FR: Remove everything

[Patashu]

Remove
-Hunger and food
-Identification/unidentified items
-Curse and remove curse
-Ashenzerai (sorry bro)
-Decks
-Nemelex Xobeh (sorry bud)
-Item destruction
-Monsters picking up items (I did say item destruction)
-Jellies eating items (I did say item destruction)
-Corrosion (I did say item destruction)
-Ammo mulching (etc)
-Sickness (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Poison (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Stat loss (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Door dancing
-Monster energy randomization
-Stair dancing (also op)
-Pillar dancing (this time we'll take it out once and for all)
-Banishment
-The Abyss
-Lugonu (sorry ma'am)
-Demigods (well no one played them anyway)
-Ghouls (well no one played them anyway)
-Deep Dwarf (well no one played them anyway)
-Spriggans (someone read a scroll of genocide and picked spriggans. in 2020 there are no spriggans left)
-Digging and destroying walls (use the terrain as you find it!)
-CircleLOS and circles in general (squares are the future)
-Traps (you left a few in, let me take them out for you)
-Tomb (when was the last time someone thought tomb was a good idea?)
-Every monster slower than speed 10
-Perma-allies
-Beogh, Yred, probably some other gods I'm forgetting (no one will miss you, perma-allies were an unfun tedious broken abusable optimal mechanic after all)

Then I can finally play Crawl again :')

[sgrunt]

Crawl 0.16 will be comprised of a single room containing the Orb of Zot and an invisible Orb Guardian.

You're welcome.

[Patashu]

Crawl 0.16 will be comprised of a single room containing the Orb of Zot and an invisible Orb Guardian.

You're welcome.

Did I mention I hate invisibility because LoS should be symmetrical?

[Sar]

is it bad I actually agree with a lot of those

[bcadren]

In order:

• Sure.
• Yes, Please!
• No.
• No.
• Ok, I guess.
• Meh, I never use it anyways.
• YES
• No. I think it adds something strategically. Them using consumables, though...take that.
• Meh. No real effect unless you are of Jiyva 99.9% of the time.
• Nope, keep it.
• Sure, but decrease the spawn rate.
• Nah, just make it clear outside of battle.
• Nah, just make it pass faster outside of battle, unless it's fatal levels, which...heh.
• I don't know what this is.
• I'm not sure. I find it annoying, but the alternative is running forever...
• Nope, too necessary and you really need something to replace it...
• This contradicts the no energy randomization...
• Nope. I rather like it.
• Hell no.
• REALLY NO. No. NO. No. NO. No.
• Maybe.
• Maybe.
• I'm not sure. The whole plying like rogue-like classic DOOM is interesting, but I'm not sure.
• I could see the argument that their fast movement makes them TOO powerful.
• No.
• WTF?
• Sure, actually, assuming you mean the mundane ones that are mostly only found in Tomb and Ossuary; (Zot, Tele and Web still in).
• Yea. It really needs fixing.
• Maybe. I mean they are still a threat sometimes. (Boulder Beetles and the like). Could be more of one if terrain was designed to prevent running away without...running into another enemy.

[archaeo]

-Door dancing
...
-Stair dancing (also op)
-Pillar dancing (this time we'll take it out once and for all)

What is this, the tiny town from Footloose?

[Patashu]

-Door dancing
...
-Stair dancing (also op)
-Pillar dancing (this time we'll take it out once and for all)

What is this, the tiny town from Footloose?

I am a master of Dance Dance Revolution and will permit no other kinds of 'dancing' in video games

[duvessa]

remove everything except mummies

and me

[Klown]

A lot of these are considered things that could be removed/improved by many.

The fact that the game is so awesome even with so much stuff to hate is a good thing, though. The sky is still the limit.

[Patashu]

remove everything except mummies

and me

you'd really remove Dowan??? :'(

[Arrhythmia]

In order:

• Sure.
• Yes, Please!
• No.
• No.
• Ok, I guess.
• Meh, I never use it anyways.
• YES
• No. I think it adds something strategically. Them using consumables, though...take that.
• Meh. No real effect unless you are of Jiyva 99.9% of the time.
• Nope, keep it.
• Sure, but decrease the spawn rate.
• Nah, just make it clear outside of battle.
• Nah, just make it pass faster outside of battle, unless it's fatal levels, which...heh.
• I don't know what this is.
• I'm not sure. I find it annoying, but the alternative is running forever...
• Nope, too necessary and you really need something to replace it...
• This contradicts the no energy randomization...
• Nope. I rather like it.
• Hell no.
• REALLY NO. No. NO. No. NO. No.
• Maybe.
• Maybe.
• I'm not sure. The whole plying like rogue-like classic DOOM is interesting, but I'm not sure.
• I could see the argument that their fast movement makes them TOO powerful.
• No.
• WTF?
• Sure, actually, assuming you mean the mundane ones that are mostly only found in Tomb and Ossuary; (Zot, Tele and Web still in).
• Yea. It really needs fixing.
• Maybe. I mean they are still a threat sometimes. (Boulder Beetles and the like). Could be more of one if terrain was designed to prevent running away without...running into another enemy.

There is absolutely no way I'm cross-referencing this.

[Patashu]

There is absolutely no way I'm cross-referencing this.

The worst part is now I can't edit the original post anymore because bcadren's list will be out of order then :'(

[Bloax]

Remove
-Hunger and food [Sure.]
-Identification/unidentified items [Yes, please!]
-Curse and remove curse [No.]
-Ashenzerai (sorry bro) [No.]
-Decks [Ok, I guess.]
-Nemelex Xobeh (sorry bud) [Meh, I never use it anyways.]
-Item destruction [YES]
-Monsters picking up items (I did say item destruction) [No. I think it adds something strategically. Them using consumables, though...take that.]
-Jellies eating items (I did say item destruction) [Meh. No real effect unless you are of Jiyva 99.9% of the time.
-Corrosion (I did say item destruction) [Nope, keep it. ~~(Murder intensifies)~~]
-Ammo mulching (etc) [Sure, but decrease the spawn rate.]
-Sickness (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot) [Nah, just make it clear outside of battle.]
-Poison (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot) [Nah, just make it pass faster outside of battle, unless it's fatal levels, which...heh.]
-Stat loss (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot) [NO COMMENT]
-Door dancing [I don't know what this is.]
-Monster energy randomization [I'm not sure. I find it annoying, but the alternative is running forever...]
-Stair dancing (also op) [Nope, too necessary and you really need something to replace it...]
-Pillar dancing (this time we'll take it out once and for all) [This contradicts the no energy randomization]
-Banishment [Nope. I rather like it.]
-The Abyss [Hell no.]
-Lugonu (sorry ma'am) [REALLY NO. No. NO. No. NO. No.]
-Demigods (well no one played them anyway) [Maybe.]
-Ghouls (well no one played them anyway) [Maybe.]
-Deep Dwarf (well no one played them anyway) [I'm not sure. The whole playing like rogue-like classic DOOM is interesting, but I'm not sure. ~Deep dwarves play nothing like Doom, but okay.~]
-Spriggans (someone read a scroll of genocide and picked spriggans. in 2020 there are no spriggans left) [I could see the argument that their fast movement makes them TOO powerful.]
-Digging and destroying walls (use the terrain as you find it!) [No.]
-CircleLOS and circles in general (squares are the future) [WTF?]
-Traps (you left a few in, let me take them out for you) [Sure, actually, assuming you mean the mundane ones that are mostly only found in Tomb and Ossuary; (Zot, Tele and Web still in.)]
-Tomb (when was the last time someone thought tomb was a good idea?) [Yea. It really needs fixing.]
-Every monster slower than speed 10 [Maybe. I mean they are still a threat sometimes. (Boulder Beetles and the like.) Could be more of one if terrain was designed to prevent running away without...running into another enemy.]
-Perma-allies [NO COMMENT]
-Beogh, Yred, probably some other gods I'm forgetting (no one will miss you, perma-allies were an unfun tedious broken abusable optimal mechanic after all) [NO COMMENT]
Then I can finally play Crawl again :')

you guys are weak

[tasonir]

you guys are weak

No truer words were ever spoken.

[vengefulcarrot]

We keep dragons with +5000 dmg

[Knight9910]

Well, let's see here...

-Hunger and food
I could take it or leave it, honestly.

-Identification/unidentified items
If you can't handle identifying then play something easier. Something with "Hannah Montana" in the title might be more your speed.

-Curse and remove curse
If you can't handle curses then play something easier. Like a Barbie game.

-Ashenzerai (sorry bro)
I must now burn you at the stake.

-Decks
So basically what I'm getting here is that you hate anything interesting?

-Nemelex Xobeh (sorry bud)
Yep. You hate everything interesting.

-Item destruction
-Monsters picking up items (I did say item destruction)
-Jellies eating items (I did say item destruction)
-Corrosion (I did say item destruction)
-Ammo mulching (etc)
If you can't handle item destruction, blah blah blah, insert insulting insinuation about your gaming preferences here.

-Sickness (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
Pretty much done. The only things I can think of that ever caused it are ancient zymes, contaminated chunks, and komodos, and two of those no longer have the affect.

-Poison (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
Before the poison reform I might have agreed. Since the reform poison is a lot better and is actually strategically interesting. Also, if you can't handle poison, yada yada, That's So Raven.

-Stat loss (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
You wait out stat loss? Holy shit, why? HOW? Do you carry around 5 tons of permafood everywhere you go, yet inexplicably zero potions of restore abilities?

You know what? Let me just save some time. Basically, from what I'm getting this is what you want from Crawl: no gods, no species, no classes, no skills, no enemies, just a big red button called "PLAY." You press it, it rolls a die, and tells you whether you win or not.

...I think I know the dev team's April Fool's prank for 2015...

[duvessa]

Hi Knight9910, you might find the following article an interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

[tabstorm]

nice list OP i think you didn't go far enough though.

imo we also need to:

remove all runes except the 2 main lair runes and silver rune (The other branches are problematic and/or boring)
remove gods (They limit player choice by being mind-bogglingly overpowered)
remove magic (Extremely overpowered, charms and necromancies are the worst offenders design-wise and interacting with enemies in any way except in melee is frankly boring)
remove races (aptitudes effectively limit player choice)
remove big 3 wands (overpowered)
remove chunks and tighten food clock
remove 50% of the XP from the main game
remove upstairs or make them like brogue

[moocowmoocow]

Ctrl + F
"chei"

0 of 0

[Lyrick]

remove upstairs

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You pick up the Orb of Zot! The orb lets out a hideous shriek!
The lords of Pandemonium are not amused. Beware!

Now all you have to do is get out of the dungeon!

You starve...



[Patashu]

Ctrl + F
"chei"

0 of 0

chei isn't problematic tho

[Knight9910]

Hi Knight9910, you might find the following article an interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

You and the OP might find the following article to be an interesting read too:
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Funny

And also this one:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rhetorical%20answer

[Lyrick]

Crawl 0.16 will be comprised of a single room containing the Orb of Zot and an invisible Orb Guardian.

You're welcome.

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Welcome Lyrick the Spriggan Warper.


[sgrunt]

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I thought we removed statues.

[Sprucery]

After removing magic (because it's OP), ranged combat should be removed too (because it's OP). Then melee should be removed, because it would have become a no-brainer (which is a no-no in Crawl).

[Patashu]

After removing magic (because it's OP), ranged combat should be removed too (because it's OP). Then melee should be removed, because it would have become a no-brainer (which is a no-no in Crawl).

So, to recap, to deal damage to enemies your options are now:
-Glowsplosions
-Spines
-Waiting 2 billion turns so the world ends and technically there are no enemies left
-Doom style monster infighting, added in 0.16 to address playerbase complaints that 'you can't do anything anymore'

[cerebovssquire]

Well, Elyvilon would still exist!

[Mankeli]

remove everything except mummies

and me AGAIN

FTFY

[Knight9910]

Well, Elyvilon would still exist!

The lack of other combat options would make Elyvilon's pacification too powerful by comparison, so she'd have to go too.

[Patashu]

Well, Elyvilon would still exist!

The lack of other combat options would make Elyvilon's pacification too powerful by comparison, so she'd have to go too.

No, she can stay, just remove her pacification until it can be reformed to be 'non-spoilery'.

[vengefulcarrot]

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I thought we removed statues.

Remove Yred bring back statues

Hi Knight9910, you might find the following article an interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

You and the OP might find the following article to be an interesting read too:
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Funny

And also this one:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rhetorical%20answer

This might be an interesting read http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... lu%20Boner

[Hirsch I]

oh, the montly "remove everything" thread. is it that time already?

[Patashu]

Remove
-Hunger and food this one looks to be a work in progress, keep it up!
-Identification/unidentified items
-Curse and remove curse
-Ashenzerai (sorry bro)
-Decks
-Nemelex Xobeh (sorry bud) basically anyway
-Item destruction
-Monsters picking up items (I did say item destruction)
-Jellies eating items (I did say item destruction)
-Corrosion (I did say item destruction)
-Ammo mulching (etc)
-Sickness (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot) (we're getting there)
-Poison (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Stat loss (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Door dancing
-Monster energy randomization
-Stair dancing (also op)
-Pillar dancing (this time we'll take it out once and for all)
-Banishment
-The Abyss
-Lugonu (sorry ma'am)
-Demigods (well no one played them anyway)
-Ghouls (well no one played them anyway)
-Deep Dwarf (well no one played them anyway)
-Spriggans (someone read a scroll of genocide and picked spriggans. in 2020 there are no spriggans left)
-Digging and destroying walls (use the terrain as you find it!)
-CircleLOS and circles in general (squares are the future)
-Traps (you left a few in, let me take them out for you)
-Tomb (when was the last time someone thought tomb was a good idea?)
-Every monster slower than speed 10
-Perma-allies
-Beogh, Yred, probably some other gods I'm forgetting (no one will miss you, perma-allies were an unfun tedious broken abusable optimal mechanic after all)

Then I can finally play Crawl again :')

Hi devs, nice to see you're taking my suggestions seriously. Any ETA on when you'll complete the rest?

[rchandra]

Poison only needs one 5 now, cross that out.

[tasonir]

You and the OP might find the following article to be an interesting read too:
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Funny

Unneccessarily sexy image in funny guide: http://www.wikihow.com/images/4/4d/How-to-Be-Funny---part-3-step-2.jpg
Or maybe I'm just creepy.

[duvessa]

http://www.wikihow.com/images/4/4d/How-to-Be-Funny---part-3-step-2.jpg

has that artist ever seen breasts in real life

[headcrab0803]

http://www.wikihow.com/images/4/4d/How-to-Be-Funny---part-3-step-2.jpg

has that artist ever seen breasts in real life

are breasts real

[Hopeless]

http://www.wikihow.com/images/4/4d/How-to-Be-Funny---part-3-step-2.jpg

has that artist ever seen breasts in real life

I don't get it. How is that picture less realistic because of the chest area? I mean its a fucking cartoon...

[cerebovssquire]

well for one breasts don't have eyes or a nose, and they don't smile

[Leafsnail]

minmay, erotic cartoon critic

(just to be clear that's a suggestion, not an insult)

[Bloax]

http://www.wikihow.com/images/4/4d/How-to-Be-Funny---part-3-step-2.jpg

has that artist ever seen breasts in real life

obviously it's just a guy with a pillow in there

why else would it look like that

[Hirsch I]

http://www.wikihow.com/images/4/4d/How-to-Be-Funny---part-3-step-2.jpg

has that artist ever seen breasts in real life

I don't get it. How is that picture less realistic because of the chest area? I mean its a fucking cartoon...

dont judge me. fucking cartoons is a lifestile.

[dck]

christ that hand

[and into]

christ that hand

It is like one of those optical illusions. The fingers seem to be flexing downward one moment, upward the next.

[tasonir]

Remove
-Hunger and food
-Identification/unidentified items
-Curse and remove curse
-Ashenzerai (sorry bro)
-Decks
-Nemelex Xobeh (sorry bud)
-Item destruction
-Monsters picking up items (I did say item destruction)
-Jellies eating items (I did say item destruction)
-Corrosion (I did say item destruction)
-Ammo mulching (etc)
-Sickness (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Poison (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Stat loss (an unfun ungood mechanic that encourages 5ing a lot)
-Door dancing
-Monster energy randomization
-Stair dancing (also op)
-Pillar dancing (this time we'll take it out once and for all)
-Banishment
-The Abyss
-Lugonu (sorry ma'am)
-Demigods (well no one played them anyway)
-Ghouls (well no one played them anyway)
-Deep Dwarf (well no one played them anyway)
-Spriggans (someone read a scroll of genocide and picked spriggans. in 2020 there are no spriggans left)
-Digging and destroying walls (use the terrain as you find it!)
-CircleLOS and circles in general (squares are the future)
-Traps (you left a few in, let me take them out for you)
-Tomb (when was the last time someone thought tomb was a good idea?)
-Every monster slower than speed 10
-Perma-allies
-Beogh, Yred, probably some other gods I'm forgetting (no one will miss you, perma-allies were an unfun tedious broken abusable optimal mechanic after all)

Then I can finally play Crawl again :')

red is removed, yellow is modified, green is left largely the same. I probably got something wrong and you can argue over what modified means, but hey.

So just to keep track, roughly a year later about a third removed , a third remain, and a third modified. Slightly more green than red, but let's be optimistic. Maybe I should have used red for "still exists" but hey

[tedric]

since when is 5 equal to a third of 33? it's more like a seventh. and it should be 4 anyway, corrosion has only been modified

[Arrhythmia]

since when is 5 equal to a third of 33? it's more like a seventh. and it should be 4 anyway, corrosion has only been modified

it's "corrosion" in exactly the same way gyre and gimbel is "dual wielding"