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Jeremiah wrote:Did you test with +0, unbranded demon whip and quick blade, or one with slaying and a brand?
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Wahaha wrote:It's hard for me to see a situation where to maximize chances to win, training more damage spells is better than training melee with most races after Lair. With a DsWz getting claws I would start training UC as soon as I got the 1st claw mut if it happened before I started training a weapon skill and wasn't with Kiku and maybe Ash.
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SaidTheAlligatorKingToHisSon wrote:By the time I get around to training the weapon skill I've almost won the game.
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SaidTheAlligatorKingToHisSon wrote:it is hard for me to see a situation where training UC/melee weapon is optimal for a mage
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If you're saying that training weapon skill is more important than other priorities like defense, utility spells, evocations etc. that I would disagree with.
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SaidTheAlligatorKingToHisSon wrote:Concerning DsWz specifically, imo training UC at level 5 is wrong unless you plan on transitioning into melee. If you got something crazy like monstrous and claws or nightstalker+elec dagger early on then it could be optimal to transistion into melee play. However there's always a period when you're transitioning where your character will be relatively weak and you only have to die once to lose so a build is as weak as its weakest period.
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SaidTheAlligatorKingToHisSon wrote:@Sandman25: 3 runes. I've had games where I just wield an elemental staff at zero weapon skill because it's kinda funny bonking stuff on the head with zero weapon skill and owning (fighting provides to-hit), though typically I do train a bit of weapon skill before Zot.
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Sandman25 wrote:And how do you deal with Ghost Moths in Spider? Have you ever been teleported by permanent trap/Naga Mage or surrounded by Guardian Naga at low MP? Or do you always have staff of energy?
Do you have a typical dump of your book background character after getting a Lair rune or in Vaults? Because I still don't understand where you put all that XP. 20+ Fighting and Evocation but no weapon skill?
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SaidTheAlligatorKingToHisSon wrote:Two games without wucad mu so guess more typical:
opee, another 0 wep skill. Seems I used a short sword a lot, don't know what the deal with that is.
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Slap and stab wrote:correct training is necessary even before you get infinite XP, you know
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SaidTheAlligatorKingToHisSon wrote:@Sar: My casters usually train lots of defense and use evocables as backup instead of a weapon. Personally I wouldn't call that a pure caster, for me a pure caster trains minimal defense and rushes very high-level spells. After a point though all characters hybridize somewhat. Even Trog worshippers branch out and get evocations.
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