Bad luck, bad player or both?

[Zhorgal]

I'm trying centaurs. I know I don't know how to play them but I wanted to try them anyway. I was in level 2 and these were the three exits to level 3 in the order I tried them:

1. the first one had Sigmund, I fled to the stairs and he pursued me and turned invisible
2. The second one had Ijyb (sometimes he can have a very nasty wand), an adder and a bunch of other monsters
3. The last one had 4 or 5 orcs, one of them a priest and they were ADJACENT to the stairs!

I went up, the upstairs was in a corner, nowhere to escape. In hindsight I could've tried the potions there was might and berserk but even so, I was probably a goner.

Considering centaurs, do you level up armour or dodging at all? If so, when?

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-641-geef9d7f (tiles) character file.

90 Loasi the Shooter (level 4, -4/38 HPs)
             Began as a Centaur Arcane Marksman on Feb 22, 2018.
             Slain by an orc
             ... wielding a +0 war axe
              (5 damage)
             ... on level 2 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:10:36 (3417 turns).

Loasi the Shooter (Centaur Arcane Marksman)         Turns: 3417, Time: 00:10:36

Health: -4/38      AC:  9    Str: 13    XL:     4   Next: 32%
Magic:  5/5        EV:  1    Int: 12    God:   
Gold:   93         SH:  0    Dex: 10    Spells: 4/5 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis .   b - +0 short sword
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (no shield)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   r - +0 plate armour
rPois    +         Spirit   .   n - +0 helmet
rElec    .         Reflect  .   (no cloak)
rCorr    .         Harm     .   (no gloves)
MR       .....                  (no barding)
Stlth    ..........             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.12/turn              q - ring of poison resistance
MPRegen  0.09/turn              x - ring of protection from fire

@: very quick
A: large, hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3
a: no special abilities


You were on level 2 of the Dungeon.
You were hungry.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 3 of its levels.

You collected 93 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +0 shortbow
 b - a +0 short sword (weapon)
Missiles
 d - 17 arrows
 h - a throwing net (quivered) {!f}
 o - 164 stones
 p - 25 sling bullets
 v - 26 bolts
Armour
 e - a +0 robe
 i - a +0 robe
 k - a +0 ring mail
 m - a +0 leather armour
 n - a +0 helmet (worn)
 r - a +0 plate armour (worn)
 t - a +0 shield
Jewellery
 q - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 x - a ring of protection from fire (right hand)
Scrolls
 u - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 w - a scroll of enchant armour {unknown}
 y - a scroll of identify {unknown}
Potions
 g - a potion of might {unknown}
 j - a potion of berserk rage {unknown}
 l - 4 potions of curing
Books
 c - a book of Debilitation   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Corona                       Hexes                         1
    b - Slow                         Hexes                         2
    c - Inner Flame                  Hexes/Fire                    3
    d - Portal Projectile            Hexes/Translocation           3
    e - Cause Fear                   Hexes                         4
    f - Leda's Liquefaction          Hexes/Earth                   4
Comestibles
 f - 5 rations
 s - 5 chunks of flesh


   Skills:
 * Level 3,5 Fighting
 + Level 4,1 Bows
 - Level 1,3 Dodging
 - Level 1,0 Spellcasting
 - Level 2,6 Hexes


You had 4 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Corona                Hex            #......      100%        1    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (3/15)           

Altars:

Annotations:
D:1 Robin
D:3 Ijyb, Sigmund


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin. (AC +3)


Message History

The orc priest is moderately wounded.
The orc hits you but does no damage. x2
The orc priest mumbles some strange prayers to Beogh against you.
Beogh smites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Your plate armour prevents you from hitting the orc priest.
The orc priest is moderately wounded.
The orc hits you but does no damage. x2
The orc priest hits you but does no damage.
Unknown command.
Your plate armour prevents you from hitting the orc priest.
The orc priest is moderately wounded.
The orc hits you with a war axe.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The orc hits you but does no damage.
The orc priest hits you but does no damage.
You hit the orc priest but do no damage.
The orc priest is moderately wounded.
The orc hits you but does no damage. The orc hits you with a war axe.
You die...

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        #.......#######.....#
        #...................#
        #....................
        #..............######
        ##oo.................
         #@og................
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                  #..........
                  #......####
              #####......#
              #..........#
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              #########


You could see an orc priest, 2 orcs and a hobgoblin.

Vanquished Creatures
  3 adders (D:2)
  A worm (D:2)
  2 dart slugs
  4 leopard geckos
  3 ball pythons
  8 bats
  2 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  5 kobolds
  6 rats
51 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Loasi the Centaur Arcane Marksman began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 2/2
   146 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Bows
   360 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/24 MP: 3/3
  1460 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/30 MP: 4/4
  2293 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 33/38 MP: 3/5
  2409 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  2526 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Bows
  3284 | D:3      | Noticed Sigmund
  3362 | D:3      | Noticed Ijyb
  3416 | D:2      | HP: 1/38 [orc/war axe (6)]
  3417 | D:2      | Slain by an orc

Vault maps used:
D:1:      minmay_arrival_solitary_statue, hex_tiny, interstate_on_off
D:2:      uniq_robin
D:3:      uniq_sigmund, uniq_jessica, uniq_ijyb

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4 |
---------------+-------------+-----
Bows           |  3        4 |  4,1
Fighting       |     2  3    |  3,5
Dodging        |             |  1,3
Spellcasting   |             |  1,0
Hexes          |             |  2,6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |   112 |    64 ||   176
       Kick              |    18 |    17 ||    35
 Fire: Shortbow          |    14 |       ||    14
 Cast: Corona            |     8 |       ||     8
  Use: Scroll            |     1 |       ||     1
       Potion            |       |     1 ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     3 ||     6
Armor: Robe              |    65 |     1 ||    66
       Plate armour      |       |    60 ||    60
Dodge: Dodged            |    72 |     7 ||    79

Table legend:
 A = Spawn XP
 B = Non-spawn XP
 C = Spawn XP percentage of total XP
 D = Spawn monster count
 E = Non-spawn monster count
 F = Spawn count percentage of total count
 G = Total turns spent on level

                 A         B        C        D         E        F        G   
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
      Total |       0 |     129 |   0,0 |       0 |      51 |   0,0 |    3417
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
        D:1 |       0 |      26 |   0,0 |       0 |      17 |   0,0 |    1344
        D:2 |       0 |      90 |   0,0 |       0 |      29 |   0,0 |    1931
        D:3 |       0 |      13 |   0,0 |       0 |       5 |   0,0 |     142
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------



[stoneychips]

I'm inclined to say mostly bad luck that you got all 3 so early.

If not all of the orcs were immediately next to the stairs when you first met them, maybe dragging one or two upstairs first would have helped improve your chances (avoid facing the whole pack at once).

There might be some chance of kiting Sigmund with good placement but yeah, invisibility (and confusion) tend to make him quite nasty if you can't hit really hard, really fast. Grinder that soon can also be quite obnoxious with the disabling attack.

It might have been worth trying a hatch to drop down to some random spot and look to rush off toward some other quiet nook/corner and then work your way back out of the narrows slowly. Maybe gain some items/xp and avoid the uniques as long as possible, maybe even take a chance slipping down another whole level and seeing if anything useful sits in accessible spots there.

[Thalfon]

The only thing offhand I can think is that maybe if you had read-id'd the identify scroll, and used it on a potion, you'd have either might or berserk, which could've got you through those Orcs. Not a sure rescue, but might've given you a shot, especially the zerk if you won that coin flip.

Oh, and you probably should've gone down the stairs holding your bow, not the short sword. It's faster (given your training), higher damage, and you could switch back after confirming there were no threats.

That is nasty luck in any case.

[Zhorgal]

If not all of the orcs were immediately next to the stairs when you first met them, maybe dragging one or two upstairs first would have helped improve your chances (avoid facing the whole pack at once).

They were. That's why I was complaining.

The thing is I tried all 3 exits and got major bad luck in the third one. They were close to the stairs. A pack of orcs including an orc priest on D:3 surrounding stairs is quite unfair.

I have tremendous respect for streakers and don't know how they cope with stuff like this.

[Sprucery]

Bad luck indeed. However, I wouldn't wear +0 plate with Str 13 when I have spells which the plate destroys. You should have Slow memorized and castable. You could have tried to kill Ijyb from afar with the bow (run away if he has a nasty wand). Maybe use the net first... of course, this is pure speculation.

[Zhorgal]

What would be the best centaur to try? Arcane marksman is probably not a good idea. I'm not leaning towards Be because Trog doesn't help with bow. I'm wondering whether to use a CeHu or CeGl and go with Oka be easier?
Talking about skills, should I increase Dodge and Armour at all? I'm going with fighting at the beginning and or bows or pole arms (reaching with Ce should help).

[MainiacJoe]

I'm not leaning towards Be because Trog doesn't help with bow.

Trog gives arrows. That is huge, it means you never have to wonder whether an enemy is worth the ammo. As a Ce, kite everyone. Trog will also give you a nice bow eventually.

[Zhorgal]

I'm not leaning towards Be because Trog doesn't help with bow.

Trog gives arrows. That is huge, it means you never have to wonder whether an enemy is worth the ammo. As a Ce, kite everyone. Trog will also give you a nice bow eventually.

True. But Oka also gives arrows and helps with bows.

[Zhorgal]

How do I deal with wasps or black mamba? They're faster than me and they kill me everytime. An early swarm of wasps centaur killer.

[Stairdancer]

Out of all three I'd say Sigmund surprisingly was the most manageable considering you had 4 curing potions ready. All you need is a large enough pillar to kite him around when he goes invis or comes in melee range. Also, although it probably didn't have any impact in this case, you shouldn't end up with a short sword wielded in a scary situation. These 5 auts might become crucial in the early game.

[Airwolf]

How do I deal with wasps or black mamba? They're faster than me and they kill me everytime. An early swarm of wasps centaur killer.

Train Bows then shoot them in the face.

[tasonir]

I'd say the Ijyb pack is probably the best, because you should be able to separate them with stairdancing, and nasty wand possibilities aside, Ijyb isn't usually one of the nastier uniques. Certainly easier than Sigmund, at least. And I'm saying this as someone who's 4 win streak was ended when the fifth character died to Ijyb with a wand of flame: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tasonir/mor ... 062415.txt

[Implojin]

Since nobody has answered your question about Armour and Dodging yet:

You'll generally get more mileage out of Fighting, than Armour or Dodging on a Centaur. You'll likely end up in heavy armour on a lot of Ce's because they have huge Strength, and Ce also have a size penalty to EV, and you get bonus AC from a barding eventually assuming that one generates, so you'll generally also get more mileage out of Armour, than Dodging.

You'll probably want to split your earlygame between whatever damaging skill you're using and Fighting, transitioning later into eventually picking up some Armour skill (probably not more than ~6 levels initially) around the time that you have some heavy armour to wear. You can delay picking up Armour depending on what items generate, but you probably don't want to delay too long.

There are also some backgrounds on which you might not want to jump into the heaviest armour you find as early as possible. If that's the case for your character, you can instead focus on your damaging skills and try to pickup some Dodging and Fighting as needed. (But again, Ce won't usually end up with amazing EV and you're sitting on a pretty large Stealth penalty anyway, so there isn't usually much benefit to going light armour Ce unless you're trying to make one work as a MASTER BLASTER or something.)


The major strength of Ce (besides their huge HP pool) is their reduced movement delay. With this, your character is even better than usual at just walking away™. It's really strong. You can also use this to do things like gaining range for reaching attacks or spells or ranged attacks.

A thing that a lot of newer players don't remember is that leaving a thing alone is very nearly as good as killing it in Crawl.


Disclaimer: I have been spending my time on weeaboo rhythm games lately, please ignore everything I said if Centaurs were reworked into, like, Gnomish stabbers or something in 0.2whatever we're on now.

[tasonir]

Oh right! OP asked other questions that hadn't been answered yet. Implojin's quite correct, so I won't repeat that stuff, although I will mention that the value of training armor goes up significantly once you have a barding. Early on fighting, once you have heavy armor, then armor. You can do a little dodging late game, especially if you have good dex somehow (either gear, or you raised it), but it isn't your main defense.

As for the still unanswered question: what background? Hunter is the most common to start with a shortbow and get arrows, although you'll be low on arrows until you run into an enemy centaur or two, after which you can use bows more often. If you want to instead have a decent melee attack until you kill 2-3 centaurs and then can start using bows more regularly, any of the warrior backgrounds (Fi, Gl, Mo, As) are good. You probably don't want a shield as ranged attacks are recommended, so Gl is probably the best one to start with.

[Magipi]

If you just want to win a centaur, then I recommend CeBe obviously. For almost every species Be is the most straightforward and user-friendly option, the exceptions are Fe Op DE Sp Fo Mu and Gh, I hope I did not miss any.

[nago]

My 2 cents: I dunno the dungeon layout but ijyib with a Ce with a bow and 20ish arrows usually is very easy as you can hit him from edge of LOS until he's dead, because the only wands that have full LOS are poly, paralysis and disint. The first two won't ever kill you against ijiyb, the latter can but usually you should be able to survive 1 hit and run away. Don't remember if current iteration of wand of flame is full LOS for monsters but in case you just run away and its damage is low anyway.

[Stairdancer]

If you just want to win a centaur, then I recommend CeBe obviously. For almost every species Be is the most straightforward and user-friendly option, the exceptions are Fe Op DE Sp Fo Mu and Gh, I hope I did not miss any.

FeBe is pretty legit

[Magipi]

If you just want to win a centaur, then I recommend CeBe obviously. For almost every species Be is the most straightforward and user-friendly option, the exceptions are Fe Op DE Sp Fo Mu and Gh, I hope I did not miss any.

FeBe is pretty legit

FeBe is not awful*, but by no means the strongest option. Not being able to use ozo's armour and statue form as a felid is a huge downside.

* well, it IS awful, but only because it's a felid.

[Nebukadnezar]

Against Sigmund:
You had the option of using corona (AM). You get first action. You have 4*curing. You have a ranged weapon. Plate killed these options and made it sure that you were noticed.

Ijyib:
Tricky because this is stairs #2 and especially with plate anything in LOS will act first now. Ijyib didn't use a wand even when you gave him several turns to act ? (down+up)
He might have a useless wand or an area wand (iceblast) where damaging allies comes into play whether the wand is used or not.


I would have tried my luck first (with corona+curing+ranged weapon and not-plate) against Sigmund and see whether I can land corona.

Plate I cannot understand (not on AM).
You'll see in the log that now and then you've wasted a full turn (when attacking) because your armour prevented you from using your weapon.

You can play Ce like any other melee:
Put on the most heavy armour. Shoot arrows and use it in melee letting them punch at you and walking away if damage bcomes too high.
Autoexploring.

You could also explore manually which mans that unlike a melee char you want to make sure that any new tile you'll see is 8 tiles away from you and not 2. It is a big diff. in Lair whether you can kill fast enemies from a distance or not.
Autoexplore will put you into many situations where you walk around a corner and see a pack of fast hard-hitting monster.

Fighting(+weapon) is best suited for Ce.
Oka is an excellent god for Ce (Ammo, heroism, barding-gift).
Armour/Dodging comes last. You shouldn't get hit anyway (in most cases) but this involves a lot of clicks/manually exploring.

These are 3 morgues from a long streak. You can check what I skilled and what armour I used. None of them started with a bow.
CeAr: https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/N ... 045950.txt
CeMo: https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/N ... 231626.txt
CeAs: https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/N ... 115251.txt

[Zhorgal]

So, just killed Nessos (he dropped the longbow and the centaur barding). Questions:

1. what should I use? Should I simply enchant the bow Nessos dropped as much as possible?
2. What should I wear?
3. Should I learn spells?
4. What skills should I increase?

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-641-geef9d7f (tiles) character file.

Loasi the Markscentaur (Centaur Hunter)            Turns: 27804, Time: 01:39:27

Health: 117/117    AC: 14    Str: 21    XL:     13   Next: 55%
Magic:  21/21      EV: 10    Int: 10    God:    Okawaru [*****.]
Gold:   1382       SH:  0    Dex: 18    Spells: 12/12 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   i - +1 longbow (flame)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   L - +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}
rPois    .         Spirit   .   M - +1 hat {MR+}
rElec    .         Reflect  .   Q - +0 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   C - +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}
MR       +....                  o - +0 centaur barding (curse)
Stlth    ..........             g - amulet of rage
HPRegen  0.29/turn              l - ring of wizardry
MPRegen  0.17/turn              N - +4 ring of evasion

@: very quick
A: large, hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels.

You have collected 1382 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +6 demon trident
 b - a +2 shortbow of velocity
 i - a +1 longbow of flaming (weapon)
 K - an arbalest
Missiles
 d - 356 arrows (quivered)
 m - 98 bolts
 q - a throwing net {!f}
 u - 8 poisoned javelins
 F - 10 javelins
Armour
 o - a cursed +0 centaur barding (worn)
 C - the +0 pair of fencer's gloves (worn) {+Riposte Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 L - the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" (worn) {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 M - a +1 hat of magic resistance (worn)
 Q - a +0 cloak (worn)
Jewellery
 g - an amulet of rage (around neck)
 l - a ring of wizardry (left hand)
 N - a +4 ring of evasion (right hand)
Wands
 k - a wand of enslavement (25)
 r - a wand of iceblast (7)
 y - a wand of scattershot (2)
 A - a wand of digging (6)
 O - a wand of disintegration (16)
 V - a wand of polymorph (24)
 Z - a wand of paralysis (6)
Scrolls
 c - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 e - a scroll of fog
 t - 4 scrolls of enchant weapon
 B - a scroll of enchant armour
 D - a scroll of identify
 G - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
 R - a scroll of blinking
 U - 3 scrolls of fear
 X - a scroll of immolation
 Y - 2 scrolls of teleportation
Potions
 h - a potion of heal wounds
 j - 2 potions of berserk rage
 n - 5 potions of haste
 p - 3 potions of ambrosia
 s - 2 potions of flight
 v - 2 potions of resistance
 w - a potion of lignification {!q}
 x - 2 potions of brilliance
 z - 3 potions of mutation {!q}
 E - a potion of invisibility
 I - a potion of might
 S - a potion of cancellation
 T - a potion of agility
Books
 H - a book of Geomancy   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Sandblast                    Earth                         1
    b - Passwall                     Transmutation/Earth           2
    c - Stone Arrow                  Conjuration/Earth             3
    d - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    e - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction   Earth                         5
 J - a book of Misfortune   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Confusing Touch              Hexes                         1
    b - Confuse                      Hexes                         3
    c - Gell's Gravitas              Translocation                 3
    d - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    e - Metabolic Englaciation       Hexes/Ice                     5
    f - Yara's Violent Unravelling   Hexes/Transmutation           5
 P - a book of Battle   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Infusion                     Charms                        1
    b - Shroud of Golubria           Charms/Translocation          2
    c - Song of Slaying              Charms                        2
    d - Spectral Weapon              Hexes/Charms                  3
    e - Regeneration                 Charms/Necromancy             3
 W - a book of Conjurations   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Magic Dart                   Conjuration                   1
    b - Searing Ray                  Conjuration                   2
    c - Dazzling Spray               Conjuration/Hexes             3
    d - Fulminant Prism              Conjuration/Hexes             4
    e - Force Lance                  Conjuration/Translocation     4
    f - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast    Conjuration                   4
Comestibles
 f - 23 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 11,8 Fighting
 + Level 17,3 Bows
 - Level 1,3 Dodging
 - Level 0,4 Stealth
 - Level 11,0 Invocations
 + Level 10,6 Evocations


You have 12 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/15)             Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:2       Spider (0/4) Lair:2     
 Slime: Lair:5-6       Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:5 [

Annotations:
D:3 Loasi's ghost, amateur CeHu
D:9 Loasi's ghost, novice CeAM
Lair:4 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin. (AC +3)


Message History

Drop what? 52/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop 26 tomahawks.
You drop a +1 chain mail.
i - a runed longbow; o - a centaur barding
You butcher the centaur corpse of Nessos.
Your pack is full.
Items here: % ( [ ÷
a +1 chain mail; 26 tomahawks; 4 chunks of flesh; the centaur skeleton of Nessos
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on your centaur barding. x4
You finish putting on your cursed +0 centaur barding.
Oops, that feels deathly cold.
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Your +1 longbow of flaming bursts into flame!
i - a +1 longbow of flaming (weapon)
Search for what [Enter for "barding", or ? for help]? book
Unknown command.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Gastronok (Lair:1)
  Nessos (Lair:6)
  3 hydras
  A catoblepas (Lair:4)
  5 death yaks (Lair:3)
  Urug (Lair:4)
  Sonja (Lair:1)
  A lindwurm (Lair:5)
  A wolf spider (Lair:6)
  A guardian serpent (Lair:6)
  6 black mambas
  4 elephants (Lair:6)
  14 spiny frogs
  A merfolk siren (Lair:2)
  2 komodo dragons
  A demonic crawler (Lair:2)
  A polar bear (Lair:3)
  2 hornets
  8 hippogriffs
  6 blink frogs
  6 dream sheep
  A redback (Lair:6)
  7 wyverns
  2 basilisks
  3 spriggans (Lair:2)
  19 yaks
  5 humans
  A steam dragon (Lair:3)
  2 hungry ghosts
  Menkaure (D:5)
  17 water moccasins
  8 porcupines
  3 orc warriors
  3 sky beasts
  A black bear (Lair:3)
  2 ice beasts (D:8)
  A phantom (D:9)
  A necrophage (D:4)
  4 ogres
  4 centaurs
  8 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:8)
  12 bullfrogs
  6 scorpions
  5 wights (D:6)
  2 electric eels
  4 crimson imps
  A bullfrog zombie (D:8)
  A jelly (D:8)
  A quasit (D:8)
  8 orc priests
  A centaur skeleton (D:8)
  2 hounds
  5 orc wizards
  3 bullfrog skeletons
  Ijyb (D:4)
  6 hell rats (Lair:2)
  10 worker ants
  2 killer bee zombies
  A hound zombie (D:5)
  A hound skeleton (D:5)
  11 gnolls
  9 adders
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:7)
  A shadow imp (D:5)
  2 oozes
  An adder zombie (D:8)
  4 worms
  3 dart slugs
  5 leopard geckos
  39 orcs
  7 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  16 jackals
  3 quokkas
  4 ball pythons
  8 bats
  2 frilled lizards
  A giant cockroach zombie (D:6)
  17 kobolds
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:7)
  5 rats
  3 fungi
  3 plants
395 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A bush (Lair:6)
  33 fungi
  35 plants
69 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 464 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Loasi the Centaur Hunter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 17/17 MP: 1/1
   447 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 23/24 MP: 2/2
   554 | D:1      | Reached skill level 6 in Bows
  1418 | D:2      | Noticed a sky beast
  1508 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 29/29 MP: 3/3
  1646 | D:2      | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
  1646 | D:4      | Noticed a scorpion
  1662 | D:4      | Noticed Ijyb
  1676 | D:4      | Killed Ijyb
  1676 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Bows
  1714 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  1744 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  1744 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Bows
  1744 | D:4      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 36/36 MP: 4/4
  1744 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 41/41 MP: 5/5
  1846 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Bows
  2015 | D:4      | Noticed a necrophage
  2029 | D:4      | Killed a necrophage
  2029 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Bows
  2029 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 48/48 MP: 6/6
  2484 | D:2      | Killed a sky beast
  2780 | D:2      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  2784 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  2788 | D:2      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  2791 | D:2      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  3198 | D:3      | Noticed Loasi's ghost (amateur CeHu)
  3452 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 35/55 MP: 7/7
  4206 | D:4      | Reached skill level 11 in Bows
  4206 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  4206 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  4604 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4653 | D:5      | Found Quiff's Antique Armour Emporium.
  4925 | D:5      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  4927 | D:5      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  5070 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Okawaru
  5249 | D:5      | Noticed Menkaure
  5258 | D:5      | Killed Menkaure
  5258 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 32/63 MP: 8/10
  5619 | D:5      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  7456 | D:6      | Reached skill level 12 in Bows
  7574 | D:6      | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
  7815 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7815 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 74/74 MP: 12/12
  8461 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  8772 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8778 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
 10653 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 11167 | D:8      | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
 11306 | D:8      | Reached skill level 13 in Bows
 12113 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 84/84 MP: 11/14
 12895 | D:8      | Paralysed by a hornet for 2 turns
 13357 | D:9      | Noticed Loasi's ghost (novice CeAM)
 14265 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 14921 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 14974 | Lair:1   | Noticed Sonja
 15078 | Lair:1   | Killed Sonja
 15078 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Okawaru
 15078 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 15551 | Lair:1   | Noticed Gastronok
 15595 | Lair:1   | Killed Gastronok
 15595 | Lair:1   | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru
 15595 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 14 in Bows
 15595 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 62/94 MP: 15/17
 15839 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 16333 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 16351 | Lair:2   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 16614 | Lair:2   | Found the +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}
 17218 | Lair:2   | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
 17308 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 17965 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 17990 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 18027 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 19017 | Lair:3   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 19148 | Lair:3   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 19363 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 15 in Bows
 19590 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19611 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19611 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19627 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19627 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19627 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19697 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19733 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19763 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19807 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19807 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19807 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 19807 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 88/105 MP: 16/19
 19889 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19923 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19923 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 21293 | Lair:4   | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
 21293 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 21307 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 21347 | Lair:4   | Noticed a catoblepas
 21371 | Lair:4   | Noticed Urug
 22284 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 22320 | Lair:4   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 22336 | Lair:4   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 22463 | Lair:4   | Killed Urug
 22906 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 16 in Bows
 23396 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 23917 | Lair:4   | Killed a catoblepas
 24203 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 25415 | Lair:2   | Got a pearl-encrusted scale mail
 25426 | Lair:2   | Identified the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 25492 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 107/115 MP: 21/21
 26348 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 26383 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 27039 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27279 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 17 in Bows
 27460 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27768 | Lair:6   | Noticed Nessos
 27782 | Lair:6   | Killed Nessos

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 |
---------------+----------------------------------------+-----
Bows           |     6  8    10    11 12 13 14 15 16 17 | 17,3
Invocations    |                    2  4  6  8 10 11    | 11,0
Evocations     |                    2  3  5  7  8  9 10 | 10,6
Fighting       |                    3  5  6  8  9 10 11 | 11,8
Dodging        |                                        |  1,3
Stealth        |                                        |  0,4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    64 |     8 |       |       |       ||    72
       Kick              |    11 |    18 |    96 |   122 |    43 ||   290
       Shortbow          |     3 |       |       |       |       ||     3
       Flail             |       |    83 |   423 |    20 |       ||   526
       Morningstar       |       |       |    30 |       |       ||    30
       Trident           |       |       |     9 |   392 |       ||   401
       Punch             |       |       |       |     3 |     3 ||     6
       Demon trident     |       |       |       |    66 |    74 ||   140
 Fire: Shortbow          |    20 |    19 |   189 |   666 |   145 ||  1039
Throw: Javelin           |       |       |     2 |       |       ||     2
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |    16 |    49 |     9 ||    74
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
  Use: Scroll            |     2 |       |    13 |    15 |     1 ||    31
       Potion            |       |       |     2 |     3 |     1 ||     6
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     5 |    21 |    24 |     7 ||    58
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |     4 |       ||     5
Armor: Leather armour    |    12 |       |       |       |       ||    12
       Scale mail        |    28 |       |       |     1 |    43 ||    72
       Chain mail        |       |    84 |   425 |   444 |       ||   953
Dodge: Dodged            |    39 |    37 |   145 |   301 |   102 ||   624
Rpst.: Trident           |       |       |       |    11 |       ||    11
       Shortbow          |       |       |       |    10 |    10 ||    20
       Demon trident     |       |       |       |     5 |    25 ||    30

Table legend:
 A = Spawn XP
 B = Non-spawn XP
 C = Spawn XP percentage of total XP
 D = Spawn monster count
 E = Non-spawn monster count
 F = Spawn count percentage of total count
 G = Total turns spent on level

                 A         B        C        D         E        F        G   
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
      Total |       0 |   52676 |   0,0 |       0 |     389 |   0,0 |   27804
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
        D:1 |       0 |      31 |   0,0 |       0 |      19 |   0,0 |    1464
        D:2 |       0 |     184 |   0,0 |       0 |      16 |   0,0 |    1128
        D:3 |       0 |     117 |   0,0 |       0 |      15 |   0,0 |     897
        D:4 |       0 |     660 |   0,0 |       0 |      14 |   0,0 |    1120
        D:5 |       0 |    1155 |   0,0 |       0 |      27 |   0,0 |    2397
        D:6 |       0 |    1134 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    2159
        D:7 |       0 |    1552 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    1883
        D:8 |       0 |    2208 |   0,0 |       0 |      75 |   0,0 |    2920
        D:9 |       0 |    1224 |   0,0 |       0 |      23 |   0,0 |     951
     Lair:1 |       0 |    4495 |   0,0 |       0 |      13 |   0,0 |    1934
     Lair:2 |       0 |    4444 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    1767
     Lair:3 |       0 |   10201 |   0,0 |       0 |      30 |   0,0 |    3193
     Lair:4 |       0 |    7932 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    3005
     Lair:5 |       0 |    4001 |   0,0 |       0 |      16 |   0,0 |    1913
     Lair:6 |       0 |   13338 |   0,0 |       0 |      41 |   0,0 |    1071
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------



[bel]

On a CeHu, you typically you want to wear heavy armour and wield a two-handed weapon (so that you can use bows/crossbows). For now, you can wield the demon trident as your melee weapon, but you probably want to use a two-handed weapon later on. Longbow of flaming is good for ranged.

Okawaru could eventually give you better weapons and armour, but don't depend on it.

Whether you should learn spells or not depends on how you want to play. You can play either way. Spectral weapon is good.

You have enough Evo. I would stop training evo/invo and start training armour. You can also start training polearms for melee, but you can get by with 0 skill for now.

[Airwolf]

So, just killed Nessos (he dropped the longbow and the centaur barding). Questions:

1. what should I use? Should I simply enchant the bow Nessos dropped as much as possible?
2. What should I wear?
3. Should I learn spells?
4. What skills should I increase?

...

1. Yes, use all your enchant scrolls on the longbow of flaming.
2. You're not carrying anything besides what you're wearing and I'm too lazy to find and look through your .lst. What you're wearing looks fine. Something besides the ring of wizardry would be an improvement, but maybe there is nothing useful. Use your scroll of enchant armour, on either the hat or cloak.
3. I probably wouldn't pick up spells now, but Spectral Weapon and the demon trident are strong. And Regeneration.
4. Train Armour until you get a few cheap points of AC. Then Dodging. Then Fighting. You can take Bows to 20, then stop, but you should be using Heroism for every non-trivial fight, so you don't need to train more Bows (and could have stopped at 15). Fighting + some Armour and Dodging for the rest of the game (stop the latter two at 22 because of Heroism). Ideally, you use bows to kill everything hard, but consider whether you want to train a melee weapon for your sanity. If you do train melee, don't forget to use the bow in tough fights! Also, use Finesse in really tough fights.

[Zhorgal]

I went to the obvious places and have more questions:

1. Considering armour, I think the best one is the one I'm using. +1 CPA gives me much more AC though.
2. Oka gave me a longbow of velocity. It's probably better than the one I'm using atm since it works against everything right? Too bad I invested a bunch of scrolls but they did make my travels so far a breeze.
3. Shoals, spider or Elf? Frankly, I hate all of them. Spider can kill me very, very quickly I think. Shoals is, well, shoals. I using ranged so it's probably easier but both my AC and EV are pretty laughable. I have MR++++ but no other resists. Is Elf better atm?

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-641-geef9d7f (tiles) character file.

Loasi the Markscentaur (Centaur Hunter)            Turns: 41284, Time: 03:01:24

Health: 147/147    AC: 18    Str: 22    XL:     16   Next: 8%
Magic:  34/34      EV: 14    Int: 10    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   1028       SH:  0    Dex: 19    Spells: 3/15 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   b - +7 longbow (flame)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   L - +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}
rPois    .         Spirit   +   M - +2 hat {MR+}
rElec    .         Reflect  .   t - +0 cloak "Pubitawu" {MR+ MP+9 Stlth+}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   C - +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}
MR       ++++.                  o - +0 centaur barding
Stlth    +.........             J - amulet of guardian spirit
HPRegen  0.34/turn              i - ring of protection from magic
MPRegen  0.24/turn              N - +4 ring of evasion

@: very quick
A: large, hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 2 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels.

You have collected 2807 gold pieces.
You have spent 1779 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +6 demon trident of freezing
 b - a +7 longbow of flaming (weapon)
 B - a +2 longbow of velocity
Missiles
 d - 1014 arrows (quivered)
 m - 160 bolts
 q - a throwing net {!f}
Armour
 o - a +0 centaur barding (worn)
 t - the +0 cloak "Pubitawu" (worn) {MR+ MP+9 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
   It makes you more stealthy.
 C - the +0 pair of fencer's gloves (worn) {+Riposte Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 H - the +2 ring mail of Orphaop {Slay+3}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
 K - a +1 crystal plate armour
 L - the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" (worn) {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 M - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn)
Jewellery
 g - an uncursed amulet of rage
 i - a ring of protection from magic (left hand)
 l - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 J - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck)
 N - a +4 ring of evasion (right hand)
Wands
 k - a wand of enslavement (25)
 r - a wand of iceblast (18)
 y - a wand of scattershot (6)
 A - a wand of digging (6)
 O - a wand of disintegration (16)
 Q - a wand of flame (44)
 V - a wand of polymorph (24)
 Z - a wand of paralysis (16)
Scrolls
 c - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 e - a scroll of fog
 D - 6 scrolls of identify
 G - 8 scrolls of magic mapping
 R - 2 scrolls of blinking
 U - 3 scrolls of fear
 X - 2 scrolls of immolation
 Y - 5 scrolls of teleportation
Potions
 h - 4 potions of heal wounds
 j - 4 potions of berserk rage
 n - 9 potions of haste
 p - 4 potions of ambrosia
 s - 3 potions of flight
 v - 3 potions of resistance
 w - 2 potions of lignification {!q}
 x - 4 potions of brilliance
 z - 3 potions of mutation {!q}
 E - 4 potions of invisibility
 I - 3 potions of might
 S - a potion of cancellation
 T - 2 potions of agility
 W - 4 potions of curing
Miscellaneous
 P - a lightning rod (4/4)
Comestibles
 f - 38 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 14,6 Fighting
 + Level 20,2 Bows
 + Level 5,5 Armour
 + Level 5,8 Dodging
 - Level 0,4 Stealth
 - Level 11,0 Invocations
 - Level 12,0 Evocations


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #.........   80%         2    ###....
b - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #.........   95%         3    ####...
c - Summon Lightning Spi  Summ/Air       #.......     100%        4    #####..
d - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #.......     95%         3    ####...


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:2       Spider (0/4) Lair:2        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 [   D:11 [   D:15 }   Orc:1 [   Orc:2 !(=[

Annotations:
D:3 Loasi's ghost, amateur CeHu
D:9 Loasi's ghost, novice CeAM
Lair:4 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:6 1 runed door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin. (AC +3)


Message History

s - 3 potions of flight (gained 1)
Thank you for shopping at Voud's Distillery!
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Drop what? 51/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop the +5 chain mail of the Lair of Beasts {rC- MR- Str+4 Int+4}.
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You start removing your armour.
You continue taking off the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}. x4
You finish taking off the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}.
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on your +1 crystal plate armour. x5
You finish putting on your +1 crystal plate armour.
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You start removing your armour.
You continue taking off your +1 crystal plate armour. x4
You finish taking off your +1 crystal plate armour.
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}. x5
You finish putting on the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3}.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Frances (D:13)
  Gastronok (Lair:1)
  A sphinx (D:12)
  Kirke (Lair:6)
  Nessos (Lair:6)
  Snorg (D:14)
  Josephine (D:12)
  Erolcha (Orc:2)
  3 hydras
  5 centaur warriors
  2 catoblepae
  4 ogre magi
  22 two-headed ogres
  5 death yaks (Lair:3)
  A death knight (D:15)
  2 tengu warriors
  An orc high priest (Orc:2)
  Urug (Lair:4)
  5 skeletal warriors
  Sonja (Lair:1)
  4 unseen horrors
  A flayed ghost (D:15)
  A necromancer (D:15)
  A lindwurm (Lair:5)
  7 ugly things
  A wolf spider (Lair:6)
  An iron dragon zombie (D:15)
  3 deep elf magi
  2 orc knights (D:12)
  3 harpies (D:14)
  A manticore (D:13)
  4 orc sorcerers (Orc:2)
  A cyclops (D:12)
  A guardian serpent (Lair:6)
  7 black mambas
  4 elephants (Lair:6)
  4 centaur zombies
  17 spiny frogs
  A merfolk siren (Lair:2)
  2 gargoyles
  A spriggan zombie (D:15)
  2 kobold demonologists (D:11)
  3 komodo dragons
  A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  An efreet (D:13)
  A demonic crawler (Lair:2)
  A tengu conjurer (D:14)
  A freezing wraith (D:15)
  4 trolls
  A merfolk (D:13)
  3 meliai (D:15)
  A polar bear (Lair:3)
  2 hornets
  8 slime creatures
  A harpy skeleton (D:15)
  14 hippogriffs
  8 blink frogs
  15 dream sheep
  2 redbacks (Lair:6)
  2 deep troll skeletons (D:15)
  A shadow (D:12)
  5 wraiths
  13 wyverns
  7 basilisks
  A vampire (D:11)
  3 spriggans (Lair:2)
  19 yaks
  6 humans
  2 steam dragons
  13 vampire mosquitoes
  3 hungry ghosts
  Menkaure (D:5)
  2 acid dragons (Lair:6)
  A soldier ant (D:12)
  23 water moccasins
  3 swamp drakes (Lair:6)
  8 porcupines
  23 orc warriors
  4 sky beasts
  A black bear (Lair:3)
  A hornet zombie (D:13)
  4 ice beasts
  3 phantoms
  A necrophage (D:4)
  19 ogres
  10 wolves
  23 centaurs
  3 boggarts
  15 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds
  17 bullfrogs
  10 scorpions
  10 killer bees
  9 wights
  3 electric eels
  9 crimson imps
  2 bullfrog zombies
  A jelly (D:8)
  A quasit (D:8)
  30 orc priests
  8 centaur skeletons
  5 hounds
  30 orc wizards
  3 bullfrog skeletons
  Ijyb (D:4)
  6 hell rats (Lair:2)
  5 iguanas
  14 worker ants
  2 killer bee zombies
  A hound zombie (D:5)
  A hound skeleton (D:5)
  A worker ant zombie (D:10)
  11 gnolls
  11 adders
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:7)
  6 shadow imps
  2 oozes
  An adder zombie (D:8)
  4 worms
  3 dart slugs
  5 leopard geckos
  83 orcs
  7 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  16 jackals
  4 quokkas
  4 ball pythons
  8 bats
  2 frilled lizards
  A giant cockroach zombie (D:6)
  20 kobolds
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:7)
  5 rats
  3 fungi
  4 plants
  A withered plant (D:14)
806 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Erica (D:11)
1 creature vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An unseen horror (D:15)
  A boggart (D:15)
  A crocodile (Lair:6)
  A bush (Lair:6)
  35 fungi
  38 plants
  4 withered plants (D:15)
81 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 888 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Loasi the Centaur Hunter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 17/17 MP: 1/1
   447 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 23/24 MP: 2/2
   554 | D:1      | Reached skill level 6 in Bows
  1418 | D:2      | Noticed a sky beast
  1508 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 29/29 MP: 3/3
  1646 | D:2      | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
  1646 | D:4      | Noticed a scorpion
  1662 | D:4      | Noticed Ijyb
  1676 | D:4      | Killed Ijyb
  1676 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Bows
  1714 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  1744 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  1744 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Bows
  1744 | D:4      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 36/36 MP: 4/4
  1744 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 41/41 MP: 5/5
  1846 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Bows
  2015 | D:4      | Noticed a necrophage
  2029 | D:4      | Killed a necrophage
  2029 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Bows
  2029 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 48/48 MP: 6/6
  2484 | D:2      | Killed a sky beast
  2780 | D:2      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  2784 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  2788 | D:2      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  2791 | D:2      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  3198 | D:3      | Noticed Loasi's ghost (amateur CeHu)
  3452 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 35/55 MP: 7/7
  4206 | D:4      | Reached skill level 11 in Bows
  4206 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  4206 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  4604 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4653 | D:5      | Found Quiff's Antique Armour Emporium.
  4925 | D:5      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  4927 | D:5      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  5070 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Okawaru
  5249 | D:5      | Noticed Menkaure
  5258 | D:5      | Killed Menkaure
  5258 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 32/63 MP: 8/10
  5619 | D:5      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  7456 | D:6      | Reached skill level 12 in Bows
  7574 | D:6      | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
  7815 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7815 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 74/74 MP: 12/12
  8461 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  8772 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8778 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
 10653 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 11167 | D:8      | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
 11306 | D:8      | Reached skill level 13 in Bows
 12113 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 84/84 MP: 11/14
 12895 | D:8      | Paralysed by a hornet for 2 turns
 13357 | D:9      | Noticed Loasi's ghost (novice CeAM)
 14265 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 14921 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 14974 | Lair:1   | Noticed Sonja
 15078 | Lair:1   | Killed Sonja
 15078 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Okawaru
 15078 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 15551 | Lair:1   | Noticed Gastronok
 15595 | Lair:1   | Killed Gastronok
 15595 | Lair:1   | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru
 15595 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 14 in Bows
 15595 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 62/94 MP: 15/17
 15839 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 16333 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 16351 | Lair:2   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 16614 | Lair:2   | Found the +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}
 17218 | Lair:2   | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
 17308 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 17965 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 17990 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 18027 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 19017 | Lair:3   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 19148 | Lair:3   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 19363 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 15 in Bows
 19590 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19611 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19611 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19627 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19627 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19627 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19697 | Lair:3   | Noticed a death yak
 19733 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19763 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19807 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19807 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19807 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 19807 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 88/105 MP: 16/19
 19889 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19923 | Lair:3   | Killed a death yak
 19923 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 21293 | Lair:4   | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
 21293 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 21307 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 21347 | Lair:4   | Noticed a catoblepas
 21371 | Lair:4   | Noticed Urug
 22284 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 22320 | Lair:4   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 22336 | Lair:4   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 22463 | Lair:4   | Killed Urug
 22906 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 16 in Bows
 23396 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 23917 | Lair:4   | Killed a catoblepas
 24203 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 25415 | Lair:2   | Got a pearl-encrusted scale mail
 25426 | Lair:2   | Identified the +1 scale mail "Epumiu" {+Inv Str+3 Dex+3} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 25492 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 107/115 MP: 21/21
 26348 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 26383 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 27039 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27279 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 17 in Bows
 27460 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27768 | Lair:6   | Noticed Nessos
 27782 | Lair:6   | Killed Nessos
 27997 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 28099 | Lair:6   | Noticed Kirke
 28784 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 29115 | Lair:6   | Found a runed door.
 29115 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 29115 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 29115 | Lair:6   | Noticed an acid blob
 29115 | Lair:6   | Noticed an acid blob
 29169 | Lair:6   | Killed Kirke
 29169 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 29392 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 30657 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 30742 | D:10     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 30745 | D:10     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 127/127 MP: 19/22
 30890 | D:10     | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
 30894 | D:10     | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
 30900 | D:10     | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire
 31456 | D:11     | Reached skill level 18 in Bows
 31559 | D:11     | Found Qocwa's Antique Armour Shoppe.
 31834 | D:11     | Noticed Erica
 31836 | D:11     | Killed Erica
 32334 | D:12     | Noticed a sphinx
 32341 | D:12     | Killed a sphinx
 32341 | D:12     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 32436 | D:12     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 32490 | D:12     | Identified the Catalogue of Fetching Ice
 32855 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 33190 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 33378 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 33682 | Orc:2    | Noticed Erolcha
 33963 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 33976 | Orc:2    | Killed Erolcha
 34324 | Orc:2    | Found Zawkin's Antique Armour Emporium.
 34324 | Orc:2    | Found Ecall's Jewellery Emporium.
 34333 | Orc:2    | Found Voud's Distillery.
 34343 | Orc:2    | Found Susug's Weapon Shoppe.
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of lignification for 51 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of agility for 68 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought 2 potions of might for 136 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of haste for 170 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of curing for 51 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of curing for 51 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of invisibility for 136 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 85 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of haste for 170 gold pieces
 34347 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 85 gold pieces
 34457 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 35009 | Orc:1    | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 35011 | Orc:1    | Found Uppiekk's Antique Armour Shop.
 35502 | D:12     | Noticed Josephine
 35511 | D:12     | Killed Josephine
 35798 | D:12     | Reached skill level 19 in Bows
 36036 | D:10     | Learned a level 3 spell: Spectral Weapon
 36149 | D:13     | Got a bloodstained cloak
 36160 | D:13     | Identified the +0 cloak "Pubitawu" {MR+ MP+9 Stlth+} (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)
 36858 | D:13     | Noticed Frances
 36879 | D:13     | Killed Frances
 36879 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 36879 | D:13     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 136/136 MP: 24/24
 37115 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 37441 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 37576 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 38548 | D:14     | Noticed Snorg
 38573 | D:14     | Killed Snorg
 39032 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 39500 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 39676 | D:15     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 39778 | D:15     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 39857 | D:15     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 39994 | D:15     | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 40044 | D:15     | Reached skill level 20 in Bows
 40343 | D:15     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 142/147 MP: 25/25
 40378 | D:15     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 40567 | D:15     | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru
 40611 | D:15     | Found Kaerph Cinuw's Gadget Shop.
 41119 | Orc:2    | Bought a smoking ring mail for 216 gold pieces
 41129 | Orc:2    | Identified the +2 ring mail of Orphaop {Slay+3} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 41197 | Orc:1    | Bought a jewelled chain mail for 237 gold pieces
 41212 | Orc:1    | Identified the +5 chain mail of the Lair of Beasts {rC- MR- Str+4 Int+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Orcish Mines)
 41262 | Orc:2    | Bought 2 potions of invisibility for 272 gold pieces
 41262 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of flight for 51 gold pieces

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------+-----
Bows           |     6  8    10    11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 20 | 20,2
Invocations    |                    2  4  6  8 10 11          | 11,0
Evocations     |                    2  3  5  7  8  9 11 12    | 12,0
Fighting       |                    3  5  6  8  9 10 12 13 14 | 14,6
Armour         |                                         2  5 |  5,5
Dodging        |                                         3  5 |  5,8
Stealth        |                                              |  0,4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    64 |     8 |       |       |       |       ||    72
       Kick              |    11 |    18 |    96 |   122 |   175 |     9 ||   431
       Shortbow          |     3 |       |       |       |       |       ||     3
       Flail             |       |    83 |   423 |    20 |       |       ||   526
       Morningstar       |       |       |    30 |       |       |       ||    30
       Trident           |       |       |     9 |   392 |       |       ||   401
       Punch             |       |       |       |     3 |     6 |       ||     9
       Demon trident     |       |       |       |    66 |   353 |    17 ||   436
       Longbow           |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
 Fire: Shortbow          |    20 |    19 |   189 |   666 |   145 |       ||  1039
       Longbow           |       |       |       |       |  1001 |    15 ||  1016
Throw: Javelin           |       |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |    16 |    49 |    50 |     1 ||   116
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     2 |     1 |       ||     3
  Use: Scroll            |     2 |       |    13 |    15 |    12 |       ||    42
       Potion            |       |       |     2 |     3 |     2 |       ||     7
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     5 |    21 |    24 |    39 |     2 ||    92
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |     4 |       |       ||     5
Armor: Leather armour    |    12 |       |       |       |       |       ||    12
       Scale mail        |    28 |       |       |     1 |   323 |    13 ||   365
       Chain mail        |       |    84 |   425 |   444 |       |       ||   953
Dodge: Dodged            |    39 |    37 |   145 |   301 |   434 |    11 ||   967
Rpst.: Trident           |       |       |       |    11 |       |       ||    11
       Shortbow          |       |       |       |    10 |    10 |       ||    20
       Demon trident     |       |       |       |     5 |    63 |     2 ||    70
       Longbow           |       |       |       |       |    28 |       ||    28

Table legend:
 A = Spawn XP
 B = Non-spawn XP
 C = Spawn XP percentage of total XP
 D = Spawn monster count
 E = Non-spawn monster count
 F = Spawn count percentage of total count
 G = Total turns spent on level

                 A         B        C        D         E        F        G   
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
      Total |       0 |  158524 |   0,0 |       0 |     802 |   0,0 |   41284
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
        D:1 |       0 |      31 |   0,0 |       0 |      19 |   0,0 |    1464
        D:2 |       0 |     184 |   0,0 |       0 |      16 |   0,0 |    1128
        D:3 |       0 |     117 |   0,0 |       0 |      15 |   0,0 |     897
        D:4 |       0 |     660 |   0,0 |       0 |      14 |   0,0 |    1120
        D:5 |       0 |    1155 |   0,0 |       0 |      27 |   0,0 |    2397
        D:6 |       0 |    1134 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    2159
        D:7 |       0 |    1552 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    1883
        D:8 |       0 |    2208 |   0,0 |       0 |      75 |   0,0 |    2920
        D:9 |       0 |    1224 |   0,0 |       0 |      23 |   0,0 |    1158
       D:10 |       0 |    1912 |   0,0 |       0 |      23 |   0,0 |     816
       D:11 |       0 |    4536 |   0,0 |       0 |      33 |   0,0 |     944
       D:12 |       0 |   15803 |   0,0 |       0 |      46 |   0,0 |    2088
       D:13 |       0 |   10789 |   0,0 |       0 |      35 |   0,0 |    1373
       D:14 |       0 |   21750 |   0,0 |       0 |      70 |   0,0 |    1901
       D:15 |       0 |   28691 |   0,0 |       0 |      61 |   0,0 |    1406
     Lair:1 |       0 |    4495 |   0,0 |       0 |      13 |   0,0 |    1970
     Lair:2 |       0 |    4444 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    1788
     Lair:3 |       0 |   10201 |   0,0 |       0 |      30 |   0,0 |    3204
     Lair:4 |       0 |    7932 |   0,0 |       0 |      25 |   0,0 |    3021
     Lair:5 |       0 |    5058 |   0,0 |       0 |      22 |   0,0 |    2920
     Lair:6 |       0 |   23939 |   0,0 |       0 |      88 |   0,0 |    2639
      Orc:1 |       0 |     761 |   0,0 |       0 |      13 |   0,0 |     658
      Orc:2 |       0 |    9948 |   0,0 |       0 |      79 |   0,0 |    1428
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------



[Nebukadnezar]

Inv. on armour is strong especially in spider+shoals.
There are merfolk who can sinv but most not.
Make sure that
a) you're flying while inv or not over water
b) contam stays low
c) each battle shouldn't last longer longer than inv.lasts.

Elf is deadly, you will get drowned in summons.

[bel]

Longbow of flaming is better against most targets. If they are fire-resistant (I don't recall anything in Spider or Shoals with rF+), you can switch to the velocity one. Just shooting them enough times with the flaming bow also works.

I would go to Shoals first because monsters are faster in Spider. You can also peek into Elf (and get back out if you feel it's too dangerous): you can often find shops there.

[Airwolf]

Yeah, you're overthinking the bow. The +7 longbow of flaming is better than +2 longbow of velocity in almost every situation, and maybe even every situation due to the enchantment difference.

Not Elf. Spider would be standard, but Shoals might be easier with this character. The Invisibility suggestion is excellent.