Next Step for MiBe of Trog?


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Temple Termagant

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Joined: Wednesday, 18th July 2018, 19:34

Post Monday, 24th September 2018, 22:48

Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

My first time getting two runes, I have cleared the Dungeon, Lair, Orc, Shoals, and Spider. Should I go with Elf, Vaults, or Depths next?

Also, I hit min delay on my Maces, should I cross train some other weapon? The only other really good weapon I have is this short sword but I'm not really a stabber.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

Jabbatz the Warrior (Minotaur Berserker)           Turns: 33905, Time: 06:06:20

Health: 168/168    AC: 27    Str: 28    XL:     18   Next: 32%
Magic:  22/22      EV: 19    Int: 13    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   2385       SH: 11    Dex: 19    Spells: 17/17 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   h - +10 morningstar {freeze, +Inv MR- Str+4 Int+8}
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   j - +2 buckler
rNeg     + + .     Faith    .   t - +3 plate armour
rPois    +         Spirit   .   V - +1 hat
rElec    .         Reflect  .   C - +1 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   J - +0 pair of gloves
MR       ++...                  g - +0 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             D - amulet of regeneration
HPRegen  0.78/turn              k - ring of Ykhil {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-}
MPRegen  0.18/turn              F - +4 ring of dexterity

@: no status effects
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 7 of the Dungeon.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 32 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 2884 gold pieces.
You have spent 499 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 b - a +0 morningstar of holy wrath
 h - the +10 morningstar of Battle (weapon) {freeze, +Inv MR- Str+4 Int+8}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+8).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 M - the +10 short sword of Winter {pierce, rF+ MR+ Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 T - a +2 demon whip of freezing
 Z - a +6 antimagic morningstar
Missiles
 r - 5 tomahawks of returning
 P - 3 poisoned javelins (quivered)
Armour
 a - the +0 buckler "Udoutora" {rF+ rN+ Int-4}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (-4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 e - a +0 large shield
 g - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 j - a +2 buckler (worn)
 t - a +3 plate armour (worn)
 C - a +1 cloak (worn)
 J - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 V - a +1 hat (worn)
Jewellery
 k - the ring of Ykhil (left hand) {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-}
   (You took it off an orc warrior on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of loudness]
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 v - a +3 ring of protection
 D - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 F - a +4 ring of dexterity (right hand)
 G - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 K - an uncursed ring of flight
 L - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 Y - an uncursed ring of positive energy
Wands
 w - a wand of polymorph (21)
 y - a wand of flame (81)
 E - a wand of clouds (5)
 N - a wand of iceblast (38)
 Q - a wand of enslavement (20)
 R - a wand of acid (17)
 U - a wand of digging (17)
 W - a wand of disintegration (9)
 X - a wand of paralysis (31)
Scrolls
 i - 8 scrolls of identify
 l - a scroll of fog
 m - 4 scrolls of fear
 p - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 u - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
 z - 11 scrolls of remove curse
 A - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
Potions
 d - 3 potions of cancellation
 f - 7 potions of haste
 n - a potion of resistance
 o - 9 potions of curing
 q - 8 potions of might
 s - 4 potions of agility
 B - 2 potions of magic
 H - 5 potions of brilliance
 I - 9 potions of flight
Miscellaneous
 O - a lamp of fire (inert)
Comestibles
 c - 37 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 16.9 Fighting
 - Level 16.4 Maces & Flails
 - Level 6.8 Throwing
 + Level 16.8 Armour
 + Level 15.6 Dodging
 + Level 16.6 Shields
 + Level 7.9 Evocations


You have 17 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:3       Spider (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:10            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:14
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:10 ?   Orc:2 %(!}:

Annotations:
D:15 1 exclusion
Spider:1 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne
Spider:2 exclusion: 2 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

The sixfirhy is almost dead.
You closely miss the sixfirhy. Your headbutt misses the sixfirhy.
The sixfirhy is almost dead.
You miss the sixfirhy.
The sixfirhy is severely wounded.
The sixfirhy misses you.
The sixfirhy hits you but does no damage.
You block the sixfirhy's attack.
You puncture the sixfirhy! You freeze the sixfirhy.
The sixfirhy is almost dead.
The sixfirhy barely misses you. You furiously retaliate! You headbutt the sixfirhy.
You kill the sixfirhy!
Trog accepts your kill.
There is an open door here.
c - 37 rations (gained 1)
There is an open door here.
Char dumped to 'morgue/Jabbatz.txt'.
Search for what [Enter for "elec", or ? for help]? artifact
Unknown command.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Mara (Spider:4)
  Arachne (Spider:4)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:4)
  A fire giant (D:15)
  A frost giant (Shoals:4)
  4 ghost moths
  7 emperor scorpions
  5 entropy weavers
  A dire elephant (Lair:6)
  Snorg (D:11)
  12 merfolk impalers
  3 merfolk javelineers
  A fire dragon (D:15)
  Josephine (Spider:1)
  An ogre mage (Orc:2)
  Fannar (Lair:2)
  Erolcha (D:9)
  7 hydras
  An ice dragon (Lair:4)
  2 merfolk avatars
  A centaur warrior (D:14)
  3 merfolk aquamancers (Shoals:4)
  An alligator snapping turtle (Shoals:4)
  A catoblepas (D:14)
  2 dancing weapons (D:14)
  A deep troll shaman (Lair:6)
  9 two-headed ogres
  6 death yaks (Lair:5)
  Urug (Lair:2)
  Nergalle (Lair:2)
  10 sea snakes
  A sixfirhy (D:7)
  3 skeletal warriors (D:14)
  6 unseen horrors
  A deep troll (shapeshifter) (D:12)
  26 harpies
  5 orc knights
  A deep elf mage (D:14)
  22 orb spiders
  13 ugly things
  The ghost of Ticubbie the Covert, a novice SpEn of Makhleb (D:8)
  10 orc sorcerers
  5 cyclopes
  9 fauns
  17 manticores
  24 wolf spiders
  14 elephants
  3 moths of wrath
  15 merfolk sirens
  4 black mambas
  2 centaur zombies
  8 water nymphs
  A torpor snail (Spider:2)
  2 ice statues (IceCv)
  2 gargoyles
  7 spiny frogs
  Psyche (D:8)
  A rime drake (Lair:4)
  5 komodo dragons
  2 efreet
  A yaktaur (Shoals:2)
  10 demonic crawlers
  37 jumping spiders
  2 polar bears
  21 merfolk
  10 snapping turtles
  3 hornets
  3 wind drakes (Shoals:4)
  9 slime creatures
  3 trolls
  Grinder (D:6)
  6 blink frogs
  12 hippogriffs
  A meliai zombie (D:14)
  3 dream sheep (Shoals:2)
  4 water elementals
  77 redbacks
  22 yaks
  4 wraiths
  A basilisk (Lair:2)
  23 tarantellas
  Grum (D:9)
  2 humans (Shoals:1)
  3 hungry ghosts
  3 wyverns
  2 vampire mosquitoes (D:15)
  An acid dragon (D:11)
  2 wargs
  2 soldier ants (D:8)
  15 water moccasins
  2 floating eyes (D:12)
  18 orc warriors
  7 porcupines
  10 ice beasts
  3 phantoms
  3 black bears
  4 sky beasts
  15 ogres
  7 wolves
  9 centaurs
  10 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  15 bullfrogs
  3 scorpions
  14 wights
  9 electric eels
  2 howler monkeys (D:7)
  10 crimson imps
  5 hounds
  16 orc priests
  A jelly (D:9)
  A quasit (D:5)
  3 centaur skeletons
  30 orc wizards
  A gnoll shaman (D:9)
  An iguana (D:5)
  13 worker ants
  A hound zombie (D:8)
  3 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:10)
  Robin (D:2)
  13 adders
  2 howler monkey skeletons
  7 gnolls
  2 shadow imps
  3 white imps (Lair:4)
  An ooze (D:1)
  2 adder skeletons
  3 worms
  2 dart slugs
  9 leopard geckos
  95 orcs
  6 bats
  2 giant cockroaches (D:3)
  5 hobgoblins
  16 jackals
  19 kobolds
  4 quokkas
  4 frilled lizards
  13 goblins
  2 goblin zombies (D:8)
  A leopard gecko skeleton (D:7)
  3 rats
  A bush (Shoals:2)
1020 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Rupert (Orc:2)
  Louise (Spider:1)
  A hydra (D:11)
  Harold (D:10)
  A merfolk avatar (Shoals:3)
  A catoblepas (Lair:6)
  3 ogre magi
  4 death yaks (Lair:6)
  3 two-headed ogres (D:15)
  An ugly thing (IceCv)
  An orb spider (Spider:1)
  2 wolf spiders
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:2)
  A manticore (Shoals:3)
  A water nymph (Shoals:3)
  A gargoyle (D:15)
  A troll (Orc:2)
  4 merfolk (Shoals:3)
  A redback (Spider:4)
  A basilisk (D:15)
  Duvessa (D:7)
  An orc warrior (D:7)
  A centaur (Shoals:3)
  3 ogres (D:15)
  Dowan (D:7)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:7)
39 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A jumping spider (Spider:2)
  An orc (D:4)
  14 fungi (D:9)
  10 plants
  4 tentacles (Shoals:3)
30 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1089 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Jabbatz the Minotaur Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   104 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 21/27 MP: 1/1
   209 | D:1      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
   555 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
   792 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/33 MP: 2/2
   854 | D:2      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  1126 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1133 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/40 MP: 3/3
  1135 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  1552 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  1552 | D:3      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  1554 | D:3      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1554 | D:3      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1558 | D:3      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  1783 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2034 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 34/47 MP: 4/4
  2196 | D:4      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  2883 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3032 | D:5      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/55 MP: 5/5
  3055 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  3159 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  3291 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/61 MP: 6/6
  3548 | D:5      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  3938 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  4059 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  4209 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 70/70 MP: 7/7
  4313 | D:6      | Noticed Grinder
  4326 | D:6      | Killed Grinder
  4326 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  4370 | D:6      | Received a gift from Trog
  5047 | D:7      | Found a runed door.
  5049 | D:7      | Noticed a sixfirhy
  5140 | D:7      | Got a translucent short sword
  5190 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 58/79 MP: 8/8
  5276 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  5278 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  5285 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  5295 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  5324 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5336 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5832 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  5885 | D:7      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  6423 | D:8      | Noticed Ticubbie's ghost (novice SpEn)
  6460 | D:8      | Killed Ticubbie's ghost
  6603 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 86/90 MP: 9/9
  6608 | D:8      | Received a gift from Trog
  6864 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  6875 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
  6991 | D:9      | Identified the +10 short sword of Winter {pierce, rF+ MR+ Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  7075 | D:9      | Noticed Erolcha
  7083 | D:9      | Killed Erolcha
  7395 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  7418 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  7744 | D:9      | Noticed Grum
  7950 | D:9      | Got a wavering bone ring
  8011 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8129 | D:9      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  8134 | D:9      | Killed Grum
  8429 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8438 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 83/99 MP: 10/10
  8727 | D:10     | Found Xisky's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of noise for 14 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8755 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Ykhil {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-} (You took it off an orc warrior on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  8810 | D:10     | Noticed a white ugly thing
  8938 | D:9      | Killed a white ugly thing
  9072 | D:10     | Noticed Harold
  9080 | D:10     | Killed Harold
  9080 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  9080 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  9297 | D:10     | Noticed an orc knight
  9364 | D:10     | Killed an orc knight
  9630 | D:10     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
  9630 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9940 | D:11     | Noticed Snorg
  9957 | D:11     | Killed Snorg
  9957 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 10074 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 10315 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10324 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10332 | D:11     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 10434 | D:11     | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 10446 | D:11     | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 10446 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 10667 | D:11     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 10703 | D:11     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 10839 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 10895 | D:12     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 10915 | D:11     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 11169 | D:12     | Noticed a deep troll
 11174 | D:12     | Killed a deep troll
 11174 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 11174 | D:12     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 110/110 MP: 11/11
 11859 | D:12     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns
 12077 | D:12     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 12081 | D:12     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 2 turns
 12087 | D:12     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 13182 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13864 | Lair:2   | Noticed Urug
 13883 | Lair:2   | Killed Urug
 13938 | Lair:2   | Noticed Nergalle
 13960 | Lair:2   | Killed Nergalle
 14063 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 14173 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 118/118 MP: 4/12
 14342 | Lair:2   | Noticed Fannar
 14371 | Lair:2   | Killed Fannar
 15247 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 16120 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 16629 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 16738 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 17260 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 17765 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 108/129 MP: 4/13
 18419 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 18443 | Orc:1    | Found a frozen archway.
 18480 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 18481 | IceCv    | Found a transporter.
 18546 | IceCv    | Identified the Almanac of Conjuration
 19035 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 19078 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 19133 | Orc:2    | Noticed Rupert
 19158 | Orc:2    | Killed Rupert
 19372 | Orc:2    | Found Wowac's Distillery.
 19405 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of degeneration for 14 gold pieces
 19419 | Orc:2    | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 19442 | Orc:2    | Found Goucen's Book Shoppe.
 19454 | Orc:2    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 19557 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 19562 | Orc:2    | Found Irioka Diuc's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 19577 | Orc:2    | Found Giunlyom's Gadget Emporium.
 19710 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 19860 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 19861 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20081 | Orc:2    | Found Goucen's Book Shoppe.
 20087 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 20087 | Orc:2    | Found Irioka Diuc's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 20094 | Orc:2    | Found Giunlyom's Gadget Emporium.
 20096 | Orc:2    | Bought an ichor-stained morningstar for 171 gold pieces
 20096 | Orc:2    | Identified the +10 morningstar of Battle {freeze, +Inv MR- Str+4 Int+8} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 20137 | Orc:2    | Found Wowac's Distillery.
 20191 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 20192 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20280 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 20281 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20941 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
 20948 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 21152 | D:14     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 21211 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 21422 | D:14     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 91/138 MP: 5/16
 21972 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
 22055 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 22114 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 22116 | D:15     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 22254 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 22255 | D:15     | Noticed a fire giant
 22759 | D:15     | Killed a fire giant
 23366 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 23376 | Spider:1 | Noticed Louise
 23519 | Spider:1 | Killed Louise
 23864 | Spider:1 | Noticed Josephine
 23868 | Spider:1 | Killed Josephine
 23868 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 24175 | Spider:1 | Noticed Roxanne
 24524 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 24609 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 125/147 MP: 19/19
 25084 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 25084 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails
 25477 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 25867 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 26408 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 26986 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Shields
 27205 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 27222 | Spider:4 | Noticed Mara
 27275 | Spider:4 | Noticed Jabbatz's illusion
 27281 | Spider:4 | Killed Mara
 27376 | Spider:4 | Noticed Arachne
 27395 | Spider:4 | Killed Arachne
 27770 | Spider:4 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 156/157 MP: 20/20
 28010 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 28395 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 28866 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 28922 | Shoals:1 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar.
 28946 | Bazaar   | Entered a bazaar
 28960 | Bazaar   | Found Aliboig's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 28982 | Bazaar   | Found Wepsam's Weapon Emporium.
 29004 | Bazaar   | Found Lits's Gadget Emporium.
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 36 gold pieces
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 90 gold pieces
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 90 gold pieces
 29885 | Shoals:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 30106 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 31243 | Shoals:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 31484 | Shoals:3 | Noticed a kraken
 31776 | Shoals:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Shoals
 32180 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 145/168 MP: 22/22
 32199 | Shoals:4 | Identified the +0 buckler "Udoutora" {rF+ rN+ Int-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)
 32455 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 32480 | Shoals:4 | Killed Ilsuiw
 33342 | Shoals:4 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------+-----
Shields        |     1     2     3  4  6  7  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 | 16.6
Fighting       |     4           5  6  7  8  9 11 12 13 14    15 16 | 16.9
Maces & Flails |     4           5  6  7  8  9 11 12 13 14    15 16 | 16.4
Armour         |        3     4     5  6  8  9 10 11 13 14    15 16 | 16.8
Dodging        |           3     4  5  6  7  8 10 11 12 13    14 15 | 15.6
Throwing       |                                         3  6       |  6.8
Evocations     |                                         3  6     7 |  7.9

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Mace              |    85 |    91 |       |       |       |       ||   176
       Headbutt          |     7 |    26 |    31 |   252 |   345 |   335 ||   996
       Club              |       |    65 |   233 |   742 |       |       ||  1040
       Dire flail        |       |       |       |    89 |       |       ||    89
       War axe           |       |       |       |     6 |       |       ||     6
       Morningstar       |       |       |       |    19 |  1183 |  1118 ||  2320
       Short sword       |       |       |       |       |    22 |       ||    22
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     1 |     1 |    10 |     5 |       ||    18
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |     1 |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     4
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |     1 |     4 |     9 |    10 ||    24
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 |     2 |    15 |    10 |    18 ||    55
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     1 |     3 |    10 ||    15
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     1 |     4 ||     5
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     9 |     7 |    24 |    24 |    17 ||    82
       Ration            |       |       |     2 |     5 |     5 |     6 ||    18
Armor: Chain mail        |    75 |    32 |       |       |       |       ||   107
       Plate armour      |       |    98 |   136 |   313 |   408 |   481 ||  1436
Dodge: Dodged            |    52 |    69 |    94 |   270 |   330 |   563 ||  1378
Block: Large shield      |       |       |       |   296 |  1105 |  1045 ||  2446
       Buckler           |       |       |       |       |       |   139 ||   139

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Post Monday, 24th September 2018, 23:29

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Vaults.

That short sword isn't really good. It's bad at this stage of the game. You can drop it, along with the morningstar of holy wrath and the morningstar you're currently wielding.

Wield the demon whip of freezing and use your enchant weapon scrolls on it. It does more damage than any of the other weapons in your inventory. The antimagic morningstar might be worth holding on to for monsters with particularly nasty spells, but the rest of those weapons are obsolete.

You have a ton of Shields skill but you're wearing a buckler. Find and wear a regular shield. You can use ctrl+f to search the dungeon for items.

Training multiple weapon skills is never a good idea. You can only attack with one weapon at a time.

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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 00:05

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

I would 100% agree with the above advice, but only to Vault 4. Vault 5 is very, very hard. Once you finish Vaults 1-4 post another dump.

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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 04:31

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

You're worshipping Trog... I would use the antimagic Morningstar and the current +10 one you have to clear elves. The antimagic can make a lot of the elves very weak opponents. Use Trog's abilities to boost MR so you don't get banished and since you'll be killing mostly all magic-users you'll get a ton of piety. See if Trog will gift you a useful weapon and examine all weapons from elf2 and the loot from elf3 before you spend your enchant weapon scrolls on the demon whip. Ideally you'd like to use them on an eveningstar. You have a pretty ok chance of finding one in the hall of blades on elf2. If you find a good broadaxe, it's okay to cross-train axes with maces where you use maces in corridors and axes when you get surrounded. I'd probably rather spend the enchant scrolls on a good broad axe over the demon whip also because cleaving just outperforms in general for so many situations. You can only use one weapon at a time, but you can swap weapons between and even during fights to gain tactical advantages. I wouldn't recommend tossing the buckler aside so easily for an unbranded medium shield since it has resists on it and may allow more flexibility in other equipment slots to keep at least rF+, rC+, rN+, rElec, and MR++ or also with rPois and MR+++ more ideally.
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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 05:49

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

I would keep the morningstar of Battle in inventory just for the evokable invisibility. It can be very handy in some situations (e.g. ghost moths, draconian packs), if you can spare the inventory slot for it.
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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 15:43

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

svendre wrote:Ideally you'd like to use them on an eveningstar. You have a pretty ok chance of finding one in the hall of blades on elf2.

I wouldn't take a MiBe without a killer ranged attack into the hall of blades, you'll wind up in melee with a bardiche of distortion or something. Especially not on the off chance of finding something better than a +2 demon whip of freezing.

I'd enchant the dwhip now, gaining guaranteed power now is generally better than maybe gaining more power later.
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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 16:28

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

You have a ton of Shields skill but you're wearing a buckler. Find and wear a regular shield. You can use ctrl+f to search the dungeon for items.


So the only things in the dungeon have been bucklers and large shields. No regular shields anywhere. I was building shield skill to try to get to large shield viable but haven't gotten there yet.

I think I'll try Vaults and see what happens.

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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 18:02

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

njvack wrote:I'd enchant the dwhip now, gaining guaranteed power now is generally better than maybe gaining more power later.

Additionally, I'm not sure that an eveningstar is better than a demon whip.

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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 22:02

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

njvack wrote:
svendre wrote:Ideally you'd like to use them on an eveningstar. You have a pretty ok chance of finding one in the hall of blades on elf2.

I wouldn't take a MiBe without a killer ranged attack into the hall of blades, you'll wind up in melee with a bardiche of distortion or something. Especially not on the off chance of finding something better than a +2 demon whip of freezing.

I'd enchant the dwhip now, gaining guaranteed power now is generally better than maybe gaining more power later.


They have a weapon with invisibility. Enchanted flying weapons in the hall of blades cannot see invisible, so it is easy.

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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 22:19

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Went to Elf instead, cleared first floor pretty easily. Trog gave me a couple of weapons:

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 x - a +6 demon whip of draining (weapon)
 T - the +2 great mace "Unig" {flame, *Noise +Fly rElec Str-5}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 1 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents.
   
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you fly.
   It may make noises in combat.


I started using the new demon whip as my primary, but the Great Mace is pretty bad, right?

Thanks for all your help.

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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 23:06

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Magipi wrote:
njvack wrote:I'd enchant the dwhip now, gaining guaranteed power now is generally better than maybe gaining more power later.

Additionally, I'm not sure that an eveningstar is better than a demon whip.

They're mostly equal as base types, some opponents and brands slightly favor the demon whip, and some favor the eveningstar, on the whole though they're pretty close to equal (although you can spend less XP on a demon whip to get to min delay, a demon whip at min delay (12 M&F skill) is better than an eveningstar at 12 skill, but it's pretty rare that you'll find one in time to avoid overspending XP on the M&F category). Once you've gotten to min delay for an eveningstar, they're approximately equivalent.
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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 23:09

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

real dwhip > theoretical eveningstar, especially on a character with horns

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Post Tuesday, 25th September 2018, 23:12

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

duvessa wrote:real dwhip > theoretical eveningstar, especially on a character with horns

That can probably be generalized to "real weapon" > "theoretical weapon"
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Post Monday, 1st October 2018, 18:41

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Cleared Elven Halls, except for the Hall of Blades. Wondering if I should chance it with my invisibility morningstar or just head for Vaults. Thoughts?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

Jabbatz the Warrior (Minotaur Berserker)           Turns: 38881, Time: 07:59:03

Health: 179/179    AC: 38    Str: 27    XL:     19   Next: 49%
Magic:  25/25      EV: 16    Int:  5    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   3547       SH: 16    Dex: 19    Spells: 18/18 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   x - +6 demon whip (drain)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   e - +0 shield {reflect}
rNeg     + + .     Faith    .   S - +1 crystal plate armour
rPois    +         Spirit   .   V - +1 hat
rElec    .         Reflect  +   C - +1 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   J - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +++..                  g - +5 pair of boots "Dipp" {+Fly Str+3}
Stlth    ..........             D - amulet of regeneration
HPRegen  0.79/turn              k - ring of Ykhil {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-}
MPRegen  0.19/turn              F - +4 ring of dexterity

@: studying Dodging
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Flight


You are on level 3 of the Elven Halls.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are hungry.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 35 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 4046 gold pieces.
You have spent 499 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 h - the +10 morningstar of Battle {freeze, +Inv MR- Str+4 Int+8}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+8).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 x - a +6 demon whip of draining (weapon)
 R - a +2 long sword of distortion
 Z - a +6 antimagic morningstar
Missiles
 r - 5 tomahawks of returning (quivered)
Armour
 e - a +0 shield of reflection (worn)
 g - the +5 pair of boots "Dipp" (worn) {+Fly Str+3}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It lets you fly.
 C - a +1 cloak (worn)
 J - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 S - a +1 crystal plate armour (worn)
 V - a +1 hat (worn)
Jewellery
 a - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 j - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 k - the ring of Ykhil (left hand) {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-}
   (You took it off an orc warrior on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of loudness]
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 n - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion
 v - a +3 ring of protection
 D - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 F - a +4 ring of dexterity (right hand)
 G - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 L - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
Wands
 t - a wand of iceblast (41)
 y - a wand of flame (81)
 E - a wand of clouds (5)
 K - a wand of polymorph (21)
 N - a wand of acid (17)
 Q - a wand of enslavement (20)
 U - a wand of digging (17)
 W - a wand of disintegration (9)
 X - a wand of paralysis (62)
Scrolls
 b - 7 scrolls of enchant armour
 i - 9 scrolls of identify
 l - 3 scrolls of fog
 m - 5 scrolls of fear
 p - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 u - 4 scrolls of enchant weapon
 z - 16 scrolls of remove curse
 A - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 T - a scroll of brand weapon
Potions
 d - 3 potions of cancellation
 f - 7 potions of haste
 o - 10 potions of curing
 q - 9 potions of might
 s - 4 potions of agility
 B - 2 potions of magic
 H - 5 potions of brilliance
 I - 10 potions of flight
Books
 M - a manual of Dodging
Miscellaneous
 w - a box of beasts
 O - a lamp of fire
Comestibles
 c - 37 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 18.0 Fighting
 - Level 16.4 Maces & Flails
 + Level 7.9 Throwing
 + Level 17.9 Armour
 + Level 16.7 Dodging
 - Level 17.3 Shields
 + Level 9.7 Evocations


You have 18 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:3       Spider (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:10            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:14
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:10 ?   Orc:2 %(!}:   Elf:1 (

Annotations:
D:15 1 exclusion
Spider:1 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne
Spider:2 exclusion: 2 oklob plants
Elf:2 3 runed doors, 1 exclusion
Elf:3 1 exclusion


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

Found a stone staircase leading up.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Search for what [? for help]? elf:3
Search for what [Enter for "elf:3", or ? for help]?
Search for what [Enter for "elf:3", or ? for help]? ring
Saving game... please wait.
Level annotation: 1 exclusion
Welcome back, Jabbatz the Minotaur Berserker.
Trog says: Kill them all!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Search for what [? for help]?
Okay, then.
Search for what [? for help]? elf:3
Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands.
Returning to the game...
Unknown command.
Char dumped to 'morgue/Jabbatz.txt'.
Search for what [Enter for "elf:3", or ? for help]?
Search for what [Enter for "elf:3", or ? for help]?
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Mara (Spider:4)
  Arachne (Spider:4)
  A deep elf master archer (Elf:3)
  Donald (Elf:3)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:4)
  A fire giant (D:15)
  A frost giant (Shoals:4)
  4 ghost moths
  10 deep elf sorcerers (Elf:3)
  7 emperor scorpions
  A deep elf elementalist (Elf:3)
  5 deep elf annihilators
  2 deep elf demonologists (Elf:3)
  5 entropy weavers
  A dire elephant (Lair:6)
  Snorg (D:11)
  12 merfolk impalers
  3 merfolk javelineers
  A deep elf death mage (Elf:3)
  A fire dragon (D:15)
  4 deep elf high priests (Elf:3)
  Josephine (Spider:1)
  An ogre mage (Orc:2)
  Fannar (Lair:2)
  Erolcha (D:9)
  7 hydras
  An ice dragon (Lair:4)
  2 merfolk avatars
  A centaur warrior (D:14)
  3 merfolk aquamancers (Shoals:4)
  An alligator snapping turtle (Shoals:4)
  A catoblepas (D:14)
  14 dancing weapons
  A deep troll shaman (Lair:6)
  9 two-headed ogres
  6 death yaks (Lair:5)
  Urug (Lair:2)
  Nergalle (Lair:2)
  18 deep elf knights
  10 sea snakes
  A sixfirhy (D:7)
  3 skeletal warriors (D:14)
  6 unseen horrors
  2 wizards (Elf:1)
  A deep troll (shapeshifter) (D:12)
  10 deep elf archers
  26 harpies
  5 orc knights
  43 deep elf magi
  22 orb spiders
  13 ugly things
  The ghost of Ticubbie the Covert, a novice SpEn of Makhleb (D:8)
  11 orc sorcerers
  5 cyclopes
  9 fauns
  17 manticores
  24 wolf spiders
  14 elephants
  3 moths of wrath
  15 merfolk sirens
  4 black mambas
  2 centaur zombies
  8 water nymphs
  A torpor snail (Spider:2)
  2 ice statues (IceCv)
  2 gargoyles
  7 spiny frogs
  Psyche (D:8)
  A rime drake (Lair:4)
  5 komodo dragons
  2 efreet
  A yaktaur (Shoals:2)
  10 demonic crawlers
  37 jumping spiders
  2 polar bears
  21 merfolk
  10 snapping turtles
  3 hornets
  3 wind drakes (Shoals:4)
  9 slime creatures
  3 trolls
  Grinder (D:6)
  6 blink frogs
  12 hippogriffs
  A meliai zombie (D:14)
  3 dream sheep (Shoals:2)
  5 water elementals
  77 redbacks
  3 air elementals (Elf:2)
  22 yaks
  4 wraiths
  3 fire elementals
  A basilisk (Lair:2)
  23 tarantellas
  Grum (D:9)
  2 humans (Shoals:1)
  3 hungry ghosts
  3 wyverns
  2 vampire mosquitoes (D:15)
  An acid dragon (D:11)
  2 wargs
  2 soldier ants (D:8)
  15 water moccasins
  2 floating eyes (D:12)
  18 orc warriors
  7 porcupines
  10 ice beasts
  3 phantoms
  3 black bears
  4 sky beasts
  15 ogres
  A boggart (Elf:1)
  7 wolves
  9 centaurs
  10 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  15 bullfrogs
  2 earth elementals (Elf:1)
  3 scorpions
  14 wights
  9 electric eels
  2 howler monkeys (D:7)
  10 crimson imps
  5 hounds
  16 orc priests
  A jelly (D:9)
  A quasit (D:5)
  3 centaur skeletons
  30 orc wizards
  A gnoll shaman (D:9)
  An iguana (D:5)
  13 worker ants
  A hound zombie (D:8)
  3 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:10)
  Robin (D:2)
  13 adders
  2 howler monkey skeletons
  7 gnolls
  2 shadow imps
  3 white imps (Lair:4)
  An ooze (D:1)
  2 adder skeletons
  3 worms
  2 dart slugs
  9 leopard geckos
  95 orcs
  6 bats
  2 giant cockroaches (D:3)
  5 hobgoblins
  16 jackals
  19 kobolds
  4 quokkas
  4 frilled lizards
  13 goblins
  2 goblin zombies (D:8)
  A leopard gecko skeleton (D:7)
  3 rats
  A bush (Shoals:2)
  2 crawling corpses (Elf:3)
1142 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Nikola (Elf:3)
  Rupert (Orc:2)
  A deep elf blademaster (Elf:3)
  3 deep elf sorcerers (Elf:3)
  Louise (Spider:1)
  A deep elf annihilator (Elf:3)
  2 deep elf death magi (Elf:3)
  3 deep elf high priests (Elf:3)
  A hydra (D:11)
  Harold (D:10)
  A merfolk avatar (Shoals:3)
  A catoblepas (Lair:6)
  3 ogre magi
  4 death yaks (Lair:6)
  3 two-headed ogres (D:15)
  A deep elf archer (Elf:3)
  An ugly thing (IceCv)
  3 deep elf magi
  An orb spider (Spider:1)
  2 wolf spiders
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:2)
  A manticore (Shoals:3)
  A water nymph (Shoals:3)
  A gargoyle (D:15)
  A troll (Orc:2)
  4 merfolk (Shoals:3)
  A redback (Spider:4)
  A basilisk (D:15)
  Duvessa (D:7)
  An orc warrior (D:7)
  A centaur (Shoals:3)
  3 ogres (D:15)
  Dowan (D:7)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:7)
54 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  2 deep elf archers (Elf:3)
  2 deep elf magi
  A jumping spider (Spider:2)
  An orc (D:4)
  14 fungi (D:9)
  10 plants
  4 tentacles (Shoals:3)
34 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1230 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Jabbatz the Minotaur Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   104 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 21/27 MP: 1/1
   209 | D:1      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
   555 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
   765 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
   792 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/33 MP: 2/2
   854 | D:2      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  1126 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1133 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/40 MP: 3/3
  1135 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  1552 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  1552 | D:3      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  1554 | D:3      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1554 | D:3      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1558 | D:3      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  1783 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2034 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 34/47 MP: 4/4
  2196 | D:4      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  2883 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3032 | D:5      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/55 MP: 5/5
  3055 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  3159 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  3291 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/61 MP: 6/6
  3548 | D:5      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  3938 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  4035 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  4059 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  4209 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 70/70 MP: 7/7
  4313 | D:6      | Noticed Grinder
  4326 | D:6      | Killed Grinder
  4326 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  4370 | D:6      | Received a gift from Trog
  5047 | D:7      | Found a runed door.
  5049 | D:7      | Noticed a sixfirhy
  5107 | D:7      | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  5140 | D:7      | Got a translucent short sword
  5190 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 58/79 MP: 8/8
  5276 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  5278 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  5285 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  5295 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  5324 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5336 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5832 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  5885 | D:7      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  5885 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
  6423 | D:8      | Noticed Ticubbie's ghost (novice SpEn)
  6460 | D:8      | Killed Ticubbie's ghost
  6603 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 86/90 MP: 9/9
  6608 | D:8      | Received a gift from Trog
  6864 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  6875 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
  6991 | D:9      | Identified the +10 short sword of Winter {pierce, rF+ MR+ Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  7075 | D:9      | Noticed Erolcha
  7083 | D:9      | Killed Erolcha
  7083 | D:9      | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
  7395 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  7418 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  7744 | D:9      | Noticed Grum
  7950 | D:9      | Got a wavering bone ring
  8011 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8129 | D:9      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  8134 | D:9      | Killed Grum
  8429 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8438 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 83/99 MP: 10/10
  8727 | D:10     | Found Xisky's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of noise for 14 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8755 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Ykhil {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-} (You took it off an orc warrior on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  8810 | D:10     | Noticed a white ugly thing
  8938 | D:9      | Killed a white ugly thing
  9072 | D:10     | Noticed Harold
  9080 | D:10     | Killed Harold
  9080 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  9080 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  9297 | D:10     | Noticed an orc knight
  9364 | D:10     | Killed an orc knight
  9630 | D:10     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
  9630 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9940 | D:11     | Noticed Snorg
  9957 | D:11     | Killed Snorg
  9957 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 10074 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 10315 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10324 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10332 | D:11     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 10434 | D:11     | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 10446 | D:11     | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 10446 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 10667 | D:11     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 10703 | D:11     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 10839 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 10895 | D:12     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 10915 | D:11     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 10915 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
 11169 | D:12     | Noticed a deep troll
 11174 | D:12     | Killed a deep troll
 11174 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 11174 | D:12     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 110/110 MP: 11/11
 11859 | D:12     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns
 12077 | D:12     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 12081 | D:12     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 2 turns
 12087 | D:12     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 13182 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13864 | Lair:2   | Noticed Urug
 13883 | Lair:2   | Killed Urug
 13883 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 13938 | Lair:2   | Noticed Nergalle
 13960 | Lair:2   | Killed Nergalle
 14063 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 14173 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 118/118 MP: 4/12
 14342 | Lair:2   | Noticed Fannar
 14371 | Lair:2   | Killed Fannar
 15247 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 16120 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 16629 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 16738 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 16738 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting
 17260 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 17765 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 108/129 MP: 4/13
 18419 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 18443 | Orc:1    | Found a frozen archway.
 18480 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 18481 | IceCv    | Found a transporter.
 18546 | IceCv    | Identified the Almanac of Conjuration
 19035 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 19078 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 19133 | Orc:2    | Noticed Rupert
 19158 | Orc:2    | Killed Rupert
 19372 | Orc:2    | Found Wowac's Distillery.
 19405 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of degeneration for 14 gold pieces
 19419 | Orc:2    | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 19442 | Orc:2    | Found Goucen's Book Shoppe.
 19454 | Orc:2    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 19557 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 19562 | Orc:2    | Found Irioka Diuc's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 19577 | Orc:2    | Found Giunlyom's Gadget Emporium.
 19583 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting
 19710 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 19860 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 19861 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20081 | Orc:2    | Found Goucen's Book Shoppe.
 20087 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 20087 | Orc:2    | Found Irioka Diuc's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 20094 | Orc:2    | Found Giunlyom's Gadget Emporium.
 20096 | Orc:2    | Bought an ichor-stained morningstar for 171 gold pieces
 20096 | Orc:2    | Identified the +10 morningstar of Battle {freeze, +Inv MR- Str+4 Int+8} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 20137 | Orc:2    | Found Wowac's Distillery.
 20191 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 20192 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20280 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 20281 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20941 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
 20948 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 21152 | D:14     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 21211 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 21422 | D:14     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 91/138 MP: 5/16
 21972 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
 22055 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 22114 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 22116 | D:15     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 22254 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 22255 | D:15     | Noticed a fire giant
 22759 | D:15     | Killed a fire giant
 23366 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 23376 | Spider:1 | Noticed Louise
 23519 | Spider:1 | Killed Louise
 23864 | Spider:1 | Noticed Josephine
 23868 | Spider:1 | Killed Josephine
 23868 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 24175 | Spider:1 | Noticed Roxanne
 24524 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 24609 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 125/147 MP: 19/19
 25084 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 25084 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails
 25477 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 25867 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 26408 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 26986 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Shields
 27205 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 27222 | Spider:4 | Noticed Mara
 27275 | Spider:4 | Noticed Jabbatz's illusion
 27281 | Spider:4 | Killed Mara
 27376 | Spider:4 | Noticed Arachne
 27395 | Spider:4 | Killed Arachne
 27770 | Spider:4 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 156/157 MP: 20/20
 28010 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 28395 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 28866 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 28922 | Shoals:1 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar.
 28928 | Shoals:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
 28946 | Bazaar   | Entered a bazaar
 28960 | Bazaar   | Found Aliboig's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 28982 | Bazaar   | Found Wepsam's Weapon Emporium.
 29004 | Bazaar   | Found Lits's Gadget Emporium.
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 36 gold pieces
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 90 gold pieces
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 90 gold pieces
 29885 | Shoals:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 30106 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 31243 | Shoals:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 31484 | Shoals:3 | Noticed a kraken
 31776 | Shoals:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Shoals
 32180 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 145/168 MP: 22/22
 32199 | Shoals:4 | Identified the +0 buckler "Udoutora" {rF+ rN+ Int-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)
 32455 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 32480 | Shoals:4 | Killed Ilsuiw
 33342 | Shoals:4 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 34012 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 34027 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 34027 | Elf:1    | Reached skill level 17 in Fighting
 35006 | Elf:1    | Got a heavily runed helmet
 35034 | Elf:1    | Found Uptouw's Weapon Shoppe.
 35526 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 35578 | Elf:1    | Got a polished great mace {god gift}
 35584 | Elf:1    | Identified the +2 great mace "Unig" {flame, *Noise +Fly rElec Str-5} (Trog gifted it to you on level 1 of the Elven Halls)
 36265 | Elf:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 36440 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 36440 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 36450 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 36668 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
 36688 | Elf:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 36710 | Elf:3    | Noticed Donald
 36774 | Elf:3    | Killed Donald
 36929 | Elf:3    | Reached XP level 19. HP: 177/177 MP: 24/24
 37152 | Elf:3    | Noticed Nikola
 37175 | Elf:3    | Killed Nikola
 38035 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 18 in Fighting
 38286 | Elf:3    | Got a shimmering flail {crush}
 38301 | Elf:3    | Identified the +5 flail "Atozxeak" {crush, Fragile +Rage +Inv rF++} (You took it off a deep elf high priest on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 38381 | Elf:3    | Got a pair of ancient boots
 38387 | Elf:3    | Identified the +5 pair of boots "Dipp" {+Fly Str+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 38727 | Elf:3    | Got a twisted great sword {drain}
 38833 | Elf:3    | Identified the +6 great sword of Chaos {drain, Str+4} (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------+-----
Shields        |     1     2     3  4  6  7  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17    | 17.3
Fighting       |     4           5  6  7  8  9 11 12 13 14    15 16 17 18 | 18.0
Maces & Flails |     4           5  6  7  8  9 11 12 13 14    15 16       | 16.4
Armour         |        3     4     5  6  8  9 10 11 13 14    15 16 17    | 17.9
Dodging        |           3     4  5  6  7  8 10 11 12 13    14 15 16    | 16.7
Throwing       |                                         3  6           7 |  7.9
Evocations     |                                         3  6     7  9    |  9.7

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Mace              |    85 |    91 |       |       |       |       |       ||   176
       Headbutt          |     7 |    26 |    31 |   252 |   345 |   457 |    40 ||  1158
       Club              |       |    65 |   233 |   742 |       |       |       ||  1040
       Dire flail        |       |       |       |    89 |       |       |       ||    89
       War axe           |       |       |       |     6 |       |       |       ||     6
       Morningstar       |       |       |       |    19 |  1183 |  1118 |       ||  2320
       Short sword       |       |       |       |       |    22 |       |       ||    22
       Demon whip        |       |       |       |       |       |   457 |   153 ||   610
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     1 |     1 |    10 |     5 |       |       ||    18
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |     1 |       |       |     2 |     1 |     3 ||     7
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |     1 |     4 |     9 |    12 |     4 ||    30
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |       |       |       |     7 |     4 ||    11
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 |     2 |    15 |    10 |    19 |     3 ||    59
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     1 |     3 |    12 |     3 ||    20
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     1 |     4 |       ||     5
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     9 |     7 |    24 |    24 |    25 |     2 ||    92
       Ration            |       |       |     2 |     5 |     5 |     7 |     2 ||    21
Armor: Chain mail        |    75 |    32 |       |       |       |       |       ||   107
       Plate armour      |       |    98 |   136 |   313 |   408 |   616 |    24 ||  1595
       Crystal plate arm |       |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
Dodge: Dodged            |    52 |    69 |    94 |   270 |   330 |   735 |    26 ||  1576
Block: Large shield      |       |       |       |   296 |  1105 |  1045 |       ||  2446
       Buckler           |       |       |       |       |       |   199 |       ||   199
       Shield            |       |       |       |       |       |    13 |    57 ||    70
       Reflection        |       |       |       |       |       |     4 |     4 ||     8



Blades Runner

Posts: 616

Joined: Thursday, 25th October 2012, 03:19

Post Monday, 1st October 2018, 20:41

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Cleared Elven Halls, except for the Hall of Blades. Wondering if I should chance it with my invisibility morningstar or just head for Vaults. Thoughts?


Go for it! If you're worried, just take it more slowly. Pull stuff back to the doors to an extent, because the flying weapons can't open doors and some of them are polearms that will let you easily slam the door on them. Save invisibility for distortion, vampiric or generally other nasty ones if you can. It really doesn't matter, you should be just fine with those stats so long as you don't go in pulling the entire vault at once. A teleport scroll is likely to save you if things go badly. Don't stress, you'll be okay.

The reason I prefer an eveningstar to a demonwhip is not major. The brands matter more overall. What I will say is that I generally prefer a weapon with a higher base for the reason that they can more easily pierce through a more heavily armoured target. At high skill levels, the eveningstar will also do just fine splatting a lightly armoured, evasive target because the bonuses from weapon and fighting to accuracy are large, plus it is still a one-handed weapon. It's true they are harder to find, but I find them all the time in hall of blades.

Temple Termagant

Posts: 12

Joined: Wednesday, 18th July 2018, 19:34

Post Tuesday, 9th October 2018, 19:58

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

I was able to clear Vaults:1-4 and Depths:1-5. I used Brothers in Arms quite a bit to help when things got crazy and I think it was helpful.

Some questions:

1. What branch should I go to next? I am thinking either Vaults:5 or Slime.

2. Which of these rings should I use? Currently using Ykhil and a Dex+4 ring.

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b - the ring "Pyamno" {+Blink rF++ Dex+3 Slay-4 Stlth+}
   (You took it off a spriggan rider on level 4 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (-4).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It lets you blink.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 j - the ring "Wecim" {Fire rPois Slay+3 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of fire]
   
   It enhances your fire magic.
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 k - the ring of Ykhil (left hand) {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-}
   (You took it off an orc warrior on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of loudness]
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you less stealthy.



Character Dump is Below.


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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

Jabbatz the Slayer (Minotaur Berserker)            Turns: 56458, Time: 12:12:46

Health: 233/233    AC: 40    Str: 32    XL:     24   Next: 27%
Magic:  31/31      EV: 22    Int:  6    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   4874       SH: 18    Dex: 20    Spells: 23/23 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis .   x - +8 demon whip (drain)
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   e - +1 shield {reflect}
rNeg     + + .     Faith    .   v - +1 gold dragon scales
rPois    +         Spirit   .   V - +1 hat
rElec    .         Reflect  +   a - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   M - +1 pair of gloves {Str+3}
MR       +++..                  g - +5 pair of boots "Dipp" {+Fly Str+3}
Stlth    ..........             D - amulet of regeneration
HPRegen  0.88/turn              k - ring of Ykhil {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-}
MPRegen  0.22/turn              F - +4 ring of dexterity

@: no status effects
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Flight


You are on level 2 of the Depths.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 44 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 5373 gold pieces.
You have spent 499 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 h - the +10 morningstar of Battle {freeze, +Inv MR- Str+4 Int+8}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+8).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 x - a +8 demon whip of draining (weapon)
 Y - the +9 mace of Jinyziwa {flame, rC++ Str+2}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents.
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 Z - a +6 antimagic morningstar
Missiles
 r - 7 tomahawks of returning (quivered)
Armour
 a - a +2 cloak (worn)
 e - a +1 shield of reflection (worn)
 g - the +5 pair of boots "Dipp" (worn) {+Fly Str+3}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It lets you fly.
 v - +1 gold dragon scales (worn)
 E - the +3 faerie dragon scales {rN+ rCorr Dex+4 Slay+6}
   (You took it off the Enchantress on level 4 of the Depths)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+6).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 M - a +1 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 V - a +1 hat (worn)
Jewellery
 b - the ring "Pyamno" {+Blink rF++ Dex+3 Slay-4 Stlth+}
   (You took it off a spriggan rider on level 4 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (-4).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It lets you blink.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 j - the ring "Wecim" {Fire rPois Slay+3 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of fire]
   
   It enhances your fire magic.
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 k - the ring of Ykhil (left hand) {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-}
   (You took it off an orc warrior on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of loudness]
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 n - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion
 D - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 F - a +4 ring of dexterity (right hand)
 L - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
Wands
 t - a wand of iceblast (48)
 u - a wand of scattershot (5)
 y - a wand of flame (118)
 K - a wand of polymorph (45)
 N - a wand of acid (38)
 Q - a wand of enslavement (28)
 U - a wand of digging (36)
 W - a wand of disintegration (9)
 X - a wand of paralysis (75)
Scrolls
 i - 4 scrolls of identify
 l - 7 scrolls of fog
 m - 6 scrolls of fear
 p - 6 scrolls of teleportation
 z - 20 scrolls of remove curse
 A - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 J - a scroll of summoning
 O - 3 scrolls of blinking
 S - a scroll of holy word
Potions
 d - 4 potions of cancellation
 f - 8 potions of haste
 o - 13 potions of curing
 q - 9 potions of might
 s - 7 potions of agility
 B - 2 potions of magic
 H - 7 potions of brilliance
 I - 11 potions of flight
 R - a potion of invisibility
 T - 3 potions of heal wounds
Miscellaneous
 w - 3 boxes of beasts
 P - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 c - 52 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 22.7 Fighting
 + Level 18.4 Maces & Flails
 - Level 12.6 Throwing
 + Level 22.6 Armour
 + Level 22.4 Dodging
 - Level 17.3 Shields
 + Level 12.0 Evocations


You have 23 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:3       Spider (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:10            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:14
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (5/5) D:15            Zot (0/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:10 ?   Orc:2 %(!}:   Elf:1 (   Vaults:3 (   Depths:3 }

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:4 Depths:5
Pandemonium: Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:4
Trove: Depths:4 (give 22 scrolls of identify)

Annotations:
D:15 1 exclusion
Spider:1 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne
Spider:2 exclusion: 2 oklob plants
Elf:3 1 exclusion


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You see here the ring "Wecim" {Fire rPois Slay+3 Stlth+}.
j - the ring "Wecim" {Fire rPois Slay+3 Stlth+}
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
You start removing your armour.
You continue taking off your +0 plate armour of poison resistance. x4
You finish taking off your +0 plate armour of poison resistance.
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on your +1 gold dragon scales. x5
You finish putting on your +1 gold dragon scales.
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on your +1 shield of reflection. x4
You finish putting on your +1 shield of reflection.
Drop what? 51/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop a +0 plate armour of poison resistance.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Mara (Spider:4)
  A juggernaut (Depths:2)
  4 golden dragons
  3 caustic shrikes
  the Enchantress (Depths:4)
  Arachne (Spider:4)
  A bone dragon (Depths:5)
  4 tentacled monstrosities
  A lich (Depths:1)
  A deep elf master archer (Elf:3)
  A quicksilver dragon (Depths:2)
  4 sphinxes
  3 tengu reavers
  A storm dragon (Depths:5)
  Donald (Elf:3)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:4)
  3 fire giants
  10 frost giants
  4 ghost moths
  11 deep elf sorcerers
  7 emperor scorpions
  6 vault wardens
  A deep elf elementalist (Elf:3)
  A curse skull (Vaults:3)
  An orc warlord (Vaults:4)
  2 draconian shifters (Depths:5)
  2 spriggan defenders (Depths:4)
  20 stone giants
  14 ironheart preservers
  32 very ugly things
  6 deep elf annihilators
  3 deep elf demonologists
  3 vampire knights
  10 large abominations
  2 black draconians (Depths:5)
  A red draconian (Depths:5)
  A white draconian (Depths:5)
  6 entropy weavers
  A yellow draconian (Depths:4)
  A dire elephant (Lair:6)
  A purple draconian (Depths:5)
  Snorg (D:11)
  10 ettins
  12 merfolk impalers
  4 merfolk javelineers
  3 deep elf death magi
  6 fire dragons
  12 yaktaur captains
  2 jiangshi (Depths:1)
  5 deep elf high priests
  Josephine (Spider:1)
  14 ogre magi
  7 great orbs of eyes
  Fannar (Lair:2)
  Erolcha (D:9)
  7 spriggan air magi
  7 hydras
  4 vault guards
  7 ice dragons
  2 merfolk avatars
  A rakshasa (Vaults:3)
  11 centaur warriors
  A hell beast (Depths:1)
  3 merfolk aquamancers (Shoals:4)
  An alligator snapping turtle (Shoals:4)
  A catoblepas (D:14)
  29 dancing weapons
  9 deep troll shamans
  2 vampire magi
  45 two-headed ogres
  10 tengu warriors
  3 death knights (Vaults:1)
  6 death yaks (Lair:5)
  Urug (Lair:2)
  9 deep troll earth magi
  5 spriggan berserkers
  Nergalle (Lair:2)
  A soul eater (Depths:1)
  34 deep elf knights
  An iron troll (Depths:2)
  10 sea snakes
  3 shadow wraiths
  A sixfirhy (D:7)
  A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  8 hell knights
  5 glowing orange brains
  7 skeletal warriors
  An unseen horror (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  7 unseen horrors
  A shadow demon (Depths:3)
  24 deep trolls
  A storm dragon skeleton (Depths:1)
  2 flayed ghosts
  A torturous demonspawn (Depths:3)
  5 wizards
  A deep troll (shapeshifter) (D:12)
  10 ironbrand convokers
  2 phantasmal warriors (Vaults:1)
  11 deep elf archers
  35 harpies
  15 orc knights
  7 necromancers
  62 deep elf magi
  22 orb spiders
  45 ugly things
  The ghost of Ticubbie the Covert, a novice SpEn of Makhleb (D:8)
  15 orc sorcerers
  9 cyclopes
  10 fauns
  19 manticores
  26 wolf spiders
  14 elephants
  3 moths of wrath
  A moth of wrath (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  An elephant (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  15 merfolk sirens
  4 black mambas
  2 centaur zombies
  8 water nymphs
  A rust devil (Depths:1)
  A torpor snail (Spider:2)
  11 vault sentinels
  A guardian serpent (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  2 ice statues (IceCv)
  2 gargoyles
  A spiny frog (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  7 spiny frogs
  Psyche (D:8)
  A rime drake (Lair:4)
  5 komodo dragons
  2 efreet
  33 yaktaurs
  10 demonic crawlers
  4 freezing wraiths
  A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  2 ice devils
  37 jumping spiders
  4 tengu conjurers
  2 polar bears
  A red devil (Depths:1)
  A meliai (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A queen bee (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  21 merfolk
  10 snapping turtles
  9 hornets
  3 wind drakes (Shoals:4)
  19 slime creatures
  4 trolls
  3 wind drakes (shapeshifter)
  Grinder (D:6)
  14 small abominations
  6 blink frogs
  A deep troll zombie (Depths:1)
  12 hippogriffs
  A fire dragon skeleton (Depths:1)
  A meliai zombie (D:14)
  3 dream sheep (Shoals:2)
  14 water elementals
  3 spriggans (Depths:4)
  A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  81 redbacks
  5 air elementals
  22 yaks
  7 wraiths
  3 fire elementals
  A basilisk (Lair:2)
  23 tarantellas
  Grum (D:9)
  4 chaos spawn
  A yaktaur simulacrum (Vaults:2)
  2 humans (Shoals:1)
  3 hungry ghosts
  A neqoxec (Depths:3)
  3 wyverns
  A human (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  A fire bat (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  2 vampire mosquitoes (D:15)
  A human simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  3 acid dragons
  6 wargs
  2 soldier ants (D:8)
  15 water moccasins
  3 floating eyes
  30 orc warriors
  7 porcupines
  10 ice beasts
  3 phantoms
  3 black bears
  4 sky beasts
  An ettin simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  40 ogres
  9 boggarts
  8 wolves
  16 centaurs
  10 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  15 bullfrogs
  2 earth elementals (Elf:1)
  3 scorpions
  14 wights
  9 electric eels
  2 howler monkeys (D:7)
  10 crimson imps
  5 hounds
  18 orc priests
  A jelly (D:9)
  A quasit (D:5)
  3 centaur skeletons
  32 orc wizards
  A gnoll shaman (D:9)
  An iguana (D:5)
  13 worker ants
  A hound zombie (D:8)
  3 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:10)
  Robin (D:2)
  13 adders
  2 howler monkey skeletons
  7 gnolls
  2 shadow imps
  3 white imps (Lair:4)
  An ooze (D:1)
  2 adder skeletons
  3 worms
  2 dart slugs
  9 leopard geckos
  114 orcs
  6 bats
  2 giant cockroaches (D:3)
  5 hobgoblins
  16 jackals
  19 kobolds
  4 quokkas
  4 frilled lizards
  13 goblins
  2 goblin zombies (D:8)
  A leopard gecko skeleton (D:7)
  3 rats
  A bush (Shoals:2)
  2 crawling corpses (Elf:3)
1837 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A juggernaut (Depths:2)
  Saint Roka (Vaults:4)
  Nikola (Elf:3)
  Rupert (Orc:2)
  A deep elf blademaster (Elf:3)
  3 deep elf sorcerers (Elf:3)
  A vault warden (Vaults:3)
  2 fire giants
  Louise (Spider:1)
  A frost giant (Depths:2)
  An ironheart preserver (Vaults:3)
  2 spriggan defenders (Depths:4)
  2 stone giants
  3 very ugly things (Depths:1)
  2 vampire knights
  A deep elf annihilator (Elf:3)
  An ettin (Depths:2)
  An eidolon (Vaults:3)
  A fire dragon (Depths:2)
  2 deep elf death magi (Elf:3)
  3 deep elf high priests (Elf:3)
  A hydra (D:11)
  3 great orbs of eyes
  Harold (D:10)
  A merfolk avatar (Shoals:3)
  A catoblepas (Lair:6)
  2 death knights (Vaults:3)
  4 ogre magi
  4 death yaks (Lair:6)
  7 two-headed ogres
  A tengu warrior (Depths:4)
  A deep troll shaman (Vaults:1)
  3 spriggan berserkers
  2 hell knights (Depths:2)
  5 spriggans
  A deep elf archer (Elf:3)
  A wizard (Depths:2)
  An orc knight (Vaults:3)
  An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:3)
  3 ugly things
  2 necromancers (Depths:2)
  3 deep elf magi
  An orb spider (Spider:1)
  2 wolf spiders
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:2)
  2 manticores
  A slime creature (Depths:2)
  A water nymph (Shoals:3)
  A gargoyle (D:15)
  3 yaktaurs
  A tengu conjurer (Depths:4)
  A troll (Orc:2)
  4 merfolk (Shoals:3)
  5 hornets
  A redback (Spider:4)
  2 wraiths
  A basilisk (D:15)
  A golden eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  Duvessa (D:7)
  2 orc warriors
  A centaur (Shoals:3)
  5 ogres
  Dowan (D:7)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:7)
  2 orcs (Vaults:4)
121 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A storm dragon (Depths:5)
  2 yaktaur captains
  2 centaur warriors (Depths:4)
  An unseen horror (Vaults:1)
  2 deep elf archers (Elf:3)
  2 deep elf magi
  A cyclops (Depths:4)
  6 yaktaurs
  A jumping spider (Spider:2)
  A boggart (Depths:4)
  An ogre (Vaults:4)
  A small abomination (Depths:3)
  An orc (D:4)
  14 fungi (D:9)
  33 plants
  4 tentacles (Shoals:3)
73 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 2031 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Jabbatz the Minotaur Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   104 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 21/27 MP: 1/1
   209 | D:1      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
   555 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
   792 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/33 MP: 2/2
   854 | D:2      | Reached ** piety under Trog
  1126 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1133 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/40 MP: 3/3
  1135 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  1552 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  1552 | D:3      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  1554 | D:3      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1554 | D:3      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1558 | D:3      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  1783 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2034 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 34/47 MP: 4/4
  2196 | D:4      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  2883 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3032 | D:5      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/55 MP: 5/5
  3055 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  3159 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  3291 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/61 MP: 6/6
  3548 | D:5      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  3938 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  4059 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  4209 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 70/70 MP: 7/7
  4313 | D:6      | Noticed Grinder
  4326 | D:6      | Killed Grinder
  4326 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  4370 | D:6      | Received a gift from Trog
  5047 | D:7      | Found a runed door.
  5049 | D:7      | Noticed a sixfirhy
  5140 | D:7      | Got a translucent short sword
  5190 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 58/79 MP: 8/8
  5276 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  5278 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  5285 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  5295 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  5324 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5336 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5832 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  5885 | D:7      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  6423 | D:8      | Noticed Ticubbie's ghost (novice SpEn)
  6460 | D:8      | Killed Ticubbie's ghost
  6603 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 86/90 MP: 9/9
  6608 | D:8      | Received a gift from Trog
  6864 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  6875 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
  6991 | D:9      | Identified the +10 short sword of Winter {pierce, rF+ MR+ Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  7075 | D:9      | Noticed Erolcha
  7083 | D:9      | Killed Erolcha
  7395 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  7418 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  7744 | D:9      | Noticed Grum
  7950 | D:9      | Got a wavering bone ring
  8011 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8129 | D:9      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  8134 | D:9      | Killed Grum
  8429 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8438 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 83/99 MP: 10/10
  8727 | D:10     | Found Xisky's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of noise for 14 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8730 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8755 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Ykhil {rPois rN++ MR++ Stlth-} (You took it off an orc warrior on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  8810 | D:10     | Noticed a white ugly thing
  8938 | D:9      | Killed a white ugly thing
  9072 | D:10     | Noticed Harold
  9080 | D:10     | Killed Harold
  9080 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  9080 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  9297 | D:10     | Noticed an orc knight
  9364 | D:10     | Killed an orc knight
  9630 | D:10     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
  9630 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9940 | D:11     | Noticed Snorg
  9957 | D:11     | Killed Snorg
  9957 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 10074 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 10315 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10324 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10332 | D:11     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 10434 | D:11     | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 10446 | D:11     | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 10446 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 10667 | D:11     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 10703 | D:11     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 10839 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 10895 | D:12     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 10915 | D:11     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 11169 | D:12     | Noticed a deep troll
 11174 | D:12     | Killed a deep troll
 11174 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 11174 | D:12     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 110/110 MP: 11/11
 11859 | D:12     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns
 12077 | D:12     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 12081 | D:12     | Paralysed by a floating eye for 2 turns
 12087 | D:12     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 13182 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13864 | Lair:2   | Noticed Urug
 13883 | Lair:2   | Killed Urug
 13938 | Lair:2   | Noticed Nergalle
 13960 | Lair:2   | Killed Nergalle
 14063 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 14173 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 118/118 MP: 4/12
 14342 | Lair:2   | Noticed Fannar
 14371 | Lair:2   | Killed Fannar
 15247 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 16120 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 16629 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 16738 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 17260 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 17765 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 108/129 MP: 4/13
 18419 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 18443 | Orc:1    | Found a frozen archway.
 18480 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 18481 | IceCv    | Found a transporter.
 18546 | IceCv    | Identified the Almanac of Conjuration
 19035 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 19078 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 19133 | Orc:2    | Noticed Rupert
 19158 | Orc:2    | Killed Rupert
 19372 | Orc:2    | Found Wowac's Distillery.
 19405 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of degeneration for 14 gold pieces
 19419 | Orc:2    | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 19442 | Orc:2    | Found Goucen's Book Shoppe.
 19454 | Orc:2    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 19557 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 19562 | Orc:2    | Found Irioka Diuc's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 19577 | Orc:2    | Found Giunlyom's Gadget Emporium.
 19710 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 19860 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 19861 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20081 | Orc:2    | Found Goucen's Book Shoppe.
 20087 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 20087 | Orc:2    | Found Irioka Diuc's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 20094 | Orc:2    | Found Giunlyom's Gadget Emporium.
 20096 | Orc:2    | Bought an ichor-stained morningstar for 171 gold pieces
 20096 | Orc:2    | Identified the +10 morningstar of Battle {freeze, +Inv MR- Str+4 Int+8} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 20137 | Orc:2    | Found Wowac's Distillery.
 20191 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 20192 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20280 | Orc:2    | Found Yserphuerph's Food Shoppe.
 20281 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 20941 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
 20948 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 21152 | D:14     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 21211 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 21422 | D:14     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 91/138 MP: 5/16
 21972 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
 22055 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 22114 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 22116 | D:15     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 22254 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 22255 | D:15     | Noticed a fire giant
 22759 | D:15     | Killed a fire giant
 23366 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 23376 | Spider:1 | Noticed Louise
 23519 | Spider:1 | Killed Louise
 23864 | Spider:1 | Noticed Josephine
 23868 | Spider:1 | Killed Josephine
 23868 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 24175 | Spider:1 | Noticed Roxanne
 24524 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 24609 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 125/147 MP: 19/19
 25084 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 25084 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails
 25477 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 25867 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 26408 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 26986 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Shields
 27205 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 27222 | Spider:4 | Noticed Mara
 27275 | Spider:4 | Noticed Jabbatz's illusion
 27281 | Spider:4 | Killed Mara
 27376 | Spider:4 | Noticed Arachne
 27395 | Spider:4 | Killed Arachne
 27770 | Spider:4 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 156/157 MP: 20/20
 28010 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 28395 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 28866 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 28922 | Shoals:1 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar.
 28946 | Bazaar   | Entered a bazaar
 28960 | Bazaar   | Found Aliboig's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 28982 | Bazaar   | Found Wepsam's Weapon Emporium.
 29004 | Bazaar   | Found Lits's Gadget Emporium.
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 36 gold pieces
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 90 gold pieces
 29080 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 90 gold pieces
 29885 | Shoals:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 30106 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 31243 | Shoals:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 31484 | Shoals:3 | Noticed a kraken
 31776 | Shoals:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Shoals
 32180 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 145/168 MP: 22/22
 32199 | Shoals:4 | Identified the +0 buckler "Udoutora" {rF+ rN+ Int-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)
 32455 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 32480 | Shoals:4 | Killed Ilsuiw
 33342 | Shoals:4 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 34012 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 34027 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 35006 | Elf:1    | Got a heavily runed helmet
 35034 | Elf:1    | Found Uptouw's Weapon Shoppe.
 35526 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 35578 | Elf:1    | Got a polished great mace {god gift}
 35584 | Elf:1    | Identified the +2 great mace "Unig" {flame, *Noise +Fly rElec Str-5} (Trog gifted it to you on level 1 of the Elven Halls)
 36265 | Elf:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 36440 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 36440 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 36450 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 36668 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
 36688 | Elf:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 36710 | Elf:3    | Noticed Donald
 36774 | Elf:3    | Killed Donald
 36929 | Elf:3    | Reached XP level 19. HP: 177/177 MP: 24/24
 37152 | Elf:3    | Noticed Nikola
 37175 | Elf:3    | Killed Nikola
 38286 | Elf:3    | Got a shimmering flail {crush}
 38301 | Elf:3    | Identified the +5 flail "Atozxeak" {crush, Fragile +Rage +Inv rF++} (You took it off a deep elf high priest on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 38381 | Elf:3    | Got a pair of ancient boots
 38387 | Elf:3    | Identified the +5 pair of boots "Dipp" {+Fly Str+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 38727 | Elf:3    | Got a twisted great sword {drain}
 38833 | Elf:3    | Identified the +6 great sword of Chaos {drain, Str+4} (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 39313 | Elf:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 39422 | Elf:2    | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 39821 | Orc:2    | Found Wowac's Distillery.
 39831 | Orc:2    | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 39836 | Orc:2    | Found Goucen's Book Shoppe.
 39848 | Orc:2    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 39855 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 39862 | Orc:2    | Found Giunlyom's Gadget Emporium.
 39867 | Orc:2    | Found Irioka Diuc's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 40158 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 40212 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 41324 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 41367 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 184/189 MP: 13/26
 42357 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 42851 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 43164 | Vaults:2 | Reached ****** piety under Trog
 43178 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing
 43187 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 44916 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 45056 | Vaults:3 | Found Idynkuog's Antique Weapon Shop.
 45108 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 45110 | Vaults:3 | Got a transparent mace {god gift}
 45111 | Vaults:3 | Identified the +9 mace of Jinyziwa {flame, rC++ Str+2} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Vaults)
 45431 | Vaults:3 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 199/199 MP: 28/28
 45778 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Saint Roka
 45794 | Vaults:4 | Killed Saint Roka
 46777 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 46886 | Vaults:4 | Got an uncursed translucent rapier {flame}
 46887 | Vaults:4 | Identified the +1 rapier of Frustration {flame, rN+} (You took it off a vault warden on level 4 of the Vaults)
 47245 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 47901 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
 48461 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell.
 48854 | Depths:1 | Found a runed door.
 49045 | Depths:1 | Noticed a caustic shrike
 49064 | Depths:1 | Killed a caustic shrike
 49075 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 49267 | Depths:1 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 187/211 MP: 29/29
 49529 | Depths:2 | Noticed a juggernaut
 49553 | Depths:2 | Killed a juggernaut
 49637 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 49779 | Depths:2 | Got a faintly glowing pewter ring
 49842 | Depths:2 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
 49890 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 50075 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 50372 | Depths:2 | Identified the ring "Wecim" {Fire rPois Slay+3 Stlth+} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)
 50403 | Depths:2 | Got a pitted ring mail
 50404 | Depths:2 | Identified the +0 ring mail of Lilacs {-Cast rCorr SInv} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)
 50910 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
 51137 | Depths:3 | Noticed a caustic shrike
 51146 | Depths:3 | Noticed a golden dragon
 51146 | Depths:3 | Killed a caustic shrike
 51157 | Depths:3 | Noticed a caustic shrike
 51304 | Depths:2 | Killed a caustic shrike
 51338 | Depths:2 | Killed a golden dragon
 51397 | Depths:3 | Noticed a juggernaut
 51399 | Depths:3 | Noticed a golden dragon
 51408 | Depths:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 51424 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 145/223 MP: 30/30
 51533 | Depths:2 | Killed a juggernaut
 51941 | Depths:3 | Got a fine morningstar
 51942 | Depths:3 | Identified the +7 morningstar of Wusoc {drain, rC+} (You found it on level 3 of the Depths)
 51988 | Depths:3 | Got a shimmering ring mail
 51989 | Depths:3 | Identified the +0 ring mail of the Clam {rF++ rC- rCorr SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Depths)
 52166 | Depths:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 52330 | Depths:3 | Found Cyubb's Gadget Boutique.
 53683 | Depths:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 53773 | Depths:4 | Noticed a juggernaut
 53835 | Depths:4 | Got a warped quarterstaff {god gift}
 53844 | Depths:4 | Identified the +7 quarterstaff of the Butterfly {drain, rPois rC+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Depths)
 53889 | Depths:4 | Got a warped flail {antimagic}
 53890 | Depths:4 | Identified the cursed +0 flail of the Land of Plenty {antimagic, Int+2} (You took it off a spriggan air mage on level 4 of the Depths)
 54071 | Depths:4 | Got a heavily runed tin ring
 54089 | Depths:4 | Identified the ring "Pyamno" {+Blink rF++ Dex+3 Slay-4 Stlth+} (You took it off a spriggan rider on level 4 of the Depths)
 54188 | Depths:4 | Noticed the Enchantress
 54212 | Depths:4 | Killed the Enchantress
 54214 | Depths:4 | Got faerie dragon scales
 54215 | Depths:4 | Identified the +3 faerie dragon scales {rN+ rCorr Dex+4 Slay+6} (You took it off the Enchantress on level 4 of the Depths)
 54229 | Depths:4 | Got a pitted plate armour
 54230 | Depths:4 | Identified the cursed +1 plate armour "Keqole Ifin" {+Inv rPois Int-3 Slay+3} (You found it on level 4 of the Depths)
 54441 | Depths:4 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 54492 | Depths:4 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
 54835 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths
 55074 | Depths:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 55093 | Depths:5 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 233/233 MP: 30/30
 55278 | Depths:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 55516 | Depths:5 | Got a jacinth-encrusted chain mail
 55517 | Depths:5 | Identified the cursed +1 chain mail of Zin's Benevolence {rCorr Str-3 Int+6 SInv} (You found it on level 5 of the Depths)
 55530 | Depths:5 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 55624 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot.

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 |
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Shields        |     1     2     3  4  6  7  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17                   | 17.3
Fighting       |     4           5  6  7  8  9 11 12 13 14    15 16 17 18 19 20 22       | 22.7
Maces & Flails |     4           5  6  7  8  9 11 12 13 14    15 16                18    | 18.4
Armour         |        3     4     5  6  8  9 10 11 13 14    15 16 17 18 19 20 22       | 22.6
Dodging        |           3     4  5  6  7  8 10 11 12 13    14 15 16 17 19 20 21 22    | 22.4
Throwing       |                                         3  6           8 10       12    | 12.6
Evocations     |                                         3  6     7  9 10 11          12 | 12.0

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
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Melee: Mace              |    85 |    91 |       |       |       |       |    44 |       ||   220
       Headbutt          |     7 |    26 |    31 |   252 |   345 |   457 |   674 |   645 ||  2437
       Club              |       |    65 |   233 |   742 |       |       |       |       ||  1040
       Dire flail        |       |       |       |    89 |       |       |       |       ||    89
       War axe           |       |       |       |     6 |       |       |       |       ||     6
       Morningstar       |       |       |       |    19 |  1183 |  1118 |    11 |       ||  2331
       Short sword       |       |       |       |       |    22 |       |       |       ||    22
       Demon whip        |       |       |       |       |       |   457 |  1860 |  1674 ||  3991
Throw: Tomahawk          |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    15 ||    15
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     1 |     1 |    10 |     5 |       |       |     1 ||    19
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |     1 |       |       |     2 |     1 |     4 |     3 ||    11
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |     1 |     4 |     9 |    12 |    11 |    15 ||    52
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |       |       |       |     7 |     8 |     8 ||    23
 Abil: Stop Flying       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Evoke Flight      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Box of beasts     |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 |     2 |    15 |    10 |    19 |     6 |    21 ||    83
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     1 |     3 |    12 |     5 |       ||    22
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     1 |     4 |     4 |     2 ||    11
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     9 |     7 |    24 |    24 |    25 |    28 |    22 ||   140
       Ration            |       |       |     2 |     5 |     5 |     7 |     6 |     4 ||    29
Armor: Chain mail        |    75 |    32 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||   107
       Plate armour      |       |    98 |   136 |   313 |   408 |   616 |    24 |       ||  1595
       Crystal plate arm |       |       |       |       |       |       |   372 |   194 ||   566
       Gold dragon scale |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |   323 ||   323
Dodge: Dodged            |    52 |    69 |    94 |   270 |   330 |   735 |   501 |   790 ||  2841
Block: Large shield      |       |       |       |   296 |  1105 |  1045 |       |       ||  2446
       Buckler           |       |       |       |       |       |   199 |     9 |       ||   208
       Shield            |       |       |       |       |       |    13 |   775 |   969 ||  1757
       Reflection        |       |       |       |       |       |     4 |    66 |    52 ||   122





Thanks for all your advice, this is the farthest I've ever gotten.
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Post Wednesday, 10th October 2018, 02:20

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

What are your defenses with the faerie dragon armour? +6 slaying is pretty good.

Also, NICE BOOTS
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Post Wednesday, 10th October 2018, 03:24

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

please do not tell someone to wear the faerie dragon scales on a MiBe.

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Post Wednesday, 10th October 2018, 16:03

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

40 AC / 22 EV / 18 SH with Gold Dragon Scales, rF rC rPois
30 AC / 33 EV / 18 SH with Faerie Dragon Scales, rN+ rCorr Dex+4 Slay+6

Is +Slay really that great? Then the ring "Pyamno" {+Blink rF++ Dex+3 Slay-4 Stlth+} must be pretty bad. I might keep it for the cheap blink though.
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Post Thursday, 11th October 2018, 01:38

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

@duvessa: I believe you; how much worse is it in this case?

@battalion: You can just put it on when you want to blink, probably don't try to damage dangerous monsters while wearing it though
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Post Thursday, 11th October 2018, 19:12

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Wear the gold dragon armour, get it enchanted up.
Don't use the fire ring with slaying on it unless you find excess rC+, or the ring with -slaying on it. Stick with the ones you have for now. The first to go will be the Dex ring.

Here's what I'd do as far as the dungeon path is concerned:

0) Clear vault5 (hopefully upgrade ring and other gear)
1) Ditch trog for TSO
2) Clear crypt until max piety
3) Change one of your demon whips into a sacred scourge (probably the draining)
4) Swith to Zin
5) Finish getting max piety with Zin in crypt and get loot on level 3 (good artefact rings)
6) Hopefully upgrade that Dex+4 ring
7) Clear abyss for rune (finish burning trog wrath, use blink spell to help)
8) Clear slimes for rune
9) Clear zot up to the orb using freezing whip on draconians, sacred scourge and antimagic combos (pass game or continue on to extended)
10) Clear hell vestibule
11) Switch back to TSO (or before clearing vestibule if you don't see a cacodemon in there)
12) Clear hells/pan/tomb (exact order depends), get invocations up high for cleansing flame, ignition is the only spell you need if you branch into casting
13) (switch back to Zin if paranoid) Walk orb out

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Post Thursday, 11th October 2018, 21:03

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Wow, thanks for the list! That is really helpful (and exhaustive).

I will confess I thought maybe I could go for a 3 rune win. I'd like to just win once, but this is a really good plan. I cleared Vaults:5, no real upgrades, a utility weapon (+4 morningstar of venom with SInv).

I have some questions about switching Gods. If I switch to TSO, what weapon should I use? I don't think I can continue to use the demon whip of draining (or any demon whip for that matter) so do I switch to one of the morningstars until I'm at max piety? Also I've been burning spellbooks for piety (Started this run before 0.22 was released) so in terms of my spell availability there's .... not much.

thanks again.

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Post Thursday, 11th October 2018, 21:19

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

One - don't read the rest of this post. Win. You've never won before, don't worry about switching gods or getting more runes. Go straight to Zot and win the game. Win with some other characters. Try casters and Beogh worshippers and stabbers. Try spriggans and octopodes. Extended is boring and monotonous, and winning the game with 3 runes is just as much winning as a 15 rune game is.

Two - Yes, switch back to the holy morningstar, it'll work just fine until you get to max piety.

Three - "no spells" is a pretty serious problem. Do you have controlled blink and passage of Golubria in your game? If so, start training translocations early, and you can cast them even in heavy armor - cBlink is incredibly, incredibly useful in Tomb.

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Post Thursday, 11th October 2018, 22:33

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

battalion wrote:Wow, thanks for the list! That is really helpful (and exhaustive).

I will confess I thought maybe I could go for a 3 rune win. I'd like to just win once, but this is a really good plan. I cleared Vaults:5, no real upgrades, a utility weapon (+4 morningstar of venom with SInv).

I have some questions about switching Gods. If I switch to TSO, what weapon should I use? I don't think I can continue to use the demon whip of draining (or any demon whip for that matter) so do I switch to one of the morningstars until I'm at max piety? Also I've been burning spellbooks for piety (Started this run before 0.22 was released) so in terms of my spell availability there's .... not much.

thanks again.


I recommend changing the demon whip of draining into a sacred scourge (it's a very good weapon and will kill anything) or find the highest level enchanted broad axe laying around and enchant it as holy. TSO will add the last +2 enchant level so you don't need to use anything higher than +7. The timing is when you hit max piety with TSO, it's an ability in the abilities menu. If you're bent on using a branded weapon other than holy for a specific target, just use a different broad axe of chopping, freezing or flame, etc. and bring axe skill up a bit (here's where eveningstars begin to shine, right, if you had one, you could use it also). Don't worry about the spellbooks you burned. You really don't need any spells at all, there are just a few utility spells that are sometimes helpful (but not required, I practically *never* need controlled blink, regular blink and scrolls are enough). I'm not sure why people are telling you to not clear the whole game... I'm certainly not telling you to do extended.. do whatever you like. I'm just offering information since you asked... you're welcome!

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Post Tuesday, 16th October 2018, 21:20

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Welp, I died.

I did the plan up to step 7. Things were going fine, I got the abyssal rune on A:4. I had intended to keep looking on A:3 but I got surrounded on a deeper level and getting out to A:4 seemed the best way to get out. A:4 was going OK, it got a little hairy getting the rune but I was able to take a few moments and rest up. When I got out, all hell broke loose and I was surrounded by Ancient Liches and about 10 starcursed masses. I thought I had a chance but eventually one of the Starcursed masses got me.

Thanks again for all your help. Never got 4 runes before, never got much below clearing some Lair branches. It's gonna take some time before I'm ready to start one of these up again, although certain things will go faster.

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2018, 07:16

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

It is very easy to get into big trouble in the Abyss, especially on Abyss:4.

I really think you should win a game first instead of going into extended like this.

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2018, 17:46

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Eh, do what's fun. Winning is fun, seeing A:4 or A:5 go nuts can be fun too.
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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2018, 17:54

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Clearing Crypts was no sweat, I thought I'd try Abyss and see how it was going, was doing fine on A:3. Probably should have stayed there rather than jump to A:4 but I felt like I could handle A:4 too. A little overconfident, I guess. The issue with Abyss is the sunk cost -- getting out means basically starting from scratch especially when you feel like you're right there to get the rune. I don't regret it too much. Just gives me something to look forward to next time.
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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2018, 18:26

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

Yeah, there's literally no point in going lower in abyss if you can avoid it. There's also no point in tackling a rune vault that looks tough, just keep walking and you'll eventually find an easier one.
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Post Sunday, 21st October 2018, 04:40

Re: Next Step for MiBe of Trog?

battalion wrote:Clearing Crypts was no sweat, I thought I'd try Abyss and see how it was going, was doing fine on A:3. Probably should have stayed there rather than jump to A:4 but I felt like I could handle A:4 too. A little overconfident, I guess. The issue with Abyss is the sunk cost -- getting out means basically starting from scratch especially when you feel like you're right there to get the rune. I don't regret it too much. Just gives me something to look forward to next time.


That's too bad, abyss can be deadly sometimes but at least you learned a lot. Here are some tips to help with abyss for later:

* don't make a lot of noise with loud spells if you can help it, noise in general can escalate things quickly here
* stealth is actually somewhat useful in abyss, although I still wouldn't change your build for it
* regen amulet and regen items are very good since you don't get much time to rest and it's a constant fight for health
* Zin is probably the best god for running abyss for vitalization and mutation protection, followed by lugonu, tso & mak. You can use Zin Sanctuary + teleport as a very powerful heal up + escape combo from all but the worst of the worst situations.
* tactically timed regular (uncontrolled) blinks are useful for escaping stuff, practice when/where to use them that they favor escape by probabilities (rounding corners, etc)

And probably the most important tip:

* Use teleport scrolls when things are starting to look bad, *before* they get really bad, because they take time to kick in. Teleport scrolls are possibly the single strongest resource for surviving and escaping the abyss.

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