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kev

Temple Termagant

Posts: 11

Joined: Wednesday, 16th February 2011, 16:06

Post Wednesday, 16th February 2011, 16:25

TrMo looking for advice

So, this is probably the best character i had so far (haven't won yet) and i really wanna win this time. Here's the log:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0-a0-5220-ga9a0233 character file.

kev the Wrestler (Troll Monk)                                                                                                                      Turns: 70511, Time: 05:56:51

HP 211/211 (214) AC 23     Str 35 (36) Exp: 23/842802 (10332), need: 17447
MP  24/24        EV 22     Int 13      God: Okawaru [*****.]
Gold 6808        SH  0     Dex 12      Spells:  3 memorised, 20 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : .     - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : +   t - +2 robe {rC+}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : +   (shield restricted)
Res.Acid. : + . .   Res.Corr.  : +   f - +2 cap {Int+3}
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : +   U - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons} {god gift}
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .   (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   B - brooch of Shielding {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   P - ring of Lilacs {rPois rF++ AC+3}
Gourmand  : +       Ctrl.Flight: .   F - ring "Gofib" {Hunger- Str+5 Int+3}

@: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, clarity, deterioration 1, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +5
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are full.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 59 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have visited 1 Labyrinth.
You have visited 5 portal chambers: ossuary, bailey, volcano, ice cave, wizlab.

You have collected 7183 gold pieces.
You have spent 375 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 n - a +7,+6 giant spiked club
 J - the +0,+7 Mace of Variability {chaos}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   Each time it hits an enemy it has a different, random effect.
Missiles
 Y - 4 +0 large rocks (quivered)
Armour
 f - a +2 cap of intelligence (worn)
 t - a +2 robe of cold resistance (worn)
 A - an uncursed gold dragon armour
 C - the +1 cloak "Uwkil" {god gift, rElec rF+}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
 D - the +15 shield "Bullseye" {EV-5}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)   
   It affects your evasion (-5).
 M - the +0 robe "Zexaic" {god gift, +Inv rN+ SInv}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Hive)   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 U - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn) {god gift}
 V - the +0 cloak of the Republic {god gift, rC+}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Vaults)   
   It protects you from cold.
Magical devices
 c - a wand of teleportation
 j - a wand of fire {zapped: 9}
 m - a wand of digging {zapped: 3}
 v - a wand of hasting {zapped: 5}
 y - a wand of fireball {zapped: 3}
 E - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 3}
 N - a wand of frost {zapped: 6}
 W - a wand of lightning {zapped: 1}
 X - a wand of slowing {zapped: 2}
Comestibles
 b - 8 meat rations
 R - a bread ration
Scrolls
 d - 5 scrolls of detect curse
 e - a scroll of identify
 g - 3 scrolls of immolation
 i - a scroll of enchant armour
 k - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 p - 2 scrolls of amnesia
 w - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 H - 4 scrolls of summoning
 I - a scroll of enchant weapon I
 L - 2 scrolls of fear
 Q - 3 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 a - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 l - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 B - the brooch of Shielding (around neck) {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)   
   [amulet of warding]
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   Back in the good old days, every adventurer had one of these handy devices.
   That, and a pony.
 F - the ring "Gofib" (left hand) {Hunger- Str+5 Int+3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)   
   [ring of sustenance]
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
 G - a ring of life protection
 O - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 P - the ring of Lilacs (right hand) {rPois rF++ AC+3}
   (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   [ring of protection]
   It affects your AC (+3).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
 S - an uncursed ring of life protection
 T - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
Potions
 h - 3 potions of resistance
 o - 3 potions of agility
 q - 3 potions of healing
 r - a potion of heal wounds
 u - 4 potions of might
 z - a potion of restore abilities
 K - 2 potions of berserk rage
Books
 s - a book of Ice   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Freezing Aura                      Hexes/Ice                    2
   Ensorcelled Hibernation            Hexes/Ice                    2
   Condensation Shield                Ice/Transmutation            4
   Ozocubu's Refrigeration            Ice                          5
   Bolt of Cold                       Conjuration/Ice              6
   Simulacrum                         Ice/Necromancy               6
   Metabolic Englaciation             Hexes/Ice                    7
   
 Z - a book of Party Tricks   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Summon Butterflies                Summoning                    1
   *Apportation                       Translocation                1
   Projected Noise                    Hexes                        2
   *Blink                             Translocation                2
   Levitation                         Charms/Air                   2
   Alistair's Intoxication            Transmutation/Poison         4
   


 You have 10332 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 14 Fighting
 + Level 7 Maces & Flails
 + Level 4 Throwing
 + Level 17 Dodging
 - Level 3 Stealth
 - Level 2 Stabbing
 + Level 3 Traps & Doors
 - Level 24 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 1 Spellcasting
 + Level 6 Invocations
 + Level 3 Evocations


You have 20 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Success   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #.........   Fair        1    Strawberry
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          Fair        2    Choko
q - Summon Butterflies    Summ           #........    Fair        1    Strawberry


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (22/27)            Temple (0/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (5/5) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:8           Swamp (5/5) Lair:5
 Shoals (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:8         Hive (2/2) D:14
  Vault (8/8) D:19          Blade (0/1) Vault:4       Crypt (0/5) Vault:2

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Xom
Yredelemnul
Beogh

Shops:
D:6: (  D:10: [  D:15: (  D:17: +  Orc:1: (  Orc:2: *  Shoals:4: (  Vault:1: [  Vault:3: *

Portals:
Hell: D:21
Abyss: D:22
Trove: D:20 (+2 robe of resistance)

Annotations
D:22 mennas&boris
Lair:7 exclusion: 5 oklob plants
Swamp:2 exclusion: silver statue
Swamp:4 exclusion: Roxanne
Swamp:5 exclusion: oklob plant


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You can eat rotten meat.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
You are partially covered in iridescent scales (AC +4).
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
Your body is slowly deteriorating.


Message History

Okay, then.
Drop what?  (Press _ for help.) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
Identify which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust.
D - the +15 shield "Bullseye" {EV-5}

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Norris (Swamp:4)
  Mara (D:22)
  Xtahua (Vault:2)
  Frederick (D:22)
  3 golden dragons
  2 quicksilver dragons (Vault:8)
  3 deep elf blademasters (Elf:5)
  A lich (Vault:6)
  2 titans
  5 storm dragons
  4 tentacled monstrosities
  10 shadow dragons (Vault:8)
  Kirke (Shoals:4)
  Frances (D:20)
  Aizul (Shoals:4)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:5)
  11 frost giants
  An Executioner (Vault:8)
  An iron dragon (Vault:8)
  Wiglaf (D:21)
  A bone dragon (Vault:8)
  3 fire giants
  An orc warlord (Vault:6)
  38 stone giants
  8 deep elf annihilators (Elf:5)
  Jozef (D:11)
  8 deep elf sorcerers
  2 deep elf death magi (Elf:5)
  4 deep elf master archers (Elf:5)
  A titan zombie (Vault:8)
  4 ettins (shapeshifter)
  11 ettins
  A Cacodemon (Vault:8)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  A dragon (D:19)
  24 vault guards
  25 yaktaur captains
  A siren (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  3 sirens
  A great orb of eyes (Vault:1)
  3 merfolk aquamancers
  Erica (Orc:4)
  Harold (Orc:4)
  2 merfolk javelineers (Shoals:5)
  15 hydras
  Polyphemus (Shoals:2)
  6 deep elf demonologists
  5 ogre magi
  2 shadow dragon zombies
  6 merfolk impalers (Shoals:5)
  A ghost moth (shapeshifter) (Vault:7)
  A rakshasa (D:17)
  2 stone giant zombies
  4 alligators
  A sphinx skeleton (Vault:2)
  15 deep trolls
  Nergalle (Swamp:3)
  2 very ugly things
  A deep elf high priest (Elf:5)
  14 death yaks
  2 frost giant zombies
  17 centaur warriors
  3 griffons
  7 stone giant skeletons
  A sun demon (Elf:3)
  An elf skeleton (Elf:5)
  3 frost giant skeletons
  14 deep elf knights
  4 iron trolls
  A shadow wraith (Vault:1)
  4 sea snakes
  12 hill giants
  3 wizards
  A grey draconian zombie (Abyss)
  22 orc knights
  A flayed ghost (D:21)
  A sea snake (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  A storm dragon skeleton (D:22)
  2 giant amoebae (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  An iron troll zombie (D:18)
  A swamp dragon (Swamp:1)
  3 ice statues
  A black draconian skeleton (Abyss)
  3 unseen horrors
  Pikel (D:7)
  A pale draconian skeleton (Abyss)
  A lindwurm (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  3 hydra zombies
  20 harpies
  4 giant amoebae
  Joseph (Lair:2)
  2 phantasmal warriors (Vault:7)
  A crystal golem (Vault:4)
  4 orc sorcerers
  A harpy zombie (D:20)
  An iron troll skeleton (D:18)
  A shining eye (shapeshifter) (Vault:6)
  A red wasp (shapeshifter) (D:22)
  A sea snake skeleton (Abyss)
  A cyclops (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  A guardian serpent (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  A spiny worm (D:18)
  13 cyclopes
  2 spectral hydras (Swamp:5)
  A fire crab (D:21)
  A sixfirhy (D:20)
  4 red wasps
  A black mamba (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  3 portal mimics
  2 mimics
  An elephant slug (Lair:7)
  A stair mimic (D:19)
  46 elephants
  4 black mambas
  2 giant toad zombies (D:15)
  56 yaktaurs
  15 spiny frogs
  A wolf spider (D:14)
  3 orange demons
  A trap mimic (D:17)
  7 large large abominations (Port)
  3 rock trolls
  70 slime creatures
  2 hellwings
  8 mermaids
  11 trolls
  69 ugly things
  A mermaid (shapeshifter) (Vault:6)
  An iron devil (Orc:4)
  A white draconian simulacrum (Abyss)
  2 brown oozes (Lair:8)
  A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  13 polar bears (Port)
  Sonja (Swamp:2)
  2 smoke demons
  A naga mage (Vault:1)
  A polar bear (shapeshifter) (D:18)
  2 rock troll zombies
  11 two-headed ogres
  A deep troll zombie (D:22)
  A baby alligator (Swamp:5)
  2 rock troll skeletons
  10 bog mummies
  A queen bee (Hive:2)
  A troll (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  7 komodo dragons
  A red wasp simulacrum (D:19)
  5 snapping turtles
  A raven (shapeshifter) (Vault:1)
  5 elves (shapeshifter)
  A brown ooze (shapeshifter) (Vault:1)
  A giant firefly (D:21)
  A blink frog (shapeshifter) (Vault:7)
  3 swamp dragon zombies (Swamp:5)
  3 wyverns
  5 spectral orcs (Swamp:3)
  A giant toad (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  A hog (Shoals:4)
  Edmund (D:9)
  A hairy devil (Vault:7)
  A bear (Lair:5)
  9 deep elf conjurers
  34 merfolk
  A spectral swamp dragon (Swamp:5)
  A human (shapeshifter) (Vault:6)
  62 yaks
  A vampire (Vault:1)
  2 clay golems
  13 giant toads
  2 ynoxinuls
  A yak (shapeshifter) (D:18)
  5 sharks
  5 hippogriffs
  An elf (Port)
  6 merfolk (shapeshifter)
  5 yaktaur zombies
  2 fire drakes (Lair:6)
  12 deep elf fighters
  A soldier ant (D:16)
  32 vampire mosquitoes
  2 hungry ghosts
  4 golden eyes (Abyss)
  4 neqoxecs
  A steam dragon (D:10)
  A mottled dragon (Vault:2)
  3 fire elementals (Port)
  12 deep elf summoners
  13 manticores
  A manticore (shapeshifter) (Vault:1)
  2 hell hounds (Lair:8)
  77 insubstantial wisps
  2 yaktaur skeletons
  3 freezing wraiths
  30 swamp worms
  6 war dogs (Lair:8)
  4 molten gargoyles (Elf:1)
  8 small abominations
  2 cyclops skeletons
  9 deep elf priests
  3 sky beasts
  A slave (D:7)
  10 giant goldfish
  29 ogres
  3 swamp worm zombies (Swamp:5)
  4 phantoms
  28 ice beasts
  A red devil (D:20)
  A troll zombie (D:14)
  Menkaure (D:7)
  A yak zombie (D:21)
  A beast (Elf:5)
  A centaur (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  38 centaurs
  8 gila monsters
  5 swamp drakes
  5 crocodiles
  51 orc warriors
  A rotting devil (D:20)
  23 deep elf magi
  A brain worm (Lair:7)
  10 giant slugs
  4 nagas
  13 water moccasins
  A two-headed ogre zombie (D:12)
  19 wargs
  23 giant frogs
  5 agate snails
  16 wolves
  5 giant leeches
  2 big kobolds
  Blork the orc (D:9)
  An eye of draining (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  5 wights (D:9)
  5 boulder beetles
  A killer bee zombie (D:7)
  A brain worm zombie (D:12)
  9 jellyfish
  27 electric eels
  20 imps
  3 pulsating lumps (Port)
  2 goliath beetles
  A hound zombie (D:10)
  A mottled dragon skeleton (D:16)
  A quasit (D:12)
  A big kobold skeleton (D:12)
  6 iron imps
  3 gila monster skeletons
  36 orc priests
  31 big fish
  25 hounds
  A worker ant zombie (D:18)
  2 shadows
  A scorpion (D:5)
  22 deep elf soldiers
  A hound skeleton (D:15)
  6 iguanas
  8 porcupines
  42 orc wizards
  A worker ant (shapeshifter) (D:16)
  3 orange rats
  20 sheep
  A sheep (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  9 worker ants
  3 big fish zombies (Swamp:5)
  146 killer bees
  4 boggarts (D:16)
  5 elf zombies
  9 jellies
  13 mummies
  2 fire vortices (Port)
  5 lemures
  67 green rats
  10 gnolls
  A gnoll (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  3 midges
  A shadow imp (Vault:8)
  18 snakes
  2 giant mites
  A scorpion zombie (D:22)
  2 giant centipedes
  5 white imps
  An iguana skeleton (D:4)
  21 ufetubi
  7 worms
  A giant eyeball (D:6)
  4 giant geckos
  2 gnoll skeletons (Port)
  5 oozes
  22 goblins
  7 grey rats
  27 hobgoblins
  26 jackals
  30 kobolds
  46 megabats
  An orc (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  252 orcs
  11 quokkas
  5 giant cockroaches
  5 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:18)
  A goblin skeleton (Port)
  2 goblin zombies
  2 illusory rakshasas (D:17)
  37 killer bee larvae
  A kobold skeleton (Port)
  4 orc skeletons (Port)
  5 orc zombies
  A quokka skeleton (D:5)
  A quokka zombie (D:5)
  30 rats
  12 rat skeletons
  2 ballistomycetes (D:18)
  A bush (Swamp:1)
  5 fungi
  12 plants
  26 toadstools
2751 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  2 ogre magi (Vault:4)
  A centaur warrior (Vault:3)
  A stone giant skeleton (Vault:3)
  2 deep elf knights
  An orc knight (Vault:4)
  A slime creature (Vault:3)
  2 ugly things
  4 two-headed ogres (Vault:4)
  An ogre (Vault:4)
  A deep elf mage (Elf:3)
  2 wargs (Vault:4)
  An ufetubus (Elf:3)
19 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A deep elf knight (Vault:1)
  33 slime creatures
  A human (Shoals:4)
  An ugly thing (D:19)
  A giant toad (Swamp:1)
  A deep elf conjurer (Elf:1)
  A deep elf fighter (Elf:5)
  3 small abominations
  An orc warrior (D:21)
  A slave (D:7)
  2 centaurs (D:21)
  2 giant frogs (D:7)
  A wolf (Port)
  An orc wizard (D:11)
  A deep elf soldier (Elf:5)
  A snake (Lair:8)
  An iguana zombie (D:7)
  A lemure (Elf:5)
  A giant centipede zombie (D:7)
  2 worms (D:7)
  2 ufetubi
  2 goblins (D:7)
  4 orcs
  A quokka (D:7)
  A giant cockroach (D:15)
  A giant newt (D:7)
  A giant spore (D:8)
  2 jackals (Lair:2)
  A killer bee larva (Hive:2)
  4 kobolds
  3 rats
  A butterfly (Vault:7)
  8 fungi
  4 plants
  35 toadstools
127 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 2897 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | kev, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 0/0
   225 | D:1     | Killed monsters: 0 trivial, 7 easy, 0 tough, 0 nasty; 3 corpses
   225 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 23/23 MP: 0/0
   266 | D:1     | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
   307 | D:1     | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
   788 | D:2     | Killed monsters: 8 trivial, 7 easy, 1 tough, 0 nasty; 10 corpses
   788 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/31 MP: 1/1
   916 | D:2     | Acquired Okawaru's first power
  1471 | D:3     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  1994 | D:3     | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  2070 | D:3     | Killed monsters: 29 trivial, 2 easy, 1 tough, 0 nasty; 18 corpses
  2070 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 1/1
  2373 | D:4     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  2414 | D:4     | Killed monsters: 6 trivial, 0 easy, 2 tough, 0 nasty; 3 corpses
  2414 | D:4     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 46/46 MP: 1/1
  2463 | D:4     | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  2731 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  2800 | D:6     | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  2813 | D:6     | Killed monsters: 9 trivial, 5 easy, 4 tough, 0 nasty; 10 corpses
  2813 | D:6     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 17/53 MP: 2/2
  3012 | D:6     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  3125 | D:6     | Found Goocuikkogg's Antique Weapon Shop.
  3191 | D:6     | Killed monsters: 9 trivial, 3 easy, 3 tough, 0 nasty; 8 corpses
  3191 | D:6     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 20/62 MP: 2/2
  3307 | D:5     | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  3355 | D:5     | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  3394 | ossuary | Entered a tomb
  4397 | D:7     | Killed monsters: 43 trivial, 16 easy, 6 tough, 0 nasty; 17 corpses
  4397 | D:7     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 50/69 MP: 2/2
  4456 | D:7     | Noticed Menkaure
  4460 | D:7     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  4463 | D:7     | Defeated Menkaure
  4589 | D:7     | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  4750 | D:7     | Acquired Okawaru's second power
  4758 | D:7     | HP: 1/71 [orc warrior/orcish short sword (9)]
  4862 | D:6     | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1).
  4862 | D:6     | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in iridescent scales (AC +4).
  4862 | D:6     | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head.
  4907 | D:7     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  4918 | D:7     | Got a warped buckler
  4919 | D:7     | Identified the cursed -1 buckler of the Lute (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  5003 | D:7     | Noticed Pikel
  5014 | D:7     | Defeated Pikel
  5014 | D:7     | Killed monsters: 18 trivial, 7 easy, 8 tough, 1 nasty; 9 corpses
  5014 | D:7     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 67/79 MP: 1/3
  5127 | D:7     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  5489 | D:8     | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  5713 | D:8     | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  5790 | D:8     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  5800 | D:8     | Noticed an agate snail
  5806 | D:8     | Noticed a giant slug
  5806 | D:8     | Noticed a giant slug
  5835 | D:8     | Defeated an agate snail
  5839 | D:8     | Defeated a giant slug
  5868 | D:8     | Defeated a giant slug
  6035 | D:8     | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
  6249 | D:9     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  6503 | D:9     | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  6616 | D:9     | Noticed Edmund
  6627 | D:9     | Defeated Edmund
  6694 | D:9     | Killed monsters: 30 trivial, 29 easy, 16 tough, 0 nasty; 39 corpses
  6694 | D:9     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 84/89 MP: 3/3
  6909 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  7222 | D:10    | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
  7674 | D:11    | Noticed Jozef
  7816 | D:11    | Defeated Jozef
  8203 | D:11    | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
  8227 | D:11    | Received a gift from Okawaru
  8263 | D:11    | Got an iridescent giant club {god gift}
  8264 | D:11    | Identified the giant club of Psuyps {god gift, drain, Str+1} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 11 of the Dungeon)
  8291 | D:11    | Killed monsters: 10 trivial, 7 easy, 21 tough, 1 nasty; 13 corpses
  8291 | D:11    | Reached XP level 11. HP: 90/99 MP: 3/3
  8816 | D:11    | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
  8925 | D:12    | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
  9032 | D:12    | Received a gift from Okawaru
  9088 | D:12    | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  9323 | D:13    | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
  9532 | D:10    | Found Smuikumo's Antique Armour Shoppe.
  9574 | D:10    | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  9711 | D:9     | Noticed Blork the orc
  9727 | D:9     | Defeated Blork the orc
  9987 | D:9     | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
 10178 | D:9     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10302 | Orc:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 10604 | Orc:2   | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 10634 | Orc:2   | Found a flagged portal.
 10643 | bailey  | Entered the bailey
 10719 | bailey  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 10903 | bailey  | Killed monsters: 63 trivial, 51 easy, 37 tough, 2 nasty; 60 corpses
 10903 | bailey  | Reached XP level 12. HP: 80/109 MP: 3/6
 10915 | bailey  | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
 11538 | Orc:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 11697 | Orc:2   | Found Legunogaan's General Store.
 11728 | Orc:2   | Bought a potion of degeneration for 1 gold piece
 11841 | Orc:3   | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 11913 | Orc:3   | Found a dark tunnel.
 11926 | Volcano | Entered a volcano
 12306 | Orc:4   | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 12810 | Orc:4   | Noticed Harold
 12818 | Orc:4   | Defeated Harold
 12991 | Orc:4   | Noticed Erica
 12999 | Orc:4   | Defeated Erica
 13191 | Orc:3   | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 13472 | Orc:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 13598 | Orc:1   | Found Frean's Weapon Emporium.
 13883 | Lair:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 14039 | Lair:1  | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 14521 | Lair:2  | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing
 14612 | Lair:2  | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 14638 | Lair:2  | Noticed Joseph
 15493 | Lair:2  | Defeated Joseph
 15512 | Lair:2  | Killed monsters: 141 trivial, 68 easy, 18 tough, 3 nasty; 113 corpses
 15512 | Lair:2  | Reached XP level 13. HP: 68/118 MP: 8/8
 16380 | D:14    | Found a staircase to the Hive.
 16498 | D:15    | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 17203 | Lair:3  | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat
 17778 | Lair:3  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 17790 | Lair:3  | Got a pitted robe {god gift}
 17796 | Lair:3  | Identified the -5 robe of Liberty {god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18079 | Lair:5  | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 18124 | Lair:5  | Got a twitching copper amulet
 18138 | Lair:5  | Identified the amulet "Faihiluk" (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18807 | Lair:6  | Got a transparent ivory ring
 18808 | Lair:6  | Identified the ring of Lilacs (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18878 | Lair:6  | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 18898 | Lab     | Entered a Labyrinth
 19910 | Lab     | Got a sparkling book
 19911 | Lab     | Got a crude long sword
 20806 | Lair:6  | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 21777 | Hive:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Hive
 22529 | Hive:2  | Entered Level 2 of the Hive
 22626 | Hive:2  | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 22903 | Hive:2  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 22904 | Hive:2  | Got a bloodstained robe {god gift}
 22911 | Hive:2  | Identified the +0 robe "Zexaic" {god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Hive)
 23714 | Hive:2  | Killed monsters: 139 trivial, 155 easy, 28 tough, 1 nasty; 143 corpses
 23714 | Hive:2  | Reached XP level 14. HP: 110/132 MP: 11/11
 25179 | Lair:7  | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
 25209 | Lair:7  | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 25233 | Lair:7  | Noticed a brain worm
 25238 | Lair:7  | Defeated a brain worm
 25814 | Lair:8  | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 26215 | Lair:8  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 26232 | Lair:8  | Got a jewelled cloak {god gift}
 26237 | Lair:8  | Identified the +1 cloak "Uwkil" {god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 26856 | Lair:8  | Killed monsters: 55 trivial, 63 easy, 47 tough, 0 nasty; 78 corpses
 26856 | Lair:8  | Reached XP level 15. HP: 142/142 MP: 12/12
 26990 | Lair:8  | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 27893 | D:15    | Found Kleibum's Weapon Shoppe.
 28070 | D:15    | Got a dazzling robe
 28085 | D:15    | Identified the +4 robe of the Portal Chambers (You found it on level 15 of the Dungeon)
 28786 | D:16    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 29690 | D:16    | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat
 30054 | D:17    | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 30269 | D:17    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 31760 | D:19    | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 31840 | D:19    | Killed monsters: 47 trivial, 68 easy, 59 tough, 0 nasty; 70 corpses
 31840 | D:19    | Reached XP level 16. HP: 150/150 MP: 15/15
 32235 | D:20    | Entered Level 20 of the Dungeon
 32242 | D:20    | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 32572 | D:20    | Noticed Frances
 32588 | D:20    | Defeated Frances
 33679 | D:21    | Reached skill level 17 in Unarmed Combat
 33726 | D:21    | Found a gateway to Hell.
 33778 | D:21    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 33954 | D:21    | Noticed Wiglaf
 33971 | D:21    | Defeated Wiglaf
 34047 | D:22    | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
 35440 | D:21    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 36878 | D:17    | Killed monsters: 47 trivial, 104 easy, 31 tough, 1 nasty; 70 corpses
 36878 | D:17    | Reached XP level 17. HP: 148/157 MP: 16/16
 36974 | D:17    | Found Twiaxeat's Book Boutique.
 37434 | D:22    | Noticed Mara
 37459 | D:22    | Defeated Mara
 37994 | D:22    | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 37995 | D:22    | Reached skill level 18 in Unarmed Combat
 38372 | D:22    | Noticed a titan
 38382 | D:22    | Defeated a titan
 38695 | D:22    | Noticed Frederick
 38719 | D:22    | Defeated Frederick
 38956 | D:22    | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 39173 | D:22    | Noticed Mennas
 39193 | D:22    | Noticed Boris
 39353 | D:18    | Killed monsters: 17 trivial, 41 easy, 32 tough, 4 nasty; 30 corpses
 39353 | D:18    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 151/169 MP: 19/19
 39734 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 40249 | Swamp:1 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 40299 | Swamp:1 | You fall through a shaft!
 41236 | Swamp:2 | Noticed Sonja
 41251 | Swamp:2 | Defeated Sonja
 41866 | Swamp:3 | Noticed Nergalle
 41883 | Swamp:3 | Defeated Nergalle
 42622 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Norris
 42636 | Swamp:4 | Defeated Norris
 42846 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Roxanne
 44071 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp
 45604 | Orc:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 45695 | Elf:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 48787 | Elf:4   | Found a frozen archway.
 48886 | IceCv   | Entered an ice cave
 48972 | IceCv   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 48977 | IceCv   | Identified a +1 cloak of preservation {god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you in an ice cave)
 49046 | IceCv   | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
 49047 | IceCv   | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +2).
 49544 | Elf:5   | Entered Level 5 of the Elven Halls
 49578 | Elf:5   | Noticed a deep elf blademaster
 49578 | Elf:5   | Noticed a deep elf blademaster
 49581 | Elf:5   | Noticed a deep elf master archer
 49593 | Elf:5   | Defeated a deep elf blademaster
 49600 | Elf:5   | Defeated a deep elf blademaster
 49600 | Elf:5   | Killed monsters: 60 trivial, 241 easy, 31 tough, 3 nasty; 118 corpses
 49600 | Elf:5   | Reached XP level 19. HP: 54/175 MP: 14/19
 49601 | Elf:5   | You are cast into the Abyss!
 49601 | Elf:5   | Cast into the Abyss (deep elf sorcerer)
 49601 | Abyss   | Entered The Abyss
 49722 | Abyss   | Reached skill level 19 in Unarmed Combat
 49933 | Abyss   | Noticed a white draconian simulacrum
 49971 | Abyss   | Defeated a white draconian simulacrum
 50011 | Elf:5   | You pass through the gate.
 50037 | Elf:5   | Defeated a deep elf master archer
 50463 | Elf:5   | Noticed a deep elf master archer
 50471 | Elf:5   | Defeated a deep elf master archer
 50502 | Elf:5   | Noticed a deep elf blademaster
 50513 | Elf:5   | Defeated a deep elf blademaster
 50730 | Elf:5   | Got a shield-shaped amulet
 50751 | Elf:5   | Noticed a deep elf master archer
 50751 | Elf:5   | Noticed a deep elf master archer
 50752 | Elf:5   | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
 50756 | Elf:5   | Defeated a deep elf master archer
 50762 | Elf:5   | Defeated a deep elf master archer
 51147 | Elf:5   | Got a droning book
 51163 | Elf:5   | Got a steaming iron ring
 51190 | Elf:5   | Identified the brooch of Shielding (You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)
 51191 | Elf:5   | Identified the ring "Eziroys" (You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)
 51195 | Elf:5   | Identified the Book of Floating Attacks (You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)
 52727 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 52956 | Shoals:1 | You fall through a shaft!
 53340 | Shoals:2 | Noticed Polyphemus
 53372 | Shoals:2 | Defeated Polyphemus
 54657 | Shoals:4 | Got a great shimmering mace
 54658 | Shoals:4 | Identified the +16,-3 Mace of Variability (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)
 54714 | Shoals:4 | Found Saxesh's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 54753 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Aizul
 54769 | Shoals:4 | Defeated Aizul
 54878 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Kirke
 54888 | Shoals:4 | Defeated Kirke
 54936 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 20 in Unarmed Combat
 55169 | Shoals:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Shoals
 55482 | Shoals:5 | Killed monsters: 34 trivial, 96 easy, 50 tough, 0 nasty; 79 corpses
 55482 | Shoals:5 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 181/185 MP: 22/22
 55500 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 55518 | Shoals:5 | Defeated Ilsuiw
 55652 | Shoals:5 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 55774 | Shoals:5 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 56217 | Lair:2  | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
 56469 | Vault:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 56470 | Vault:1 | Noticed a naga mage
 56623 | Vault:1 | Defeated a naga mage
 56626 | Vault:1 | Found Kliczoax's Antique Armour Emporium.
 56858 | Vault:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 57266 | Vault:1 | You fall through a shaft!
 57651 | Vault:2 | Noticed Xtahua
 57664 | Vault:2 | Defeated Xtahua
 57694 | Vault:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 57697 | Vault:2 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 57698 | Vault:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 58406 | Vault:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 58602 | Vault:3 | Found a magical portal.
 58614 | WizLab  | Entered Cigotuvi's Fleshworks
 59228 | WizLab  | Reached skill level 21 in Unarmed Combat
 59725 | Vault:3 | Found Khacvul's General Store.
 59733 | Vault:3 | Bought a potion of healing for 34 gold pieces
 59733 | Vault:3 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon III for 340 gold pieces
 59926 | Vault:3 | Lost mutation: You are agile (Dex +1).
 59926 | Vault:3 | Lost mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head.
 59926 | Vault:3 | Lost mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +2).
 59926 | Vault:3 | Lost mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
 59927 | Vault:3 | Gained mutation: You are weak (Str -1).
 59927 | Vault:3 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating.
 59927 | Vault:3 | Lost mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating.
 59928 | Vault:3 | Lost mutation: You are weak (Str -1).
 59928 | Vault:3 | Gained mutation: You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
 60231 | Vault:4 | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades.
 60270 | Vault:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 60271 | Vault:4 | Got a warped cloak {god gift}
 60305 | Vault:4 | Identified the +4 cloak of Clidgher {god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Vaults)
 60449 | Vault:4 | Noticed a crystal golem
 60465 | Vault:4 | Defeated a crystal golem
 60819 | Vault:5 | Killed monsters: 55 trivial, 124 easy, 44 tough, 1 nasty; 90 corpses
 60819 | Vault:5 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 130/196 MP: 23/23
 61613 | Vault:6 | Noticed an orc warlord
 61623 | Vault:6 | Defeated an orc warlord
 61829 | Vault:6 | A giant slug changed into a shining eye
 61834 | Vault:6 | Defeated a shining eye
 63899 | Vault:7 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 64027 | Vault:7 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 64076 | Vault:7 | Reached skill level 22 in Unarmed Combat
 64892 | Vault:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Vaults
 65294 | Vault:7 | Killed monsters: 42 trivial, 47 easy, 54 tough, 0 nasty; 57 corpses
 65294 | Vault:7 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 127/204 MP: 4/23
 65401 | Vault:8 | Noticed a deep elf sorcerer
 65629 | Vault:8 | Noticed an iron dragon
 65632 | Vault:8 | Defeated a deep elf sorcerer
 65649 | Vault:8 | Defeated an iron dragon
 65651 | Vault:8 | Noticed a golden dragon
 65811 | Vault:7 | Defeated a golden dragon
 65965 | Vault:8 | Reached skill level 23 in Unarmed Combat
 66187 | Vault:8 | Noticed a bone dragon
 66189 | Vault:8 | Noticed a deep elf demonologist
 66210 | Vault:8 | Defeated a bone dragon
 66228 | Vault:8 | Defeated a deep elf demonologist
 66454 | Vault:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 66473 | Vault:8 | Got a fine cloak {god gift}
 66478 | Vault:8 | Identified the +0 cloak of the Republic {god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Vaults)
 66526 | Vault:8 | Got a transparent cloak
 66530 | Vault:8 | Identified the +2 cloak "Mecs" (You acquired it on level 8 of the Vaults)
 66729 | Vault:8 | Noticed a deep elf demonologist
 66760 | Vault:8 | Noticed a guardian serpent
 66760 | Vault:8 | Defeated a guardian serpent
 66766 | Vault:8 | Defeated a deep elf demonologist
 67114 | Vault:8 | Noticed a golden dragon
 67138 | Vault:8 | Defeated a golden dragon
 67477 | Vault:8 | Noticed a deep elf demonologist
 67496 | Vault:8 | Killed monsters: 5 trivial, 28 easy, 51 tough, 0 nasty; 41 corpses
 67496 | Vault:8 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 168/211 MP: 24/24
 67500 | Vault:8 | Noticed a quicksilver dragon
 67516 | Vault:8 | Defeated a deep elf demonologist
 67788 | Vault:8 | Reached skill level 24 in Unarmed Combat
 68047 | Vault:8 | Defeated a quicksilver dragon
 68249 | Vault:8 | Noticed a quicksilver dragon
 68270 | Vault:8 | Noticed a shining eye
 68287 | Vault:7 | HP: 6/211 [frost giant/bolt of cold (36)]
 68851 | Vault:8 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating.
 68853 | Vault:8 | A shining eye changed into a cyclops
 68896 | Vault:8 | Noticed a golden dragon
 68949 | Vault:8 | Defeated a golden dragon
 69077 | Vault:8 | HP: 7/211 [tentacled monstrosity (13)]
 69889 | Vault:8 | Defeated a quicksilver dragon
 69921 | Vault:8 | Got a round shield
 69937 | Vault:8 | Got an ancient lead ring
 69966 | Vault:8 | Got a silver rune of Zot
 70034 | Vault:8 | Identified the ring "Gofib" (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)
 70510 | Lair:2  | Identified the +15 shield "Bullseye" (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)


So my question is, if i should switch to the gold dragon armor or if i should stick with robes. also, should i go straight for 3(4) runes and escape or is it worth to take a look at the endendgame with this char? The "plan" would be to switch to TSO and enchant the spiked club with holy wrath. or should i stick with unarmed combat?
And would it be worth to learn some more spells like reflect missile etc?

Thanks

Vaults Vanquisher

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Post Wednesday, 16th February 2011, 17:15

Re: TrMo looking for advice

Lots of people have tried to get more than 3 runes the first time they're able to, and then die soon after, regretting that they hadn't just gone for Zot. But, others succeed. So it's up to you.

Is GDA considered heavy armor? I assume it is. If so, it's good for defense but might screw with your unarmed a bit. Maybe get the holy spiked club and then GDA.
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Barkeep

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Post Wednesday, 16th February 2011, 20:44

Re: TrMo looking for advice

GDA is really heavy. You have no armour skill. I would not switch unless you plan to die. You still might find or get a better robe.

If you have never won before, you should go for the three runer.
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Blades Runner

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Post Wednesday, 16th February 2011, 21:23

Re: TrMo looking for advice

minmay wrote:Actually, GDA is perfectly good with no armor skill.

That's wrong on so many levels. :|

kev

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Post Wednesday, 16th February 2011, 23:18

Re: TrMo looking for advice

well, i sticked to robes and unarmed combat and won my first 3-runer !

Slime Squisher

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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 00:22

Re: TrMo looking for advice

minmay wrote:Actually, GDA is perfectly good with no armor skill. The bigger problem is that your 17 dodging skill goes to waste.


This is one of the conundrums of playing a Troll. You end up spending a very good chunk of your game in search of SOMETHING, ANYTHING that trains your armor skill. I've even skinned a troll and enchanted its hide just to get the armor skill rolling.

All that time though, in order to stay alive, you need to be training dodging to keep up with the ever increasing difficulty of the monsters around you. By the time you finally get some decent swamp dragon armor or something, you've probably already dumped 12-17 skill levels into dodging, which might go wasted if you end up wearing GDA.

Almost makes me wish there were some other hides available for large races that were available in the early to mid-game for trolls and ogres to train up their armor skill. But at the same time, doing so may have the adverse effect of negating the large-size-no-armor-for-joo penalty that Trolls are born with.

Still though, wasting all those dodging points is a bit sad. I suppose if you stick to some of the more light heavy armors, you can still get good benefit out of that dodging skill. In my case though, I'm almost always shooting for the ultimate goal of wearing Gold Dragon Armor. How much Armor skill do you need while wearing GDA in order for your dodging skill to start working again?

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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 01:12

Re: TrMo looking for advice

If I understand the formula correctly, and I'm looking at the correct one, 27 armor skill will cut your EV penalty by 60%, or equivalent to being in chain mail with 0 armor skill. Not terrible, although obviously you're not going to get armor skill that high in actual play. This assumes you have at least 27 strength, which is the minimum to not completely suck in that kind of armor.

As a matter of simple defense, it is probably worth exchanging the EV for the AC, particularly since 22EV isn't particularly awesome anyway. It'll cost you any hope of casting any spells ever, though, and it takes a LOT of enchant armor scrolls to get the full AC benefit.

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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 11:19

Re: TrMo looking for advice

KoboldLord wrote: It'll cost you any hope of casting any spells ever, though, and it takes a LOT of enchant armor scrolls to get the full AC benefit.


the scrolls aren't exactly the problem as a troll.
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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 17:22

Re: TrMo looking for advice

22 EV may not be much, but I think it's better than 0 EV and minimal AC. Training armour in the early midgame is one thing - training it in the end-game is another. There are things around that can hurt you real fast.

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Post Friday, 18th February 2011, 01:32

Re: TrMo looking for advice

danr wrote:22 EV may not be much, but I think it's better than 0 EV and minimal AC. Training armour in the early midgame is one thing - training it in the end-game is another. There are things around that can hurt you real fast.


If he's got the scrolls, it's +18 AC over his current robe even with zero armor skill. 41AC is actually very good. Comparatively, 22EV is much less than half as effective as 44EV. Losing 9 points from something that isn't doing much good anyway isn't such a terrible thing.

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