a Young Poisoner's Handbook
Spells Type Level
*Sting Conjuration/Poison 1
Cure Poison Poison 2
Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3
Olgreb's Toxic Radiance Poison 4
Venom Bolt Conjuration/Poison 5
Skills:
- Level 10.0 Fighting
- Level 10.0 Maces & Flails
+ Level 15.6 Dodging
+ Level 16.8 Stealth
+ Level 16.9 Spellcasting
+ Level 14.9 Poison Magic
You have 46 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
z - Sting Conj/Pois 25 (25) 1% 1 0
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (1/15)
Altars:
Message History
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon, spattered with blood here.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel yourself speed up.
You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel very mighty all of a sudden.
Enter Wizard Command (? - help):
Enter monster name (or MONS spec):
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
j - a ring of see invisible (left hand) {sInv, !d}
A ghost moth comes into view.
You remove your ring of see invisible {sInv, !d}.
What do you say?
t - Shout!
Orders for allies: a - Attack new target.
r - Retreat! s - Stop attacking.
w - Wait here. f - Follow me.
Anything else - Stay silent.
You shout for attention!
Something closely misses you. Something hits you but does no damage.
Deactivating autopickup; reactivate with Ctrl-A.
Something misses you.
You thrash something!! You burn something.
You miss something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something hits you but does no damage. Something hits you.
You feel weakened.
Something completely misses you.
Damage: -2%(-2hp) hp: 98%(90hp)
You barely miss something.
You whack something! You burn something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
Something barely misses you. Something hits you. Something misses you.
Damage: -3%(-3hp) hp: 95%(87hp)
You barely miss something.
You barely miss something.
You feel you are being watched by something.
* * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * *
Something completely misses you. Something closely misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
You whack something! You burn something!
You miss something. Something hits you but does no damage.
Something hits you! Something stings you.
You are poisoned.
Something poisons you!
Huge Dmg: -24%(-22hp) hp: 71%(65hp)
You whack something! You burn something. You feel sick.
Damage: -2%(-2hp) hp: 69%(63hp)
You closely miss something. You feel sick. Something barely misses you.
Something misses you.
Something stings you but does no damage.
Damage: -2%(-2hp) hp: 67%(61hp)
You whack something! You burn something. You feel sick.
You thrash something!! You burn something. You feel sick.
Something hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something hits you but does no damage.
Something stings you but does no damage.
Damage: -11%(-10hp) hp: 56%(51hp)
You closely miss something. You feel sick.
Damage: -1%(-1hp) hp: 55%(50hp)
You thrash something!! You burn something.
Reactivating autopickup.
You feel a bit more experienced. You feel sick.
Damage: -2%(-2hp) hp: 53%(48hp)
Saving game... please wait.
##############
#............#
#.........##.#
#.........##.#######
#.........##........
#...###...##.#######
#..##.##..##.#
#..#...#..##.#
#..+.@.+..##.#
#..#...#..##.#######
#..##.##............
#...###...##.#######
#####.........##.#######
#.......................
#.##....................
#.######.#####..........
#.# #.# #..........
There are no monsters in sight!
Vanquished Creatures
3 ghost moths (D:1)
A ghost (D:1)
4 creatures vanquished.
Notes
Turn | Place | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
0 | D:1 | DEFE, the Deep Elf Venom Mage, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 5/5
0 | D:1 | Entered wizard mode.
0 | D:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
0 | D:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/23
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 5/25
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 5/27
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 5/29
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 5/31
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 5/32
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/41 MP: 5/33
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 5/34
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 50/50 MP: 5/36
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 54/54 MP: 5/36
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 59/59 MP: 5/37
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 63/63 MP: 5/38
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 68/68 MP: 5/39
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 72/72 MP: 5/40
113 | D:1 | Lost strength.
113 | D:1 | Lost dexterity.
113 | D:1 | Lost intelligence.
121 | D:1 | HP: 2/92 [poisoned by a ghost moth]
122 | D:1 | Succumbed to a ghost moth's poison
... while paralysed
124 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:80 current:12
124 | D:1 | Succumbed to a ghost moth's poison
126 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:80 current:12
402 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:46 current:45
598 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:26 current:45
601 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:12 current:20
603 | D:1 | HP: 3/92 [something (5)]
604 | D:1 | =================== Autoexit: lost:8 current:3
604 | D:1 | Succumbed to a ghost moth's poison
1092 | D:1 | Slain by a ghost moth (16 damage)
1257 | D:1 | Mangled by a ghost moth (15 damage)
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Flail | | | | |116015 ||116015
Demon whip | | | | |112066 ||112066
Use: Potion | | | | | 14 || 14
Stab: Sleeping | | | | | 1 || 1
Vault maps used:
D:1: dpeg_arrival_shelter, minmay_misc_feat_secret_circle
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crate wrote:um quaffing potions when the moth is already next to you is an awful test lol
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Hurkyl wrote:crate wrote:um quaffing potions when the moth is already next to you is an awful test lol
Because you are always three squares away from an invisible monster when you first notice it....
Sandman25 wrote:Ok, here is quaffing Haste and Might before fighting. Do you think 48 HP is enough to fight another Ghost Moth?
Sandman25 wrote:Ok, here is quaffing Haste and Might before fighting. Do you think 48 HP is enough to fight another Ghost Moth?
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Sandman25 wrote:You can assume that I know how to clear Spider or at least escape, but please be honest to stop pretending that melee with Ghost Moth even with +5 Demon Whip of flaming and Haste/Might potions is a normal(recommended) experience for caster.
It's in the same league as walking 5 tiles to melee Mara - possible but stupidly dangerous.
Sandman25 wrote:How are you going to fight Emperor Scorpions, Tarantellas, Wolf Spiders, Jumping Spiders etc. with 0 MP and 48 HP?
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crate wrote:edit:Sandman25 wrote:Ok, here is quaffing Haste and Might before fighting. Do you think 48 HP is enough to fight another Ghost Moth?
I have not fought two ghost moths at once in spider probably ever.
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tabstorm wrote:@Sandman25 I think everyone else is assuming a "properly" played DE caster something along the lines of:
1. Get enough skill to use your level 4 spell to get you through early game
2. Take dex on level ups and maybe str for carrying capacity, no int
3. Maybe train a bit more magic for a level 6 bolt or something at some point, but probably not at this point in the game
4. Focus on melee
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed | 7 | | | | | | | | || 7
Dagger | | | 4 | 3 | 3 | | | | || 10
Staff | | | | | | 3 | 2 | | || 5
Lance | | | | | | 29 | 99 | 243 | 848 || 1219
Fire: Blowgun | | | | 9 | 9 | | | | || 18
Throw: Dart | 18 | | | | | | | | || 18
Dagger | 6 | | | | | | | | || 6
Cast: Flame Tongue | 48 | 63 | 197 | 237 | | | | | || 545
Throw Flame | 31 | 32 | 135 | 130 | 343 | 41 | 49 | 16 | || 777
Conjure Flame | | 2 | 40 | 19 | 17 | 3 | 3 | 4 | || 88
Sticky Flame | | | 14 | 43 | 36 | 98 | 45 | 20 | || 256
Iskenderun's Myst | | | 3 | 2 | | | | | || 5
Fireball | | | | 91 | 205 | 163 | 57 | 108 | 16 || 640
Bolt of Magma | | | | 46 | 135 | 5 | | | || 186
Repel Missiles | | | | | 233 | 167 | 227 | 170 | 494 || 1291
Bolt of Fire | | | | | 293 | 498 | 501 | 422 | 2648 || 4362
Poisonous Cloud | | | | | 37 | 155 | 147 | 45 | 4 || 388
Iron Shot | | | | | 37 | 39 | 58 | 74 | 941 || 1149
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tabstorm wrote:many players find interaction with enemies in ways that are not melee boring
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tabstorm wrote:Hitting zd zd zd repeatedly for fireball can be considered just as boring, furthermore you don't need to even move and there are fewer positional considerations. I think it's the sort of thing that a bot would struggle with to some extent even if it's relatively easy for a player.
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and into wrote:Positioning matters most when you are doing melee, and positioning is one of the deepest tactical aspects of the game, compared to a dude with spells like fireball.
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Sandman25 wrote:This is main reason why our experience differ IMHO. Fireball is not a trivial spell to use, it cannot be targeted at walls so player should create a situation when adjacent monster is hurt but the player is not. Freeze is closer to melee being a range 1 spell. Yes, positioning matters most for melee, but positioning for spells is more varied and tricky, I find that Fireball/Bolt positioning is more complicated than one of Freeze/melee.
What's so tricky in melee positioning except breaking LoF by hiding behind monsters while you cannot attack? Many spells have different range in orthogonal and diagonal directions, that's trickier IMHO.
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when built as a pure caster
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Sandman25 wrote:I prefer pure casters
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Lasty wrote:This is one of the most elaborately terrible strawmen I've ever seen.
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Lasty wrote:In that sentence I'm not referring to your wizmode build, which I detail afterwards. I'm referring to the overall argument you're trying to make, which is from the position:Sandman25 wrote:I prefer pure casters
My criticisms of your strawman wizmode build are spelled out quite clearly below the line at which you chose to stop reading. Of course, I can't stop you from ignoring this post as well, or any other attempt to communicate with you, but that's really on you, not me.
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