Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot


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Post Tuesday, 18th January 2011, 02:15

Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

I'm not bitter. These things have all happened to me. With a frequency which suggests it has to be deliberate.

1. A monk will always find a suit of platemail on DL1, usually runed or glowing. There are no exceptions to this.

2. When hungry, the chances of a monster leaving an edible corpse drop by half. When very hungry, this drops a further 49%. The exception is monsters who leave poisonous corpses, who will leave a corpse 100% of the time, unless you have poison resistance.

3. If you definitely have in mind a particular god when you start a character, the temple will appear on DL4. Every god barring the one you're looking for will have an altar there; the missing altar will be on DL9, most likely behind a secret door.

4. Characters starting with gods will see approximately three times as many altars to other gods between DL1 and the Temple than a character with no god.

Feel free to add your own ;)

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Post Tuesday, 18th January 2011, 07:00

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

When you're near starving and you kill an Ogre, and it dropped a corpse, and you cut it up and get 4 chunks of ogre flesh, every single piece makes you sick.

Centaur and Naga Bardings are everywhere until you play a Centaur or Naga.

Potions of Mutation always give shoutitis to Stabbers, and always berserkitis to Spriggans.
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Post Tuesday, 18th January 2011, 08:05

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

The moment your Felid character enters the dungeon 3/4ths of the jewelry in the dungeon gets automatically destroyed. The ones left are the least useful for the class you picked.
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Post Tuesday, 18th January 2011, 20:29

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

The very next turn after your last chunk goes rotten, you will go hungry.

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Post Tuesday, 18th January 2011, 22:10

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

-- When starting any character using maces, or polearms as their weapon specialty, the first butchering weapon you pick up will be cursed.
-- When quaff ID-ing potions, you will always try the potion of cure-mutation before cause mutation, and if you don't, the mutations you got from the potion were ones you actually wanted to keep.
-- When you have under 25% hp and are resting in place, there is a 100% more likelihood that hostile monsters will enter your field of view than if you were fully healed already
-- When engaging an elephant in melee and trying to go up the stairs, there is a 100% he will trample you off of them as you try.
-- Erlocha's first spell when she sees you will always be banishment.
-- Teleporting on Snake:5 will always lead to the Greater Naga nest, unless you're hoping to ninja apport it, and you will land elsewhere.
-- If you're a demonspawn, and find boots of running on DL:3, you can bet your bottom gold coin that the next level up, you're getting the hooves mutation.
-- Book shops are 500% more likely when you're playing a berserker.
-- Your miss rate for projectiles is tripled when there is lava behind your intended target. Quadrupled if you're throwing javelins.
-- If you read an unidentified scroll next to a friendly companion, it will always end up being a scroll of immolation.
-- That elephant WILL run away before you can kill it.
-- Unseen horrors are twice as likely to be generated on open levels.
-- Scrolls of blinking are three times more likely to be consumed by sticky flame.
-- There are no exit portals in the Abyss anymore: enjoy your stay.
-- Your wand of digging will always run out of charges 1 zap away from the end of the tunnel leading to the room with the stairs to Elf:1.
-- You found a randart Crystal Plate Mail? Too bad it's going to be -8 {Hunger+ MUT Stealth++}.

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Post Wednesday, 19th January 2011, 05:38

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

chukamok wrote:The very next turn after your last chunk goes rotten, you will go hungry.


I swear this is deliberately coded into the game.
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Post Wednesday, 19th January 2011, 12:40

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Moose wrote:Scrolls of blinking are three times more likely to be consumed by sticky flame.


This.

Also, if you are a Transmuter, all artifacts you find will be weapons. Unless you worship Cheibriados, in which case you'll get armour as well, but only for slots you are relying on for Ponderousness.
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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 09:51

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

When you find a runed crystal plate mail on D:7, you inevitably realize that you are playing a Spriggan at the moment.
... and forgive us our YASDs,
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And lead us not into the Abyss,
But deliver us from Sigmund,
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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 10:06

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

If you worship Vehumet it is guaranteed you will find the Book of Annihilation just laying around in some random dungeon level.

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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 10:23

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Jenx wrote:If you worship Vehumet it is guaranteed you will find the Book of Annihilation just laying around in some random dungeon level.

That's not that bad, is it? :)
... and forgive us our YASDs,
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But deliver us from Sigmund,
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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 12:07

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Thread drifty, but I once found a shop with two Necronomica in it.

Fortunately that character died before he could accumulate enough gold to consider retraining as a Necromancer :P
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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 13:55

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Jenx wrote:If you worship Vehumet it is guaranteed you will find the Book of Annihilation just laying around in some random dungeon level.


For an even better guarantee of spawning the highlevel books, worship Trog.
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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 13:56

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Grimm wrote:
chukamok wrote:The very next turn after your last chunk goes rotten, you will go hungry.


I swear this is deliberately coded into the game.


For sure it's the smell what makes you hungry
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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 14:51

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

If you have a spell caster who can cast a spell at 'Very Good' the spell will only fail 3 times in a row when it's absolutely critical. (And yes, I know it's just basic stats, and you shouldn't cast anything that's just 'Very Good" because of hunger and miscast effects, but when you really need an Orb of Destruction you really fracking need an Orb of Destruction.)

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Post Thursday, 20th January 2011, 16:15

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Shade wrote:If you have a spell caster who can cast a spell at 'Very Good' the spell will only fail 3 times in a row when it's absolutely critical. (And yes, I know it's just basic stats, and you shouldn't cast anything that's just 'Very Good" because of hunger and miscast effects, but when you really need an Orb of Destruction you really fracking need an Orb of Destruction.)


This is less an Immutable Law of Zot, and more a well-documented Blatant Lie made by the user interface. The part I like best is how "Good" describes a 1 in 5 chance of miscast, which in some cases can potentially deal more damage than you have maximum hit points, for instance a L4 fire elementalist's Sticky Flame spell.
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Post Friday, 21st January 2011, 00:23

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

If you're using a two handed weapon, your scrolls of acquirement will always give you shields of reflection.
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Post Friday, 21st January 2011, 02:04

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

No matter what, at some point your TOS worshiper will find the Necronomicon on the floor.
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Post Friday, 21st January 2011, 03:10

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

When you spend several dozen turns looking for edible creatures, the dungeon will be deserted until you hit near starving, cave in, and eat your only bread ration. Within 5 turns, something delicious will then come round the corner. This happens so often I half-expect 0.8 to includy pizza golems and jerky elementals.

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Post Friday, 21st January 2011, 14:25

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

9.9% The target is banished to the Abyss


The number in the wiki is wrong. Someone probably put the . in there accidentally, because the chance of being banished into the Abyss is 99%.
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Post Friday, 21st January 2011, 16:22

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Wolfechu wrote:3. If you definitely have in mind a particular god when you start a character, the temple will appear on DL4. Every god barring the one you're looking for will have an altar there; the missing altar will be on DL9, most likely behind a secret door.


I upgraded and built a copy of trunk specifically so my next Transmuter could have a look at the changes to Ponderousness.

No points for guessing whose altar is demonstrating this Immutable Law today :P
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Post Friday, 21st January 2011, 17:39

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Moose wrote:-- If you read an unidentified scroll next to a friendly companion, it will always end up being a scroll of immolation.


Especially if you worship Okawaru or Elyvilon.
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Post Friday, 21st January 2011, 20:32

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

If you are playing a stealth-oriented combo trying to branch into long blades, the earliest and best weapon you will find will be the Singing Sword.

(Happened to me twice in the past week.)
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Post Saturday, 22nd January 2011, 04:11

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Moose wrote:-- Scrolls of blinking are three times more likely to be consumed by sticky flame.


Sorry to spoil the fun but I actually think is supposed to happen. Ever notice that your filler scrolls (paper, random uselessness, curse gear) never catch fire?

Same thing with potions. It shatters beneficial potions (especially Healing and Heal Wounds), but never confusion or paralysis.
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Post Saturday, 22nd January 2011, 07:29

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

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Moose wrote:-- Scrolls of blinking are three times more likely to be consumed by sticky flame.


Sorry to spoil the fun but I actually think is supposed to happen. Ever notice that your filler scrolls (paper, random uselessness, curse gear) never catch fire?

Same thing with potions. It shatters beneficial potions (especially Healing and Heal Wounds), but never confusion or paralysis.



Unless those are useful to you. Transmuters will always loose their Decay potions first, then their poison and confusion (along with paralysis and degeneration). I guess it figures since you have the most of those, but it is pretty annoying.

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Post Sunday, 23rd January 2011, 02:16

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

If you find a an amazing piece of equipment on D:2, Ijyb is guaranteed to spawn on D:3 with a wand of draining and murder you.
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Post Sunday, 23rd January 2011, 04:04

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

tormodpwns wrote:
Moose wrote:-- Scrolls of blinking are three times more likely to be consumed by sticky flame.


Sorry to spoil the fun but I actually think is supposed to happen. Ever notice that your filler scrolls (paper, random uselessness, curse gear) never catch fire?


As far as I can tell from the code, item quality isn't considered in this. However, each stack (and item) is considered independently, so filler scrolls and potions don't protect your good stuff. Only blood potions are somewhat special: oldest potions are broken first.

Somewhat oddly, it looks like conservation effects work on an entire stack at a time.
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Post Monday, 24th January 2011, 21:38

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If you dodge Sigmund on D:2, Ijyb is gonna have a wand waiting for you ...
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Post Tuesday, 25th January 2011, 00:25

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The unidentified potion you quaff before dying stupidly will always be brilliance. Always.

You feel more clever!
The rat bites!
You die...

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Post Tuesday, 25th January 2011, 00:42

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Burningled wrote:The unidentified potion you quaff before dying stupidly will always be brilliance. Always.

You feel more clever!
The rat bites!
You die...


oops meant to quote, oh well i guess i agree.
yeah i could really do without potions of brilliance or agility

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Post Tuesday, 25th January 2011, 01:29

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

The chance that a scroll of teleportation will improve your situation is inversely proportional to the amount of danger involved in your previous one.
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Post Wednesday, 26th January 2011, 09:14

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Moments after your Transmuter chooses Cheibriados, you will find a scroll of identify that tells you that amulet you had was an Amulet of Rage.

*mutter*
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Post Thursday, 27th January 2011, 19:03

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Immediately after losing 3 DDNe's to stupidity and the RNG, do not start a human priest. The first weapon you find *will* be a hammer of pain.

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Post Friday, 28th January 2011, 18:37

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

-Food will be extremely plentiful if you're playing a Spriggan or Mummy, as well as potions and rings of regeneration, in the case of the latter.

-God gifts will always suck if they're not guaranteed gifts or somehow easy to influence. Trog will always give you animal skins, Oka will always give you slings, Xom will give you an apple, etc.

-Mutations are always bad, even from sources that supposedly are more likely to be beneficial.

-Nagas will always find artefact Centaur bardings, and vice versa.

-Spellcasters will always find excellent heavy armor almost immediately.

-You will never, EVER find ideal equipment. This holds especially true if you're looking for an unbranded version of a really good weapon.

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Post Friday, 28th January 2011, 19:29

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Trog only gives weapons. :P
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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 00:18

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Inspired by another thread, but you will -always- find that great weapon of Slay Orc after you've already cleared out the Mines.
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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 02:25

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

In a similar vein... "You see here a glowing demon whip."

On DL9.

I think I've only ever seen one of these before, and that was a plain one.

Oh, what am I playing?

Felid Beserker :P Curse these non-opposable thumbs...

Also had two weapon shops, 3 armor shops. No jewelry shops, naturally.
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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 02:29

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

joellercoaster wrote:Moments after your Transmuter chooses Cheibriados, you will find a scroll of identify that tells you that amulet you had was an Amulet of Rage.

*mutter*


doesn't that auto-id?
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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 08:18

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

DemiFiend wrote:-Food will be extremely plentiful if you're playing a Spriggan


But it'll be all meat.


Fountains of Blood are fairly common... until you play a Vampire.

If you play a Merfolk, you will not get both Swamp and Shoals.

If you're a caster and you do not take Sif Muna, Selective Amnesia will forget to show up in a book.

If you follow Chei, the next pair of boots will be Boots of Speed.
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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 09:17

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If you start game of Crawl, you will finish it not by winning but by dying.

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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 10:00

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If you find something that occurs frequently in your games, it will mysteriously be absent only on the times you try to take advantage of it (why do all the runed sabres I find littering the first few floors when playing axes vanish when I pick swords!?).

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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 17:38

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

"I don't think my character will get hungry soon, I'd better sacrifice this corpse." Guess what happens the next turn?
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Post Saturday, 29th January 2011, 22:33

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TwilightPhoenix wrote:If you follow Chei, the next pair of boots will be Boots of Speed.


This literally just happened to me (also the first time I've ever found Boots of Running, wahh).

So far, there have been no other boots in the game and I'm maxed out on Ponderousness in my other slots... but it's early days yet and I'm happily burning piety training Invocations in the meantime.

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Post Monday, 31st January 2011, 02:53

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

The moment you give up on your string of berserkers and pick up a caster again, every artifact you find will be awesome, excluding the pesky -CAST attribute.

(Seriously. 3 for 3 so far... :| )

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Post Monday, 31st January 2011, 19:49

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Although imps will blink away constantly when you try to engage them in combat by themselves, they will refuse to blink away in crunch situations in which they are blocking your route of escape from a greater threat - specifically, they will stand behind you in a corridor and let that troll have you for tiffin.
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Post Tuesday, 1st February 2011, 19:27

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Casting Necromutation in the Abyss will spawn a Deava.
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Post Thursday, 3rd February 2011, 18:17

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If you get Teleportitis early, you will never get rid of it. In fact, you will get the third rank of Resist Mutation mutation and be stuck with it permanently if you live long enough.

Also, if you have Res Mut 2, drinking a potion of Cure Mutation will almost always just say "You feel odd for a moment."
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Post Thursday, 3rd February 2011, 19:31

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Maurice will always steal your heath potions then drink them all as you kill him.
You will also never find him again after he runs away.
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Post Friday, 4th February 2011, 08:04

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Also Characters with cool Names Like Ripskull or Bloodgut you will die before D:5
However once you give a character a lame name like Fluffbean Jigglebags You will get a 15 Rune win and his name will be stuck at the top of your highscore list forever.

(This works best if you tried to make the same exact charter build with an amazingly awesome name over 20 times)

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Post Friday, 4th February 2011, 08:24

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Not true. I had a DDCK of Makhleb go as far as the last level of Swamp before he died, and he was called Grimgut.
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Post Friday, 4th February 2011, 12:49

Re: Immutable Laws of the Dungeon of Zot

Whenever I find a good name, I name the successors to that character II, III, IV, V etc. - each one dies earlier and earlier until I give up the name altogether.
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