Regeneration Question

[XuaXua]

Facts as I know them: Rings of regeneration and troll hides both cause regeneration at the cost of hunger.

My questions:

1 - is the hunger equal on both?

2 - Is increased hunger only caused during times of regeneration use (while healing), or is it constant?

3 - How bad is the hunger cost?

[mageykun]

1- So far as I understand, the regeneration spell, troll hide effect, and ring all increase hunger and healing by the same amount. They all stack as well.

2- The hunger increase only kicks in while you're healing. This is different from the racial mutations, where races that get fast healing also get fast metabolism that runs all the time.

3- It's minimal. I've had a randart troll leather armor on a spriggan all game, with the regen spell too when things got hairy, and I've barely noticed the increased food cost. Still had more than enough permafood to make it through all the main branches and Zot, with chow to spare.

[JeffQyzt]

So...since you've got a different source of information - do you agree that those hunger increases only apply when the regeneration effect is active (i.e. while wounded?) Or is it always increasing the hunger factor?

[eith]

spell is the same, only hungers when its actually healing. i think its been in since 0.6

[Robsoie]

About the regeneration, i seem to have a problem with hunger and i can't find if it is related to it :

I have read on the bot that :

The regeneration mutations conflict with slow metabolism, but do not otherwise affect your nutrition.

I am currently playing a Deep Elf Air Elementalist, and this lead me to a question : is this statement always valid in 0.8.x ?

Very early in the game, while testing random potions, the character drank potion of mutation that actually gave this character " Regeneration 2 " (You heal very quickly.) and at the point i am currently :

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0-a0-5780-g8f58253 character file.

Brocke the Sorcerer (Deep Elf Air Elementalist)      Turns: 85257, Time: 08:21:28

HP  81/81        AC 13     Str 14      Exp: 20/417602 (196), need: 76597
MP  52/52        EV 22     Int 32      God: Sif Muna [******]
Gold 3876        SH  0     Dex 15      Spells: 17 memorised,  3 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .    q - +6,+5 demon whip (freeze)
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : . .  G - +2 robe {rC+ rF+}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +    (no shield)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    o - +2 wizard hat
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : +    y - +1 cloak
Res.Elec. : +       Spirit.Shd : .    e - +2 pair of gloves "Roanarhosatt" {rElec rC
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    b - +1 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    w - amulet "Zistry" {Cons MR Str+3}
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    z - ring of magical power
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    m - +5 ring of strength

@: extraordinarily resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: clarity, -10% hp, regeneration 2, Str +1, Int +2
a: Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 44 of its levels.
You have visited 2 portal chambers: ossuary, wizlab.

You have collected 3856 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 g - an uncursed hand axe (quivered)
 q - a +6,+5 demon whip of freezing (weapon)
Armour
 b - a +1 pair of boots (worn)
 e - the +2 pair of gloves "Roanarhosatt" (worn) {rElec rC+}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
 o - a +2 wizard hat (worn)
 y - a +1 cloak (worn)
 G - a +2 robe of resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of draining {zapped: 2}
 d - a wand of slowing {zapped: 1}
 f - a wand of lightning
 h - a wand of fire (1)
 j - a wand of fireball {zapped: 2}
 k - a shiny brass wand
 l - a wand of fire (10)
 n - a wand of fire
 r - a wand of frost {zapped: 4}
 s - a wand of lightning {zapped: 6}
 v - a wand of frost {zapped: 5}
 B - a wand of disintegration
 D - a wand of confusion {zapped: 5}
 F - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 5}
 I - a wand of frost
 L - a wand of digging {zapped: 2}
 O - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 1}
 P - a wand of frost
Comestibles
 c - a bread ration
 t - a meat ration
Scrolls
 C - 4 scrolls of identify
 E - a scroll of magic mapping
Jewellery
 i - an uncursed ring of ice
 m - a +5 ring of strength (left hand)
 p - an uncursed ring of levitation
 u - an uncursed ring of life protection
 w - the amulet "Zistry" (around neck) {Cons MR Str+3}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   [amulet of conservation]
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 x - a +4 ring of strength
 z - a ring of magical power (right hand)
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 J - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities


 You have 196 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 3 Fighting
 - Level 1 Axes
 - Level 8 Maces & Flails
 + Level 15 Dodging
 + Level 10 Stealth
 + Level 2 Stabbing
 + Level 3 Traps & Doors
 + Level 23 Spellcasting
 - Level 15 Conjurations
 - Level 3 Charms
 + Level 12 Summonings
 + Level 2 Translocations
 + Level 5 Ice Magic
 - Level 14 Air Magic
 - Level 4 Poison Magic
 - Level 5 Evocations


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Success   Level  Hunger
a - Shock                 Air/Conj       #####        Perfect     1    None
b - Mephitic Cloud        Pois/Air/Conj  ########..   Excellent   3    None
c - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           ########.    Excellent   4    None
d - Airstrike             Air            ########..   Excellent   4    None
e - Deflect Missiles      Air/Chrm       #######...   Excellent   6    None
f - Lightning Bolt        Air/Conj       ########..   Excellent   5    None
g - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ########.    Perfect     1    None
h - Summon Demon          Summ           ########..   Excellent   5    None
i - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          Excellent   2    None
j - Freezing Cloud        Ice/Air/Conj   ########..   Excellent   6    None
k - Slow                  Hex            ######...    Excellent   2    None
l - Abjuration            Summ           ########..   Excellent   3    None
m - Shadow Creatures      Summ           N/A          Excellent   5    None
n - Recall                Tloc/Summ      N/A          Excellent   3    None
o - Teleport Self         Tloc           N/A          Very Good   5    None
p - Haste                 Chrm           #######..    Fair        6    None
q - Apportation           Tloc           ######....   Excellent   1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (19/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:8
    Elf (0/5) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:9           Swamp (5/5) Lair:5
  Slime (0/6) Lair:6        Snake (0/5) Lair:6         Hive (2/2) D:13
  Vault (5/8) D:19          Blade (0/1) Vault:4       Crypt (0/5) Vault:3

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh

Shops:
D:9: *  Orc:4: (  Vault:5: ++

Annotations
Lair:2 exclusion: ice statue
Swamp:2 exclusion: silver statue


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
Your mind is acute (Int +2).
You are frail (-10% HP).
You heal very quickly.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).


My character is going hungry nearly every 5 minutes, often after a though fight, just resting to full health/magic is enough to get him to reach hungry, and from the Hungry status, going automatically (SHIFT+G) to Lair:1, my stash in which my permafood is stockpiled (considering i am running into the "oh i'm hungry.. to bad my chuncks rotted just a few turns ago" problem very very often) is enough to get him falling into the "Very Hungry" status.

All i can think at that point is that i played a lot with various classes while using the mummy and vampire race before going Deep Elf, so it could have made me used on not noticing the nutrition loss when not using a sustenance ring + amulet of gourmand.

I can't see anything in my dump.txt that has something increasing unnaturally that character hunger to explain why i find him so often running into the hungry status then very hungry when travelling back to my stash.
Out of the Regeneration 2 mutation, but the bot mention it does not affect nutrition.
All my spells are hunger free, so that can't be it, so is there something i am missing ?

[KoboldLord]

Your character is going from 'hungry' to 'very hungry' after making the trip all the way from Vaults 5 to Lair 1? This doesn't seem strange to me, that's a lot of turns and you're burning food at the normal rate. The difference between the top of 'hungry' and the top of 'very hungry' is only 533 units of hunger, while the difference between the top of <no message> and the top of 'hungry' is 4,399 units of hunger. With gourmand, the difference between 'engorged' and 'hungry' is 9,400 units.

The regeneration mutation doesn't cause you extra hunger, but you should carry around some permafood anyway. Or go hunt down some yaktaurs; even if you just hit 'very hungry' you should have time to find some chunks.

[Robsoie]

Nice to know that regeneration mutation does not cause hunger, it saved my Deep Elf so many times that i didn't wanted to drink one of my cure mutation potion even despite the -10% health , fearing that bad luck would keep the -10% health and delete my regeneration 2.
If it does not increase nutrition loss, no more thought about those cure mutation potion.

I didn't thought that the difference between each level of hunger were not roughly the same, should have looked that on the wiki. The quickness of the automatic travel too certainly didn't helped to make me notice that it was a lot of turns wasted each time i was going back from a branch to Lair:1.
May explain why from Hungry i was going to Very Hungry everytime then.

It's not like food is a problem in my current game as i cleared Hive, it's just that it's not really entertaining to get back and forth to my stash every time i need food, as my elf does not have much strength i avoid carrying too much permafood to make room for battle equipment, as from what i read going burndened increase the nutrition loss by turn.

Now if only those carried chuncks were not rotting that fast.

[KoboldLord]

Perhaps set up a mini-stash at the entrance to Vaults, or wherever you're clearing at the moment? Monsters won't mess with your stuff while you're off-level, so if you have a stash of consumables right on the entry of D they won't bother it. Once you've cleared Vaults down to 7, you can move whatever you want to keep to your main stash in one or two trips, and move your consumables to the next mini-stash in your sequence. The rubbish can be disposed of or left behind.