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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 09:37

bikeshedding: renaming greater sling

This name sounds ad hoc and so simple that I'd want to propose replacing it with an actual sling weapon

Staff sling or fustibalus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sling_%28weapon%29#Variants

The staff sling, also known as the stave sling, fustibalus (Latin), fustibale (French), consists of a staff (a length of wood) with a short sling at one end. One cord of the sling is firmly attached to the stave and the other end has a loop that can slide off and release the projectile. Staff slings are extremely powerful because the stave can be made as long as two meters, creating a powerful lever. Ancient art shows slingers holding staff slings by one end, with the pocket behind them, and using both hands to throw the staves forward over their heads.

The staff sling has a similar or superior range to the shepherd's sling, and can be as accurate in practiced hands. It is generally suited for heavier missiles and siege situations as staff slings can achieve very steep trajectories for slinging over obstacles such as castle walls. The staff itself can become a close combat weapon in a melee. The staff sling can throw heavy projectiles a much greater distance and at a higher arc than a hand sling. Staff slings were in use well into the age of gunpowder as grenade launchers, and were used in ship-to-ship combat to throw incendiaries.


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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 09:41

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the problem with that is that Staves skill exists

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 09:45

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Sar wrote:the problem with that is that Staves skill exists


Yeah I thought somebody would mention this, but I don't imagine you can use that staff as a blunt weapon.

In the figure I have included it's simply a sling attached to a stick rather than call it a cane or a staff, because the primary goal is to increase the leverage and power.

I would favor the latin name fustibalus over staff sling to avoid confusion and, of course, not allowing melee as with other launchers as bows or crossbows.
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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 10:00

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Why do you think calling something "fustibalus" will reduce confusion? The weapon type of all other weapons is obvious just by their name, and where this isn't the case (rods) you see in e.g. dungeon crawling advice that this creates confusion somethimes.
Also, in the very article you quoted,
The staff itself can become a close combat weapon in a melee.
Even if not all fustibali, like the one you posted, are used in melee, you see how it wouldn't be an unreasonable assumption.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 13:16

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My fustibalus owns you, evil dungeon creatures.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 14:14

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cerebovssquire wrote:The weapon type of all other weapons is obvious just by their name

Except for maybe sabres and scimitars (did you know they're actually the same length?) and falchions and bardiches and trishulas and glaives and lajatangs. Otherwise yeah.
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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 14:16

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sabres don't exist
comparing a falchion or a glaive to a fustibalus seems like apples to apples to me

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 14:47

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A combination staff and sling might be an interesting fixedart. I think sling names are ok as they are though.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 14:47

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Why not use the sling staff as both a blunt weapon and a launcher? Only difficulty I see (besides coding it, which can't be more impossible than how rods work) is whether tab launches or swings. I'd say swing if there is something to swing at in melee range, and launch if there isn't.

Make it less powerful than a lajatang in melee.

So hunting slings are the launchers that work with shields, and sling staves are the launcher that lets you melee without swapping weapons. Enchant weapon scrolls are more valuable on sling staves because they count at all ranges.

I guess brands are weird- can kiku give you a sling-staff of pain? I'd say not.
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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 15:26

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Goliath Sling.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 16:09

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 16:20

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rename hunting sling and great sling to big sling and bigger sling

edit: a demon launcher would be cool though
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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 16:42

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johlstei wrote:edit: a demon launcher would be cool though


No benefits to demonspawn using them...
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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 16:59

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I liked the demon sling idea until it was pointed out to me that the good gods would bar use of it.

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imo little sling, sling, big sling

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XuaXua wrote:
johlstei wrote:edit: a demon launcher would be cool though


No benefits to demonspawn using them...


certainly not, i just meant so it could get a cool name while blessing them, but yeah i guess good gods disallowing them is annoying enough to discount the idea

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 18:59

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 20:13

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dck wrote:sabres don't exist
comparing a falchion or a glaive to a fustibalus seems like apples to apples to me
i think njvack mentioned bardiches because you would probably expect them to be in the axes category; not sure what he meant with falchions and glaives though

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XuaXua wrote:Goliath Sling.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd July 2014, 22:04

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Sprucery wrote:Singapore Sling


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Post Thursday, 24th July 2014, 00:10

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IMO rename it to hand trebuchet.
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Post Thursday, 24th July 2014, 18:01

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I don't know why but "greater sling" makes me laugh. It's kind of sounds like "greater kitten".

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Post Thursday, 24th July 2014, 18:31

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Lasty wrote:I liked the demon sling idea until it was pointed out to me that the good gods would bar use of it.


To me, the first thing that comes to mind is a sling that lets you fire 5s, which would be pretty fun but not all that practical.

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Post Thursday, 24th July 2014, 18:37

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sun demon ammo when

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dck wrote:sun demon ammo when

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Post Thursday, 31st July 2014, 19:14

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Spanish word for sling is honda.

If you all agree that we can rename it then we can have a honda accord.
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tcjsavannah wrote:Spanish word for sling is honda.

If you all agree that we can rename it then we can have a honda accord.
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Post Thursday, 31st July 2014, 23:51

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sling -> slang -> slung

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