I hate to be a lemon, but I'm going to be a lemon. I'm not trying to snipe Turukano but a few people seem to think of this the wrong way, in my opinion.
Turukano wrote:Speedrunning is one of the challenges you may look for after winning some games. Other ideas are streaks or winning with every species e.g.
What is speedrunning? If you mean low turn count - that's held by DDHe pacifist crew. If you mean fastest real-time wins that's held by either some bot or some crazy dude with fast fingers. What you really mean is high-scorers. People who min-max to get highscores, and it so happens to be a combination of 15 runes and a low turn count. In fact if we completely change the way scoring is, we would still have high-scorers. They don't particularly HAVE to be bound to turns OR runes for that matter.
but that's just being pedantic i guess so lets just assume high-score is "speedrun" (so I don't seem inconsistent later)
Turukano wrote:For me speedrunning is by far the most interesting challenge.
that's fine.
Turukano wrote:According to
bart this means getting 15 runes in < 60 k turns, and there are some more players who agree to this definition.
This isn't a definition. See above. We can define highscores, we can define streaks, lowest turn count, etc. etc. but 15 runes < 60k is as meaningful as 3 runes >500k.
Turukano wrote:When you go for speedruns, you don't want to waste 100 turns for nothing. Pressing '5' 20 times loses 2 k turns in worst case - that's about the same time in which you can clear the elven halls with related XP and items.
sorta agree, but then again there isn't gigantic skill required in not resting and exploring. All you are doing is pushing your luck and getting rewarded for it, this is the same as gambling. Not saying you shouldn't be rewarded for it, or what you are saying is wrong. But from what I interpret it, there seems an implication (maybe not by you) that not resting and exploring = skill.
archaeo wrote:Just Hit 5 Man
For the wide majority this is how it should be.
While some speedruns do exploit regen and staff smacking and such, a lot of them do other min-max stuff by evaluating risk vs reward. E.g. exploring with low health instead of resting in order to find stairs/items while gaining hp, using items efficiently because you're more likely to get into trouble in a "speedrun" compared to a normal run, knowing how to skip unnecessary things while maximizing exp, and all that other stuff that people don't normally think of doing. And none of this is particularly good or bad, skilled or unskilled. Its just the way it is because that's just how the way scoring works! Why do some people do it better than others, well if you notice those people who do partake in speedruns generally they do play a LOT more games than other players of similar-ish skill level (here by skill I mean tactical decisions).
You will notice that Bart is a bit different, his runs are a bit more consistent be it due to a higher skill level, or a satisfaction with taking less risks and leaning towards winning more - I'm not sure, but whatever it is, its working.
Speedrunning is a challenge, and it does put you in situations where you have to make clutch decisions in order to succeed. But the same sort of clutch decisions are made in streaks or tournaments or like any type of challenge. In fact, I am fairly certain that some one who is relatively good at this game can be put in a similar scenario that a "speedrunner" gets into and make a similar decision.
Turn-based speedruns exist because the scoring system has been created that way. No matter how you change scoring, speedrunners (or more correctly high-scorers) will invent new ways and means to be efficient. Changing way scoring works IMO won't do much, it will piss people off who are used to it, sure. but the same people will probably get over it and find a different way to min-max and get highscores anyway. Because a prerequisite to being a speedrunner is also being pretty good at the game or at least having the mentality/thirst of getting high-scores or being just a crazy gambler dude.
Personally, I can't be bothered with speedruns or streaks or w/e because I kinda suck at this game. BUT VC???? WHY DO YOU TRYHARD? Cause I like highscores, not "15 runes < 60k" runs. It so happens to be that the two are linked.