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CypherZel wrote:How many skills should I be having on when specialising
CypherZel wrote:what is the maximum amount of skills I should have on at any time
CypherZel wrote:and what indicators should I use to know when to drop a skill, put one on or to stop specialising
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CypherZel wrote:So throughout the entire game, just train a skill until it reaches a whole number value, and usual the one that will benefit me the most at this time as well as cost the least? This pretty much destroys every thin I thought about skilling
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CypherZel wrote:Ah thanks, I just want to be able to win every once and awhile
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Hands wrote:At the moment I believe the best win rates among players who play a variety of characters (sometimes chosen at random) is around 70%. Optimal play isn't going to get you much more than that because sometimes the early dungeon just kills you.
<amalloy> !streak zxc
<Sequell> zxc has 33 consecutive wins (HOBe, DsMo, HaHu, NaIE, FoAK, MfVM, GrFE, TrWn, MiSk, DDGl, CeWr, VSAs, DrWz, HuFi, OgAM, SpEn, KoAr, HECj, VpNe, DEEE, TeSu, FeTm, DgAE, GhCK, OpCj, MuAs, MiWn, TrSk, DDEE, MfAK, GrGl, DrFE, TrAM), and can keep going!
<amalloy> !streak :elliptic
<Sequell> :elliptic has 43 consecutive wins (TeCj, KoEE, VSEE, NaNe, DDFi, KoCj, OpMo, CeCK, DgEE, MiCK, HEAs, VSFi, CeAE, DrAr, OgNe, NaBe, HuAE, SpAM, OpFE, DDAs, FoSk, SpIE, VSSk, GrTm, HOSk, HOGl, MiAK, HuAK, OgHu, DDAr, FoFE, MiWr, DrVM, SpWz, TrVM, GrBe, TrAE, FeCj, MfAs, GhWr, VpIE, DDSu, TrAM) and has won their last 11 games (HESu, GhVM, GhAr, GhHu, GhSk, GhCj, GhCK, GhAK, GrEE, CeEE, DrEE).
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amalloy wrote:If the chance of winning with optimal play were 70%, the probability of an optimal player getting a 43-game win streak would be 2.18381438e-7: a one in five million occurrence. elliptic has played only 613 games, so it is very unlikely that he would luck into such a streak. zxc's streak is of course not quite as unlikely, but still well outside the realm of probability. I think these streaks are strong evidence that you can do a lot better than 70% if you play with extreme caution.
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goodcoolguy wrote:100%
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genericpseudonym wrote:goodcoolguy wrote:100%
Don't forget to take into account the situation where you fall down a shaft trap inside the entrance vault and land on top of a D:4 priest who instantly smites you for more than you have max hp.
I mean that isn't exactly very common but it CAN happen.
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goodcoolguy wrote:The optimal play winrate is about 100%, very slightly less.
edit: taking into account the number of times 43 games have been played by a single player in a row online, you still only knock off a few orders of magnitude. It is still overwhelmingly improbable that you would see streaks of this length if optimal play really resulted in a winrate as low as 70%.
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Sprucery wrote:It would be very interesting to see the winrate for MuCK among the best players...
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Sandman25 wrote:It does not depend on player skill much IMHO. It is decided by Xom.
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sanka wrote:I think it is not true. The faster you are the less chances Xom has to kill you - and you need to be really skillful to reach a low turncount safely.
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