novelty characters

[pickled_heretic]

I once made a character with old tukima's as an ogre with okawaru and lots of gifted GSCs, with haste.

The GSC army was quite robust, but even with haste they were too slow to be very helpful.

Any other fun/good/bad/new/old novelty character ideas?

[tasonir]

I've recently been on a kick for pretty bad but sort of good in a strange way characters, and played:

Staff of earth minotaur. It hurt that I happened to find a really good Lajatang right before finding the staff of earth, but rules are rules man. This one can be annoying if you can't find a staff of earth - I got lucky and actually found it fairly easily.
DDNe ^ Chei - no vampiric weapons, no racial recharging wands, only use vampiric draining/heal wounds for healing. You can recharge your wand with a scroll.

Also I'm not entirely sure if it should count, but ogre transmuter who uses unarmed sort of applies. Probably never as good as a GSC, but statue form + unarmed works very well with them if you just pretend GSC's don't exist.

I'm still looking for more novelty ideas. I may end up doing a haunt mummy if I can manage to stand early game mummy, after people talking about it as summon butterflies++. I haven't used haunt before, but from what I understand of it, the sickness sounds really annoying, has that changed? Can I do haunt as a primary offensive on a non-mummy race? Or if you have any other novelty builds, let me know.

[pickled_heretic]

I have played a lot of different ogres, but never a transmuter. I used to love sludge elves, they made great transmuters and weren't merfolk (which I hate) so it makes me super sad that they're gone. but yeah never ogre transmuters. enhancer staves as your main source of damage is certainly novelty. I would imagine a staff of air might work better, but I suppose for whatever reason you chose earth before the game started.

[Sandman25]

I played an OgTm of Ru who sacrificed both Armour and Dodging. Fortunately it found hydra/statue form later so it was playable even late game.

[linear]

Pickled - I don't know how novel these are:
1. HO or DD of Zin, leveling Invoc ~2:1 to your main weapon skill. Spamming Recite stays fun the whole game. I salted Dissolution!
2. It relies on chance or a lot of mutated meat, but breathe poison gas is outrageously strong. A Naga only needs one level of the spit poison mutation for it. Xom would probably give it to you, but I read you're holding a grudge against him
3. Someone posted a TeBe win recently. It never occurred to me to throw away the great casting abilites of a Tengu, but they do have two aux attacks. You might start as TeFi for the shield.
4. I tried Berder's Spriggan blaster caster, which worked well with very high Spellcasting.
5. OpFi with Gozag for jewellery shops worked great for me on my first try. It only took Tasonir about five tries


Tasonir - There was a post recently characterising Haunt as something you use to tie up enemies while you kill them with something else. The Haunt summon list is so weak.

[bel]

Sustain abilities ring does nothing on a demigod now.

[linear]

Sustain abilities ring does nothing on a demigod now.

Awwwww you're right. And looking at the code changes, they capped sustain abilities at 1 level last year I'll edit out my suggestion.

[tasonir]

Tasonir - There was a post recently characterising Haunt as something you use to tie up enemies while you kill them with something else. The Haunt summon list is so weak.

Yeah, that's what I'll play around with. I'm not limiting myself to only haunt, if it can't kill fast enough I'll use other summons. I'm fairly sure I've never once successfully cast Call dragons, with my normal hate of summoners. Have one going fairly well so far, early dagger of venom was pretty nice. I was killing things effectively with it before getting the +5 ring of slaying, but of course the ring of slaying was a rather nice addition. Having rF to get my mummy back to neutral was good, and a regen amulet on top is making me start to feel actually viable

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1435-geafbe2f (webtiles) character file.

tasonir the Caller (Mummy Summoner)                Turns: 12954, Time: 00:44:33

Health: 80/80      AC:  7    Str: 12    XL:     11   Next: 9%
Magic:  19/19      EV: 14    Int: 17    God:    Sif Muna [****..]
Gold:   585        SH:  0    Dex: 13    Spells: 6 memorised, 7 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .     a - +1 dagger (venom)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     x - +1 robe {MR+}
rNeg   + + +     SustAt   .     (no shield)
rPois  ∞         Gourm    .     k - +2 helmet
rElec  .         Spirit   .     G - +0 cloak
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (no boots)
MR     ++...                    u - amulet of regeneration
Stlth  ++........               M - +5 ring of slaying
                                j - ring of protection from fire

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: no food or potions, fire vulnerability, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion


You are on level 10 of the Dungeon.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is greatly pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 11 of its levels.

You have collected 585 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +1 dagger of venom (weapon)
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 b - a +3 flail
   (You took it off Blork the orc on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 c - a +0 whip
   (You took it off a kobold on level 1 of the Dungeon)
 p - a +0 blowgun
   (You took it off a kobold on level 3 of the Dungeon)
Missiles
 n - 4 tomahawks of dispersal
 q - 62 poisoned needles
 v - 3 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 k - a +2 helmet (worn)
   (You found it on level 2 of the Dungeon)
 x - a +1 robe of magic resistance (worn)
   (You took it off Pikel on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 E - a shield
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 G - a +0 cloak (worn)
   (You took it off Crazy Yiuf on level 7 of the Dungeon)
Jewellery
 j - a ring of protection from fire (left hand)
   (You found it on level 2 of the Dungeon)
 u - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
   (You took it off an orc on level 4 of the Dungeon)
 C - an uncursed ring of stealth
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 M - a +5 ring of slaying (right hand)
   (You took it off an orc on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 N - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
Magical devices
 t - a wand of draining
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 D - a wand of polymorph
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 H - a wand of fire
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 L - a wand of disintegration
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
Scrolls
 d - a scroll labeled KUZ LETOUZO
 e - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 f - 2 scrolls labeled IHUSKY QUL PYF
 g - 2 scrolls of amnesia
 h - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 l - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 m - 2 scrolls labeled XIR WEERISOER
 o - 4 scrolls of enchant weapon
 r - 2 scrolls of immolation
 s - 4 scrolls of fear
 A - a scroll labeled YTATZY SAMU
 B - a scroll labeled RAIDDU SEFFUBI
 I - 4 scrolls of identify
 J - a scroll labeled ARUOVO ASIMOF
Books
 i - a book of Clouds
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
 w - a book of Beasts
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
 y - a book of Callings
 F - a book of Enchantments
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 K - a book of Power
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
Miscellaneous
 z - a box of beasts
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)


   Skills:
 - Level 5.3 Fighting
 - Level 6.4 Short Blades
 + Level 4.2 Dodging
 - Level 1.5 Stealth
 + Level 5.8 Spellcasting
 - Level 3.7 Conjurations
 + Level 7.1 Summonings
 - Level 4.0 Ice Magic
 - Level 3.9 Air Magic
 - Level 3.6 Poison Magic


You have 7 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Summon Small Mammal   Summ           ####         1%          1    N/A
b - Call Imp              Summ           ####....     1%          2    N/A
c - Call Canine Familiar  Summ           ####....     1%          3    N/A
d - Summon Ice Beast      Ice/Summ       ###.....     14%         4    N/A
e - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ####....     1%          1    N/A
f - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     10%         3    N/A


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7         
  Lair: D:8-11         Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You do not eat or drink.
Your flesh is vulnerable to fire.
You are immune to poison.
Your flesh is cold resistant.
You are immune to negative energy.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

There is a stone staircase leading down here.
There is an open door here.
There is an open door here.
You see here a yak skeleton.
Things that are here:
an uncursed dagger; an uncursed blowgun
N - an onyx ring
Health restored: 80
There is an open door here.
You open the door.
There is an open door here.
You see here a sapphire potion.
There is an open door here.
There is an open door here.
You open the door.
There is an open door here.
You open the door.
A kobold comes into view. It is wielding a dagger.
Found a scroll of identify. Found an escape hatch in the floor.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You're wearing all the rings you can. Remove which one?
(? for menu, Esc to cancel)
< or j - a ring of protection from fire; > or M - a +5 ring of slaying
You remove your +5 ring of slaying.
N - a ring of sustain attributes (right hand)
The kobold shouts!
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You're wearing all the rings you can. Remove which one?
(? for menu, Esc to cancel)
< or j - a ring of protection from fire; > or N - a ring of sustain attributes
You remove your ring of sustain attributes.
M - a +5 ring of slaying (right hand)
The kobold barely misses you.
A worker ant zombie comes into view.
You hit the kobold. The kobold is poisoned.
You barely miss the kobold.
You kill the kobold!
You barely miss the worker ant zombie. The worker ant zombie bites you.
You take 1 damage, and have 79/80 hp.
You hit the worker ant zombie.
You barely miss the worker ant zombie. The worker ant zombie misses you.
You hit the worker ant zombie.
The worker ant zombie bites you but does no damage.
Health restored: 80
You hit the worker ant zombie.
You hit the worker ant zombie.
The worker ant zombie closely misses you.
You hit the worker ant zombie.
The worker ant zombie bites you but does no damage.
You hit the worker ant zombie.
You hit the worker ant zombie. The worker ant zombie bites you.
You take 2 damage, and have 78/80 hp.
You hit the worker ant zombie.
You destroy the worker ant zombie!
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
There is an open door here.
Things that are here:
a dagger; a kobold corpse
I - 4 scrolls of identify (gained 1)
As you open the door, it creaks loudly!
There is an open door here.
Done exploring.
Health restored: 80
Done exploring.
There is an open door here.
There is an open door here.
Things that are here:
a dagger; a kobold corpse
There is an open door here.
There is an open door here.
Things that are here:
a club; a scale mail
Things that are here:
a spear; a robe
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
There is an open door here.
An orc comes into view. It is wielding a flail.
The orc shouts!
You puncture the orc!
You kill the orc!
No target in view!
No target in view!
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
(m)acro, (M)acro raw, keymap [(k) default, (x) level-map, (t)argeting, (c)onfirm, m(e)nu], (s)ave?
Aborting.
You can't eat.
You can't do that.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Search for what [Enter for "plate", or ? for help]? weapon
Unknown command.
You climb downwards.
Found 19 gold pieces.
Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Unknown command.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Pikel (D:6)
  A gargoyle (D:8)
  A two-headed ogre (D:9)
  18 yaks
  A wyvern (D:9)
  A hungry ghost (D:8)
  4 orc warriors
  A slave (D:6)
  A water moccasin (D:5)
  2 phantoms (D:9)
  An ogre (D:8)
  2 ice beasts (D:6)
  A sky beast (D:8)
  5 giant frogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:5)
  A scorpion (D:9)
  7 killer bees
  A wight (D:9)
  2 crimson imps (D:6)
  4 orc priests
  12 orc wizards
  A giant frog zombie (D:8)
  A quasit (D:7)
  2 giant frog skeletons
  Ijyb (D:4)
  2 hounds
  A gnoll shaman (D:8)
  A centaur skeleton (D:8)
  Natasha (thrice) (D:3)
  2 iguanas
  4 worker ants
  2 hound zombies
  2 worker ant zombies (D:9)
  A hound skeleton (D:5)
  5 adders
  18 gnolls
  A shadow imp (D:6)
  An adder zombie (D:9)
  2 worms
  An adder skeleton (D:7)
  A giant gecko (D:3)
  32 orcs
  2 bat skeletons (D:6)
  A giant cockroach (D:8)
  22 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  9 jackals
  18 kobolds
  2 quokkas
  5 bats
  3 giant gecko skeletons
  7 giant newts
  2 jackal zombies
  15 rats
247 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Gastronok (D:8)
  A yak (D:7)
  A deep elf mage (D:9)
  A phantom (D:5)
  A centaur (D:9)
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  2 giant frogs
  2 hounds
  A giant frog skeleton (D:5)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:7)
  A gnoll shaman (D:4)
  An orc priest (D:4)
  2 centaur skeletons (D:4)
  6 gnolls
  An adder (D:4)
  2 shadow imps
  An adder zombie (D:9)
  8 orcs
  2 hobgoblins
  A kobold (D:1)
  A giant newt (D:4)
  A rat (D:9)
39 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  3 orcs (D:6)
  A quokka zombie (D:6)
  A rat (D:6)
5 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 291 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | tasonir the Mummy Summoner began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3
   399 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/19 MP: 1/5
   807 | D:1      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  1046 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Summonings
  1049 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 18/24 MP: 4/6
  1053 | D:2      | HP: 6/24 [gnoll/flail (10)]
  1280 | D:2      | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp
  1284 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar
  1557 | D:2      | HP: 1/24 [worm (10)]
  1562 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 1/30 MP: 7/7
  2045 | D:3      | Noticed Natasha
  2050 | D:3      | Killed Natasha
  2101 | D:3      | Noticed Natasha
  2107 | D:3      | HP: 6/30 [Natasha (3)]
  2108 | D:3      | Killed Natasha
  2186 | D:3      | Noticed Natasha
  2453 | D:3      | Killed Natasha
  2514 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 10/35 MP: 5/9
  2515 | D:3      | Reached skill level 3 in Spellcasting
  2515 | D:3      | HP: 7/35 [hobgoblin/club (4)]
  3097 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings
  3602 | D:4      | HP: 7/35 [worker ant (2)]
  3898 | D:4      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  3908 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/41 MP: 11/11
  3950 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
  4204 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Short Blades
  4205 | D:4      | HP: 10/41 [killer bee (7)]
  4205 | D:4      | HP: 4/41 [killer bee (6)]
  4533 | D:4      | Noticed Ijyb
  4556 | D:4      | Killed Ijyb
  4711 | D:4      | Reached skill level 3 in Short Blades
  4833 | D:4      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  4833 | D:4      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  4968 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 40/46 MP: 12/12
  5099 | D:4      | Reached skill level 4 in Short Blades
  5522 | D:4      | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast
  5678 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6055 | D:5      | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
  6312 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic
  6756 | D:5      | Paralysed by a gnoll for 3 turns
  6762 | D:5      | Paralysed by a gnoll for 4 turns
  6771 | D:5      | HP: 10/46 [gnoll sergeant/tomahawk (5)]
  6796 | D:5      | HP: 10/46 [gnoll sergeant/tomahawk (7)]
  6812 | D:5      | HP: 8/46 [gnoll sergeant/trident (7)]
  7010 | D:5      | HP: 6/46 [phantom (9)]
  7013 | D:5      | Reached skill level 2 in Ice Magic
  7013 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 9/52 MP: 9/13
  7334 | D:6      | Noticed Pikel
  7349 | D:6      | Noticed Blork the orc
  7350 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  7416 | D:6      | HP: 12/54 [slave[Pikel] (5)]
  7417 | D:6      | Killed Blork the orc
  7423 | D:6      | HP: 11/54 [Pikel/whip of flaming (5)]
  7425 | D:6      | HP: 4/54 [Pikel/whip of flaming (6)]
  7428 | D:6      | Killed Pikel
  7428 | D:6      | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting
  7428 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  8082 | D:6      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
  8420 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Short Blades
  8476 | D:6      | HP: 9/61 [orc warrior/mace (20)]
  8962 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  8962 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 39/68 MP: 14/14
  9224 | D:7      | Reached skill level 2 in Dodging
  9251 | D:7      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  9261 | D:7      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  9261 | D:7      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  9262 | D:7      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  9307 | D:6      | Reached skill level 3 in Dodging
  9313 | D:6      | HP: 9/68 [yak (16)]
  9585 | D:7      | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging
  9649 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  9658 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  9682 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder
  9776 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  9776 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
  9822 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
 10078 | D:7      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
 10094 | D:7      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
 10202 | D:8      | Noticed Gastronok
 10232 | D:8      | Killed Gastronok
 10232 | D:8      | Acquired Sif Muna's first power
 10232 | D:8      | Acquired Sif Muna's second power
 10232 | D:8      | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations
 10232 | D:8      | Reached skill level 3 in Air Magic
 10232 | D:8      | Reached skill level 3 in Poison Magic
 10232 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 57/74 MP: 8/15
 10265 | D:7      | HP: 18/74 [orc wizard/magic dart (9)]
 11149 | D:8      | Noticed a gargoyle
 11179 | D:8      | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
 11179 | D:8      | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings
 11279 | D:8      | Killed a gargoyle
 11477 | D:8      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
 12221 | D:9      | Reached skill level 3 in Ice Magic
 12237 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 12329 | D:9      | HP: 10/74 [yak (12)]
 12342 | D:9      | HP: 12/74 [yak (5)]
 12455 | D:9      | HP: 18/74 [yak (2)]
 12566 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 80/80 MP: 19/19
 12577 | D:9      | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings
 12590 | D:9      | Acquired Sif Muna's third power
 12611 | D:9      | Reached skill level 4 in Ice Magic
 12953 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 12953 | D:10     | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Whip              |    16 |       |       |       ||    16
       Unarmed           |     6 |       |       |       ||     6
       Dagger            |    73 |   246 |   542 |   412 ||  1273
       Flail             |       |       |    17 |    94 ||   111
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |    18 |       |     7 ||    25
Throw: Throwing net      |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Cast: Summon Small Mamm |     7 |       |       |       ||     7
       Call Canine Famil |     1 |     6 |    25 |    11 ||    43
       Call Imp          |       |    11 |    26 |    13 ||    50
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |       |     6 |     2 |     1 ||     9
 Stab: Sleeping          |     2 |     3 |     5 |     6 ||    16
       Distracted        |       |       |     3 |     3 ||     6
       Confused          |       |       |       |     3 ||     3

Table legend:
 A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the
     entire game.
 B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game.
 C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     turns spent in this place.
 D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level
     travel turns spent in this place.
 E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place.
 F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the
     number of levels of this place that you've seen.

                   A       B       C       D       E               F
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------
         Total | 100.0 | 100.0 |   0.6 |   1.9 |   7.1 |         374.0
       Dungeon |  99.3 |  99.4 |   0.5 |   2.0 |   7.2 |         408.8
        Temple |   0.7 |   0.6 |   3.7 |   0.0 |   0.0 |          26.0
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Table legend:
 A = Kills in this place as a percentage of kills in entire the game.
 B = Kills by you in this place as a percentage of kills by you in
     the entire game.
 C = Kills by friends in this place as a percentage of kills by
     friends in the entire game.
 D = Other kills in this place as a percentage of other kills in the
     entire game.
 E = Experience gained in this place as a percentage of experience
     gained in the entire game.
 F = Experience gained in this place divided by the number of levels of
     this place that you have seen.

                   A       B       C       D       E               F
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------
         Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 |        1094.1
       Dungeon | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 |        1203.5
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------


I'm carrying the +3 flail for anything poison resistant/immune, although I haven't skilled maces at all. I'm somewhat torn on what weapon to enchant, and for now am I waiting, although I should probably not be sitting on enchant weapon scrolls for so long. I picked sif so I should be able to find haunt fairly quickly. Kiku would probably get it to me sooner but I kind of wanted to do more summoning than necromancy, and the channelling is nice.

[n1000]

ebarrett recommended to me SpFE as a fun combo. It's a fantastic character with a playstyle that fits the "trickster archetype," in his words. You can dash around while inner/sticky/conjure flaming to set up great explosions. I recommend not going too far into conjurations, even though such a build would be strong, and trying to keep a scrappy, pesky pixie in mind. Be resourceful and kill things with whatever tools you can scrounge up.

SpFE played this way is not only fun and challenging, but fairly powerful. In a single, whimsically suboptimal attempt (I worshipped Vehumet specifically for Dazzling Spray and then switched to Jiyva...) I managed to splat on Zot:5 in 39000 turns. I wasn't trying to go particularly fast but kept a willingness to flee downstairs in line with how I envisioned a trickster spriggan ought to play. The character is without a doubt the most fun I've had in a non-winning game.

[tasonir]

From the terrible character ideas thread: Troll of Gozag. I haven't actually tried it yet, but I suspect that it would be possible to stay fed on the condition that you call shops as much as possible and generally always take food shops when available. I may be wrong about this. But by my estimates, for a simple three rune game, a melee troll (no spell/evocations hunger) takes around 100 rations to win, and there's generally around 50-80 rations generated, so if you called around 5-7 food shops, you could probably make it.

Conduct rules: Must take Gozag upon finding the altar, cannot skip temple, fully explore all floors up to d:9 or until you find the temple. The last one is somewhat questionable as leaving some unexplored space on an early floor is more likely to not be an altar, diving to the temple might actually hurt you more than not diving; you could use "Cannot enter lair, orc or D:10 until you have Gozag" instead.

[byrel]

Note that a food shop is ALWAYS an option with Gozag.

[treerex5]

I was half asleep, and I think I managed to get a troll that only trained armor (wearing a robe) and wielding a dagger with 0 short blades + under 5.0 fighting to Lair 5. I looked at the morgue a month ago and had no idea how I did it. Oh yeah, and I got abyss'd twice and died on shoals 5. Seriously, what RNG streak did I get there?

[Pollen_Golem]

Speaking of transmuters, what about KoTm of Dith? Doesn't seem common but sounds alright. Could work on a Spriggan as well if not better.

DD of Zin

Do you even realize what you're implying?

ebarrett recommended to me SpFE as a fun combo. It's a fantastic character with a playstyle that fits the "trickster archetype," in his words. You can dash around while inner/sticky/conjure flaming to set up great explosions. I recommend not going too far into conjurations, even though such a build would be strong, and trying to keep a scrappy, pesky pixie in mind. Be resourceful and kill things with whatever tools you can scrounge up.

SpFE played this way is not only fun and challenging, but fairly powerful. In a single, whimsically suboptimal attempt (I worshipped Vehumet specifically for Dazzling Spray and then switched to Jiyva...) I managed to splat on Zot:5 in 39000 turns. I wasn't trying to go particularly fast but kept a willingness to flee downstairs in line with how I envisioned a trickster spriggan ought to play. The character is without a doubt the most fun I've had in a non-winning game.

Thank you, this sounds very fun! I would suggest trying this on a Tengu, that way you can impersonate Woody Woodpecker or the Road Runner as you play. And perhaps an even better start than FE is AM, for the book of debilitation

[Sprucery]

Speaking of transmuters, what about KoTm of Dith? Doesn't seem common but sounds alright. Could work on a Spriggan as well if not better.

What would make Dith especially good for KoTm or SpTm? After my latest game with a VpMo of Dith I decided that I'll only take Dith from now on when I'm going to have either a strong ranged attack or conjurations, because that's when Shadow Mimic shines.

[Lacuenta]

Lately i've been trying to make hill orc of beogh warlord gangs with shields and swords they just look so cool like a Roman army! It takes forever now since they changed weapon pickup, used to be easy..Additionally I want them to have glowing weapons so i scum orc for orcs with daggers-scimitars of any brand, then level them in lair and ditch them if they get an arbalest. Best I got atm is 4 warlords with sword and shield after lair branches 1 even has double sword of speed Now to find a few gda's to gift so i can take them to Hell and back.

[linear]

From the terrible character ideas thread: Troll of Gozag.

I tried a few times to get a Vampire of Gozag off the ground, and it was terrible. You barely make money fast enough to call food shops if you take damage and need to rest. If you survive, you spend all your gold on food shops and don't get any value out of Gozag. Maybe Su or Ne ally armies would keep you out harm's away and allow you to spend money on something other than food. Troll of Gozag might starve before the first shop without lucky early food finds.

[linear]

i can take them to Hell and back.

Unfortunately orc armies get decimated once you find enemies with Torment.

[linear]

DD of Zin

Do you even realize what you're implying?

My Invo-focused Zin run was with HO. A DD pumping Invo with +3 aptitude would have lots of MP for HW wand recharging. I think that could work without Necromancy or vampiric weapons?

[Siegurt]

DD of Zin

Do you even realize what you're implying?

My Invo-focused Zin run was with HO. A DD pumping Invo with +3 aptitude would have lots of MP for HW wand recharging. I think that could work without Necromancy or vampiric weapons?

It would be very very very hard. Having only /hw and recharging as your sole healing method is a slow death of 1000 cuts, and you have to be very very good at avoiding fights to get out with the orb alive before running out of Max mp. ( recall that invo is half as useful for max mp as spellcasting, and only the larger of the two values its used. ) I wouldn't reccomend it for anyone who likes sanity.

[Lacuenta]

i can take them to Hell and back.

Unfortunately orc armies get decimated once you find enemies with Torment.

Yeah tbh the real issue is hellfire and hell effects i tried, but even when you could easily give them rn+++ they didnt stand a chance in hell. maybe pan would be a survivable option, unfortunatly they can't go there. Still its a cool thing totry and make work!

[bel]

I usually give orc followers polearms. Haven't tried it in extended.

[Pollen_Golem]

Also I'm not entirely sure if it should count, but ogre transmuter who uses unarmed sort of applies. Probably never as good as a GSC, but statue form + unarmed works very well with them if you just pretend GSC's don't exist.

Why do you have to pretend GSCs don't exist? I thought statue form gives a 50% increase to all damage, which should be great on a GSC.

[rockygargoyle]

Why would you start as transmuter if you plan on using GSC?

[tasonir]

Also I'm not entirely sure if it should count, but ogre transmuter who uses unarmed sort of applies. Probably never as good as a GSC, but statue form + unarmed works very well with them if you just pretend GSC's don't exist.

Why do you have to pretend GSCs don't exist? I thought statue form gives a 50% increase to all damage, which should be great on a GSC.

It does give +50% of course, and the slow effect, but unarmed is slowed as well. I slightly prefer to have unarmed slowed because that's still a .75 turn attack, where GSC would be 1.05 speed attack, but that isn't going to be a big deal.

I should probably fsim this, because now I'm curious which does more damage. As crazy as this may sound, I feel like unarmed might actually come out ahead on my kind of transmuter. With Chei, I had 45 str, which is +15 damage in statue form, +27 from skill, +6 base? So 48 total damage before fighting, and a GSC is 22 + 50% for 33 damage, but then gets an increase from maces which unarmed has no equivalent to. Is 27 maces skill +100% damage, or is that the max and it rolls 50% on average? First option would put GSC ahead, second and they're about tied. Is there a strength value for which unarmed is better? It'd probably be very high, but ogres of chei can get up there...

[Jeremiah]

I thought of making an evocations-focussed character with the intention of going to Dis and using the staff of Dispater for maximum hellfire damage - Makhleb is the obvious god choice because you can regain the HP you spend casting hellfire.

Furthest I ever got with it was getting killed in Dis.

[dpeg]

From the terrible character ideas thread: Troll of Gozag.

Here.

[Pollen_Golem]

Don't forget that a GSC can have a good enchantment, a desirable brand, and also M&F are much easier to train to min delay for ogres, than unarmed.

Why would you start as transmuter if you plan on using GSC?

You're right, earth elementalist is a better start than transmuter, if you plan on using GSC.

  Code:

     0 | D:1      | dpeg, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb.
   906 | D:2      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  1113 | D:2      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  1123 | D:2      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  1138 | D:2      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  1140 | D:2      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  1144 | D:2      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1347 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1352 | D:2      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  1352 | D:2      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  1352 | D:2      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  1353 | D:2      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  1356 | D:2      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1357 | D:2      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.

^ clearly Gozag is the best option for a Troll Monk!

[tasonir]

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1469-g9f39193 (webtiles) character file.

tasonir the Grappler (Troll Fighter)               Turns: 14870, Time: 00:41:36

Health: 108/122    AC: 18    Str: 27    XL:     12   Next: 94%
Magic:  11/11      EV:  9    Int:  4    God:    Gozag
Gold:   1747       SH: 12    Dex: 13    Spells: 0 memorised, 11 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis .       - Unarmed
rCold  x . .     Clarity  .     H - +2 fire dragon armour
rNeg   + . .     SustAt   .     b - +0 shield
rPois  .         Gourm    +     j - +1 hat
rElec  .         Spirit   .     a - +1 cloak
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   +         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
MR     +....                    P - amulet of resist mutation
Stlth  ..........               k - ring of positive energy
                                R - ring of protection from magic

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2,
shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2
a: Potion Petition, Call Merchant, Bribe Branch, Renounce Religion


You are on level 3 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Gozag.
Gozag is noncommittal.
You are very hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 19 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano.

You have collected 5229 gold pieces.
You have paid 3482 gold pieces to Gozag.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 D - an uncursed blowgun
   (You took it off Sonja on level 3 of the Orcish Mines)
 J - a scimitar of flaming
   (You found it in a volcano)
Missiles
 e - 8 curare-tipped needles
 t - 11 javelins (quivered)
 u - 2 throwing nets
Armour
 a - a +1 cloak (worn)
   (You took it off Maurice on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 b - a +0 shield (worn)
 j - a +1 hat (worn)
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 H - a +2 fire dragon armour (worn)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
 Y - a +2 robe of cold resistance
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
Rods
 W - a +2 iron rod (9/9)
   (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
Jewellery
 k - a ring of positive energy (right claw)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
 P - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 R - a ring of protection from magic (left claw)
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
Magical devices
 i - a wand of hasting (6)
   (You took it off a hobgoblin on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 y - a wand of lightning
   (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
 L - a wand of digging
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 Q - a wand of draining
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 T - a wand of fire
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
Scrolls
 g - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 o - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 p - 5 scrolls labeled YTOSER UZOTU
 q - 5 scrolls of blinking
 r - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 s - 2 scrolls labeled YZEADA OSUCHI
 w - 2 scrolls of recharging
 z - 3 scrolls of fear
 B - a scroll of identify
 C - a scroll labeled VISUACLELI
 M - a scroll labeled VEECAD TITHA
 N - a scroll labeled JIATSI OQOUVEL
 O - a scroll labeled POJAOF NUTOTE
 V - a scroll labeled ZIHUPSU BEUT
Potions
 c - 3 potions of might
 f - 2 potions of resistance
 h - 2 potions of agility
 l - a potion of brilliance
 m - 3 potions of cure mutation
 n - a fuming black potion
 v - a sedimented dark potion
 x - 2 potions of haste
 A - 4 potions of curing
 E - 2 potions of cancellation
 F - 2 potions of flight
 K - a brown potion
 U - a red potion
 X - a potion of heal wounds
Books
 G - a book of the Warp
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 I - an Akashic Record
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 Z - a book of Beasts
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
Miscellaneous
 S - a phial of floods
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
Comestibles
 d - 4 bread rations {@e1}


   Skills:
 + Level 8.5 Fighting
 - Level 9.1 Throwing
 + Level 5.4 Armour
 + Level 4.1 Dodging
 - Level 9.0 Shields
 + Level 11.8 Unarmed Combat


You have 11 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (3/8) D:10
    Orc (3/4) D:12       
 Swamp: Lair:3-6    Shoals: Lair:3-6     Snake: Lair:3-6    Spider: Lair:3-6
   Elf: Orc:3-4     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:6 !   D:12 [   D:13 %   D:15 %   Vaults:1 %


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).


Message History

You throw a javelin. The javelin misses Sonja. You feel sick.
Sonja shoots a curare-tipped needle.
The curare-tipped needle closely misses you.
Sonja moves out of view.
You take 1 damage, and have 112/122 hp.
You feel sick.
Sonja twirls her cape.
You take 1 damage, and have 111/122 hp.
Aim: Sonja, wielding a blowgun
You throw a javelin. The javelin completely misses Sonja. You feel sick.
Sonja shoots a curare-tipped needle.
You block the curare-tipped needle.
Sonja shoots a curare-tipped needle.
The curare-tipped needle hits you.
You are more poisoned.
You have difficulty breathing.
You feel as though you will be slow longer.
You take 9 damage, and have 102/122 hp.
Unknown command.
Aim: Sonja, wielding a blowgun
You throw a javelin. The javelin misses Sonja.
You feel very sick.
Sonja shoots a curare-tipped needle.
The curare-tipped needle hits you.
You are more poisoned.
You have difficulty breathing.
You feel as though you will be slow longer.
You take 10 damage, and have 92/122 hp.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Aim: Sonja, wielding a blowgun
You throw a javelin. The javelin completely misses Sonja.
You feel very sick.
Sonja unwields an uncursed blowgun.
Sonja wields an uncursed dagger of venom.
It begins to drip with poison! Sonja completely misses you.
Sonja hits you with an uncursed dagger of venom.
Sonja completely misses you.
You take 4 damage, and have 88/122 hp.
You mangle Sonja!!
You kill Sonja!
You feel very sick.
You take 2 damage, and have 86/122 hp.
You feel very sick.
You now have 1747 gold pieces (gained 15).
Your pack is full.
Things that are here:
an uncursed dagger of venom; an uncursed blowgun; 2 curare-tipped needles
You feel very sick.
You take 6 damage, and have 80/122 hp.
You can't carry that many items.
Your pack is full.
Things that are here:
an uncursed dagger of venom; an uncursed blowgun; 2 curare-tipped needles
Drop what? 52/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop a scorched morningstar.
You feel very sick.
You take 2 damage, and have 78/122 hp.
D - an uncursed blowgun
You feel very sick.
You take 2 damage, and have 76/122 hp.
Drop what? 52/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop 3 scrolls of amnesia. You feel sick.
You take 1 damage, and have 75/122 hp.
e - 2 curare-tipped needles
You feel very sick.
You take 2 damage, and have 73/122 hp.
You feel sick.
e - 5 curare-tipped needles (gained 3)
You feel sick.
You take 1 damage, and have 72/122 hp.
You feel sick.
e - 7 curare-tipped needles (gained 2)
You feel sick.
You take 2 damage, and have 70/122 hp.
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
e - 8 curare-tipped needles (gained 1)
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
Things that are here:
3 scrolls of amnesia; a scorched morningstar; an uncursed dagger of venom
You are feeling hungry.
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
t - 8 javelins (gained 1)
t - 11 javelins (gained 3)
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
You feel sick.
You are no longer poisoned.
You feel yourself speed up.
You are feeling very hungry.
You regained 36 hp, and now have 108/122 hp.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A minotaur (Lab)
  Sonja (Orc:3)
  A lindwurm (Volcano)
  An ugly thing (D:11)
  A manticore (D:11)
  2 molten gargoyles (Volcano)
  Maurice (D:12)
  A black mamba (Lair:1)
  A kobold demonologist (D:11)
  2 gargoyles
  A fire drake (Volcano)
  4 trolls
  2 komodo dragons
  3 two-headed ogres (D:12)
  6 slime creatures (D:12)
  Grinder (D:3)
  8 blink frogs
  A deep elf mage (D:12)
  6 fire bats (Volcano)
  2 hungry ghosts
  18 yaks
  7 hippogriffs
  A basilisk (Lair:2)
  A mottled dragon (Volcano)
  A soldier ant (D:11)
  5 wargs
  A porcupine (Lair:1)
  5 water moccasins
  2 sky beasts
  A black bear (D:9)
  12 orc warriors
  A hell hound (Volcano)
  6 ice beasts
  3 phantoms
  A wasp (D:9)
  5 ogres
  2 necrophages
  2 big kobolds
  12 centaurs
  2 crocodiles
  17 giant frogs
  4 scorpions
  19 killer bees
  3 crimson imps
  8 wights
  An electric eel (D:8)
  A centaur skeleton (D:9)
  2 quasits
  2 giant frog skeletons
  9 hounds
  Crazy Yiuf (D:6)
  25 orc priests
  Ijyb (D:3)
  5 iguanas
  2 jellies
  6 worker ants
  22 orc wizards
  3 hound skeletons
  11 adders
  7 gnolls
  6 river rats (Lair:2)
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  3 shadow imps
  An ooze (D:6)
  5 worms
  8 giant geckos
  141 orcs
  A ball python (D:1)
  3 bat skeletons
  2 bat zombies
  4 giant cockroaches (D:2)
  15 hobgoblins
  3 jackals (D:5)
  2 quokkas
  13 bats
  A giant gecko zombie (D:7)
  5 giant newts
  13 goblins
  21 kobolds
  14 rats
545 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  6 fungi (Lair:1)
  3 plants (Lair:1)
9 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 554 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | tasonir the Troll Fighter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 22/22 MP: 0/0
   573 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/29 MP: 1/1
   828 | D:2      | Reached skill level 3 in Unarmed Combat
   846 | D:2      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
   891 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 32/36 MP: 2/2
  1003 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
  1019 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/44 MP: 3/3
  1393 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  1419 | D:3      | Noticed Grinder
  1435 | D:3      | Killed Grinder
  1435 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  1435 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 19/50 MP: 4/4
  1435 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 22/59 MP: 5/5
  1518 | D:3      | Noticed Ijyb
  1527 | D:3      | Killed Ijyb
  1626 | D:3      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  1729 | D:3      | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
  1729 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  1771 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting
  2166 | D:4      | Reached skill level 3 in Shields
  2241 | D:4      | HP: 9/61 [orc wizard/magic dart (7)]
  2243 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 17/67 MP: 6/6
  2687 | D:5      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
  2687 | D:5      | Reached skill level 4 in Shields
  2931 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 73/79 MP: 7/7
  3130 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3401 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  3437 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Gozag Ym Sagoz the Greedy
  3533 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  3536 | D:6      | Found Wicidir's Distillery.
  3649 | D:6      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  3655 | D:6      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  3655 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  4051 | D:7      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  4051 | D:7      | Reached skill level 6 in Shields
  4108 | D:7      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  4182 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  4198 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 85/89 MP: 8/8
  4360 | D:7      | HP: 19/89 [killer bee (9)]
  4361 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  4665 | D:7      | Noticed a moth of wrath
  4667 | D:7      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  4827 | D:7      | HP: 20/89 [killer bee (4)]
  4829 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  4832 | D:7      | HP: 12/89 [poisoned by a killer bee]
  4837 | D:7      | HP: 8/89 [poisoned by a killer bee]
  4842 | D:7      | HP: 5/89 [killer bee (7)]
  5447 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
  5842 | D:8      | HP: 13/89 [electric eel/bolt of electricity (14)]
  5845 | D:8      | HP: 6/89 [cloud of steam (8)]
  5869 | D:8      | HP: 19/89 [giant frog (3)]
  6021 | D:9      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  6175 | D:9      | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
  6176 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 92/98 MP: 9/9
  6382 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  6388 | D:9      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  6391 | D:9      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  6427 | D:9      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  6817 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  7066 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  7083 | D:10     | HP: 18/100 [orc priest/divine providence (12)]
  7102 | D:10     | HP: 24/100 [warg (7)]
  7106 | D:10     | Reached skill level 7 in Shields
  7107 | D:10     | HP: 21/100 [gnoll/spear (6)]
  7140 | D:10     | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  7687 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  7708 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
  7735 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 2 in Throwing
  7795 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 3 in Throwing
  7961 | Lair:1   | Noticed a black mamba
  7968 | Lair:1   | Killed a black mamba
  7968 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 4 in Throwing
  7968 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 100/110 MP: 10/10
  8526 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
  8645 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 6 in Throwing
  8996 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 7 in Throwing
  9064 | Lair:2   | HP: 24/110 [blink frog (15)]
 10128 | D:11     | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 10137 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 10221 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 10230 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 10230 | Lab      | Reached skill level 8 in Throwing
 10245 | Lab      | Identified a +2 iron rod (4/9) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
 10246 | Lab      | Identified a +2 rod of shadows (13/13) (You found it in a labyrinth)
 10319 | D:11     | Reached skill level 9 in Throwing
 10340 | D:11     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 10422 | D:11     | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 10785 | D:11     | Reached skill level 8 in Shields
 10834 | D:11     | Reached skill level 2 in Armour
 10836 | D:11     | Noticed a soul eater
 11023 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 109/119 MP: 11/11
 11548 | D:12     | Found Gygib's Armour Emporium.
 11587 | D:12     | Reached skill level 3 in Armour
 11675 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 11846 | D:12     | Noticed Maurice
 11853 | D:12     | Killed Maurice
 11961 | D:12     | Reached skill level 4 in Armour
 12040 | D:12     | Reached skill level 9 in Shields
 12170 | D:12     | Got a scorched morningstar
 12323 | D:12     | Reached skill level 3 in Dodging
 12478 | D:12     | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
 12531 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 12980 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 13906 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 14263 | Orc:3    | Found a dark tunnel.
 14268 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 14497 | Volcano  | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 14565 | Volcano  | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging
 14792 | Orc:3    | Noticed Sonja
 14799 | Orc:3    | Killed Sonja


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |    78 |   116 |   428 |  1218 ||  1840
Throw: Javelin           |       |       |     2 |    12 ||    14
Invok: Call Merchant     |       |       |     1 |     3 ||     4
       Potion Petition   |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Potion            |       |     2 |     4 |     1 ||     7
       Scroll            |       |       |    11 |     8 ||    19
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |       |     2 |     2 ||     4
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     7 ||     7
  Eat: Chunk             |    14 |    10 |    10 |       ||    34
       Fruit             |       |       |     5 |    11 ||    16
       Royal jelly       |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
       Beef jerky        |       |       |     6 |     2 ||     8
       Meat ration       |       |       |     1 |     4 ||     5
       Bread ration      |       |       |       |    10 ||    10
       Pizza             |       |       |       |     1 ||     1

Table legend:
 A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the
     entire game.
 B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game.
 C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     turns spent in this place.
 D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level
     travel turns spent in this place.
 E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place.
 F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the
     number of levels of this place that you've seen.

                   A       B       C       D       E               F
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------
         Total | 100.0 | 100.0 |   0.5 |   0.9 |   9.8 |         224.6
       Dungeon |  65.3 |  65.3 |   0.6 |   0.8 |  11.0 |         256.6
        Temple |   0.8 |   0.8 |   2.6 |   0.0 |   0.0 |          38.0
          Lair |  11.2 |  11.2 |   0.6 |   2.1 |  10.9 |         176.7
  Orcish Mines |  17.3 |  17.3 |   0.5 |   0.7 |   6.9 |         271.7
     Labyrinth |   2.6 |   2.7 |   0.0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |         125.0
       Volcano |   2.7 |   2.7 |   0.0 |   0.0 |   6.2 |         129.0
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Table legend:
 A = Kills in this place as a percentage of kills in entire the game.
 B = Kills by you in this place as a percentage of kills by you in
     the entire game.
 C = Kills by friends in this place as a percentage of kills by
     friends in the entire game.
 D = Other kills in this place as a percentage of other kills in the
     entire game.
 E = Experience gained in this place as a percentage of experience
     gained in the entire game.
 F = Experience gained in this place divided by the number of levels of
     this place that you have seen.

                   A       B       C       D       E               F
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------
         Total | 100.0 | 100.0 |  -nan | 100.0 | 100.0 |        1766.8
       Dungeon |  63.9 |  63.9 |  -nan | 100.0 |  58.0 |        1792.5
          Lair |   7.9 |   7.9 |  -nan |   0.0 |  19.5 |        2412.7
  Orcish Mines |  25.8 |  25.9 |  -nan |   0.0 |  10.5 |        1296.3
     Labyrinth |   0.2 |   0.2 |  -nan |   0.0 |   2.9 |        1071.0
       Volcano |   2.2 |   2.2 |  -nan |   0.0 |   9.1 |        3394.0
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------


Mine's only level 12 so far but seems to be going alright...Had some really bad RNG trolling going on, as I was gutsy and had decent food supply early on, so I tried calling an armor shop before any food shops, and it got placed way down on d:12 (I was around d:8 I think). So I went down to look, it was a terrible shop (no dragon armors or anything useful at all really), called a food shop....Vaults:1. Thanks. But it wasn't all bad news as I did find a FDA in a labyrinth so that is covered, and calling a second food shop landed it in d:13, so I think I'll live.

[tasonir]

Well in the interests of transparency I've managed to get both the mummy summoner and the troll of gozag killed off, although there's nothing wrong with the builds themselves, just my playing of them Poor troll tried to take on an orc warlord in a mostly fair fight (I did curare the warlord, but I only lured it around one corner and some of his friends did also follow around the bend). Not the best idea. This was made somewhat worse by me being only level 12 as I didn't have the food to finish lair, and was trying to finish off orc before going down to that d:13 food shop. A more normal branch order might have helped, but ultimately it's my fault for charging a warlord and friends.

[Pollen_Golem]

I notice from the character file above that you have the Akashic Record... which means that you must have scroll-identified a high-level book. Why would you do that? Surely you wouldn't learn any high-level spells on a Troll of Gozag with 4 int.

[Sar]

All books now ID on pickup.

[tasonir]

All books now ID on pickup.

Funny, I didn't even notice this happen and it was my character!

[WingedEspeon]

Pickled - I don't know how novel these are:
3. Someone posted a TeBe win recently. It never occurred to me to throw away the great casting abilites of a Tengu, but they do have two aux attacks. ]
Tasonir - There was a post recently characterising Haunt as something you use to tie up enemies while you kill them with something else. The Haunt summon list is so weak.

TeBe is too easy. Try DEBe

Also I'm not entirely sure if it should count, but ogre transmuter who uses unarmed sort of applies. Probably never as good as a GSC, but statue form + unarmed works very well with them if you just pretend GSC's don't exist.

I should probably fsim this, because now I'm curious which does more damage. As crazy as this may sound, I feel like unarmed might actually come out ahead on my kind of transmuter. With Chei, I had 45 str, which is +15 damage in statue form, +27 from skill, +6 base?

I ran some fSims Why do you have to pretend GSCs don't exist? I thought statue form gives a 50% increase to all damage, which should be great on a GSC.on this a while back and for an average HuMo that puts all point into dex, formless UC is VERY slightly worse than a +9 tripple sword of speed assuming 27 fighting and 27 UC and 27 LB. with statue form and 45 STR UC DEFINATLY does more dmge than GSC, probably even more than a ridiculus GSC like +15, str+12, HW, vs demons.


Novelty characters: get 27 UC and use a quick blade as a 2h so you have a faster weapon to throw more offhand punches.
play a vampire kinda like makabat, only with Qazlal. Kite and kill things with clouds.