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Slaying doesn't do anything
It might be more honest to rename the stat to "Bravado", or perhaps more accurately "Self Confidence".
If it doesn't fit anywhere else, it belongs here. Also, come here if you just need to get hammered.
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Piginabag wrote:34 slaying on this character: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Pigin ... 011943.txt
Couldn't tell the difference.
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dowan wrote:Well, when the average player can't tell the difference between 1x and 2x damage, it's not surprising you don't notice effect of a bunch of slaying.
But +34? I think that must be noticeable, if you took a character with 0 slaying and a +0+0 demon trident with the same skills as the one in that dump, I think you'd notice a difference pretty quickly.
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duvessa wrote:This character had 45 slaying and never noticed that it was literally doing nothingdowan wrote:Well, when the average player can't tell the difference between 1x and 2x damage, it's not surprising you don't notice effect of a bunch of slaying.
But +34? I think that must be noticeable, if you took a character with 0 slaying and a +0+0 demon trident with the same skills as the one in that dump, I think you'd notice a difference pretty quickly.
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Sandman25 wrote:It depends. I definitely saw difference between +9 bardiche with high Str/Dex character (150% HP cursed skull died in 4 attacks) and +7 scimitar with low Str character (dealt 17 damage to cursed skill once in about 8 attacks, all other attacks resulted in "but deal no damage").
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dowan wrote:Well, I think we can all agree that crawl's interface makes it basically impossible to make an intelligent comparison of damage without using Fsim or code diving.
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Sandman25 wrote:Piginabag wrote:34 slaying on this character: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Pigin ... 011943.txt
Couldn't tell the difference.
Well, play crawl from my signature, it shows damage the player does to monsters.
Sandman25 wrote:Do you see effect of potion of might?
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bel wrote:I have no idea why this thread has so many serious replies.
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You reach to attack!
You impale the stone giant!!(damage 25)
You freeze the stone giant!
The stone giant is moderately wounded.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (moderately wounded)
You reach to attack!
You impale the stone giant!!(damage 23)
You freeze the stone giant!
The stone giant is heavily wounded.
The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock completely misses you.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (heavily wounded)
You reach to attack!
You puncture the stone giant!(damage 10)
You freeze the stone giant.
The stone giant is heavily wounded.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (heavily wounded)
You reach to attack!
You spit the stone giant like a pig!!!(damage 39)
You freeze the stone giant!
The stone giant is almost dead.
The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock completely misses you.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (almost dead)
You reach to attack!
You impale the stone giant!!(damage 29)
You freeze the stone giant.
You kill the stone giant!
You reach to attack!
You puncture the stone giant!(damage 11)
You freeze the stone giant.
The stone giant is lightly wounded.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (lightly wounded)
You reach to attack!
You puncture the stone giant!(damage 8)
You freeze the stone giant.
The stone giant is moderately wounded.
The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock completely misses you.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (moderately wounded)
You reach to attack!
You impale the stone giant!!(damage 24)
You freeze the stone giant.
The stone giant is heavily wounded.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (heavily wounded)
You reach to attack!
You impale the stone giant!!(damage 30)
You freeze the stone giant!
The stone giant is severely wounded.
The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock completely misses you.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - stone giant
Aim: a stone giant (severely wounded)
You reach to attack!
You impale the stone giant!!(damage 22)
You freeze the stone giant!
You kill the stone giant!
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dowan wrote:Now show how many thrown rocks it takes to kill the stone giant, with and without slaying. I bet we'll get different numbers that way!
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Sandman25 wrote:It is easy when you have Throwing 27 and needles of paralysis.
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dowan wrote:Man I would love to see the dump of a character who killed a pan lord with thrown pizza. +100 internets to whoever does it.
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Blobbo wrote:dowan wrote:Man I would love to see the dump of a character who killed a pan lord with thrown pizza. +100 internets to whoever does it.
+1000 internets if the character is named Heisenberg.
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Siegurt wrote:By the same argument you could say you can't tell the difference between a dagger and a great mace, they both hit stuff, it dies, it's very random how much damage you do, so you can't really tell the difference, so they're the same right?
(FWIW a +0 dagger with 34 slaying is better than a +0 great mace with none)
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Blobbo wrote:the pizza had to be thrown with the box, the box had to come off and the pizza had to land on the roof like 10 feet above the ground
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Sar wrote:Is there any plot significance to that?
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PleasingFungus wrote:Sar wrote:Is there any plot significance to that?
It's essentially critical. Watch the show......
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Blobbo wrote:PleasingFungus wrote:Sar wrote:Is there any plot significance to that?
It's essentially critical. Watch the show......
Every single shot in Breaking Bad is tremendously significant. I'm not exaggerating, the damn thing is a work of art.
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PleasingFungus wrote:Siegurt wrote:By the same argument you could say you can't tell the difference between a dagger and a great mace, they both hit stuff, it dies, it's very random how much damage you do, so you can't really tell the difference, so they're the same right?
(FWIW a +0 dagger with 34 slaying is better than a +0 great mace with none)
iirc someone tested out the dagger of accuracy right after the slaying merge (went from +27/+0 to +27) and found it 'surprisingly disappointing'
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