CIP: DEFE of...Dithmenos


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Post Saturday, 9th January 2016, 02:44

CIP: DEFE of...Dithmenos

Okay, so I have a problem. When I see an ecumenical altar I can't help but pray to it. Sometimes it's great, usually it's at least interesting, but sometimes...

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18-a0-1028-g6e46bd4 (webtiles) character file.

Jarlyk2 the Firebug (Deep Elf Fire Elementalist)    Turns: 1571, Time: 00:05:25

Health: 19/19      AC:  2    Str:  5    XL:     3   Next: 82%
Magic:  10/10      EV: 13    Int: 20    God:    Dithmenos [*.....]
Gold:   25         SH:  0    Dex: 15    Spells: 3 memorised, 3 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    g - +0 dagger
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    a - +0 robe
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (no shield)
rPois  .          Spirit   .    (no helmet)
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    (no cloak)
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    (no gloves)
SustAt .          Harm     .    (no boots)
MR     .....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  ++........               (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: wreathed by umbra, not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion


You are on level 2 of the Dungeon.
You worship Dithmenos.
Dithmenos is aware of your devotion.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 2 of its levels.

You have collected 25 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 g - a +0 dagger (weapon)
Armour
 a - a +0 robe (worn)
Wands
 r - a wand of flame
Scrolls
 d - a scroll labeled MEURPH TUOS
 f - a scroll labeled RAUC FILLENEEWK
 i - a scroll labeled IKKAIL JONY
 k - 2 scrolls labeled IGO YSUGIEGOISODE
 o - a scroll labeled NEUTTU CYNOZYHOMM
 s - a scroll labeled PIPNET WAOKE
Potions
 e - a bubbling puce potion
 n - a yellow potion
 q - a ruby potion
Books
 b - a book of Flames   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Flame Tongue                 Conjuration/Fire              1
    b - Throw Flame                  Conjuration/Fire              2
    c - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    d - Inner Flame                  Hexes/Fire                    3
    e - Sticky Flame                 Conjuration/Fire              4
    f - Fireball                     Conjuration/Fire              5
   
   
   Dithmenos disapproves of the use of such an item.
Comestibles
 c - a bread ration
 h - a beef jerky
 j - 3 fruits
 l - a slice of pizza
 m - 2 chunks of flesh
 p - a meat ration


   Skills:
 - Level 2.4 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 + Level 3.6 Spellcasting
 * Level 2.6 Conjurations
 * Level 4.1 Fire Magic


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      ###..        3%          1    None
b - Throw Flame           Conj/Fire      ###...       6%          2    ##.....
c - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ###.....     12%         3    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (2/15)           

Altars:
Dithmenos
Qazlal

Message History

You kill the worm!
You see here a worm corpse.
You butcher the worm corpse.
m - 5 chunks of flesh (gained 2)
You start resting.
Your magical contamination has completely faded away.
You start resting.
Magic restored.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
There is a faded altar to an unknown god here.
This altar will convert you to a god. You cannot discern which. Do you pray?
Okay, then.
This altar will convert you to a god. You cannot discern which. Do you pray?
Dithmenos accepts your prayer!
Dithmenos welcomes you!
You are shrouded in an aura of darkness!
Okay, then.
Casting: Flame Tongue
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Okay, then.

    #######
    .......######
    ##..........#
    .......8....#
    .#.#..8.8...######
    .....8.@.8.......#
    ......8.8..#####.#
### #......8...#   #.#
#.. ...........#   #.#
#.# ##.#.##..###   #.#
#.#  #.#.##.##     #.#
#.####.#..#.########.##
#.##..................#
#.##......########.#..#


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  2 adders (D:2)
  A worm (D:2)
  2 giant geckos (D:1)
  3 giant cockroaches (D:1)
  7 goblins
  4 hobgoblins (D:1)
  2 jackals (D:1)
  A quokka (D:2)
  2 bats (D:1)
  A giant newt (D:1)
  6 kobolds
  5 rats
36 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Jarlyk2 the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6
   244 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 6/8
   658 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Flame
   786 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 17/19 MP: 6/9
   794 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
  1138 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Fire Magic
  1209 | D:2      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  1487 | D:2      | Found a faded altar to an unknown god.
  1571 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of Dithmenos the Shadowed
  1571 | D:2      | Reached * piety under Dithmenos


Action                   || total
-------------------------++-------
Melee: Dagger            ||    12
 Cast: Flame Tongue      ||    72
       Throw Flame       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             ||     2


Maybe I'll see if I can salvage it by training Stealth and hoping I find some Hexes...
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Post Sunday, 10th January 2016, 05:41

Re: CIP: DEFE of...Dithmenos

I would go upstairs and all of your scrolls because you need stuff IDed and you might have an acquirement scroll. I would aqurire a book in this very unusual case. Honestly you don't need to find hexes, you need to find any low level book. Dith works great with (non fire) conjurations because of shadow mimicry. He doesn't help summons but you can just use the stealth boost and be ok if you find a summoning book. I don't care for an enchanter style of play on races that aren't like Sp (can run away when hexes fail) or Vp ( have a resonable HP apt, good hexes apt, and can bat form+ run away when hexes fail) but it can work.

TLDR; take whatever non-fire book you can get

Dithmenos wrath is nasty and probably even worse than losing you spells at this point. I would try to get some defences as well as stealth and short blades at this point. A blowgun could save you. Also, if you can find some good thrown weapons/get a bow+arrows you could be in ok shape. Dith works great with a hunter style and DE actualy have a good apt from bows and a pretty good throwing apt (curses to the DE throwing apt nerf. +1 throwing made DEBe a nice fun combo.)

BTW dith isn't really a stabber god. More stealth is nice for stabbers, but shadow mimicry is insane for ranged weapon users and pretty good for conjurers. It even boosts non UC melee damage. You also don't need to be a stabber to benefit from stealth.
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Post Sunday, 10th January 2016, 13:32

Re: CIP: DEFE of...Dithmenos

He didn't end up surviving much longer. No luck finding an acquirement scroll and ultimately he spent most of the rest of the time running for his life, until finally an unexpected worm cut off his escape path. He did find a sling, which gave me some hope, but it was too little, too late. I probably could've survived a bit longer if I'd used the Digging wand, but I think at that point I'd resigned myself to the death. :)

I do like Dithmenos for conjurers; I've done that before and the damage amplification is nice. I've used her on a stabber before for cheeky shadow-step kills on sleeping enemies, though I've also had that backfire.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18-a0-1028-g6e46bd4 (webtiles) character file.

144 Jarlyk2 the Firebug (level 5, -3/28 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Fire Elementalist on Jan 9, 2016.
             Was a Follower of Dithmenos.
             Slain by a worm (4 damage)
             ... on level 3 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:18:10 (4147 turns).

Jarlyk2 the Firebug (Deep Elf Fire Elementalist)    Turns: 4147, Time: 00:18:11

Health: -3/28      AC:  6    Str:  5    XL:     5   Next: 5%
Magic:  12/12      EV: 13    Int: 21    God:    Dithmenos [*.....]
Gold:   89         SH:  0    Dex: 15    Spells: 2 memorised, 6 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    a - +1 dagger
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    g - +1 robe
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (no shield)
rPois  .          Spirit   .    (no helmet)
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    (no cloak)
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    (no gloves)
SustAt .          Harm     .    f - +2 pair of boots
MR     .....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  +++.......               (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: wreathed by umbra, not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion


You were on level 3 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Dithmenos.
Dithmenos was aware of your devotion.
You were hungry.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 4 of its levels.

You collected 89 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +1 dagger (weapon)
 b - a +0 hunting sling
Missiles
 e - 29 stones (quivered)
Armour
 f - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 g - a +1 robe (worn)
Wands
 m - a wand of digging (18/24)
Scrolls
 k - a scroll of remove curse
Books
 d - a book of Flames   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Flame Tongue                 Conjuration/Fire              1
    b - Throw Flame                  Conjuration/Fire              2
    c - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    d - Inner Flame                  Hexes/Fire                    3
    e - Sticky Flame                 Conjuration/Fire              4
    f - Fireball                     Conjuration/Fire              5
   
   
   Dithmenos disapproves of the use of such an item.
Comestibles
 c - 2 bread rations
 h - a beef jerky
 j - 3 fruits
 p - a meat ration


   Skills:
 + Level 2.0 Short Blades
 - Level 2.4 Dodging
 + Level 3.7 Stealth
 - Level 3.6 Spellcasting
 - Level 2.6 Conjurations
 - Level 4.1 Fire Magic


You had 6 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Throw Flame           Conj/Fire      ###...       6%          2    ##.....
c - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ###.....     12%         3    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (4/15)           
Temple: D:4-7       

Altars:
Dithmenos
Pakellas
Qazlal

Annotations:
D:3 Robin

Message History

You hit the goblin.
The goblin is moderately wounded.
You hit the goblin.
The goblin is almost dead.
The goblin misses you.
You barely miss the goblin.
The goblin is severely wounded.
The goblin barely misses you.
You closely miss the goblin.
The goblin is severely wounded.
The goblin misses you. The worm bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You hit the goblin.
The goblin is almost dead.
The goblin barely misses you.
You hit the goblin.
You kill the goblin!
Dithmenos accepts your kill.
The worm bites you.
You die...

,*                #..##8_,,_,,_8*
,*                #..#*##**8*****
,*                #..# #.##***,#
,*                ##w##*..# *,.#*
,*                 #..##..##*..#*
,*                 ##..##..#..##.
,*             ######.[..........
,*             #.w....###.##.###*
,*             #@###### #.##.#
,*             #)#      #.##.#
**             #w#      #.##.#
*              #g#      #....#
#####   ########.# ########..#
K...##  #.w.gg...# #.....^...#
##..w####.######.# #.######.##
.....g.)..#    #.# #.######.#
.....###########.# #......#.#


You could see 2 worms and Robin.

Vanquished Creatures
  6 adders
  3 worms
  4 giant geckos
  2 orcs (D:3)
  2 ball pythons
  5 giant cockroaches
  16 goblins
  7 hobgoblins
  2 jackals (D:1)
  3 quokkas
  3 bats
  4 giant newts
  8 kobolds
  6 rats
71 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Jarlyk2 the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6
   244 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 6/8
   658 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Flame
   786 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 17/19 MP: 6/9
   794 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
  1138 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Fire Magic
  1209 | D:2      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  1487 | D:2      | Found a faded altar to an unknown god.
  1571 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of Dithmenos the Shadowed
  1571 | D:2      | Reached * piety under Dithmenos
  1588 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 17/24 MP: 11/11
  1957 | D:2      | Found an oddly glowing altar of Pakellas.
  2645 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
  2950 | D:3      | Noticed Robin
  4107 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 21/28 MP: 12/12
  4145 | D:3      | HP: 1/28 [worm (7)]
  4147 | D:3      | Slain by a worm

Vault maps used:
D:1:      dpeg_arrival_solitude, minmay_misc_feat_square
D:2:      johnstein_pakellas_dig, nicolae_qazlal_general_emergency,
          ecumenical_altar_2, minmay_misc_feat_pillars
D:3:      gammafunk_temple_overflow_claw, first_bread, uniq_robin
D:4:      temple_green, enter_ossuary_1, st_stairs_12, uniq_pikel

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |    17 |   255 ||   272
 Fire: Hunting sling     |       |    29 ||    29
 Cast: Flame Tongue      |    72 |       ||    72
       Throw Flame       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 ||    10
       Potion            |       |     5 ||     5
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |     4 ||     4
  Eat: Chunk             |     2 |     7 ||     9
       Pizza             |       |     1 ||     1

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Post Sunday, 10th January 2016, 13:45

Re: CIP: DEFE of...Dithmenos

I often end up leaving the ecumenical god ASAP if I am very unhappy (jivya for example). This is sometimes survivable because some of the wraths are tied to level gain, and going from lvl 5->7 is one or two dungeon floors.

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