YASD level 27 TrMo of Okawaru, amazingly bad luck

[drag0n]

So I'm fighting a few bad guys in Zot:3, I'm down to 96 HP but I'm easily in control of the situation (I'm in a good strategic position with options to blink, teleport, heal, or berserk). I hit level 27, then the very next turn a bone dragon pushes me into a previously-undetected Zot trap. I'm paralysed for six turns and I'm dead. This one made me sad. I was seriously kicking ass, shredding orbs of fire left and right.

I've never won with a troll or a monk before. I wonder if taking unarmed combat to 27 was premature, any opinions? Should I have trained armour or dodging higher? Should I have worn heavier armour?

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/drag0n/morgue-drag0n-20130228-050355.txt

  Code:

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-2423-gddcdc49 (webtiles) character file.

584939 drag0n the Heavyweight Champion (level 27, -4/247 (263) HPs)
             Began as a Troll Monk on Feb 26, 2013.
             Was a High Priest of Okawaru.
             Slain by a bone dragon (6 damage)
             ... while paralysed by a Zot trap
             ... on Level 3 of the Realm of Zot on Feb 28, 2013.
             The game lasted 07:38:08 (83287 turns).

drag0n the Heavyweight Champion (Troll Monk)       Turns: 83287, Time: 07:38:08

HP  -4/247 (263) AC 17     Str 26 (27) XL: 27
MP   5/37        EV  1     Int 17      God: Okawaru [*****.]
Gold 4855        SH  0     Dex 12      Spells:  8 memorised, 23 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : +     - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : .   F - +3 steam dragon armour "Nihiuloa" {+Blink
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   V - +0 dwarf large shield {rN+} {god gift}
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   y - +2 hat of the Alchemist {rElec rF+ rC+ MR}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   g - +0 cloak {rPois}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   (gloves unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : +       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   i - amulet of resist mutation
Gourmand  : +       Flight     : .   Z - ring "Uqytuthre" {rElec SInv}
                                     I - ring "Throorox" {rF+ rC+ Int+2 Dam-3}

@: paralysed, very slightly contaminated, hasted, incredibly resistant to
hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, -10% hp, gourmand, regeneration
2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink
}: 4/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, gossamer


You were on level 3 of the Realm of Zot.
You worshipped Okawaru.
Okawaru was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 68 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 2 times.
You visited 1 bazaar.
You also visited: Labyrinth, Trove, Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You collected 10867 gold pieces.
You spent 6012 gold pieces at shops.


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You can eat rotten meat.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
You are frail (-10% HP).


   Skills:
 - Level 20.0 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Throwing
 + Level 13.3 Armour
 - Level 6.3 Dodging
 - Level 1.1 Stealth
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 - Level 5.3 Traps
 O Level 27 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 11.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 0.2 Charms
 - Level 10.0 Transmutations
 - Level 10.0 Invocations
 - Level 5.0 Evocations


You had 23 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          14%         2    None
d - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##........   14%         2    None
e - Apportation           Tloc           ##........   10%         1    None
f - Flight                Chrm/Air       ##........   24%         3    None
h - Haste                 Chrm           ###......    100%        6    ######.
t - Control Teleport      Chrm/Tloc      ##........   82%         4    ###....
y - Cure Poison           Pois           ##........   14%         2    None
z - Blade Hands           Trmt           ######....   4%          5    ####...


Inventory:

Missiles
 n - 4 large rocks (quivered) {god gift}
 u - 16 javelins of returning {god gift}
Armour
 g - a +0 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
 y - the +2 hat of the Alchemist (worn) {rElec rF+ rC+ MR}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 F - the +3 steam dragon armour "Nihiuloa" (worn) {+Blink MR, god gift}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 25 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It lets you blink.
 V - a +0 dwarven large shield of positive energy (worn) {god gift}
Magical devices
 c - a wand of heal wounds (1)
 j - a wand of teleportation (9)
 m - a wand of draining (6)
 G - a wand of digging (10)
 K - a wand of disintegration (15)
 O - a wand of cold (5)
 Q - a wand of fire (8)
 S - a wand of hasting (3)
Comestibles
 d - a pear
 h - a royal jelly
 s - 13 grapes
 B - 6 bread rations
Scrolls
 b - a scroll of teleportation
Jewellery
 i - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 k - the amulet "Etix" {Clar Acc-2 Dam+3 Curse}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of clarity]
   It affects your accuracy (-2).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
   It may recurse itself.
 t - the amulet of Ashenzari's Hatred {Cons Dex+2 Curse}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of conservation]
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It may recurse itself.
 I - the ring "Throorox" (left claw) {rF+ rC+ Int+2 Dam-3}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (-3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
 W - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 Y - the ring "Hoorghadd" {Hunger- rPois rF+ Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of sustenance]
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 Z - the ring "Uqytuthre" (right claw) {rElec SInv}
   (You found it on level 26 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   It insulates you from electricity.
Potions
 e - a potion of berserk rage
 f - a potion of brilliance
 q - a potion of resistance
 v - a potion of curing
 x - a potion of might
 J - a potion of restore abilities
Rods
 l - a +3 rod of destruction [ice] (14/14) {!a}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
 r - a +0 rod of venom (9/9) {!a}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Swamp)


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You could see a bone dragon, a storm dragon, a yellow draconian, a white
draconian (berserk) and a green draconian zealot.

Message History

The javelin of penetration pierces through the green draconian zealot.
You block the bone dragon's attack. The bone dragon claws you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The bone dragon tramples you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You stumble backwards!
Oh no! You have blundered into a Zot trap!
You suddenly lose the ability to move!
The bone dragon bites you but does no damage.
The bone dragon claws you but does no damage.
The bone dragon tramples you but does no damage.
The bone dragon bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The bone dragon claws you but does no damage.
The bone dragon completely misses you.
The white draconian rages.
The bone dragon bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The bone dragon claws you but does no damage.
The bone dragon tramples you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You stumble backwards!
The bone dragon bites you but does no damage.
The bone dragon claws you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The bone dragon tramples you but does no damage.
The bone dragon bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The bone dragon claws you.
You die...


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |    12 |    20 |   200 |  1091 |  1820 |  2207 |  2766 |  2491 |   754 || 11361
       Dagger            |    51 |   263 |   236 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||   550
       War axe           |       |       |       |    11 |    28 |    11 |       |       |       ||    50
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |    33 |    39 |       |       |       |       |       ||    72
Throw: Large rock        |       |       |       |     9 |   173 |    37 |       |     9 |    10 ||   238
       Javelin           |       |       |       |       |       |    60 |    58 |   288 |   175 ||   581
 Cast: Blade Hands       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     8 ||     8
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |     6 |    16 |    28 |    12 |    17 |    16 |    13 ||   108
       Finesse           |       |       |       |     1 |     3 |     6 |     5 |     6 |     2 ||    23
 Abil: Spit Poison       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Evoke Blink       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     1 ||     3
Evoke: Wand              |       |     1 |     6 |    14 |    29 |    20 |       |    16 |    24 ||   110
       Rod               |       |       |       |     6 |       |       |       |       |       ||     6
       Miscellaneous     |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |    16 |    11 |    19 |    21 |    12 |    18 |    11 |     7 ||   115
       Potion            |       |     1 |     1 |    11 |     5 |    15 |    13 |     3 |     6 ||    55

Vault maps used:

D:1:
  minmay_entry_stone_box

D:2:
  infiniplex_staircase_door_maze, first_bread, okawaru_gym_becter, uniq_iyjb

D:3:
  tgw_xom

D:4:
  lemuel_upstairs_altar

D:5:
  trog_ov_bears_minmay

D:6:
  elyvilon_altar_2, gup_ossuary_entry_pyramid,
  minmay_temple_entry_statues_pillars

D:7:
  overflow_temple_1_default, the_bakery, minmay_orc_entry_temple_small

D:8:
  kiku_gazebo_pond_becter

D:9:
  overflow_temple_1_default, lemuel_angel_altar

D:10:
  david_defended_altar_orc

D:11:
  serial_bayou_shore_a, uniq_harold

D:12:
  minmay_imperfect_grid, basic_altar, minmay_beelzebubs_servants

D:13:
  fedhas_altar_4, serial_shops, bzr_entry_004, lab_entry_generic,
  serial_bayou_pond_c, erik_lair_orcish_takeover

D:14:
  st_stairs_14

D:16:
  minmay_misc_feat_enclosed, mikee_hates_you, vaults_0_dummy, uniq_kirke

D:17:
  minmay_misc_feat_rugged

D:18:
  basic_altar, minmay_misc_feat_pillars, lemuel_flamethrower_2

D:19:
  minmay_misc_feat_ornament

D:20:
  minmay_misc_feat_chi, serial_glass, glass_columns_a, glass_columns_a,
  serial_shops, shop_statue, shop, shop, shop_fountains

D:21:
  abyss_entry, hell_entry, minmay_tree_intersection, pan_entry, uniq_margery

D:22:
  infiniplex_staircase_diamond, hell_entry, abyss_entry

D:23:
  hell_entry, pan_entry, abyss_entry, minmay_strange_pillars,
  roderic_Roman_lattice

D:24:
  minmay_concentric_multi, hell_entry, pan_entry, minivault_11, abyss_entry,
  rand_demon_pan_entry_4

D:25:
  pan_entry, hell_entry, minmay_holes, abyss_entry

D:26:
  evilmike_diamond_1, minmay_staircase_windowed_small, hell_entry,
  uniq_frederick

D:27:
  minmay_statue_hallways, hell_entry, enter_ziggurat_c, pan_entry,
  serial_bayou_shore_b, evilmike_zot_entry_diamond, uniq_jorgrun

Orc:1:
  basic_altar

Orc:2:
  trog_butcher_becter

Orc:3:
  enter_volcano_3, basic_altar, trog_hazing_becter

Orc:4:
  portal_ice_cave_entry_animals_and_master, serial_shops, shop, st_orc_rangers,
  hangedman_minor_magic

Elf:1:
  eino_elf_arrival_the_gate, uniq_erica

Elf:2:
  serial_shops, shop, hex_large

Elf:3:
  minmay_elf_hall, serial_shops, shop_scrolls

Lair:1:
  statuecave_lemuel

Lair:4:
  eino_small_chamber_without_monster, spider_nest_entry_funnel_web

Lair:5:
  roderic_lost_polar_bear, minmay_swamp_entry_eels

Lair:6:
  columned_hall_lemuel, slime_altar_2

Lair:8:
  bearwithus, kennels

Swamp:1:
  swamp_pool3, uniq_roxanne

Swamp:3:
  swamp_pool4

Swamp:4:
  uniq_frances

Swamp:5:
  swamp_old_school, uniq_mennas

Spider:1:
  Guppyfry_Spider_Mini_1

Spider:2:
  uniq_arachne, uniq_aizul, uniq_nikola

Spider:5:
  spider_rune_water, nicolae_crawler_farm

Vaults:1:
  vaults_room_ringed_pool, v_misc_13, v_pattern_1, v_misc_8,
  vaults_standard_mumra_lines, hangedman_vaults_maws, grunt_vaults_diagonal,
  ontoclasm_vaults_ring_square, ontoclasm_vaults_tryst, v_misc_8,
  v_alt_pattern_6, v_alt_pattern_4, vaults_room_corners, vaults_room_door_ring

Vaults:2:
  vaults_mumra_chevron, v_misc_9, v_misc_15, hangedman_vaults_slice,
  vaults_dpeg_diagonal, grunt_vaults_twisty, minmay_crypt_entry_necro_gods,
  ontoclasm_vaults_gallery, vaults_room_fours, nicolae_vaults_theta,
  vaults_room_fours, ontoclasm_vaults_ring_square, nicolae_vaults_shelves_hall,
  vaults_room_grid, dpeg_vaults_monster_box

Vaults:3:
  vaults_mumra_blade_sword, v_misc_8, ontoclasm_vaults_ring_square,
  vaults_room_semicircle, v_rooms_2, ontoclasm_vaults_bender,
  hangedman_vaults_impose, v_alt_pattern_6, v_misc_10, dpeg_vaults_waves,
  vaults_standard_mumra_enter_the_diamond, v_misc_11, v_misc_27,
  nicolae_vaults_asterisk, v_misc_22, serial_shops, bzr_entry_005,
  enter_trove_0, uniq_norris

Vaults:4:
  vaults_room_octagon, v_rooms_1, vaults_mumra_hex, hangedman_vaults_variations,
  nicolae_vaults_twisting_passages, vaults_room_pool, v_misc_24,
  hangedman_vaults_stretched_pinwheel, grunt_vaults_hallway_long, v_misc_33,
  v_misc_13, ontoclasm_vaults_shuriken, serial_shops, shop, uniq_xtahua

Vaults:5:
  serial_shops

Zot:3:
  st_stairs_13, hangedman_elemental_grid_stream

Lab:
  labyrinth_mini_lab, nicolae_lab_very_dead_end, nicolae_lab_stuck,
  nicolae_lab_diamond, labyrinth_skeletal_remains

Bazaar:
  bazaar_short_row

Trove:
  trove_simple

Ossuary:
  ossuary_minmay_chase

IceCv:
  ice_cave_small_demon

Volcano:
  volcano_pools


[pratamawirya]

...Yeah, seriously, wear better armour next time; FDA or something. Don't worry, casting in FDA is still pretty easy, especially if you're following Oka (spam Heroism to reduce the failure rate).

[crate]

That steam dragon armour looks ok but if you're going to wear it you want more dex and more dodging.

In 0.12 you should get to 8.6 traps so you will 100% of the time detect any traps that are adjacent to you.

[byrel]

In 0.12 you should get to 8.6 traps so you will 100% of the time detect any traps that are adjacent to you.

Now THAT is very nice to know.

[Golden_Eye]

In 0.12 you should get to 8.6 traps so you will 100% of the time detect any traps that are adjacent to you.

Thanks for this. Very good to know.

[drag0n]

In 0.12 you should get to 8.6 traps so you will 100% of the time detect any traps that are adjacent to you.

Thank you, I'm going to get this tattooed on the back of my hand.

Do you have any advice about using heavier armour or shields?

[tasonir]

Shields on a troll: Heavy shield get 15 skill. If you don't want to invest that much (still mid game?) get a regular shield and 9 skill.

You can use a shield with less than those values, and the penalties are pretty small, but that will remove all penalties.

Heavy armor you can't remove all penalties, but having 10+ is fine for anything up to -3EV. Late game getting it even higher is a good idea, but early on you don't need too much. 27 unarmed is a very good idea, although if you are worshipping okawaru you do have the option to leave it at 22 and use heroism for the last 5. I'd probably still get it to 27 eventually, but that's personal taste.

[cerebovssquire]

Troll unarmed combat damage is already very high. Personally I don't see much reason to get more than ~20 in a 3-rune game in which I cast spells. The apt isn't amazing and the last levels are really costly while not making that much of a difference.

[Sandman25]

It is impossible to remove shield penalty for UC. You still will get a random 0-0.1 aut delay

  Code:

        // Give unarmed shield-users a slight penalty always.
        if (!weapon && player_wearing_slot(EQ_SHIELD))
            shield_penalty += rv::random2(2);


[drag0n]

It is impossible to remove shield penalty for UC. You still will get a random 0-0.1 aut delay

  Code:

        // Give unarmed shield-users a slight penalty always.
        if (!weapon && player_wearing_slot(EQ_SHIELD))
            shield_penalty += rv::random2(2);


That's a pretty small delay, isn't it? Particularly since a large shield is so useful on this build.

[mikee]

Here are some changes you should consider making for this type of character:

- Level 14.0 Throwing

Level 0.0 Throwing

- Level 15.0 Shields

Level 10.0 Shields; normal shield

- Level 5.3 Traps

Traps to secret magic number (8.5? 8.6?)

O Level 27 Unarmed Combat

Level 22 Unarmed Combat -> 27 with heroism

- Level 11.0 Spellcasting

This really shouldn't be your highest spell skill

- Level 0.2 Charms

Haste castable, at least with wizardry swap

- Level 10.0 Transmutations

Level 0.0 Transmutations

- Level 10.0 Invocations

Level 5.0-8.0 Invocations

- Level 5.0 Evocations

Level 0.0 Evocations

Armour to look out for: FDA, PDA, IDA (with enough rF), storm dragon armour

I - the ring "Throorox" (left claw) {rF+ rC+ Int+2 Dam-3}

Why wear this when you have an rF ring that *doesn't* have negative slaying? I'm also assuming this is on right now for zot and it's normally a swap.

Potions
e - a potion of berserk rage
f - a potion of brilliance
q - a potion of resistance
v - a potion of curing
x - a potion of might
J - a potion of restore abilities

Probably this supply could be managed better. Having these as your endgame potions is far from ideal.

Dagger | 51 | 263 | 236 | | | | | | || 550
War axe | | | | 11 | 28 | 11 | | | || 50

This should not be happening.

[drag0n]

Level 0.0 Throwing

Do you mean I shouldn't be throwing anything, or I should be throwing untrained?

I - the ring "Throorox" (left claw) {rF+ rC+ Int+2 Dam-3}

Why wear this when you have an rF ring that *doesn't* have negative slaying? I'm also assuming this is on right now for zot and it's normally a swap.

I forgot to take it off -- I needed extra rC+ with my previous amulet which had {Faith +Blink rElec rC- SInv}.

Dagger | 51 | 263 | 236 | | | | | | || 550
War axe | | | | 11 | 28 | 11 | | | || 50

This should not be happening.

Why not? I used a dagger of venom in the early game. And the war axe had sInv; it was only for unseen horrors.

Thanks for the analysis!

[mikee]

Do you mean I shouldn't be throwing anything, or I should be throwing untrained?

I guess I mean both, but more the latter. Putting xp into throwing won't be that helpful for you compared to putting it somewhere else, but it's still perfectly reasonable to throw a couple of large rocks or something every now and then. You might also have noticed that you were getting some rock/javelin gifts from okawaru, which slightly dilutes your other gifts.

Why not? I used a dagger of venom in the early game. And the war axe had sInv; it was only for unseen horrors.

Basically, the main draw of a troll is its considerable unarmed damage. If you have, say, 6 unarmed skill, which is attainable early on, you should be doing about 9 damage per turn, which outpaces a dagger of venom.

Thanks for the analysis!

You're welcome.

[Sandman25]

Potions
e - a potion of berserk rage
f - a potion of brilliance
q - a potion of resistance
v - a potion of curing
x - a potion of might
J - a potion of restore abilities

Probably this supply could be managed better. Having these as your endgame potions is far from ideal.

Could you please elaborate on this? Do you mean there should have been other potions?

[mikee]

Could you please elaborate on this? Do you mean there should have been other potions?

Oh, I just mean to be careful not to lose/use all of them - making stashes and being careful not to get shot too much are some basic ways to do this.

[Sandman25]

Oh, I just mean to be careful not to lose/use all of them - making stashes and being careful not to get shot too much are some basic ways to do this.

Oh, I see. There are too few potions indeed. Thanks.

[drag0n]

Could you please elaborate on this? Do you mean there should have been other potions?

Oh, I just mean to be careful not to lose/use all of them - making stashes and being careful not to get shot too much are some basic ways to do this.

Just for the record, I had a stash with plenty more potions. I was due for a restock.