rPois??
If it doesn't fit anywhere else, it belongs here. Also, come here if you just need to get hammered.
Shoals Surfer
Posts: 293
Joined: Tuesday, 25th October 2011, 05:04
Re: rPois??
- For this message the author File200 has received thanks:
- TeshiAlair
Re: rPois??
File200 wrote:rPois is not guaranteed to prevent poison. It's only about 90% effective iirc. What you're seeing is either clustering or confirmation bias.
Interestingly I expected either answer and I disagree which is why I posted this query. Thanks for your contribution.
Tomb Titivator
Posts: 909
Joined: Thursday, 3rd January 2013, 20:32
Re: rPois??
- For this message the author tedric has received thanks: 3
- Arrhythmia, duvessa, TeshiAlair
Snake Sneak
Posts: 101
Joined: Thursday, 27th March 2014, 02:17
Re: rPois??
Heh actually you can with stasis/clarity. Wasn't thinking. Guess its still true elemental wise.
Zot Zealot
Posts: 1031
Joined: Friday, 26th April 2013, 19:52
Location: AZ, USA
Re: rPois??
Ziggurat Zagger
Posts: 11111
Joined: Friday, 8th February 2013, 12:00
Re: rPois??
My current character killed a group of about 30 Killer Bees losing only 30 HP before Lair (was attacked from 2 tiles all this time), I was really surprised, I was going to use several potions of curing but didn't need any. Later the same character almost died to a Spiny Frog when I forgot to equip ring of rPois and easily killed Spiny Frogs when the ring was equipped.
Full Windows 64 bit version can be downloaded at https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ufdv1a2qbn6b ... 9.zip?dl=0
I play offline.
Re: rPois??
Sandman25 wrote:rPois is extremely useful vs poison attacks.
My current character killed a group of about 30 Killer Bees losing only 30 HP before Lair (was attacked from 2 tiles all this time), I was really surprised, I was going to use several potions of curing but didn't need any. Later the same character almost died to a Spiny Frog when I forgot to equip ring of rPois and easily killed Spiny Frogs when the ring was equipped.
My point was, that this kind of thing (getting deeply poisoned with rPois in your status) doesn't happen much past the early game. But it seems and I know (seeming isn't necessarily reality but it seems very strongly) like rPois is less effective with say adders and worker ants than it is with other later game mobs. By the mid game you can usually just kill the early game pests without even worrying about it. The later game pests are more nasty if you don't have any rPois and have a noticeably reduced effectiveness if you do.
Ziggurat Zagger
Posts: 11111
Joined: Friday, 8th February 2013, 12:00
Re: rPois??
Hopeless wrote:My point was, that this kind of thing (getting deeply poisoned with rPois in your status) doesn't happen much past the early game. But it seems and I know (seeming isn't necessarily reality but it seems very strongly) like rPois is less effective with say adders and worker ants than it is with other later game mobs. By the mid game you can usually just kill the early game pests without even worrying about it. The later game pests are more nasty if you don't have any rPois and have a noticeably reduced effectiveness if you do.
I see now. rPois is very strong early game too, but yes, Adder is still very dangerous with rPois. Later character has enough HP to not be killed with 1-2 unlucky (10%) poisonous attacks.
Full Windows 64 bit version can be downloaded at https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ufdv1a2qbn6b ... 9.zip?dl=0
I play offline.
Sewers Scotsman
Posts: 3192
Joined: Friday, 13th May 2011, 08:47
Location: Ultima Thule
Re: rPois??
tedric wrote:You know the funny thing about the clustering illusion is that it is an illusion
This is not true. The clustering is real but there is no underlying reason for it. It is belief in such a reason that leads to the illusion that the clustering has occurred because of anything other than chance.
- For this message the author Confidence Interval has received thanks:
- cerebovssquire
Barkeep
Posts: 3890
Joined: Wednesday, 14th August 2013, 23:25
Location: USA
Re: rPois??
In a lot of cases those things are more important than saving a !curing.
Tomb Titivator
Posts: 909
Joined: Thursday, 3rd January 2013, 20:32
Re: rPois??
Confidence Interval wrote:tedric wrote:You know the funny thing about the clustering illusion is that it is an illusion
This is not true. The clustering is real but there is no underlying reason for it. It is belief in such a reason that leads to the illusion that the clustering has occurred because of anything other than chance.
Yes, exactly
Ziggurat Zagger
Posts: 5382
Joined: Friday, 25th November 2011, 07:36
Re: rPois??
If you'd like to have really, really effective rPois, then cast statue form.
Officially ruining greatplayer statistics since Jan 18th, 2015.
I wrote the Melee Naga Guide.
Recording of my 15 rune 40k turn VSMo^Chei speedrun!
Ziggurat Zagger
Posts: 11111
Joined: Friday, 8th February 2013, 12:00
Re: rPois??
Full Windows 64 bit version can be downloaded at https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ufdv1a2qbn6b ... 9.zip?dl=0
I play offline.
Tartarus Sorceror
Posts: 1891
Joined: Monday, 1st April 2013, 04:41
Location: Toronto, Canada
Re: rPois??
Sandman25 wrote:Come on, everyone knows you don't need rPois for Spider, it's just a "nice to have" thing
This, except un-ironically.
- For this message the author Arrhythmia has received thanks: 2
- cerebovssquire, duvessa
Ziggurat Zagger
Posts: 11111
Joined: Friday, 8th February 2013, 12:00
Re: rPois??
Arrhythmia wrote:Sandman25 wrote:Come on, everyone knows you don't need rPois for Spider, it's just a "nice to have" thing
This, except un-ironically.
Yes, I know. You don't need rF+ to win, you don't need spells to win, you don't need any weapon except vorpal spear to win, you don't need Fighting to win, you don't need to play well to win. No smiles this time.
Basically any post with "you don't need" is meaningless because it's describing obvious.
Full Windows 64 bit version can be downloaded at https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ufdv1a2qbn6b ... 9.zip?dl=0
I play offline.
- For this message the author Sandman25 has received thanks:
- Arrhythmia
Re: rPois??
and into wrote:One really important thing rPois does is block the vast majority of damage from venom bolt and a lot of damage from poison arrow. It also 100% of the time prevents slow from yellow wasps and slow/paralysis from red wasps. Also gives rCurare. Also blocks effects of poison/noxious gas 100%.
In a lot of cases those things are more important than saving a !curing.
And Into, I specified the early game precisely because that is when it isn't good enough. I know quite well it can be great mid-late game. (Though it isn't necessary.) Also I am really not talking about rPois from devices but from native abilities.
Ziggurat Zagger
Posts: 6418
Joined: Friday, 6th July 2012, 12:48
Re: rPois??
Also you probably need rF to win unless you get really lucky.
Barkeep
Posts: 3890
Joined: Wednesday, 14th August 2013, 23:25
Location: USA
Re: rPois??
Agreed that it is very hard to win without at least having rF+ available as a swap. With lots of !resistance and being super careful you could probably manage, but if you get lots of OoF in Zot you will be screwed, and !resistance is not that common (and will be subject to frequent item destruction checks in Zot anyway, unless you have conservation).
rPois is more important for Snake than Spider, but both are doable without them, particularly if you don't mind not fully exploring every level and killing every enemy (you shouldn't mind) and perhaps burning a ?magic mapping where the staircases are elusive. You will want to drag a lot of !curing with you too, of course.
Sure, "doable" is not a useful description. But I don't just mean "possible for greatplayers," I mean "adjust your strategy somewhat and neither Snake nor (especially) Spider is *that* much more difficult without rPois, although they are much more annoying and you do need to be more careful." The problem with claims that rPois is necessary in those branches is that it leads to misunderstandings and bad play that will needlessly kill characters; for instance, I've actually seen people who think that going into Depths (!) at level 16 is less dangerous than doing Spider without rPois at level 16.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 116 guests