Which item to buy?

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 02:28 by Grujah

I'm A Hill Orc Fighter of Beogh. Not sure if it was good idea choosing Polearms over Axes, but well, I did.
I cleared the Orc Mines (for the first time, actually), and I have some extra gold, and am not sure what I should buy.
Here's my dump:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13.1 (tiles) character file. Ewogus the Impaler (Hill Orc Fighter) Turns: 19174, Time: 01:38:39 HP 113/113 AC 19 Str 24 XL: 13 Next: 1% MP 21/21 EV 6 Int 11 God: Beogh [*****.] Gold 1548 SH 27 Dex 10 Spells: 0 memorised, 12 levels left Res.Fire : + + . See Invis. : . a - +4 orc trident (pierce) Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . y - +6 chain mail of Royalty {+Blink rN+} Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . c - +1 orc shield Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : + Clarity : . o - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: + . Spirit.Shd : + (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Flight : . J - amulet of Beauty {tried, Spirit Int+3} Saprovore : + . . P - ring "Wuoroag" {SustAb rF+ rC+} f - ring of protection from fire @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: walk on water, beak, saprovore 1, electricity resistance, evolution 1, AC +1 a: Smiting, Recall Orcish Followers, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink You are on level 1 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Beogh. Beogh is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels. You have also visited: Bailey. You have collected 1872 gold pieces. You have spent 344 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +4,+4 orcish trident of piercing (weapon) j - a runed orcish trident w - a +0,+1 trident of pain W - an orcish hand axe (quivered) Y - a glowing longbow Armour c - a +1 orcish shield (worn) n - a +6 plate armour of ponderousness o - a +0 cloak (worn) y - the +6 chain mail of Royalty (worn) {+Blink rN+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) It protects you from negative energy. It lets you blink. L - a +2 orcish plate armour Magical devices b - a wand of flame {empty} h - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 2} l - a wand of flame {zapped: 1} H - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2} Q - an encrusted bronze wand {zapped: 1} {tried} U - a wand of cold {zapped: 4} Comestibles d - 4 meat rations g - 6 bread rations i - 2 lychees r - 2 pears s - a cheese t - 3 rambutans C - a snozzcumber D - 4 chokos G - 3 apples I - 5 sultanas O - 4 bananas V - an orange Scrolls k - 3 scrolls of teleportation q - 4 scrolls of remove curse z - 4 scrolls of fear K - a scroll of fog Jewellery f - a ring of protection from fire (left hand) m - a cursed ring of teleportation u - a cursed amulet of clarity x - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion J - the amulet of Beauty (around neck) {tried, Spirit Int+3} P - the ring "Wuoroag" (right hand) {SustAb rF+ rC+} (You took it off an orc in a bailey) [ring of sustain abilities] It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. R - an uncursed ring of hunger S - a ring of protection from fire Potions e - 3 potions of restore abilities p - a potion of invisibility v - 3 potions of curing A - a potion of speed B - a potion of degeneration E - a potion of mutation F - a potion of flight N - a potion of resistance T - a potion of agility Miscellaneous Z - a stone of tremors Skills: + Level 11.8 Fighting + Level 15.6 Polearms - Level 8.2 Armour - Level 8.5 Shields - Level 5.8 Invocations - Level 5.3 Evocations You have 12 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (13/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc (4/4) D:6 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Shops: D:5 ? D:8 [?/?[ D:9 } D:10 ? Orc:3 [ Orc:4 %}}? Portals: Ziggurat: D:9 (3530 gp) Annotations: D:11 exclusions: electric eel and 1 more exclusion Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk on water. You can tolerate rotten meat. You have a beak for a mouth. You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1). You are resistant to electric shocks. You evolve. Message History There is a stone staircase leading down here. There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here. You climb upwards. There is a stone staircase leading down here. You see here an orcish whip. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Ewogus the Hill Orc Fighter. Beogh says: Drown the unbelievers in a sea of blood! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Search for what [? for help]? (D) Dungeon (T) Temple (O) Orcish Mines (E) Elven Halls Where to? (? - help) Okay, then. Search for what [? for help]? Halls Unknown command. Search for what [Enter for "Halls", or ? for help]? Ziggurat Unknown command. Saving game... please wait. ................#....#..[...# .##.......#.....###.#.#...... .#...........)...#........#.# .#...........)[.##o........## ###....#......)..##.#.......# # ###.#####....)..[..#...[.#. ####.###........#........ #...##)).....#......... #....)))............... ##......oo.............. #o..)..))@o.#..........# ###.......o)............# ##......#..............>.. #..........)...[.......... ##...........))).......... ###...................... ###.......)............ #.................... ##....#..[........... ####.#.##............... You can see a neutral orc (wandering), the friendly Oruk the orc knight, a friendly orc warrior, a friendly orc priest and a friendly orc wizard. Vanquished Creatures 2 unseen horrors (D:10) Erolcha (D:11) 2 hill giants (D:10) 8 orc knights A cyclops (D:9) 6 trolls 3 spectral orcs (Orc:3) 3 slime creatures (D:12) 9 yaks (D:10) A wyvern (D:8) A hippogriff (D:11) A hill giant zombie (D:10) A hill giant skeleton (D:12) A hungry ghost (D:8) 5 wolves (D:11) A necrophage (D:11) 20 orc warriors A yellow wasp (D:11) A black bear (D:12) A deep dwarf (D:8) 4 sky beasts 10 ogres 5 centaurs A crocodile (D:8) 5 wargs A gnoll sergeant (Orc:4) 3 water moccasins 11 giant frogs A rock worm zombie (D:12) 16 killer bees 3 jellies (D:8) A hippogriff skeleton (D:9) A troll skeleton (D:12) 7 wights 5 crimson imps A giant frog zombie (D:6) 4 goliath beetles A black bear zombie (D:7) A centaur skeleton (D:11) 6 hounds 14 orc priests A centaur zombie (D:7) 3 iguanas 15 orc wizards 4 scorpions 2 worker ants 2 ogre skeletons A mummy (D:12) 9 gnolls 14 adders A worker ant zombie (D:10) A giant centipede (D:9) An inept feature mimic (D:7) 6 worms An adder skeleton (D:5) 3 giant eyeballs 2 giant geckos 95 orcs 13 bats 8 giant cockroaches 16 goblins 16 hobgoblins 17 jackals 21 kobolds 6 quokkas A ball python (D:2) 3 giant newts 2 hobgoblin skeletons 22 rats A rat zombie (D:5) 3 ballistomycetes (D:6) 460 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An orc warlord (Orc:4) Harold (Orc:4) Nessos (Orc:3) An orc high priest (Orc:4) 2 orc knights (Orc:4) An orc sorcerer (Orc:4) Maurice (Orc:2) 2 trolls (Orc:4) 18 orc warriors 3 ogres A crimson imp (Orc:4) 2 orc wizards (Orc:4) A worker ant (D:9) 2 gnolls (Orc:4) A lemure (Orc:4) A white imp (Orc:4) 39 orcs 4 hobgoblins 3 kobolds (Bailey) 9 goblins 94 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) Nergalle (Orc:3) 2 orc knights (Orc:4) 6 orc wizards 12 orc warriors A warg (Orc:4) A giant frog (D:6) 2 orc priests 85 orcs A giant spore (D:6) 111 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 665 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Ewogus, the Hill Orc Fighter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0 110 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 23/26 MP: 1/1 796 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms 796 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 11/33 MP: 2/2 1214 | D:1 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 10/39 MP: 3/3 1513 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 1975 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 46/46 MP: 4/4 2537 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 2612 | D:3 | Paralysed by a potion of paralysis for 2 turns 2668 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 2800 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 2859 | D:4 | HP: 1/46 [ogre/giant spiked club (26)] 2867 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 2867 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 2867 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 2/52 MP: 5/5 3308 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 3637 | D:6 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 3747 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 55/59 MP: 6/6 3771 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3783 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 3790 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3983 | D:5 | Found Gamamp's Magic Scroll Emporium. 4038 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 60 gold pieces 4038 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 60 gold pieces 4476 | D:6 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 4528 | D:6 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 4552 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 4622 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 4695 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 4875 | D:6 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 5140 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 46/66 MP: 7/7 5158 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You can spit poison. [mutagenic meat] 5179 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You evolve. [mutagenic meat] 5180 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [mutagenic meat] 5248 | D:6 | Got a smoking chain mail 5373 | D:6 | Identified the +6 chain mail of Royalty {+Blink rN+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5524 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 5524 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 6203 | Orc:1 | Became a worshipper of Beogh the Brigand 6223 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms 6389 | Orc:1 | Acquired Beogh's first power 6395 | Orc:1 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 56/72 MP: 14/14 6815 | Orc:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 6947 | Orc:1 | Gained mutation: You have a beak for a mouth. [evolution] 7114 | Orc:2 | Acquired Beogh's second power 7240 | D:7 | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms 7258 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 7293 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 7493 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 7855 | D:8 | Found Itruurph's Antique Armour Boutique. 8041 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 8075 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 59/81 MP: 12/17 8103 | D:8 | Found Custrapexa's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 8168 | D:8 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 48 gold pieces 8168 | D:8 | Bought a scroll of fear for 56 gold pieces 8168 | D:8 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 48 gold pieces 8198 | D:8 | Found Oduddoleto's Magical Wand Emporium. 8205 | D:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms 8349 | D:8 | Found Reujamm's Magic Scroll Boutique. 8361 | D:7 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 8373 | D:8 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 60 gold pieces 8377 | D:8 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 8572 | D:8 | Acquired Beogh's third power 8892 | D:8 | Found Trohel's Antique Armour Emporium. 9088 | D:9 | Noticed a cyclops 9093 | D:9 | Killed a cyclops 9214 | D:9 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 9216 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9248 | D:9 | Found Cuaptol Ral's Gadget Boutique. 9711 | D:9 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 9720 | D:9 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 10189 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 10210 | D:10 | Lost mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [evolution] 10260 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 10444 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 10456 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 10456 | D:10 | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms 10456 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 56/93 MP: 19/19 10489 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 10490 | D:10 | Found Thikifro's Magic Scroll Emporium. 10572 | D:10 | Bought a scroll of immolation for 12 gold pieces 10692 | D:11 | Got a glittering zirconium amulet 10918 | D:11 | Gained mutation: You are resistant to electric shocks. [potion of beneficial mutation] 11441 | D:12 | Acquired Beogh's fourth power 11643 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1). [evolution] 11799 | D:12 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 11803 | D:12 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 11897 | D:12 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 11933 | D:12 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 11963 | D:13 | Noticed a centaur warrior 12378 | D:13 | Noticed a centaur warrior 13014 | D:11 | Noticed Erolcha 13022 | D:11 | Killed Erolcha 13022 | D:11 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 13360 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 13367 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 13529 | D:10 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 54/103 MP: 15/20 13683 | Orc:2 | Gained Brandogh as an ally 13704 | Orc:2 | Noticed a troll 13711 | Orc:2 | Killed a troll 13820 | Orc:2 | Your ally Brandogh died 13932 | Orc:3 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 13932 | Orc:3 | Found Kesum's Antique Armour Shoppe. 13932 | Orc:3 | Noticed Nergalle 14212 | Orc:2 | Noticed Maurice 14216 | Orc:2 | Paralysed by it for 7 turns 14220 | Orc:2 | Killed Maurice 14479 | Orc:3 | Noticed Nessos 14490 | Orc:3 | Nergalle (ally) was killed 14490 | Orc:3 | Your ally died 14490 | Orc:3 | Killed Nessos 14542 | Orc:3 | Acquired Beogh's fifth power 14565 | Orc:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms 14706 | Orc:3 | Found a flagged portal. 14738 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 14804 | Bailey | Gained Orbeogh as an ally 14807 | Bailey | Got a slimy wooden ring 14845 | Bailey | Identified the ring "Wuoroag" {SustAb rF+ rC+} (You took it off an orc in a bailey) 15083 | Bailey | Your ally Orbeogh died 15083 | Bailey | Was placed under penance by Beogh 15480 | Bailey | Noticed an orc warlord 15579 | Orc:3 | Lost mutation: You can spit poison. [evolution] 15750 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 15795 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 16229 | Orc:3 | Was forgiven by Beogh 16307 | Orc:3 | Gained Wargrak as an ally 16309 | Orc:3 | Your ally Wargrak died 16950 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 16977 | Orc:4 | Found Carufimu's Gadget Shop. 16977 | Orc:4 | Found Skaggiob's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 17021 | Orc:4 | Noticed an orc warlord 17022 | Orc:4 | Gained Oruk as an ally 17030 | Orc:4 | Killed an orc warlord 17290 | Orc:4 | Noticed Harold 17294 | Orc:4 | Found Prealol's Gadget Shoppe. 17316 | Orc:4 | Killed Harold 17321 | Orc:4 | Found Leomices' Food Shop. 17329 | Orc:4 | HP: 3/105 [orc warrior/orcish flail (18)] 18592 | Orc:4 | Killed an orc high priest 18592 | Orc:4 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 113/113 MP: 21/21 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Trident | 108 | 245 | 543 | 785 | || 1681 Throw: Javelin | | 4 | | | || 4 Hand axe | | | | 1 | || 1 Invok: Convert to Beogh | | | 1 | | || 1 Smiting | | | 3 | 6 | || 9 Recall Orcish Fol | | | | 1 | || 1 Abil: Spit Poison | | | 9 | 1 | || 10 Evoke Blink | | | 2 | 2 | || 4 Evoke: Wand | | | 1 | 9 | || 10 Miscellaneous | | | | 1 | || 1 Use: Scroll | | 10 | 11 | 17 | || 38 Potion | | 8 | | 9 | || 17 Stab: Distracted | | | 1 | 13 | || 14

What I am considering is one of these two:
the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR+} (1218 gold)
the +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Acc+5 Dam+5} (1802 gold)

I only have ~1500 so will have to save a bit for gauntlets.

So, tips?

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 02:40 by Wahaha

Buy the gauntlets of war, they're very good. The hat is good too, I'd buy it later.

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 03:03 by Tiktacy

Get the hat, it allows immediate access to infinite berserking if you are ever in trouble, and spirit is good for your characters.

Also, MR is crazy good, I don't know how much bear spirit gives, but just about any is worth it.

Also, rN removes the most frustrating thing in the game: draining. Well, at least that's my personal opinion, I think most people would argue otherwise, butt hats beside the point.

Gloves of war is incredibly good, you will likely use them on 99% of the characters you find them on, but the immediate use of bear spirit seems better IMO. Get them later for sure. That's just me though.

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 03:20 by Grujah

FWIW, I do have one source or rN+ (chainmail) and also Amulet of Spirit.

But I do agree that Drain is very frustrating, and rN stacks up to 3, right?

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 03:37 by duvessa

Hat of the Bear Spirit has 50 MR. Already having Spirit does make it significantly less attractive (although for the future, know that you should NEVER wear unidentified artefact jewellery! It won't identify when you put it on, so there is almost no significant benefit to doing so, and many possible detriments such as Contam, or, if you leave it on, negative resistances). It basically comes down to how much you like berserking; I would actually get the gauntlets first myself, particularly with your crappy weapon, though of course I would get the hat too later.
The rN+ should not be any sort of factor in this decision at all whatsoever.

Tiktacy wrote:butt hats beside the point.

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 03:55 by Tiktacy

Lol god do I love I pads.

Anyway, if you are like duvessa and feel confident that you won't be in a situation where you will need to berserk, then I would go with the gauntlets. If you are still going for your first win, I would say berserk is a much stronger tool for you to succeed, at least until later in the game(and by the time that happens, you will have already gotten enough for the gauntlets anyway).

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 04:02 by Grujah

Thanks for the replies.

I ended up reading a scroll which ended up being one of acquirement, and not wanting to risk it and get something crappy I opted for gold and got just nuff to get both of these items.

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 04:29 by Sandman25

Be careful with berserk, there is a chance to pass out when it ends.

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 06:19 by duvessa

Tiktacy wrote:Anyway, if you are like duvessa and feel confident that you won't be in a situation where you will need to berserk, then I would go with the gauntlets. If you are still going for your first win, I would say berserk is a much stronger tool for you to succeed, at least until later in the game

The bigger reason is that an extra +5 enchantment is really significant on a cruddy vorpal trident - which the character will be stuck with for a long time unless it switches to two-handed weapons (which I find isn't worth convincing people to do anymore). With this character's current skills and stats the gauntlets would increase its damage output by around 25% against a hydra and even more against monsters with better defenses. Yeah, berserk gives a bigger damage bonus but you can also berserk or quaff might/speed while wearing gauntlets of war!
But yeah I would have done gold acquirement and gotten both anyway, so not terribly relevant to the original poster anymore.

Thursday, 19th December 2013, 06:31 by Grujah

Got a Demon Trident of Elec, so, the crappy old thing that you keep bashing is set aside.

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