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crate wrote:stairs are already the most broken thing in crawl, might as well embrace it
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Lasty wrote:My guess is that if you did this for 1000 games in a row, you would probably not see a single example of dying after going down stairs without getting a chance to act.
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Aule wrote:Lasty wrote:My guess is that if you did this for 1000 games in a row, you would probably not see a single example of dying after going down stairs without getting a chance to act.
Maybe, but there can be plenty of ways for it to end up essentially doomed upon the moment of stepping down. I get damiac's point. It just happened to me on Snake:5 last night, OgWz splat at XL20 or so. On the second descent (after rejecting the first option and moving immediately to another), I landed adjacent to several yellow-titled monsters. Adjacent. Okay, so what are my options? A lot of uncertainty and guesswork for anyone lacking an encyclopedic knowledge about the game, and no small measure of plain old luck will be required to survive. It was a very messy and prolonged death, during which I made numerous tactical errors that total experts would love to throw at me, but I would appreciate being spared. Anyway, it happens.
How about at least making the adjacent squares off-limits? Earlier in same game, an anaconda was adjacent and began constricting immediately. Didn't kill me, but maybe that was just because I was playing an ogre. Imagine Vault:5 with monsters on adjacent squares. Well, sometimes, even if infrequently, something like Vault:5 spawns at random, I think.
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crate wrote:3) The first staircase that scared you off was pretty much harmless (4 black mambas scare you in snake:5? Really?) even if we remove the guaranteed-first-move you get.
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crate wrote:well the point of this discussion is about not getting a single action at the bottom of stairs, and he posted a game that involved quite a lot of actions at the bottom of said stairs
Hopeless wrote:Did you guys not read where he specified he didn't want your opinion? I mean sure you are totally right, but Aule (like many here nowadays, myself included) is a newish (and perhaps bad) player. If he says he is not interested in why he died then take his word for it. (I expect he has tired of the advice after realizing it is going above his head to some degree.) The point is he objected to the adjacent snakes and perhaps no one else would ever encounter that ever again in a trillion games but it happened and isn't a good thing to have happen imho. Sure he should have done xyz and still had a chance after not doing so if he just did uv and or w.
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duvessa wrote:Also, just because you died right after going down the stairs doesn't mean it was an unavoidable death. You could have gotten better defenses before doing so.
Sandman25 wrote:duvessa wrote:Also, just because you died right after going down the stairs doesn't mean it was an unavoidable death. You could have gotten better defenses before doing so.
I wonder if we will ever have all buffs immediately expire after changing levels. It's kind of boring to cast Phase Shift/Haste/Stoneskin/Necromutation/Infusion/Shroud of Golubria etc. before taking every "stair" in Pan.
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Aule wrote:crate wrote:well the point of this discussion is about not getting a single action at the bottom of stairs, and he posted a game that involved quite a lot of actions at the bottom of said stairs
Which, while not precisely and exactly an example of the cited behavior, remains relevant as similar because adjacency can easily produce the end result of no action. But go ahead and nitpick. That's one way to get rid of lice, though perhaps not the most efficient way.
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duvessa wrote:One way to show an argument is unsound is to show that one of its premises is false. Explaining why your premise is false is not attacking you. Asking why you are posting an argument if you don't want to argue is also not attacking you.
Hirsch I wrote:Also,are you calling me a power-gamer? this is highly offensive! now excuse me, I have to go back to my GrBe game, that I savescummed until trog gave me a Vampiric +9 claymore.
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Greyr wrote:I think you all forget that Duvessa is right 98% of the time.
If you don't like the way he comes off, well too bad. Life ain't exactly a welcoming party either.
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Hirsch I wrote:Greyr wrote:I think you all forget that Duvessa is right 98% of the time.
If you don't like the way he comes off, well too bad. Life ain't exactly a welcoming party either.
being right gives you no right to be an asshole, wich does not matter because he was NOT an asshole here.
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Arrhythmia wrote:Hirsch I wrote:Greyr wrote:I think you all forget that Duvessa is right 98% of the time.
If you don't like the way he comes off, well too bad. Life ain't exactly a welcoming party either.
being right gives you no right to be an asshole, wich does not matter because he was NOT an asshole here.
I, however, was almost certainly an asshole, for pressing a button. Here in the 21st century we don't even need to use words to attack other people.
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cerealjynx wrote:You guys we should be fighting Louise, not each other!
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Hirsch I wrote:Also,are you calling me a power-gamer? this is highly offensive! now excuse me, I have to go back to my GrBe game, that I savescummed until trog gave me a Vampiric +9 claymore.
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Hirsch I wrote:Also,are you calling me a power-gamer? this is highly offensive! now excuse me, I have to go back to my GrBe game, that I savescummed until trog gave me a Vampiric +9 claymore.
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Aule wrote:Those involved should have been banned for good.
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