ASCII vs. Tiles


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ASCII
9
14%
ASCII over Tiles
4
6%
both equally
3
5%
Tiles over ASCII
13
20%
Tiles
33
50%
I barely play offline
4
6%
 
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Post Wednesday, 22nd December 2010, 15:10

ASCII vs. Tiles

Although I sometimes start the Tiles Version, 95% of my playtime is in ASCII mode, so clear vote for ASCII from me.
In the beginning I played Tiles Version without mouse alot, it helped me to learn and press the right keys.

I personally prefere the bigger Console, and increased width and height in the viewport options.
What do other people think about ASCII vs. Tiles Version?
Even with TabO alone Tiles player get a feeling of Console.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd December 2010, 15:33

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Once I found DCSS and started playing tiles, I've never gone back to ASCII. I do miss the opportunity of online play, but many times I'm playing offline anyway.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd December 2010, 15:51

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

A major limiting factor for me is my laptop keyboard, without a number pad - switching "Num lock" or whatever constantly would be too annoying to play ASCII. So I need the mouse, and ergo the Tiles version.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd December 2010, 16:57

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

danr wrote:A major limiting factor for me is my laptop keyboard, without a number pad - switching "Num lock" or whatever constantly would be too annoying to play ASCII. So I need the mouse, and ergo the Tiles version.


When I played on a laptop, I used H, J, K, L, etc.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd December 2010, 18:13

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I never could get the hang of those, and I also use a Dvorak layout, though I recall seeing an option for a dvorak mapping I think...

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Post Wednesday, 22nd December 2010, 18:21

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I had the same problem because I switched to Neo-Leyout two month ago. Then I recognized that I didn't play crawl anymore because I couldn't move properly :shock: .
So I trained movement for a while and it works quite well now ( if I concentrate on it ;) ).

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Post Thursday, 23rd December 2010, 01:14

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I hate using my mouse, hate graphical tiles, and like online play; I only ever play offline when I need to do wizmode testing or have no internet connection.
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Post Thursday, 23rd December 2010, 01:33

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I play all other roguelikes in ASCII and avoid tiles like the plague. For some reason I really enjoy tiles mode for Dungeon Crawl, though.

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Post Thursday, 23rd December 2010, 02:18

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

i usually play tiles, as my playing times are sporadic(i know not a great reason). It is just easier for me to switch back and forth between whatever I am doing at work and Crawl when it is tiles. I don't have to sit, think, and catch my place again. Although I suppose if I started playing ascii again, I wouldn't have to switch away from Crawl when someone walks by(heh). They would prob just think I was doing something productive with all of those symbols on my screen.

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Post Thursday, 23rd December 2010, 12:57

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

danr wrote:I never could get the hang of those, and I also use a Dvorak layout, though I recall seeing an option for a dvorak mapping I think...


It'd be great if you could try it out and give a little feedback. One dev (felirx) uses dvorak and we made the mapping during the usability project.

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Post Thursday, 23rd December 2010, 19:14

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

whelk wrote:I play all other roguelikes in ASCII and avoid tiles like the plague. For some reason I really enjoy tiles mode for Dungeon Crawl, though.


Gotta agree with you there - must just be the awesomeness of Crawl's tileset (yes, even compared to David Gervais' Angband tiles!), as well as the fact that Crawl doesn't have monsters that sneak up on your at warp speed from 50 grids away, like Angband does!

Well, actually, I used to play Nethack in tiles mode, but not lately, because UnNethack doesn't support tiles, so I got used to ASCII again...
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Post Friday, 24th December 2010, 01:24

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Fancy seeing you here, ekolis.

Yeah, the lack of "warp speed" monsters probably has a lot to do with it. I don't worry so much about having to see enemies halfway across the map in Crawl like I do in the 'bands.
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Post Friday, 24th December 2010, 03:00

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Fairly new to Crawl, and was a diehard ASCII fan with Nethack for years. Wouldn't have dreamt of using tiles.

Tiles in crawl, however, are actually more helpful than not having them, so I'm hooked. I'm not nearly good enough yet to faff around on online servers, so I'm fine with this.
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Post Friday, 24th December 2010, 03:18

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Having tried the tiles in Angbands, Nethacks etc, I find DCSS's tiles and interface second to none.
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Post Friday, 24th December 2010, 11:58

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I'm another in the "Played other Roguelikes exclusively in ASCII mode for years, but am seduced by Crawl's nice tileset" camp.

I suspect I'd play better in terminal mode because it's how my brain is used to processing Roguelike data. But they're pretty, and I like them!
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Post Saturday, 1st January 2011, 03:59

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I've almost always played rogue-likes with ASCII (Since most didn't have anything else), but definitely prefer the DCSS tiles. Other than looking nice, they also convey information at a glance that you wouldn't be able to see without cumbersome manual checking in ASCII (Like monster health, etc). However, I use almost entirely keyboard controls with tiles, with only the occasional use of the mouse to look around the mini-map or go to a specific location on the level. Sometimes I use the mouse for picking things up, too, but more often I use the keyboard, and for drinking potions, reading scrolls, etc, using the quaff/read/etc commands just comes naturally (Probably because of my background with other games). Clicking on monsters to fight them or target them seems odd to me, so I suppose I'm a strange hybrid with mostly keyboard controls and tiles display (I use the numpad, if anyone cares...).

No tiles play is what keeps me from playing online. I could do it, but I don't think the potential fun of on-line would outweigh the loss of the tile interface and information for me.

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Post Saturday, 1st January 2011, 08:43

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Twilight wrote:I suppose I'm a strange hybrid with mostly keyboard controls and tiles display (I use the numpad, if anyone cares...).


I don't think you are a strange hybrid. I play tiles for the same reasons, and I use the keyboard and mouse the same way you do. I guess it's quite common.
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Post Sunday, 2nd January 2011, 02:14

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Ascii all the way :D

I don't play offline, but if I did, it'd be ascii too.

And let's face it - what's better than a good community crawl ascii game? :)
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Post Sunday, 2nd January 2011, 08:52

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

One more 'other roguelikes more in ASCII, but Crawl more in tiles'. Reason for Crawl in tiles are already mentioned. ASCII makes of course the best 'graphics' like in textadventures or reading a book tops every movie. I would like to see the return of a Iso-Tile version for Stone Soup. Or even a first person view mode like there is for IVAN:

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Dungeon Crawl Iso tiles

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Post Wednesday, 5th January 2011, 20:29

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Lack of tiles online is the only thing preventing me from playing online.

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Post Wednesday, 5th January 2011, 20:39

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Haven't played that many roguelikes, but form the ones I've played - Nethack I play with Tiles, cos I like it, DCSS play with tiles because I like it even more, Doom RL I played without tiles, since those are apparently still being made (they are being made by the Derek Yu who made Spelunky, and from the mock screenshots I've seen they look awesome).

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Post Wednesday, 5th January 2011, 20:50

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Crawl's tileset is gorgeous. The only ASCII roguelike that I still play at all is Incursion, and if Julian Mensch ever adopts a good tileset, I'd switch. I don't have a problem with ASCII, I'm just kind of tired of it. Not to mention that the tileset has enabled me to get a few buddies into Crawl, whereas ASCII was a huge barrier of entry, fair or not.

Jenx wrote:Nethack I play with Tiles


I found the tileset that comes with Nethack to be actively ugly, and the only other option I've found, Falcon's/Vulture's Eye has hideous isometric CGI. What do you use?

fnwc wrote:Lack of tiles online is the only thing preventing me from playing online.


Try NetTiles. The only thing stopping me from playing online is that I'm a trunker.
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Post Wednesday, 5th January 2011, 22:21

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Don't use NetTiles. It's buggy and outdated. Besides, it lacks all of the tiles version's features. NetTiles is useful if you're too lazy to memorize monster glyphs. :P

You can play the developmental version of Crawl online on CDO.
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Post Wednesday, 5th January 2011, 22:27

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

lucy_ferre wrote:Don't use NetTiles. It's buggy and outdated. Besides, it lacks all of the tiles version's features. NetTiles is useful if you're too lazy to memorize monster glyphs. :P

You can play the developmental version of Crawl online on CDO.


Yeah, NetTiles is no good. I tried it a few times and it just drove me crazy. It was cool for watching some of my pals play on CDO, though, during the August tournament.

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Post Thursday, 6th January 2011, 00:51

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I'm wondering if there are plans in the future to somehow support tiles online play, even if it requires a dedicated client (as opposed to telnet).

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Post Thursday, 6th January 2011, 01:37

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Post Saturday, 8th January 2011, 21:30

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I prefer Crawl with tiles, though that doesn't stop me from playing online from time to time.

I play NetHack using the Geoduck tiles, which I quite like.
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Post Sunday, 9th January 2011, 21:41

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I prefer tiles, but I also like playing online. Thus, if I'm playing offline I'll use tiles, but otherwise it's ascii.

In the past, I prefered ascii in every case because of crawl's monster list feature (which tiles used to lack). I still think the ascii one is a bit better, but the one in the tiles version is usable enough.
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Post Monday, 10th January 2011, 00:42

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

I like Crawl's tiles. I played online for a few months and during the tournament, but that was mainly for bragging rights. I'm in no rush to get back online and ruin my current streak. ;)

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Post Monday, 10th January 2011, 10:18

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Crawl with tiles! It makes it oh so much easier 8-)

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Post Monday, 10th January 2011, 13:25

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

ASCII, for two main reasons:

ASCII tends to provoke my fantasy much more then tiles do, although they're very nice to look at. And I'm also too idle to learn monsters' tiles, when I already know their glyphs.

Second reason is, of course, online play. Not only does it allow me to watch other people's games, especially in interesting locations. But it also allows other people to watch my game and comment my play (both in a helpful and snidy manner, when called for).
For one, I have one SpVM all-runer, which I would probably not get without great advice by Casmith789 and Monky during my Pan times (thank you, guys, yet again :) ).
And of course, the bragging is so much easier with the ##crawl channel and their bots :) .
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Post Monday, 10th January 2011, 19:44

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Tiles only because I am a latecomer to roguelikes and cannot be arsed to develop ASCII interpretation skills. I make enough YASD mistakes as it is.

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Post Tuesday, 11th January 2011, 12:21

Re: ASCII vs. Tiles

Tiles all the way. I've tried using ASCII before, and I just like the mouse interface too much. Also, pictures are generally clearer as to what's going on than letters.

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