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Why was a temporary ban necessary?
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Sandman25 wrote:That would be awesome to stop hypocrisy.
Sandman25 wrote:There are some narrow-minded or stubborn or evil actions of devs (all these words are ok, right?).
Sandman25 wrote:It is especially angering me because they recognized the problems and improved description of player ghosts, added AC/EV bars but no, they don't want to make life of players too easy.
Sandman25 wrote:Garbage is when devs are hiding that Ettin can do 116 damage per attack . . . You have already confessed that you enjoy new players dying, please stop talking about caring about new players.
Sandman25 wrote:1) devs want to punish players for playing offline without internet connection.
2) devs enjoy watching big number of players in #crawl
3) devs want to create some elite club of players who play better because they use sequel and don't die to unknown monsters ("Caustik Shrike? It should be weak, it's only Depths 2 but let's check it in sequel anyway").
4) devs hate players and enjoy that they must use alt-tab and type unnecessary commands
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tedric wrote:I'm not second-guessing the decision, because I do think Sandman25 is irrationally stubborn about the numbers thing and was pretty literally asking for a reprimand in-thread. But when a moderator who is also a dev bans somebody for provoking the devs...it doesn't look great.
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Lasty wrote:But we do have a written policy about personal insults, and calling a specific set of community members "evil," and "narrow-minded" does qualify as a personal insult.
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Berder wrote:Lasty wrote:But we do have a written policy about personal insults, and calling a specific set of community members "evil," and "narrow-minded" does qualify as a personal insult.
The difference matters because personal insults are extremely toxic to discussion. They make the insulted party feel personally attacked and upset, which makes them want to escalate and retaliate in some way, and makes it hard to stay neutral and reasonable. If you're instead going after a nebulous group without naming individuals, then nobody in particular is being personally attacked and doesn't (or in most cases, shouldn't) have the same reason to get mad and retaliate.
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byrel wrote:Yes, but when you're arguing with a specific member of that group and make a broad insult to their group without excluding them in any way, it's still effectively a personal insult. It still makes them feel personally attacked. It's at best a transparent evasion of the letter of the law. Of course, evading this wasn't sandman's intent; he even admitted his behavior was bad in that thread. He was intending it quite personally to the devs who are adamantly refusing his ideas for the game without giving sufficient cause (from his perspective). That's a very small group of people, including dpeg who he was arguing with in thread.
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gammafunk wrote:A personal insult can be one like "all current crawl developers are childish fools." That's simply being personally insulting to each person in that group. It's somehow different if someone makes a bullet list with every name in that group next to text of "childish fool"? It's certainly not nebulous and less toxic to discussion if a poster insults a specific set of people using a label.
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