Have armour drops been massively nerfed?


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Post Thursday, 3rd March 2016, 22:52

Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

Playing the latest trunk webtiles, I have fully explored Dungeon down to 15, Lair to 8 and Orc 1. And... not a single ego armour. In fact no body armour at all better than plain +0.

I've heard of the clustering illusion, but without having conducted a statistical analysis, this seems far enough away from what I would expect at this stage of the game that I'm thinking it must be due to a change in the way armour worn by monsters is generated.
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Post Thursday, 3rd March 2016, 23:06

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

clustering

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Post Thursday, 3rd March 2016, 23:08

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

post your lst....answer is no though
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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 00:02

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

Jeremiah wrote:I'm thinking it must be due to a change in the way armour worn by monsters is generated.

You'd be incorrect, sorry.

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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 04:30

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

If I play a species that can not wear armor, one of more enhanced armors are often on each level. If I play a character that can wear armor, I am lucky to see anything more than what is useless to me. :) It is a plot, the Gods are conspiring against us!

Oh, and the same goes for weapons. How many artifact bucklers can an ogre pass by?

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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 05:27

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

.. I've not gotten a single cloak until Zot. As in, just a +0 cloak, not anything special. This is also statistically expected, just rare. Sometimes no plate armour at all shows up until after Lair.

IMO these kinds of topics are mainly posted because our intuitions about what 'random' means is much less random than actual (pseudo-)randomness - eg. swinging 100 times at a trivial enemy and missing every time is merely very improbable.

Naga barding is another example; people say that you never get Naga barding as a naga. But I strongly suspect this is because they play less Nagas than other species, and don't account for this -- ie. base rate neglect.
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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 05:42

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

savageorange wrote:Naga barding is another example; people say that you never get Naga barding as a naga. But I strongly suspect this is because they play less Nagas than other species, and don't account for this -- ie. base rate neglect.

This is very true, and yet will not do one thing to stop me from bitching about it from time to time.
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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 05:59

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

There really should be a stickied thread with the title "NOTHING ABOUT LOOT DROPS/OOD MONSTERS HAS CHANGED" and then they can take it down when a change is actually made like 5 years later
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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 07:20

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chequers wrote:clustering

FR bring thanking posts back

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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 08:12

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

Rast wrote:
chequers wrote:clustering

FR bring thanking posts back

+1

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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 08:22

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

johlstei wrote:post your lst....answer is no though


lol, found a randard +0 leather with -cast.

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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 08:50

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

Jeremiah wrote:
johlstei wrote:post your lst....answer is no though


lol, found a randard +0 leather with -cast.

Go Trog and wear it for the lulz

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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 13:28

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

I feel like lately I haven't seen any thanks. Lots of posts have been thankable so this seems outside the bounds of normal or expected. I am forced to conclude that there has been some change in the drop rate of thanks lately

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Post Friday, 4th March 2016, 18:30

Re: Have armour drops been massively nerfed?

Actually, something that has pretty obviously changed is the reduction of Orc from 4 levels to 2. This has got to have an impact on the chance to find armour as orcs are one of the main sources for it.

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