Is this normal?


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Post Thursday, 25th December 2014, 14:00

Is this normal?

I've posted about this vault in another thread, jokingly, but seriously, now. What is with this gnoll vault on D:3? I've encountered it at least 3 times in the past 20 games. An orc warrior, 3 orc priests, 2 gnoll shamans, a gnoll sergeant, and 35 gnolls all roaming about D:3 without anyone opening their door? Reaching XL8 by completion of D:3? This is seriously unbalanced, IMO. I get that it benefits to be a higher level starting out, but one first has to survive this madness to enjoy it. Thoughts?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (webtiles) character file.

Aule the Magician (Formicid Wizard)                 Turns: 7736, Time: 00:35:01

HP  57/57        AC  3     Str 18      XL: 8   Next:  1%
MP  21/21        EV 12     Int 19      God:
Gold 136         SH  0     Dex  9      Spells:  5 memorised,  6 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     a - +3 spear
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     g - +1 robe
rNeg   + . .     rCorr    .     (no shield)
rPois  .         rRot     .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     (no cloak)
SustAb .         Warding  .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Stasis   +     (no boots)
Gourm  .                        (no amulet)
MR     .....                    u - ring of positive energy
                                o - +5 ring of strength

@: repel missiles, not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: permanent stasis, dig shafts and tunnels, four strong arms, antennae 3
a: Dig, Shaft Self


You are on level 3 of the Dungeon.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 3 of its levels.

You have collected 136 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +3 spear (weapon)
Missiles
 e - 6 silver tomahawks (quivered)
Armour
 g - a +1 robe (worn)
Comestibles
 d - 2 bread rations
 h - 3 meat rations
 k - 2 beef jerkies
 m - 3 slices of pizza
 w - 2 chunks of gnoll flesh
Scrolls
 f - a scroll of identify
 l - a scroll of remove curse
 n - 2 scrolls of recharging
Jewellery
 o - a +5 ring of strength (left hand)
   (You took it off a hobgoblin on level 1 of the Dungeon)
 u - a ring of positive energy (right hand)
   (You took it off a gnoll on level 3 of the Dungeon)
Potions
 b - a bubbling black potion
 i - a brown potion
 j - a sedimented brown potion
 r - a fizzy red potion
 s - a black potion
Books
 c - a book of Minor Magic   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   *Call Imp                          Summoning                    2
   *Repel Missiles                    Charms/Air                   2
   Slow                               Hexes                        2
   *Conjure Flame                     Conjuration/Fire             3
   *Mephitic Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       3


   Skills:
 + Level 2.7 Fighting
 + Level 2.8 Dodging
 + Level 4.0 Stealth
 * Level 5.1 Spellcasting
 * Level 3.3 Conjurations
 - Level 1.0 Summonings
   Level 0.8 Translocations
 * Level 2.8 Air Magic
 + Level 2.4 Poison Magic


You have 6 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ###.         3%          1    None
c - Call Imp              Summ           #.......     14%         2    None
d - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     12%         3    ###....
e - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ##......     21%         3    ###....
m - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##....       12%         2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (3/15)           

Altars:


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your are under a permanent stasis effect.
You can dig through walls and to a lower floor.
Your four strong arms can wield two-handed weapons with a shield.
You have a pair of large antennae on your head (SInv).


Message History

Aim: a gnoll, wielding a spear (almost dead)
You reach to attack! You hit the gnoll.
You kill the gnoll!
No target in view!
No target in view!
You swap places.
No target in view!
Things that are here:
a spear; a gnoll corpse
You closely miss the hobgoblin.
Your white imp hits the hobgoblin but does no damage.
The hobgoblin hits you but does no damage.
You closely miss the hobgoblin.
Your white imp closely misses the hobgoblin.
The hobgoblin misses you.
You hit the hobgoblin.
The hobgoblin is severely wounded.
Your white imp hits the hobgoblin. Your white imp freezes the hobgoblin.
The hobgoblin dies!
No target in view!
No target in view!
You swap places.
Things that are here:
a spear; a gnoll corpse
You start butchering the gnoll corpse. You continue butchering the corpse.
You continue butchering the corpse. x2
Magic restored.
You finish butchering the gnoll corpse.
w - 3 chunks of gnoll flesh
You see here a spear.
Eat one of 3 chunks of gnoll flesh? (ye/n/q/i?)
This raw flesh tastes terrible.
Your white imp disappears in a puff of smoke!
You continue eating. x2
You see here a club.
HP restored.
You see here a throwing net.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
Partly explored, can't reach some places.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
You see here a club.
You see here a throwing net.
You see here a club.
You see here a spear.
You see here a whip.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
You see here a scroll of random uselessness.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.

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#............######....#.#
......##.....#   #<.##.#.#
##.##.############..#..#.########
#.#.#...........@...........>....
#...#..#########.#..#(...########
#...#........<##.#..#..#..#
##.##.........##?#..#..#..#
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#)%...........##.#[.#..#...#
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#.............##....#.##.#.##
#....).................#.#[.#


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  An orc priest (D:3)
  A gnoll shaman (D:3)
  26 gnolls (D:3)
  4 adders
  A shadow imp (D:3)
  2 giant mites (D:3)
  A white imp (D:3)
  4 giant geckos
  12 orcs (D:3)
  A ball python (D:1)
  12 bats
  16 hobgoblins
  18 jackals
  6 kobolds
  A quokka (D:2)
  3 giant newts
  6 goblins
  6 rats
121 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An orc warrior (D:3)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:3)
  The ghost of susan the Skirmisher, a weakling DsBe of Trog (D:3)
  2 orc priests (D:3)
  A gnoll shaman (D:3)
  9 gnolls (D:3)
  An inept feature mimic (D:3)
  2 worms
  2 orcs (D:3)
  2 hobgoblins
  6 jackals
  A giant cockroach (D:2)
29 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A crimson imp (D:3)
  A white imp (D:3)
2 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 152 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Aule, the Formicid Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 4/4
    30 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
   204 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 2/20 MP: 0/7
   487 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp
   490 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
   556 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
   861 | D:1      | Identified a ring of strength (You took it off a hobgoblin on level 1 of the Dungeon)
   969 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 0/9
  1550 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  1550 | D:1      | Identified 3 scrolls of enchant weapon
  1553 | D:1      | Identified a scroll of teleportation
  1819 | D:2      | Reached skill level 2 in Dodging
  2688 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 32/32 MP: 6/11
  2739 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of enchant armour
  2740 | D:2      | Identified 2 scrolls of remove curse
  2741 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of amnesia
  2742 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of identify
  2742 | D:2      | Identified a potion of heal wounds
  2743 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of immolation
  2744 | D:2      | Identified 4 scrolls of random uselessness
  2745 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of recharging
  3056 | D:3      | Noticed an orc warrior
  4158 | D:3      | Killed an orc warrior
  4158 | D:3      | Reached skill level 2 in Fighting
  4158 | D:3      | Reached skill level 3 in Stealth
  4158 | D:3      | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
  4158 | D:3      | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations
  4158 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
  4158 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 7/15
  4163 | D:3      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
  4348 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
  4433 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/44 MP: 11/17
  5719 | D:3      | Reached skill level 2 in Poison Magic
  5839 | D:3      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/50 MP: 10/18
  6034 | D:3      | Reached skill level 2 in Air Magic
  6447 | D:3      | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations
  6697 | D:3      | Noticed a gnoll sergeant
  6751 | D:3      | Noticed susan's ghost (weakling DsBe)
  7037 | D:3      | Killed susan's ghost
  7037 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  7115 | D:3      | Reached skill level 4 in Stealth
  7235 | D:3      | Killed a gnoll sergeant
  7389 | D:3      | Identified a ring of positive energy (You took it off a gnoll on level 3 of the Dungeon)
  7473 | D:3      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 57/57 MP: 18/21


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |    15 |       |       ||    15
       Short sword       |     7 |       |       ||     7
       Spear             |    26 |    89 |    90 ||   205
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    90 |   109 |    93 ||   292
       Call Imp          |     6 |    21 |    19 ||    46
       Repel Missiles    |     1 |     1 |     1 ||     3
       Mephitic Cloud    |     1 |    12 |     6 ||    19
       Conjure Flame     |       |     2 |     5 ||     7
 Abil: Dig               |     1 |       |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     4 |     7 |       ||    11
       Potion            |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     5 |    13 |     7 ||    25

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Post Thursday, 25th December 2014, 14:12

Re: Is this normal?

Yes (also, re: "surviving the madness", >)

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Post Thursday, 25th December 2014, 16:34

Re: Is this normal?

Yes
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Post Thursday, 25th December 2014, 19:20

Re: Is this normal?

Yes
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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 00:25

Re: Is this normal?

I'm going to assume this is lemuel's castle and then you got a random orc band (the orcs wouldn't be part of the castle monsters).

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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 02:00

Re: Is this normal?

I just started having vaults logged in my morgues, so I won't know for sure until the end, but it sounds about right. It's like a long fortress surrounded by a moat and having a wide doorway.

So that lemuel is a real motherfucker, eh? Found an insane vault that was like the library of Alexandria in my last serious Fo game that as it turns out was called the "lemuel_crystal_altar." There were like 8-10 books with 10 spells each in them, but at least there was something there to justify the madness. I didn't see much in the way of loot for this D:3 vault. It contained exactly one scroll of recharging, and nothing else.

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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 07:41

Re: Is this normal?

Aule wrote:So that lemuel is a real motherfucker, eh?

"My mission is to annoy."

It's a shame his acid_trip was ruined forever by the cruel devteam; that vault was just something else.
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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 15:01

Re: Is this normal?

...lemuel_crystal_altar is a simple altar vault; it places no books.

You probably are looking for evilmike_library_of_no_secrets or similar.

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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 19:22

Re: Is this normal?

That's the one. I checked the morgue, and all those books were ided on d:12, which was indeed the evilmike_library_of_no_secrets.

Effin awesome stuff. Those especially hairy vaults should be required to have good loot like that. Not necessarily that much, but certainly something of a high quality.

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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 22:21

Re: Is this normal?

Aule wrote:That's the one. I checked the morgue, and all those books were ided on d:12, which was indeed the evilmike_library_of_no_secrets.

Effin awesome stuff. Those especially hairy vaults should be required to have good loot like that. Not necessarily that much, but certainly something of a high quality.


Hard vaults are their own reward.

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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 23:24

Re: Is this normal?

What's the vault with the conjurer statues that spam orbs of destruction at you?
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Post Saturday, 27th December 2014, 01:00

Re: Is this normal?

Aule wrote:So that lemuel is a real motherfucker, eh?

Sounds right. His firehouse vault with all three downstairs spawned on both my last two Zot runs, messing with my diving. It's not even hard, it's just

Sar wrote:"My mission is to annoy."

...yeah.

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Re: Is this normal?

nicolae wrote:Hard vaults are their own reward.

Truly? Then win a game "naked," without using any loot at all, tough guy. By your standard, you should have so much fun you'll wet yourself.
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Post Saturday, 27th December 2014, 04:45

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The fun is in the journey, not the destination.
take it easy

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Aule wrote:
nicolae wrote:Hard vaults are their own reward.

Truly? Then win a game "naked," without using any loot at all, tough guy. By your standard, you should have so much fun you'll wet yourself.


I didn't say they were a reward for the player.

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Post Saturday, 27th December 2014, 05:41

Re: Is this normal?

In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists, I can reasonably expect vaults to be outlandish, silly, overly difficult, or a combination of the three.
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Cheibrodos wrote:In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists


Is this an actual vault or is this going to be like the old joke about the guy who looks at a bunch of Rorschach blots and yells at the psychiatrist for showing him dirty pictures
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nicolae wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists


Is this an actual vault or is this going to be like the old joke about the guy who looks at a bunch of Rorschach blots and yells at the psychiatrist for showing him dirty pictures


He would know; he made the vault.

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Post Saturday, 27th December 2014, 19:37

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Does it have any good loot though?

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Arrhythmia wrote:
nicolae wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists


Is this an actual vault or is this going to be like the old joke about the guy who looks at a bunch of Rorschach blots and yells at the psychiatrist for showing him dirty pictures


He would know; he made the vault.

(cheibrodos_breeding_chamber)


Ah. That's definitely a womb, yes.

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Post Saturday, 27th December 2014, 22:02

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Sar wrote:Does it have any good loot though?

In the mentioned case of a vagina vault, I assume that just penetrating the vault would be considered its own reward. Loot would be counterproductive. One could slip in slowly, or pound it like a battering ram, but either way the climax is supposed to feel like being fucked.

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Post Saturday, 27th December 2014, 23:43

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Wow. I thanked Aule's message and got this: "Fatal error: Class 'messenger' not found in /var/www/crawl.develz.org/htdocs/tavern/includes/functions_thanks.php on line 511" but the thank got through anyway so I guess the forum sex police just missed their target...
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