Where I Try To Win With a Draconian Summoner

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 17:41 by doubtofbuddha

So while, I have gotten close a few times I have yet to succeed at winning, due to a combination of dying in Zot and trying out the extended game before actually winning a 3 rune win. I have actually been doing generally worse lately though I am not sure it is due to my skills atrophying from a break or if the game has changed enough when I play.

So as of now I am trying to win with a Tengu Summoner. There are a few reasons for that. The first is simply that I like the idea of warrior-mages and tengus seem pretty geared for it. (Along with High Elves). I also like the idea of Tengu in general, though my attempts with the Air Elementalist have been less then exciting due to my poor ability to produce double bounces. So a Summoner seems like it could be fun. Summon an army of minions, wield a good melee weapon, and kill things seems like a reasonable strategy though I have not been able to make it past XL 10 so far.

So I am going to use this thread to keep track of my characters and experiences so far. Every time I either get a character farther than before, or suffer YASD I am going to post the character here and hopefully either get some advice or gain some personal insight into why I am failing.

Edit: Based on the suggestions herein, I think this is going to be focused on Draconian Summoners from here on out!

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 17:50 by doubtofbuddha

So the general strategy I have been following so far:
Basically learn the Summoning spells as I get them. I default to summoning as many small animals as needed to kill things on D1, but once I hit level 2 almost exclusively rely on Imps for monsters that I feel threatened by. I summon a hound if things get messy, and once I am able to get lvl 4 summons I get the lightning spire and use that when I am in an open area where it can attack effectively. Spells after that will depend on what books I pick up.

For skills, I go Summon until I hit level 10, then do a mix between spellcasting to reduce hunger costs, Dodge to not die, and Fighting to increase hp and general combat ability, a weapon skill if I have found a weapon that has convinced me to go in a particular path, or another spell skill if I have found an appealing book.

Goods are either Ash, Okawaru, or Vehemut depending on whom I find first, or Kiku if neither is the case and I have not found Ash. In case of a tie I go with Ash, mostly because I am less familiar with Ash and this gives me some good experience with the god.

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 18:02 by Sar

Ice Beasts are amazing, do not ignore Ice Beasts. Get a bit of Ice to get them working earlier.

Veh is sorta useless for a Summoner. Try Kiku, Kiku is strong.

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 18:08 by doubtofbuddha

Sar wrote:Ice Beasts are amazing, do not ignore Ice Beasts. Get a bit of Ice to get them working earlier.

Veh is sorta useless for a Summoner. Try Kiku, Kiku is strong.

Alright! I will do Ice Beasts with my current character. I also just edited my post to add in Kiku in case I have neither a strong indication to go for spells or weapons and have not found Ash, as is the case for my current character that just hit the temple.

I like Veh simply because Tengu are good with Conjurations, and his steady supply of spells give you some alternative attack vectors.

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 18:23 by Sandman25

Conjurations don't combine too well with Summoning since both spend MP. Choose one of them and specialize in it.

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 18:52 by doubtofbuddha

And my first death since starting this project. I thought this character was fairly promising, particularly with the sword I had found. While not something that is going to take me through the end game it was sufficient to ensure that I was comfortable binding it. Unfortunately, I made some poor choices (I went in the wrong direction and probably should have taken a potion of heal wounds), and was taken out by smite-happy orc priest.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. 1158 Quith the Unyielding the Summoner (level 8, -5/44 HPs) Began as a Tengu Summoner on May 11, 2014. Was an Initiate of Ashenzari. Killed by divine providence ... invoked by an orc priest (11 damage) ... on Level 7 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:32:38 (8126 turns). Quith the Unyielding the Summoner (Tengu Summoner) Turns: 8126, Time: 00:32:38 HP -5/44 AC 7 Str 8 XL: 8 Next: 22% MP 15/18 EV 17 Int 18 God: Ashenzari [......] Gold 140 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 4 memorised, 3 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . u - +10,+9 falchion of Subterfuge {slice, +Blink rF+ rC+} rCold + . . Clarity . l - +1 robe rNeg . . . Conserve + (no shield) rPois . rCorr + k - +1 hat (curse) rElec . rRot . y - +1 cloak {rCorr, Cons} (curse) SustAb . . Spirit . s - +0 pair of gloves rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet) MR ..... (no ring) w - cursed +3 ring of evasion @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: able to fly, beak, talons 3 a: Fly, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink You were on level 7 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Ashenzari. Ashenzari was noncommittal. You were starving. You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 8 of its levels. You collected 284 gold pieces. You spent 144 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons u - the cursed +10,+9 falchion of Subterfuge (weapon) {slice, +Blink rF+ rC+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It lets you blink. It has a curse placed upon it. Armour k - a cursed +1 hat (worn) l - a +1 robe (worn) s - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) y - a cursed +1 cloak of preservation (worn) Magical devices q - a wand of enslavement (12) {unknown} Comestibles c - 7 bread rations p - a lychee r - 6 beef jerkies Scrolls a - 2 scrolls of immolation {unknown} d - 3 scrolls of curse jewellery e - 4 scrolls of identify f - 2 scrolls of random uselessness {unknown} g - 2 scrolls of remove curse i - 2 scrolls of recharging {unknown} j - a scroll of magic mapping {unknown} o - 4 scrolls of teleportation {unknown} z - a scroll of enchant armour {unknown} A - a scroll of noise {unknown} C - 2 scrolls of curse armour Jewellery w - a cursed +3 ring of evasion (left hand) Potions h - 6 potions of curing m - 3 potions of resistance n - a potion of invisibility {unknown} Books b - a book of Callings Spells Type Level *Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1 *Call Imp Summoning 2 *Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 Summon Guardian Golem Hexes/Summoning 4 Summon Lightning Spire Summoning/Air 4 *Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 t - a book of Transfigurations Spells Type Level Stoneskin Transmutation/Earth 2 Ice Form Ice/Transmutation 4 Statue Form Transmutation/Earth 6 Dragon Form Transmutation 7 v - a book of Cantrips Spells Type Level Confusing Touch Hexes 1 Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1 *Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1 Apportation Translocation 1 Skills: - Level 2.0 Fighting + Level 1.3 Long Blades + Level 3.9 Dodging - Level 2.0 Stealth + Level 3.1 Spellcasting - Level 10.0 Summonings + Level 2.2 Ice Magic You had 3 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ #####... 1% 2 ##..... c - Call Canine Familiar Summ #####... 1% 3 ###.... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ ###..... 17% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (7/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Zin Shops: D:5 %=[!* D:6 [ Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can fly. You have a beak for a mouth. You have claws for feet. Message History w - Wait here. f - Follow me. Anything else - Stay silent. Gang up on whom? Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f - orc wizard Aim: an orc wizard, wielding a dagger and wearing a robe (hasn't noticed you) Attack! The orc wizard mumbles some strange words. The orc wizard blinks! You swap places. You swap places. The orc priest completely misses your crimson imp. The orc priest invokes the aid of Beogh against you. Something smites you! You are starving! The orc priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon you. Something smites you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The orc priest mumbles some strange prayers to Beogh against you. Something smites you! You die... .###.##### #..)..### ...#..<..####.......# .#.#.<.#.#.....)..#.# .#...#......#####.# # .#...#.#.########.# .#...###........#.# .#.... ...........# .#...##########.### .#...# #.# .#...# ###.### ##...# #.@55.# .... #.#h#o# #...#.# #####o# ...oo....# ######### You could see an orc priest, a friendly wolf, a friendly crimson imp and a friendly white imp. Vanquished Creatures An ice beast (D:7) A big kobold (D:7) An ogre (D:4) A water moccasin skeleton (D:6) 2 hounds (D:5) An iguana (D:6) 2 adders A worker ant (D:5) A shadow imp (D:5) 4 worms 5 giant geckos An ooze (D:1) 6 orcs 14 bats A bat skeleton (D:4) 7 hobgoblins 11 kobolds A ball python (D:1) 7 giant cockroaches A giant newt (D:2) 9 goblins 6 jackals An orc zombie (D:6) 3 quokkas 17 rats A rat skeleton (D:6) 106 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) 2 centaurs A sky beast (D:5) An ice beast (D:6) 2 ogres (D:7) Sigmund (D:2) A wyvern zombie (D:6) 2 scorpions A hound (D:4) 2 jellies An iguana (D:5) 2 worker ants An orc wizard (D:5) 6 gnolls 2 adders A worm (D:2) An iguana zombie (D:5) 2 giant geckos 8 orcs (D:5) 3 goblins 2 hobgoblins 8 jackals 2 bats A giant newt (D:1) A goblin skeleton (D:5) A jackal skeleton (D:5) 6 kobolds 3 rats 64 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A wolf (D:6) 6 crimson imps 14 hounds 3 shadow imps A bat (D:1) A quokka (D:1) 26 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 196 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Quith the Unyielding, the Tengu Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 3/3 79 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 222 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 3/5 237 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 879 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 12/19 MP: 7/7 1169 | D:1 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 1475 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 1895 | D:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 1915 | D:2 | Noticed Sigmund 2142 | D:2 | Killed Sigmund 2142 | D:2 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 2142 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/8 3058 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 11/11 3860 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3866 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3920 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 4036 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 4051 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 4051 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 4256 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4256 | D:5 | Found Ykeowk's Jewellery Shoppe. 4256 | D:5 | Found Vosutecelui's Antique Armour Shoppe. 4256 | D:5 | Noticed a centaur 4637 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/32 MP: 0/12 4922 | D:5 | Found Ymag's General Store. 5138 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 5276 | D:5 | Noticed a sky beast 5311 | D:5 | Killed a sky beast 5412 | D:5 | Killed a centaur 5535 | D:5 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 5762 | D:5 | Found Jixt's Distillery. 5780 | D:5 | Bought a runed cloak for 144 gold pieces 5783 | D:5 | Identified a +1 cloak of preservation (You bought it in a shop on level 5 of the Dungeon) 5796 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 10/14 5826 | D:5 | Found Plekluiwn's Food Emporium. 6202 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 6509 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 6528 | D:6 | Got the falchion of Subterfuge {slice, +Blink rF+ rC+} 6529 | D:6 | Identified the +10,+9 falchion of Subterfuge {slice, +Blink rF+ rC+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 6604 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 6721 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 7150 | D:6 | Found Aquobuykha's Armour Boutique. 7862 | D:7 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 38/44 MP: 15/17 7992 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades 8126 | D:7 | Killed from afar by an orc priest Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 14 | | || 14 Short sword | 61 | 149 | 33 || 243 Falchion | | | 40 || 40 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 11 | | || 11 Call Imp | 12 | 22 | 14 || 48 Call Canine Famil | 2 | 13 | 14 || 29 Use: Scroll | | 4 | 2 || 6 Stab: Distracted | 1 | 2 | 2 || 5 Sleeping | 2 | 3 | 2 || 7

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 19:30 by doubtofbuddha

And another promising Tengu Summoner cut down when I chose to run rather than use my healing capabilities to ensure continued life. I think perhaps I should be taking advantage of Fly a bit more often?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. 2311 Quith the Unyielding the Summoner (level 9, 0/52 HPs) Began as a Tengu Summoner on May 11, 2014. Was an Initiate of Ashenzari. Killed by divine providence ... invoked by an orc priest (12 damage) ... on Level 8 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:33:34 (9993 turns). Quith the Unyielding the Summoner (Tengu Summoner) Turns: 9993, Time: 00:33:34 HP 0/52 AC 4 Str 9 XL: 9 Next: 25% MP 13/21 EV 15 Int 18 God: Ashenzari [......] Gold 262 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 4 memorised, 7 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . B - +4 scimitar (curse) rCold + . . Clarity . m - +2 robe {rC+ rF+} (curse) rNeg . . . Conserve . (no shield) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . (no cloak) SustAb . . Spirit . (no gloves) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet) MR ..... (no ring) (no ring) @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: able to fly, beak, talons 3 a: Fly, Renounce Religion You were on level 8 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Ashenzari. Ashenzari was noncommittal. You were very hungry. You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 9 of its levels. You collected 262 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons e - a +0,+0 quarterstaff r - a +2,+2 flail of protection B - a cursed +4,+4 scimitar (weapon) Armour m - a cursed +2 robe of resistance (worn) Magical devices g - a wand of random effects (21) {unknown} Comestibles c - 6 bread rations j - 4 meat rations s - a rambutan J - 6 beef jerkies K - 2 pears Scrolls a - a scroll of enchant weapon I h - 2 scrolls of teleportation i - 2 scrolls of remove curse l - 3 scrolls of curse jewellery o - a scroll of curse armour p - a scroll of curse weapon t - 2 scrolls of enchant armour v - a scroll of torment {unknown} H - 4 scrolls of magic mapping Potions d - a potion of invisibility f - 2 potions of heal wounds k - a potion of might {unknown} n - a potion of brilliance {unknown} q - 2 potions of restore abilities u - 4 potions of curing w - a potion of haste {unknown} A - 2 potions of magic {unknown} C - a potion of resistance Books b - a book of Callings Spells Type Level *Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1 *Call Imp Summoning 2 *Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 Summon Guardian Golem Hexes/Summoning 4 Summon Lightning Spire Summoning/Air 4 *Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 Skills: + Level 4.5 Fighting + Level 5.4 Dodging - Level 2.0 Stealth + Level 4.5 Spellcasting - Level 10.0 Summonings + Level 4.1 Ice Magic You had 7 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ #####... 1% 2 #...... c - Call Canine Familiar Summ #####... 1% 3 ###.... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ ####.... 10% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (8/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair: D:8-11 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Elyvilon Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul The Shining One Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can fly. You have a beak for a mouth. You have claws for feet. Message History The orc warrior hits your wolf with a long sword! Your wolf bites the orc warrior. Your wolf bites the orc warrior but does no damage. Your ice beast hits the orc warrior but does no damage. The orc warrior hits your ice beast with a long sword. Your ice beast dies! Your wolf gazes forward, looking utterly alone. Your wolf barely misses the orc warrior. Your wolf bites the orc warrior. The orc warrior closely misses your wolf. Your wolf barely misses the orc warrior. Your wolf bites the orc warrior but does no damage. The orc priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon you. Something smites you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Your wolf closely misses the orc warrior. The orc warrior hits your wolf with a long sword! The orc priest invokes the aid of Beogh against you. Something smites you! You die... ..# #.# #### #.# #o# #o# #h## #..# ##.# #.# #.# #.# #@# #.# #.# ##############.# ...............# ################ You could see an orc warrior, an orc priest and a friendly wolf. Vanquished Creatures 2 centaurs A big kobold (D:8) A black bear zombie (D:5) An elf zombie (D:8) 5 hounds An orc wizard (D:8) 6 worker ants An ogre skeleton (D:7) 5 adders A gnoll (D:3) 2 shadow imps (D:7) A worm (D:8) 2 adder skeletons An adder zombie (D:7) 2 giant eyeballs 4 giant geckos 10 orcs 2 ball pythons 2 giant cockroaches 13 goblins 11 hobgoblins 5 jackals 15 kobolds 4 quokkas 13 bats 2 giant newts 10 rats 123 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A troll (D:8) 3 wolves (D:8) A necrophage (D:7) A phantom (D:4) A yellow wasp (D:7) A centaur (D:6) 6 ogres 7 wights (D:6) 4 crimson imps A goliath beetle (D:6) A centaur zombie (D:6) 4 hounds 2 orc priests 3 iguanas A worker ant (D:5) 2 orc wizards Jessica (D:3) 5 adders 7 gnolls 2 shadow imps (D:6) 6 worms 2 giant geckos 18 orcs A bat skeleton (D:4) A bat zombie (D:7) 2 giant cockroaches (D:1) 6 hobgoblins 2 jackals (D:8) A goblin (D:2) A jackal skeleton (D:4) 3 kobolds A kobold zombie (D:5) 2 rats A rat skeleton (D:5) 101 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 3 wolves 3 ice beasts (D:8) 6 crimson imps 17 hounds An iron imp (D:4) 5 shadow imps 6 white imps 2 bats (D:1) 4 quokkas 2 rats (D:1) 49 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 273 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Quith the Unyielding, the Tengu Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 3/3 94 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 285 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/5 439 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 933 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/19 MP: 7/7 1097 | D:1 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 1867 | D:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 1997 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 2018 | D:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 2297 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 10/24 MP: 6/8 2751 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica 2754 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 2759 | D:3 | Killed Jessica 2985 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/28 MP: 5/11 3070 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 3464 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3488 | D:4 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 3500 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3500 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 3748 | D:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 3784 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3787 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3805 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3805 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 4/12 3811 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 4143 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 4847 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 5226 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 29/36 MP: 14/14 5494 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5508 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 5516 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 5701 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 5706 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 6054 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 6739 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/44 MP: 13/17 8148 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8153 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8182 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 8444 | D:7 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 8505 | D:7 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 8751 | D:7 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 8751 | D:7 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 8831 | D:8 | Noticed a troll 8851 | D:8 | Killed a troll 9329 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 9329 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/52 MP: 12/21 9993 | D:8 | Killed from afar by an orc priest Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 7 | | || 7 Mace | 100 | 7 | || 107 Quarterstaff | | 26 | || 26 Flail | | 66 | 92 || 158 Scimitar | | | 108 || 108 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 19 | | || 19 Call Imp | | 28 | 29 || 57 Call Canine Famil | | 10 | 27 || 37 Summon Ice Beast | | | 4 || 4 Use: Scroll | | | 19 || 19 Stab: Sleeping | 7 | 1 | 4 || 12 Distracted | 1 | 1 | 3 || 5

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 19:36 by and into

First death:
I would actually say that your biggest mistake was not using scrolls of identify to ID more of your consumables. That potion of invisibility could have saved you, and identifying scrolls of teleportation should be one of your top priorities early on.

Your skill training was reasonable, though I would have been training only ice and once ice beasts was down to ~12% failure and yellow/white, then I would switch to training only dodging for defenses for a while. Then weapon skill and fighting before getting more summoning spells. (Ice Beasts are really solid up to about Vaults. Lightning Spire is powerful and lots of fun too, though.)

Second death:
Orc priests are bastards. For everyone, but especially for low-HP species. You aren't supposed to kill everything you come across in Crawl. You have potions of invisibility and scrolls of teleportation and fear and the like for a reason. Use them and run away, come back and kick its butt later if you want vengeance. Running into an orc priest relatively early on a low HP character is about an order of magnitude more dangerous than running into a dragon much later on a level ~18 character. Use your consumables against tough stuff early or you will keep dying around D:7 to D:9.

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 20:54 by doubtofbuddha

1) Ah. Yeah, I am usually good about it. Carelessness.
2) Thanks! I am always uncertain about how much to push towards trying to conserve consumables vs. not. That is useful information.

Oh, and here is #3. This time I hit a particularly late/rough entrance to Lair and got owned by an old ghost of mine. Urgh. I was on my escape location too.

Further notes. I had a potion of heal wounds in my inventory. I also made a significant mistake early on level 11, namely I tripped a Mark trap and rather than immediately heading back to the stair up, I tried to run to a corridor. I got boxed in and had to use 4 potions of heal wounds and my only scroll of teleport to escape. If I had those potions of heal wounds (and well, used the one I had) I might have been able to get away from my ghost.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. 6660 Quith the Unyielding the Summoner (level 11, -33/54 HPs) Began as a Tengu Summoner on May 11, 2014. Was a Believer of Ashenzari. Killed from afar by Saladin's ghost (35 damage) ... with a shard of ice ... on Level 11 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 01:08:44 (17329 turns). Quith the Unyielding the Summoner (Tengu Summoner) Turns: 17329, Time: 01:08:45 HP -33/54 AC 8 Str 8 XL: 11 Next: 1% MP 23/28 EV 18 Int 21 God: Ashenzari [**....] Gold 123 SH 13 Dex 19 Spells: 5 memorised, 13 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . P - +5,+4 flail (drain) (curse) rCold + . . Clarity . A - +5 leather armour of Hadjma {rC+ Acc+3} rNeg . . . Conserve . F - +1 buckler rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . (no cloak) SustAb . . Spirit . (no gloves) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet) MR ..... w - +4 ring of dexterity C - cursed ring of protection from fire @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: able to fly, beak, claws 1, talons 3, clever 1 a: Fly, Renounce Religion You were on level 11 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Ashenzari. Ashenzari was pleased with you. You were not hungry. You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 13 of its levels. You collected 365 gold pieces. You spent 242 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons P - a cursed +5,+4 flail of draining (weapon) T - the +10,+6 short sword of Plawnaz {flame, Hunger MR++} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of hydra-hunters. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It speeds your metabolism. Armour A - the cursed +5 leather armour of Hadjma (worn) {rC+ Acc+3} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3). It protects you from cold. It has a curse placed upon it. F - a +1 buckler (worn) Magical devices b - a wand of polymorph (14) q - a wand of digging (17) r - a wand of cold (8) t - a wand of digging (14) K - a wand of hasting (2) L - a wand of enslavement (13) R - a wand of confusion (7) V - a wand of digging (12) Comestibles c - 12 bread rations f - 2 rotting chunks of worker ant flesh h - a pear i - 4 apples j - a choko D - 10 grapes Scrolls e - 4 scrolls of recharging l - a scroll of enchant weapon I u - 2 scrolls of enchant armour x - a scroll of enchant weapon II y - a scroll of remove curse G - 2 scrolls of fog Q - a scroll of curse jewellery Jewellery d - an uncursed amulet of stasis w - a +4 ring of dexterity (right claw) C - a cursed ring of protection from fire (left claw) I - an uncursed ring of magical power Potions a - a potion of mutation g - a potion of cure mutation k - 2 potions of curing m - a potion of haste n - a potion of might o - 2 potions of restore abilities p - a potion of resistance s - 2 potions of agility v - a potion of heal wounds E - 2 potions of brilliance J - a potion of magic S - a potion of flight Skills: + Level 4.6(6.8) Maces & Flails + Level 9.4 Dodging - Level 2.0 Stealth - Level 5.8 Shields + Level 7.9 Spellcasting - Level 10.7 Summonings - Level 2.2 Ice Magic You had 13 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ ######.. 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ ######.. 1% 3 None d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ #####... 6% 4 ###.... e - Blink Tloc N/A 14% 2 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (0/8) D:11 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:10 ==%% D:11 ?* Annotations: D:7 exclusion: oklob plant, Quith the Unyielding's ghost, experienced TeSu D:11 Maurice; Saladin's ghost, powerful DrCj Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can fly. You have a beak for a mouth. You have claws for feet. You have sharp fingernails. Your mind is acute. (Int +2) Message History The orb of energy hits you! Ouch! That really hurt! The orb of energy explodes! The battlesphere fires! The barrage of energy hits you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Your wolf bites the elephant. Your wolf bites the elephant but does no damage. The elephant tramples your wolf. Your wolf stumbles backwards! You see here a +0,+0 dagger. Your wolf barely misses the elephant. Saladin's ghost casts a spell at you. The shard of ice misses you. The battlesphere fires! The barrage of energy hits you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Your wolf bites the elephant. There is a staircase to the Lair here. You can't go up here! Your wolf bites the elephant. Saladin's ghost gestures at you while chanting. The shard of ice hits you! You partially resist. Ouch! That really hurt! 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Vanquished Creatures A gargoyle (D:10) An elephant (D:12) A troll (D:10) A griffon zombie (D:12) A spriggan (D:7) A wyvern (D:8) 3 ogres A yellow wasp (D:12) A crocodile (D:9) 2 centaurs An ice beast (D:10) 3 giant frogs 3 scorpions A wight (D:12) 4 crimson imps 6 hounds A black bear zombie (D:5) 3 jellies 2 orc wizards (D:4) 4 worker ants Jessica (D:2) A killer bee (D:8) A mummy (D:12) 8 adders 4 shadow imps A giant mite (D:1) 3 worms An iguana zombie (D:9) 3 giant eyeballs 7 giant geckos 7 orcs 8 giant cockroaches 12 goblins 15 hobgoblins 20 kobolds 4 quokkas A ball python (D:6) 9 bats A giant newt (D:4) A giant spore (D:7) 11 jackals 5 orc skeletons 12 rats 177 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) The ghost of Danerys the Slicer, a powerful VSAs of Dithmenos (D:9) 2 hill giants (D:12) Joseph (D:12) A cyclops (D:12) A gargoyle (D:12) An elephant (D:11) A komodo dragon (D:11) 2 wyverns A deep elf mage (D:9) 2 yaks Edmund (D:5) Menkaure (D:5) An ogre zombie (D:11) An orc warrior (D:12) 2 sky beasts An ice beast (D:8) 7 ogres A black bear (D:12) Duvessa (D:7) 4 giant frogs A big kobold (D:9) The ghost of Quith the Unyielding the Caller, an average TeSu (D:4) 2 centaurs A troll zombie (D:12) 8 killer bees A scorpion (D:5) 3 crimson imps Dowan (D:7) 5 orc priests 4 jellies A giant frog zombie (D:8) A soldier ant zombie (D:12) 2 hounds 2 big fish (D:7) 6 orc wizards A worker ant (D:5) A goliath beetle (D:9) 9 gnolls 4 green rats (D:2) 5 adders An iguana (D:11) An inept feature mimic (D:2) 2 shadow imps A giant mite (D:8) 2 worms An adder skeleton (D:8) 2 giant eyeballs 12 orcs 2 goblins 6 hobgoblins A jackal (D:4) 10 kobolds 2 quokkas (D:4) 2 ball pythons 4 bats A giant cockroach (D:1) A giant newt (D:1) 2 rats 145 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 29 wolves A warg (D:10) 14 ice beasts 8 hounds 11 crimson imps An iron imp (D:11) A shadow imp (D:10) 11 white imps 2 bats (D:1) A quokka (D:1) A rat (D:1) 80 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 402 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Quith the Unyielding, the Tengu Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 3/3 65 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 267 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 10/15 MP: 1/5 272 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 386 | D:1 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 817 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 12/19 MP: 7/7 990 | D:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 1047 | D:1 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 1749 | D:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1755 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica 1764 | D:2 | Killed Jessica 1764 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 22/24 MP: 5/8 2548 | D:2 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 3173 | D:2 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/28 MP: 11/11 3878 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 4932 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 5245 | D:4 | Noticed Quith the Unyielding's ghost (average TeSu) 5261 | D:4 | Killed Quith the Unyielding's ghost 5261 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 18/32 MP: 1/12 5619 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 5861 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 5886 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 6430 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6458 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 18/36 MP: 5/14 6757 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 7480 | D:5 | Noticed Edmund 7490 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 7504 | D:5 | Killed Edmund 7625 | D:5 | Noticed Menkaure 8063 | D:5 | Killed Menkaure 8063 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 8183 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 19/41 MP: 15/17 8978 | D:6 | Got a pitted leather armour 8985 | D:6 | Identified the +5 leather armour of Hadjma {rC+ Acc+3} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 9582 | D:6 | Got an encrusted short sword 9583 | D:6 | Identified the +10,+6 short sword of Plawnaz {flame, Hunger MR++} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 9725 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You have sharp fingernails. [potion of beneficial mutation] 9726 | D:6 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 9872 | D:7 | Noticed Dowan 9881 | D:7 | Noticed Duvessa 9892 | D:7 | Killed Duvessa 9894 | D:7 | Killed Dowan 10195 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 10223 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 10266 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 10456 | D:7 | Noticed Quith the Unyielding's ghost (experienced TeSu) 10547 | D:7 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 10560 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 10579 | D:7 | Noticed an oklob plant 10739 | D:7 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 10781 | D:7 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 10890 | D:7 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 11093 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 27/45 MP: 21/21 11429 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 11891 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 11898 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 12995 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 13396 | D:9 | Noticed Danerys' ghost (powerful VSAs) 13440 | D:9 | Killed Danerys' ghost 13521 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 13530 | D:10 | Found Xeagihaivoe's Food Shoppe. 13583 | D:10 | Noticed a gargoyle 13616 | D:10 | Killed a gargoyle 13792 | D:10 | Found Gaisad's Food Shoppe. 13997 | D:10 | Found Keblal's Jewellery Shop. 14009 | D:10 | Bought a cursed ring of protection from fire for 242 gold pieces 14105 | D:10 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 27/50 MP: 19/25 14118 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 14587 | D:10 | Found Cheoz's Jewellery Emporium. 14642 | D:10 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 14733 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 14738 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 14739 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 14745 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 14769 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 14776 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 14780 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 14783 | D:11 | Found Foynk's Assorted Antiques. 14798 | D:11 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 14832 | D:11 | Found Huh Ovy's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 14833 | D:11 | Noticed Maurice 15287 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 15294 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 15294 | D:12 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 15571 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 15588 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 16077 | D:12 | Noticed a cyclops 16178 | D:12 | Noticed Joseph 16180 | D:12 | Noticed a cyclops 16274 | D:12 | Killed Joseph 16575 | D:12 | Killed a cyclops 16729 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 16734 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 16755 | D:11 | Killed an elephant 17057 | D:12 | Killed an elephant 17173 | D:12 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 44/54 MP: 28/28 17319 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 17319 | D:11 | Noticed Saladin's ghost (powerful DrCj) 17328 | D:11 | HP: 2/54 [battlesphere[Saladin's ghost] (6)] 17329 | D:11 | Killed from afar by Saladin's ghost Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Hand axe | 35 | | | || 35 Dagger | 26 | 202 | | || 228 Short sword | | | 56 | || 56 Flail | | | 159 | 117 || 276 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 9 | | | || 9 Call Imp | 2 | 36 | 46 | 7 || 91 Call Canine Famil | | 8 | 38 | 24 || 70 Summon Ice Beast | | | | 28 || 28 Evoke: Wand | | | 9 | 1 || 10 Use: Scroll | | 6 | 18 | 2 || 26 Potion | | | 3 | 3 || 6 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | 7 | 3 | || 11 Distracted | 1 | 1 | 4 | 1 || 7

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 20:57 by Sar

Please paste dumps in code tags, not spoiler tags.

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 21:09 by doubtofbuddha

Sar wrote:Please paste dumps in code tags, not spoiler tags.

Done!

Also, I found an altar of Jivya on D:2. Should I go for it, or is that insane for a Summoner?

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 21:38 by Sar

Jiyva is fun!

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 22:33 by DracheReborn

With Tengu, yes, you want to fly all the time basically because of the EV bonus. The only real downside of flying is the tediousness of renewing it (well, until you run into monsters with Airstrike). Thankfully, once you hit XL 15 you can just fly permanently.

Perhaps not the advice you're looking for, but I wouldn't recommend Te for someone who's still working on basic crawl tactics. Don't be fooled by the nice apts, the low HP hurts a lot more (I know this from having killed off dozens of tengu, ha). If you want to play a sturdy warrior-mage type as you stated in the first post, I'd recommend Draconian instead (high HP, built-in AC, and decent apts).

Sunday, 11th May 2014, 23:49 by Patashu

Don't fight player ghosts that have spells (xv them to check) (or draconian ghosts xl7 or higher because their breath is basically a spell) before clearing out lair, because their spells will be stupidly powerful and annihilate you (as you found out).

Monday, 12th May 2014, 00:25 by doubtofbuddha

I did not actually try to fight it. I saw it as I was heading to the lair staircase and it killed me before I could get down, unfortunately.

I am currently trying out a Draconian Summoner and it is actually going pretty well. It is my first DrSu attempt and I already got farther than any of my TeSu, even with getting worse equipment. This is what I have at the moment:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. Dracus Sonus the Summoner (DrSu) Turns: 24636, Time: 01:28:05 HP 106/106 AC 16 Str 10 XL: 12 Next: 47% MP 25/25 EV 18 Int 19 God: Ashenzari [****..] Gold 875 SH 13 Dex 14 Spells: 4 memorised, 13 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis + K - +3 war axe rCold . . . Clarity + (armour unavailable) rNeg + . . Conserve . k - +1 buckler (curse) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . (no cloak) SustAb . . Spirit . d - +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} rMut . Warding + (no boots) Saprov . . . Stasis . E - amulet of warding MR ++... t - cursed ring of sustenance p - cursed ring of protection from fire @: very resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: walk through water, unfitting armour, unbreathing, AC +13 a: Scrying, Renounce Religion You are on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is greatly pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels. You have collected 875 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons K - a +3,+3 war axe (weapon) Armour d - the cursed +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" (worn) {MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It has a curse placed upon it. k - a cursed +1 buckler (worn) Magical devices g - a wand of heal wounds (3) v - a wand of slowing {zapped: 1} x - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 1} I - a wand of lightning {zapped: 1} J - a gold wand Comestibles f - 7 meat rations z - 6 pears C - 3 chunks of hippogriff flesh D - 2 bread rations R - 3 rotting chunks of crocodile flesh Scrolls e - 4 scrolls of remove curse i - 3 scrolls of identify j - 2 scrolls labeled LUKOSK EREAPTI m - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I q - a scroll of teleportation B - a scroll of enchant armour F - a scroll labeled NUCUYR XA FOERPH G - 2 scrolls of silence Q - a scroll of fog Jewellery a - an uncursed ring of positive energy p - a cursed ring of protection from fire (left hand) t - a cursed ring of sustenance (right hand) u - an uncursed ring of fire y - an uncursed amulet of faith E - an amulet of warding (around neck) Potions c - a potion of haste h - 2 potions of berserk rage l - a potion of might n - 4 potions of brilliance o - 6 potions of curing r - 2 potions of porridge w - 3 potions of heal wounds A - a potion of lignification L - 2 potions of invisibility N - 2 potions of restore abilities Books b - a book of Callings Spells Type Level *Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1 *Call Imp Summoning 2 *Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 Summon Guardian Golem Hexes/Summoning 4 Summon Lightning Spire Summoning/Air 4 *Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 s - a book of Changes Spells Type Level Beastly Appendage Transmutation 1 Sticks to Snakes Transmutation 2 Spider Form Transmutation/Poison 3 Ice Form Ice/Transmutation 4 Blade Hands Transmutation 5 M - a book of Debilitation Spells Type Level Corona Hexes 1 Slow Hexes 2 Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 Enslavement Hexes 4 Cause Fear Hexes 4 Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 P - a book of the Tempests Spells Type Level Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 Tornado Air 9 Shatter Earth 9 Magical staves O - an uncursed staff of cold Miscellaneous H - a fan of gales Skills: - Level 10.0 Fighting - Level 10.0 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 5.9(8.2) Shields - Level 6.1 Spellcasting + Level 12.0(14.0) Summonings - Level 6.1(8.5) Ice Magic You have 13 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ ######.. 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ ######.. 1% 3 ##..... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ #####... 1% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (9/15) Temple (0/1) D:6 Lair (7/8) D:9 Swamp (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:4 Orc: D:9-12 Slime: Lair:6-8 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Fedhas Yredelemnul Zin Shops: D:8 * Annotations: Lair:1 Fannar Lair:7 exclusion: 2 oklob plants Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk through water. Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard (AC +13). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You can survive without breathing. Message History You block the hippogriff's attack. The hippogriff pecks you but does no damage. The hippogriff closely misses you. x2 The hippogriff completely misses you. The hippogriff barely misses you. You hit the hippogriff. The hippogriff is almost dead. The hippogriff misses you. You block the hippogriff's attack. The hippogriff misses you. You slash the hippogriff! You kill the hippogriff! Your Summonings skill increases to level 12! No target in view! You see here a hippogriff corpse. You start butchering the hippogriff corpse. You continue butchering the corpse. x3 You finish butchering the hippogriff corpse. You can't pick everything up without burdening yourself. C - 3 chunks of hippogriff flesh Things that are here: a hippogriff skeleton; 2 chunks of hippogriff flesh Saving game... please wait. # * * * #..### . * *, *, #..#..######.f .#.......##..... , , ............#.... , , .................... ,, , ........@............ . .....................#P , ...............$...... ...................... ...................... ,,..................... ......(............. , .................... ..................... ,, ...................... There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures 3 komodo dragons The ghost of Jalanthian Fury the Summoner, an experienced TeSu (D:5) A basilisk (Lair:4) 5 yaks 2 sharks 5 hippogriffs 4 wolves 5 water moccasins A phantom (D:4) A black bear (Lair:6) 6 porcupines A centaur (D:7) 2 giant goldfish 6 crocodiles Duvessa (D:8) 9 giant slugs A big kobold (D:8) 16 giant frogs 3 scorpions Dowan (D:8) 3 crimson imps 2 orc wizards 9 hounds 8 worker ants 2 iguanas (Lair:1) 11 sheep A gnoll (D:2) 13 adders A worm zombie (D:9) An inept feature mimic (D:4) 2 shadow imps 2 giant mites (Lair:6) 20 green rats An inept item mimic (D:6) 3 worms An adder zombie (D:6) A giant eyeball (D:4) 4 giant geckos An ooze (D:7) 8 orcs 4 giant cockroaches 11 hobgoblins 16 kobolds 10 quokkas 17 bats 4 giant newts 16 goblins A hobgoblin zombie (D:6) 21 jackals A jackal skeleton (D:8) 20 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 9 ballistomycetes 299 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Harold (Lair:1) 6 hydras The ghost of Conar the Carver, an experienced DsGl of Makhleb (Lair:1) An orb spider (Lair:4) Erolcha (D:9) Joseph (Lair:1) 2 black mambas 9 spiny frogs A spriggan druid (Lair:6) 5 komodo dragons 2 fire drakes Grinder (D:4) A polar bear (Lair:2) A two-headed ogre (D:9) 3 grizzly bears 12 blink frogs A basilisk (Lair:4) 20 yaks 2 sharks A wyvern (Lair:6) 2 hippogriffs 4 porcupines 5 wolves 2 wargs (D:9) 11 water moccasins An ice beast (Lair:1) A sky beast (D:8) 4 black bears 3 ogres An orc warrior (D:9) 5 crocodiles Sigmund (D:3) 4 giant slugs Blork the orc (D:5) 3 giant frogs A scorpion (D:4) An eye of draining (D:9) 2 goliath beetles A crimson imp (D:2) A gnoll shaman (D:7) 3 iguanas A big fish (Lair:6) 2 hounds An orc wizard (D:5) 2 orc priests 3 worker ants 9 sheep 34 green rats 7 adders 11 gnolls A worm (D:2) A giant gecko (Lair:2) An ooze (D:2) 9 orcs 3 hobgoblins 8 jackals 3 kobolds 4 quokkas 3 bats A giant cockroach (D:7) A giant newt (D:2) 3 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) 5 rats A fungus (Lair:2) A plant (Lair:2) 245 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 9 wolves 75 ice beasts 18 crimson imps 26 hounds An iron imp (D:8) 7 shadow imps 19 white imps A bat (D:1) 3 quokkas 2 giant spores A rat (D:1) 2 fungi 2 plants 166 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 710 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Dracus Sonus, the Draconian Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 407 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 412 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 1084 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 1084 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/26 MP: 6/6 1089 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 1631 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 7/33 MP: 3/7 2124 | D:2 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2430 | D:3 | HP: 1/33 [poisoned by a kobold] 2898 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 3692 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/38 MP: 3/9 3775 | D:3 | Noticed Sigmund 3820 | D:3 | Killed Sigmund 3915 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 4284 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 4415 | D:4 | Noticed Grinder 4443 | D:4 | Killed Grinder 4443 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/45 MP: 0/10 4682 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 4699 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 5466 | D:4 | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour. 5466 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [draconian maturity] 5466 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 22/50 MP: 12/12 5881 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 5881 | D:4 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 5899 | D:4 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 6007 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 6106 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6197 | D:5 | Noticed Jalanthian Fury's ghost (experienced TeSu) 6245 | D:5 | Killed Jalanthian Fury's ghost 6245 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 7016 | D:5 | Noticed Blork the orc 7030 | D:5 | Killed Blork the orc 7560 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 7560 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 44/57 MP: 7/13 7585 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 7660 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8009 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 8781 | D:8 | Noticed Duvessa 8781 | D:8 | Noticed Dowan 8894 | D:8 | Found Ojott's General Store. 9276 | D:8 | Got the uncursed pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} 9382 | D:7 | Identified the +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 10410 | D:8 | Killed Dowan 10443 | D:8 | Killed Duvessa 10883 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 11267 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 11267 | D:9 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 62/62 MP: 19/21 11318 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic 11485 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 11497 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 11574 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11721 | D:9 | Killed Erolcha 12051 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 12232 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12266 | Lair:1 | Noticed Conar's ghost (experienced DsGl) 12321 | Lair:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 12342 | Lair:1 | Killed Conar's ghost 12919 | Lair:1 | Noticed Fannar 12922 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 12933 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 12996 | Lair:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 13138 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 20/69 MP: 19/24 13363 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spiny frog 13373 | Lair:2 | Killed a spiny frog 13430 | Lair:2 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 13445 | Lair:2 | Killed a four-headed hydra 13445 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 13445 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 13919 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spiny frog 13937 | Lair:2 | Killed a spiny frog 14886 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 14902 | Lair:1 | Killed a four-headed hydra 14998 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 15005 | Lair:1 | Noticed Joseph 15006 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 15015 | Lair:1 | Killed Joseph 15179 | Lair:1 | Noticed Harold 15290 | Lair:1 | Killed Harold 15290 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 40/74 MP: 14/25 16944 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 17211 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 18426 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 18607 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 18742 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 18890 | Lair:4 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 19280 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 19280 | Lair:4 | Noticed an orb spider 19301 | Lair:4 | Killed an orb spider 19826 | Lair:4 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 20632 | Lair:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 20844 | Lair:5 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 20864 | Lair:5 | Killed a six-headed hydra 20864 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 105/105 MP: 1/25 21032 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 21830 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 22604 | Lair:6 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 22615 | Lair:6 | Killed a six-headed hydra 22615 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 11 in Summonings 23671 | Lair:7 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 23677 | Lair:7 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 23865 | Lair:7 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 24629 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 12 in Summonings Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 25 | | | || 25 Spear | 141 | 332 | 173 | || 646 War axe | | | 377 | 786 || 1163 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 7 | | | || 7 Call Imp | 8 | 18 | 38 | 15 || 79 Call Canine Famil | | 14 | 33 | 9 || 56 Summon Ice Beast | | | 25 | 157 || 182 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 5 || 7 Use: Scroll | 2 | 2 | 27 | 6 || 37 Potion | | | | 3 || 3 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 5 | 4 | 5 || 16 Distracted | | | 1 | 8 || 9

Trying to figure out what to do next with skills. Currently I have a +3, +1 bardiche of holy might in my stash. Carrying all my current spellbooks. I see no clear direction with what I have, so I am just training Summoning at the moment.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 00:29 by Sar

When I said about not ignoring Ice Beasts, I didn't mean you should ignore Lightning Spire, it's a good spell too.
Training a spell school when you can cast all your spells is a bad idea, I usually train defensive skills as my "default" ones (Fighting, Dodging).
Also bardiche is probably too much for a ~hybrid~ that isn't a Merfolk, and HW is a worthless brand in normal game anyway.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 00:36 by doubtofbuddha

Sar wrote:When I said about not ignoring Ice Beasts, I didn't mean you should ignore Lightning Spire, it's a good spell too.
Training a spell school when you can cast all your spells is a bad idea, I usually train defensive skills as my "default" ones (Fighting, Dodging).
Also bardiche is probably too much for a ~hybrid~ that isn't a Merfolk, and HW is a worthless brand in normal game anyway.

Done!
Also, I just found Scroll of Acquirement 2 (and a Scimitar of Fire).

I am guessing I should just hold onto it?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 00:50 by Patashu

doubtofbuddha wrote:I did not actually try to fight it. I saw it as I was heading to the lair staircase and it killed me before I could get down, unfortunately.

Walking towards/through the LoS of something dangerous is just as dangerous as fighting it for the same amount of time. Maybe you should have kited it at the edge of LoS to another part of the level, then snuck around behind it to get to the lair entry (either by using a staircase to get elsewhere on the level or by taking a loop on the level)?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 01:04 by doubtofbuddha

The game is taunting me with bardiches. Just found a +3, +10 one of chop and +Fly. Also a +2, +1 lajatang?

Also, found a potion of experience. These seem hyper-rare as I rarely seem to run into them. I still have not seen anything that screams "train me" as far as primary weapons go. I am guessing the potion of experience lets me hold off on that though. I am guessing I probably should hold off on making a decision until after I see what is in Orc: 4?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 01:08 by Sar

Quaff XP now. Lajatang does scream "train me", though I'd be tempted to train a +10 bardiche with Ash bonus - probably not the best idea though. What brand?

Edit: use scrolls of acquirement as soon as you find them. Wands is a good category.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 01:26 by doubtofbuddha

Sar wrote:Quaff XP now. Lajatang does scream "train me", though I'd be tempted to train a +10 bardiche with Ash bonus - probably not the best idea though. What brand?

Edit: use scrolls of acquirement as soon as you find them. Wands is a good category.

It has chop! and +Fly. So nothing super-exciting, but still solid. (Also found vampiric trident; I am guessing vampiric does not make up for the fact it is a trident.)

What wands should I be particularly interested? I know you want to have the big triad (healing, haste, and teleport) and I already have two of the three (healing and teleport). Does that change my decision structure at all?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 01:29 by Sar

You definitely want haste in some form, and wand is one of best forms. Vamp trident - you can make that work, but you probably don't want to bother. Lajatangs are a great ~hybrid~ weapon and you have one.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 02:10 by doubtofbuddha

Alright this is where I am at now:

Possible weapons include the Lajatang +2/+1 with the goal of building towards the endgame, the +2/+10 bardiche of chop + Fly, and this +2/+1 eveningstar of protection I got off of Donald.

I also found the books of spatial translocations, the Necronomicon, the Book of Annhilations, and the Book of Power. The only thing remotely Summoning related I have found is a book with Summon Mana Viper. Which I know nothing about... (off to research).

None of these really scream at me if I want to focus on a hybrid summoner at the moment, so my current plan is to go with whatever weapon that the good people decide is my best bet and then focus on fighting skills until I find a book that lets me expand my summoning skills. I am going to use the scroll of acquirement for a wand and then the potion of experience to train staves to get the lajatang (or whatever weapon I am directed to) where it needs to be.

Next step will be to dive down into the Dungeon until the Depths and then I am going to try to deal with the Dire Elephants in Lair: 8. Then maybe Swamp?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. Dracus Sonus the Fighter (Grey Draconian Summoner) Turns: 44660, Time: 02:59:08 HP 130/130 AC 26 Str 10 XL: 14 Next: 7% MP 27/27 EV 20 Int 19 God: Ashenzari [*****.] Gold 2438 SH 14 Dex 14 Spells: 5 memorised, 11 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis + r - +2,+1 eveningstar (protect) rCold . . . Clarity + (armour unavailable) rNeg + . . Conserve . k - +1 buckler (curse) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . (no cloak) SustAb . . Spirit . d - +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} rMut . Warding + (no boots) Saprov . . . Stasis . E - amulet of warding MR +++.. A - cursed +5 ring of protection p - cursed ring of protection from fire @: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: walk through water, unfitting armour, unbreathing, AC +13 a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels. You have also visited: Bailey. You have collected 2438 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons r - a +2,+1 eveningstar of protection (weapon) T - a +3,+1 scimitar of flaming Armour d - the cursed +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" (worn) {MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It has a curse placed upon it. k - a cursed +1 buckler (worn) Magical devices g - a wand of heal wounds (3) m - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} y - a wand of fireball {zapped: 2} B - a wand of teleportation (5) C - a wand of lightning {zapped: 3} I - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2} Comestibles f - 8 meat rations i - 4 rotting chunks of orc flesh u - a rotting chunk of orc flesh w - a chunk of ogre flesh z - 2 pears Scrolls b - 2 scrolls of fear e - a scroll of curse weapon j - a scroll of magic mapping q - 2 scrolls of amnesia Jewellery a - an uncursed ring of positive energy p - a cursed ring of protection from fire (left hand) s - an uncursed ring of wizardry t - an uncursed ring of sustenance A - a cursed +5 ring of protection (right hand) E - an amulet of warding (around neck) Potions c - a potion of haste h - a potion of berserk rage l - a potion of might n - 3 potions of brilliance o - 3 potions of curing v - a potion of magic L - a potion of invisibility Books H - a book of War Chants Spells Type Level Fire Brand Charms/Fire 2 Freezing Aura Charms/Ice 2 Shroud of Golubria Charms/Translocation 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Poison Weapon Charms/Poison 3 Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 Skills: + Level 13.9 Fighting + Level 12.9 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 5.9(8.6) Shields - Level 6.1 Spellcasting - Level 12.0(14.3) Summonings - Level 6.1(8.9) Ice Magic You have 11 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ ######.. 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ ######.. 1% 3 ##..... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ ######.. 1% 4 ####... e - Summon Lightning Spi Summ/Air ####.... 8% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (0/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:12 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:9 Swamp (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:4 Slime: Lair:6-8 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Fedhas Trog Yredelemnul Zin Lugonu Shops: D:8 * D:12 ( Orc:1 } Orc:2 [ Orc:4 ([*: Annotations: Lair:7 exclusion: 2 oklob plants Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk through water. Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard (AC +13). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You can survive without breathing. Message History A goblin comes into view. It is wielding a club. You barely miss the goblin. The goblin completely misses you. The goblin closely misses you. You closely miss the goblin. The goblin misses you. You barely miss the goblin. The goblin misses you. You completely miss the goblin. The goblin hits you but does no damage. The goblin closely misses you. You hit the goblin. The goblin is moderately wounded. You block the goblin's attack. You closely miss the goblin. You tail-slap the goblin, but do no damage. The goblin is moderately wounded. The goblin misses you. You miss the goblin. The goblin is moderately wounded. The goblin closely misses you. You block the goblin's attack. You hit the goblin. You kill the goblin! No target in view! There is an entrance to Chask's Book Shop here. 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Vanquished Creatures An orc warlord (Orc:4) An unseen horror (D:11) 2 kobold demonologists (D:11) A fire drake (Lair:7) 3 komodo dragons The ghost of Jalanthian Fury the Summoner, an experienced TeSu (D:5) A troll (D:12) 2 basilisks 9 yaks A wyvern (D:12) 3 sharks A water elemental (D:12) 11 ugly things 7 hippogriffs 4 wolves 4 wargs An orc skeleton (Orc:4) A deep elf fighter (D:11) 6 water moccasins 4 sky beasts A phantom (D:4) 19 orc warriors A black bear (Lair:6) 8 porcupines 8 centaurs An ice beast (Lair:1) 2 giant goldfish 4 ogres 6 crocodiles Duvessa (D:8) 10 giant slugs A big kobold (D:8) 20 giant frogs 2 hippogriff zombies 3 scorpions A killer bee (D:11) A quasit (D:10) Dowan (D:8) 4 wights 20 orc priests 5 crimson imps 29 orc wizards A basilisk skeleton (D:12) A giant frog skeleton (D:11) 11 hounds A big fish (D:12) 28 worker ants 3 iguanas 11 sheep 12 gnolls 15 adders A worm zombie (D:9) An inept feature mimic (D:4) 4 shadow imps 2 giant mites (Lair:6) 23 green rats An inept item mimic (D:6) 3 worms An adder zombie (D:6) 2 giant eyeballs 4 giant geckos An ooze (D:7) 131 orcs 4 giant cockroaches 20 hobgoblins 28 kobolds 11 quokkas 17 bats 4 giant newts 23 goblins A hobgoblin zombie (D:6) 21 jackals A jackal skeleton (D:8) 6 orc zombies (Orc:4) 22 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 9 ballistomycetes 2 plants (Lair:8) 639 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Donald (Orc:3) An orc warlord (Orc:3) Fannar (Lair:1) Harold (Lair:1) 6 hydras Erica (Lair:7) An anaconda (Lair:8) The ghost of Conar the Carver, an experienced DsGl of Makhleb (Lair:1) 5 orc high priests Nergalle (D:12) An iron troll (Orc:3) An orb spider (Lair:4) Erolcha (D:9) Joseph (Lair:1) 2 manticores (D:11) A hill giant (D:9) 6 orc knights 5 orc sorcerers (Orc:4) 2 black mambas An orange demon (Orc:4) 6 elephants (Lair:7) A queen ant (D:10) 10 spiny frogs A kobold demonologist (D:11) A spriggan druid (Lair:6) 5 komodo dragons 2 fire drakes Grinder (D:4) 3 trolls A polar bear (Lair:2) A two-headed ogre (D:9) 3 grizzly bears 12 blink frogs A basilisk (Lair:4) 26 yaks 5 ugly things (D:11) An elephant slug (Lair:8) 3 sharks 2 hungry ghosts A wyvern (Lair:6) 2 hippogriffs 4 porcupines 4 soldier ants (D:10) 5 wolves 3 wargs 2 mottled dragons 11 water moccasins 2 ice beasts 2 sky beasts 4 black bears 4 ogres A giant goldfish (D:12) 29 orc warriors 5 crocodiles Sigmund (D:3) 4 giant slugs Blork the orc (D:5) 3 giant frogs A scorpion (D:4) An eye of draining (D:9) 4 electric eels (D:12) 2 killer bees (D:11) 6 wights (D:12) 3 goliath beetles 2 crimson imps A gnoll shaman (D:7) 2 lava snakes (D:12) 3 iron imps (D:11) 3 iguanas 2 jellies A big fish (Lair:6) 2 hounds 15 orc wizards 7 orc priests 12 worker ants 13 sheep 39 green rats 7 adders 13 gnolls A white imp (D:11) A worm (D:2) A shadow imp (D:11) 2 giant geckos An ooze (D:2) 102 orcs 6 hobgoblins 8 jackals 3 kobolds 4 quokkas 3 bats A giant cockroach (D:7) A giant newt (D:2) 6 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) An orc skeleton (Orc:4) 7 orc zombies (Orc:4) 5 rats 2 spectral orcs (D:12) A fungus (Lair:2) A plant (Lair:2) 510 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A warg (Lair:7) 12 wolves 164 ice beasts An ogre (Orc:4) 19 crimson imps 26 hounds An iron imp (D:8) 6 lightning spires 8 shadow imps 20 white imps An orc (Orc:4) A bat (D:1) 3 quokkas 2 giant spores A rat (D:1) 4 fungi 5 plants 275 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1424 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Dracus Sonus, the Draconian Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 407 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 412 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 1084 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 1084 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/26 MP: 6/6 1089 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 1631 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 7/33 MP: 3/7 2124 | D:2 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2430 | D:3 | HP: 1/33 [poisoned by a kobold] 2898 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 3692 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/38 MP: 3/9 3775 | D:3 | Noticed Sigmund 3820 | D:3 | Killed Sigmund 3915 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 4284 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 4415 | D:4 | Noticed Grinder 4443 | D:4 | Killed Grinder 4443 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/45 MP: 0/10 4682 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 4699 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 5466 | D:4 | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour. 5466 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [draconian maturity] 5466 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 22/50 MP: 12/12 5881 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 5881 | D:4 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 5899 | D:4 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 6007 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 6106 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6197 | D:5 | Noticed Jalanthian Fury's ghost (experienced TeSu) 6245 | D:5 | Killed Jalanthian Fury's ghost 6245 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 7016 | D:5 | Noticed Blork the orc 7030 | D:5 | Killed Blork the orc 7560 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 7560 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 44/57 MP: 7/13 7585 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 7660 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8009 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 8781 | D:8 | Noticed Duvessa 8781 | D:8 | Noticed Dowan 8894 | D:8 | Found Ojott's General Store. 9276 | D:8 | Got the uncursed pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} 9382 | D:7 | Identified the +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 10410 | D:8 | Killed Dowan 10443 | D:8 | Killed Duvessa 10883 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 11267 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 11267 | D:9 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 62/62 MP: 19/21 11318 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic 11485 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 11497 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 11574 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11721 | D:9 | Killed Erolcha 12051 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 12232 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12266 | Lair:1 | Noticed Conar's ghost (experienced DsGl) 12321 | Lair:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 12342 | Lair:1 | Killed Conar's ghost 12919 | Lair:1 | Noticed Fannar 12922 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 12933 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 12996 | Lair:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 13138 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 20/69 MP: 19/24 13363 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spiny frog 13373 | Lair:2 | Killed a spiny frog 13430 | Lair:2 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 13445 | Lair:2 | Killed a four-headed hydra 13445 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 13445 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 13919 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spiny frog 13937 | Lair:2 | Killed a spiny frog 14886 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 14902 | Lair:1 | Killed a four-headed hydra 14998 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 15005 | Lair:1 | Noticed Joseph 15006 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 15015 | Lair:1 | Killed Joseph 15179 | Lair:1 | Noticed Harold 15290 | Lair:1 | Killed Harold 15290 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 40/74 MP: 14/25 16944 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 17211 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 18426 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 18607 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 18742 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 18890 | Lair:4 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 19280 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 19280 | Lair:4 | Noticed an orb spider 19301 | Lair:4 | Killed an orb spider 19826 | Lair:4 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 20632 | Lair:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 20844 | Lair:5 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 20864 | Lair:5 | Killed a six-headed hydra 20864 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 105/105 MP: 1/25 21032 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 21830 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 22604 | Lair:6 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 22615 | Lair:6 | Killed a six-headed hydra 22615 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 11 in Summonings 23671 | Lair:7 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 23677 | Lair:7 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 23865 | Lair:7 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 24629 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 12 in Summonings 24641 | Lair:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire 24961 | Lair:7 | Noticed Erica 25006 | Lair:7 | Killed Erica 25469 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 26319 | Lair:8 | Noticed an anaconda 26337 | Lair:8 | Killed an anaconda 26452 | Lair:8 | Noticed a dire elephant 27335 | D:9 | Noticed a hill giant 27343 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 27398 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 29836 | D:11 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 116/116 MP: 11/27 29965 | D:11 | Found a flagged portal. 30127 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 30901 | D:11 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 31262 | D:11 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu. 32027 | D:12 | Found Yrostre's Weapon Shop. 32201 | Lair:1 | Killed Fannar 33158 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 33860 | D:12 | Noticed Nergalle 33886 | D:12 | Killed Nergalle 34598 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 34627 | Orc:1 | Found Zacrafri's Gadget Shoppe. 34881 | Orc:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 35064 | Orc:2 | Found Loewn's Armour Shoppe. 38225 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 38958 | Orc:4 | Noticed Donald 39021 | Orc:4 | Noticed an orc warlord 39217 | Orc:3 | Killed Donald 39462 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 39487 | Orc:4 | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting 40849 | Orc:4 | Killed an orc warlord 41239 | Orc:4 | Noticed an orc warlord 41659 | Orc:3 | Killed an orc warlord 43203 | Orc:4 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 130/130 MP: 12/27 44407 | Orc:4 | Found Stoud's Antique Armour Boutique. 44408 | Orc:4 | Found Pnackoud's Antique Weapon Boutique. 44410 | Orc:4 | Found Niba's General Store. 44410 | Orc:4 | Found Chask's Book Shop. Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 25 | | | | || 25 Spear | 141 | 332 | 173 | | || 646 War axe | | | 377 | 796 | || 1173 Scimitar | | | | 321 | 951 || 1272 Eveningstar | | | | | 453 || 453 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 7 | | | | || 7 Call Imp | 8 | 18 | 38 | 24 | || 88 Call Canine Famil | | 14 | 33 | 11 | 3 || 61 Summon Ice Beast | | | 25 | 220 | 183 || 428 Summon Lightning | | | | 1 | 32 || 33 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 6 | 8 || 16 Use: Scroll | 2 | 2 | 27 | 9 | 7 || 47 Potion | | | | 6 | 5 || 11 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 5 | 4 | 6 | || 17 Distracted | | | 1 | 9 | 7 || 17 Invisible | | | | | 1 || 1

Monday, 12th May 2014, 11:10 by Hurkyl

Mana Vipers are fast and seem to do a lot of damage. But as a caveat, I rarely summon (I find it unfun in crawl), so I don't have a fully fleshed out opinion on that. They have anti-magic too; I got caught by Gastronok at about half of his LOS and nowhere to hide... so I rushed him down with mana vipers and had no problem!

Monday, 12th May 2014, 11:34 by DracheReborn

I think that +10 vorpal bardiche is your best weapon, the kind of thing that would make me go "forget all that preconceived hybrid nonsense, I'll just melee everything to death from 2 squares away". Sometimes you just have to use what the game gives you.

Lajatang and eveningstar are both relatively low investment, high damage weapons, so if you plan to put lots of skill into the various magic schools, then these would be ideal. On the other hand, you'd need to invest significant time and resources (EW scrolls) to build either up to endgame quality, whereas that bardiche is already more than sufficient to win.

My personal preference would be to go the bardiche route. That won't leave a lot of spare skill points for spells, but IMO as long as you don't spread it too thin (by training too many schools) you should be ok. Ash's skill boost will be really helpful too.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 11:48 by doubtofbuddha

DracheReborn wrote:Lajatang and eveningstar are both relatively low investment, high damage weapons, so if you plan to put lots of skill into the various magic schools, then these would be ideal. On the other hand, you'd need to invest significant time and resources (EW scrolls) to build either up to endgame quality, whereas that bardiche is already more than sufficient to win.

I think what is going to really push me over the edge is the simple fact that I have not really found that many enchant weapon scrolls at this point. I only have 2 enchant weapon 1 scrolls and 1 enchant weapon 2 scrolls. (Also only 2 enchant armor scrolls, but as a draconian that is less relevant.)

Monday, 12th May 2014, 12:08 by doubtofbuddha

...and I died. Found an Ice Cave filled with Blue Devils and Ice Devils and underestimated their threat level, because I have really only encountered them in the late game before. Used up all of my emergency buttons, and then when I went for the escape I thought they would not follow me out of the ice cave. I was wrong. I still managed to run/fight for a while, but eventually one of them got me.

Strategic mistakes I made:
1) I had two scrolls of recharging back in my stash. I had 3 charges in my Wand of Healing. Yeah, that should have been something that I did.
2) I forgot to use my scroll of acquirement to get a wand. Haste may have made me fast enough to flee from the situation.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. 81084 Dracus Sonus the Fighter (level 15, -6/137 HPs) Began as a Grey Draconian Summoner on May 11, 2014. Was a High Priest of Ashenzari. Mangled by a blue devil (19 damage) ... on Level 13 of the Dungeon on May 12, 2014. The game lasted 03:15:43 (45923 turns). Dracus Sonus the Fighter (Grey Draconian Summoner) Turns: 45923, Time: 03:15:43 HP -6/137 AC 22 Str 10 XL: 15 Next: 21% MP 12/28 EV 20 Int 20 God: Ashenzari [*****.] Gold 1395 SH 0 Dex 14 Spells: 5 memorised, 12 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis + i - +3,+10 bardiche "Beastslayer" {chop, +Fly} rCold . . . Clarity + (armour unavailable) rNeg + . . Conserve . (no shield) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . (no cloak) SustAb . . Spirit . d - +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} rMut . Warding + (no boots) Saprov . . . Stasis . E - amulet of warding MR +++.. A - cursed +5 ring of protection p - cursed ring of protection from fire @: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: walk through water, unfitting armour, unbreathing, AC +14 a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight You were on level 13 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Ashenzari. Ashenzari was extremely pleased with you. You were starving. You visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and saw 25 of its levels. You also visited: Bailey and Ice Cave. You collected 2453 gold pieces. You spent 1058 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons i - the cursed +3,+10 bardiche "Beastslayer" (weapon) {chop, +Fly} (You bought it in a shop on level 12 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It lets you fly. It has a curse placed upon it. Armour d - the cursed +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" (worn) {MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It has a curse placed upon it. Magical devices g - a wand of heal wounds (0) m - a wand of digging (20) y - a wand of fireball (1) B - a wand of teleportation (4) C - a wand of lightning (4) Comestibles f - 8 meat rations r - 3 rotting chunks of orc flesh u - a rotting chunk of hill giant flesh z - a pear Scrolls b - a scroll of fear j - a scroll of magic mapping Jewellery a - an uncursed ring of positive energy e - an uncursed amulet of clarity {unknown} p - a cursed ring of protection from fire (left hand) s - an uncursed ring of wizardry t - an uncursed ring of sustenance A - a cursed +5 ring of protection (right hand) E - an amulet of warding (around neck) Potions h - a potion of berserk rage n - 3 potions of brilliance o - 3 potions of curing v - a potion of magic Skills: - Level 13.9 Fighting + Level 7.8(12.9) Polearms - Level 12.9 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth Level 5.9 Shields - Level 6.1 Spellcasting - Level 12.0(14.3) Summonings - Level 6.1(8.9) Ice Magic You had 12 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ ######.. 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ ######.. 1% 3 ##..... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ ######.. 1% 4 ####... e - Summon Lightning Spi Summ/Air #####... 8% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (13/15) Temple (0/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:12 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:9 Swamp (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:4 Vaults (0/5) D:13 Slime: Lair:6-8 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Fedhas Trog Yredelemnul Zin Lugonu Shops: D:8 * D:12 ( Orc:1 } Orc:2 [ Orc:4 ([*: Annotations: D:13 1 exclusion Lair:7 exclusion: 2 oklob plants Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk through water. Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard (AC +14). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You can survive without breathing. Message History Your ice beast hits the blue devil but does no damage. Really walk into a travel-excluded area? [Y]es or [N]o only, please. Really walk into a travel-excluded area? Things that are here: an uncursed ring mail; an uncursed trident Your ice beast hits the orc. Your ice beast freezes the orc! The orc dies! An orc warrior comes into view. Ashenzari warns you: It is wielding a +0,+0 great sword and carrying a wand of draining. Your ice beast closely misses the orc. Things that are here: a large rock; an orc skeleton You see here a human skeleton. A chill wind blows around you. You are starving! Your ice beast hits the blue devil but does no damage. The blue devil swoops through the air toward you! The blue devil hits you! 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Vanquished Creatures An orc warlord (Orc:4) An unseen horror (D:11) 2 ice devils (IceCv) A hill giant (D:13) A griffon (D:13) A cyclops (D:13) 2 kobold demonologists (D:11) A fire drake (Lair:7) 3 komodo dragons The ghost of Jalanthian Fury the Summoner, an experienced TeSu (D:5) A troll (D:12) 3 basilisks 9 yaks A shadow (D:13) A wraith (D:13) A wyvern (D:12) 3 sharks A hill giant zombie (D:13) A water elemental (D:12) 5 humans 11 ugly things 2 vampire mosquitoes (D:13) 8 hippogriffs 4 wolves 4 wargs An orc skeleton (Orc:4) A deep elf fighter (D:11) 6 water moccasins 4 sky beasts A phantom (D:4) 19 orc warriors A black bear (Lair:6) 8 porcupines 8 centaurs An ice beast (Lair:1) 2 giant goldfish 4 ogres 6 crocodiles Duvessa (D:8) 10 giant slugs A big kobold (D:8) 21 giant frogs 2 hippogriff zombies 3 scorpions A killer bee (D:11) A quasit (D:10) Dowan (D:8) 4 wights 21 orc priests 5 crimson imps 29 orc wizards A basilisk skeleton (D:12) A giant frog skeleton (D:11) 11 hounds A big fish (D:12) 28 worker ants 3 iguanas 11 sheep 12 gnolls 15 adders A worm zombie (D:9) An inept feature mimic (D:4) 4 shadow imps 2 giant mites (Lair:6) 23 green rats An inept item mimic (D:6) 12 white imps (D:13) 3 worms An adder zombie (D:6) 2 giant eyeballs 4 giant geckos An ooze (D:7) 135 orcs 4 giant cockroaches 20 hobgoblins 28 kobolds 12 quokkas 17 bats 4 giant newts 23 goblins A hobgoblin zombie (D:6) 21 jackals A jackal skeleton (D:8) 6 orc zombies (Orc:4) 22 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 9 ballistomycetes 2 plants (Lair:8) 675 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Donald (Orc:3) An orc warlord (Orc:3) Fannar (Lair:1) Harold (Lair:1) 7 hydras Erica (Lair:7) An anaconda (Lair:8) The ghost of Conar the Carver, an experienced DsGl of Makhleb (Lair:1) 5 orc high priests Nergalle (D:12) An iron troll (Orc:3) An orb spider (Lair:4) Erolcha (D:9) Joseph (Lair:1) 2 manticores (D:11) A hill giant (D:9) 7 orc knights 5 orc sorcerers (Orc:4) 2 black mambas An orange demon (Orc:4) 6 elephants (Lair:7) A queen ant (D:10) 10 spiny frogs A kobold demonologist (D:11) A spriggan druid (Lair:6) 5 komodo dragons 2 fire drakes Grinder (D:4) 3 trolls A polar bear (Lair:2) A two-headed ogre (D:9) 3 grizzly bears 12 blink frogs 2 basilisks 26 yaks 5 ugly things (D:11) A wraith (D:13) An elephant slug (Lair:8) 3 sharks 2 hungry ghosts A wyvern (Lair:6) 2 hippogriffs A vampire mosquito (D:13) 4 porcupines 4 soldier ants (D:10) 5 wolves 3 wargs 2 mottled dragons 11 water moccasins 2 ice beasts 2 sky beasts 4 black bears 4 ogres A giant goldfish (D:12) 29 orc warriors 5 crocodiles Sigmund (D:3) 4 giant slugs Blork the orc (D:5) 3 giant frogs A scorpion (D:4) An eye of draining (D:9) 4 electric eels (D:12) 2 killer bees (D:11) 6 wights (D:12) 3 goliath beetles 3 crimson imps A gnoll shaman (D:7) 2 lava snakes (D:12) 3 iron imps (D:11) 3 iguanas 3 jellies A big fish (Lair:6) 2 hounds 15 orc wizards 7 orc priests 12 worker ants 13 sheep 39 green rats 7 adders 13 gnolls A white imp (D:11) A worm (D:2) A shadow imp (D:11) 2 giant geckos An ooze (D:2) 103 orcs 6 hobgoblins 8 jackals 3 kobolds 4 quokkas 3 bats A giant cockroach (D:7) A giant newt (D:2) 6 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) An orc skeleton (Orc:4) 7 orc zombies (Orc:4) 5 rats 2 spectral orcs (D:12) A fungus (Lair:2) A plant (Lair:2) 518 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A warg (Lair:7) 12 wolves 175 ice beasts An ogre (Orc:4) 19 crimson imps 26 hounds An iron imp (D:8) 7 lightning spires 8 shadow imps 20 white imps An orc (Orc:4) A bat (D:1) 3 quokkas 2 giant spores A rat (D:1) 4 fungi 5 plants 287 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1480 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Dracus Sonus, the Draconian Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 407 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 412 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 1084 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 1084 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/26 MP: 6/6 1089 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 1631 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 7/33 MP: 3/7 2124 | D:2 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2430 | D:3 | HP: 1/33 [poisoned by a kobold] 2898 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 3692 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/38 MP: 3/9 3775 | D:3 | Noticed Sigmund 3820 | D:3 | Killed Sigmund 3915 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 4284 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 4415 | D:4 | Noticed Grinder 4443 | D:4 | Killed Grinder 4443 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/45 MP: 0/10 4682 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 4699 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 5466 | D:4 | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour. 5466 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [draconian maturity] 5466 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 22/50 MP: 12/12 5881 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 5881 | D:4 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 5899 | D:4 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 6007 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 6106 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6197 | D:5 | Noticed Jalanthian Fury's ghost (experienced TeSu) 6245 | D:5 | Killed Jalanthian Fury's ghost 6245 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 7016 | D:5 | Noticed Blork the orc 7030 | D:5 | Killed Blork the orc 7560 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 7560 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 44/57 MP: 7/13 7585 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 7660 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8009 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 8781 | D:8 | Noticed Duvessa 8781 | D:8 | Noticed Dowan 8894 | D:8 | Found Ojott's General Store. 9276 | D:8 | Got the uncursed pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} 9382 | D:7 | Identified the +2 pair of gloves "Ghain" {MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 10410 | D:8 | Killed Dowan 10443 | D:8 | Killed Duvessa 10883 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 11267 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 11267 | D:9 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 62/62 MP: 19/21 11318 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic 11485 | D:9 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 11497 | D:9 | Killed a two-headed ogre 11574 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11721 | D:9 | Killed Erolcha 12051 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 12232 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12266 | Lair:1 | Noticed Conar's ghost (experienced DsGl) 12321 | Lair:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 12342 | Lair:1 | Killed Conar's ghost 12919 | Lair:1 | Noticed Fannar 12922 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 12933 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 12996 | Lair:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 13138 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 20/69 MP: 19/24 13363 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spiny frog 13373 | Lair:2 | Killed a spiny frog 13430 | Lair:2 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 13445 | Lair:2 | Killed a four-headed hydra 13445 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 13445 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 13919 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spiny frog 13937 | Lair:2 | Killed a spiny frog 14886 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 14902 | Lair:1 | Killed a four-headed hydra 14998 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 15005 | Lair:1 | Noticed Joseph 15006 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 15015 | Lair:1 | Killed Joseph 15179 | Lair:1 | Noticed Harold 15290 | Lair:1 | Killed Harold 15290 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 40/74 MP: 14/25 16944 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 17211 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 18426 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 18607 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 18742 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 18890 | Lair:4 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 19280 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 19280 | Lair:4 | Noticed an orb spider 19301 | Lair:4 | Killed an orb spider 19826 | Lair:4 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 20632 | Lair:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 20844 | Lair:5 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 20864 | Lair:5 | Killed a six-headed hydra 20864 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 105/105 MP: 1/25 21032 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 21830 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 22604 | Lair:6 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 22615 | Lair:6 | Killed a six-headed hydra 22615 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 11 in Summonings 23671 | Lair:7 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 23677 | Lair:7 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 23865 | Lair:7 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 24629 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 12 in Summonings 24641 | Lair:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire 24961 | Lair:7 | Noticed Erica 25006 | Lair:7 | Killed Erica 25469 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 26319 | Lair:8 | Noticed an anaconda 26337 | Lair:8 | Killed an anaconda 26452 | Lair:8 | Noticed a dire elephant 27335 | D:9 | Noticed a hill giant 27343 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 27398 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 29836 | D:11 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 116/116 MP: 11/27 29965 | D:11 | Found a flagged portal. 30127 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 30901 | D:11 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 31262 | D:11 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu. 32027 | D:12 | Found Yrostre's Weapon Shop. 32201 | Lair:1 | Killed Fannar 33158 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 33860 | D:12 | Noticed Nergalle 33886 | D:12 | Killed Nergalle 34598 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 34627 | Orc:1 | Found Zacrafri's Gadget Shoppe. 34881 | Orc:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 35064 | Orc:2 | Found Loewn's Armour Shoppe. 38225 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 38958 | Orc:4 | Noticed Donald 39021 | Orc:4 | Noticed an orc warlord 39217 | Orc:3 | Killed Donald 39462 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 39487 | Orc:4 | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting 40849 | Orc:4 | Killed an orc warlord 41239 | Orc:4 | Noticed an orc warlord 41659 | Orc:3 | Killed an orc warlord 43203 | Orc:4 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 130/130 MP: 12/27 44407 | Orc:4 | Found Stoud's Antique Armour Boutique. 44408 | Orc:4 | Found Pnackoud's Antique Weapon Boutique. 44410 | Orc:4 | Found Niba's General Store. 44410 | Orc:4 | Found Chask's Book Shop. 44815 | D:12 | Bought the +3,+10 bardiche "Beastslayer" {chop, +Fly} for 1058 gold pieces 44954 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 137/137 MP: 28/28 45089 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 45648 | D:13 | Found a frozen archway. 45681 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 45897 | D:13 | HP: 5/137 [blue devil (11)] 45923 | D:13 | Mangled by a blue devil Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 25 | | | | || 25 Spear | 141 | 332 | 173 | | || 646 War axe | | | 377 | 796 | || 1173 Scimitar | | | | 321 | 951 || 1272 Eveningstar | | | | | 457 || 457 Bardiche | | | | | 117 || 117 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 7 | | | | || 7 Call Imp | 8 | 18 | 38 | 24 | || 88 Call Canine Famil | | 14 | 33 | 11 | 3 || 61 Summon Ice Beast | | | 25 | 220 | 205 || 450 Summon Lightning | | | | 1 | 33 || 34 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 6 | 12 || 20 Use: Scroll | 2 | 2 | 27 | 9 | 10 || 50 Potion | | | | 6 | 7 || 13 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 5 | 4 | 6 | || 17 Distracted | | | 1 | 9 | 8 || 18 Invisible | | | | | 1 || 1

Monday, 12th May 2014, 12:21 by nago

You also had a pot of berserk in your inventory - if used at right time it could probably have saved your life.
But yes going in a ice cave without rc+ is doable but require extra caution. Especially with a Dr without rc, because it's going to be slowed by ice attack

Monday, 12th May 2014, 13:51 by doubtofbuddha

Yup, Draconian Summoners are doing way better for me then Tengu. Here is the latest one:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. Draconis Eglis the Fighter (DrSu) Turns: 19429, Time: 01:10:55 HP 110/110 AC 13 Str 11 XL: 12 Next: 7% MP 28/28 EV 17 Int 20 God: Kikubaaqudgha [***...] Gold 976 SH 0 Dex 14 Spells: 6 memorised, 11 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . t - +3,+8 trident of the Lamprey {freeze, Dex+2} rCold . . . Clarity . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Conserve . (no shield) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . z - +0 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . u - +2 pair of gloves rMut . Warding . D - +0 pair of boots Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet) MR ..... G - ring of sustenance g - ring of wizardry @: drained, not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: breathe fire, unfitting armour, antennae 1, stinger 1, fire resistance 1, AC +8 a: Breathe Fire, Receive Corpses, Renounce Religion You are on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha is most pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 14 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary. You have collected 976 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons t - the +3,+8 trident of the Lamprey (weapon) {freeze, Dex+2} (You took it off a goblin on level 4 of the Dungeon) It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures. It affects your dexterity (+2). Armour u - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) z - a +0 cloak (worn) D - a +0 pair of boots (worn) Magical devices j - a wand of hasting {zapped: 1} y - a wand of fireball {zapped: 2} Q - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} S - a wand of lightning {zapped: 1} Comestibles c - 4 bread rations i - a cheese m - an apple n - a choko A - 4 meat rations B - 15 strawberries H - 2 pears Scrolls q - 2 scrolls of remove curse r - 2 scrolls of teleportation C - a scroll of fear F - a scroll of enchant armour J - 2 scrolls of blinking Jewellery g - a ring of wizardry (left hand) G - a ring of sustenance (right hand) K - a runed emerald amulet L - an uncursed glowing garnet ring {tried} Potions d - 5 potions of heal wounds e - 8 potions of curing h - a potion of invisibility k - a potion of agility l - a potion of flight p - 2 potions of might s - 3 potions of haste v - 3 potions of brilliance x - 3 potions of berserk rage M - a potion of resistance Books a - a book of Death Spells Type Level Corpse Rot Necromancy 2 Sublimation of Blood Necromancy 2 Agony Necromancy 5 Dispel Undead Necromancy 5 Excruciating Wounds Charms/Necromancy 5 Bolt of Draining Conjuration/Necromancy 5 b - a book of Callings Spells Type Level *Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1 *Call Imp Summoning 2 *Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 Summon Guardian Golem Hexes/Summoning 4 *Summon Lightning Spire Summoning/Air 4 *Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 f - a book of Fire Spells Type Level Fire Brand Charms/Fire 2 Ignite Poison Fire/Transmutation 5 Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 Bolt of Fire Conjuration/Fire 6 Delayed Fireball Conjuration/Fire 7 Ring of Flames Charms/Fire 7 o - Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Necromancy (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 7 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level Pain Necromancy 1 Lethal Infusion Charms/Necromancy 2 Corpse Rot Necromancy 2 *Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 Control Undead Necromancy 4 w - the Incunabulum of Snow (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level Throw Frost Conjuration/Ice 2 Throw Icicle Conjuration/Ice 4 *Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 E - a book of the Earth Spells Type Level Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 Bolt of Magma Conjuration/Fire/Earth 5 Statue Form Transmutation/Earth 6 Iron Shot Conjuration/Earth 6 Shatter Earth 9 I - the Incunabulum of Venom (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) Spells Type Level Sting Conjuration/Poison 1 Cure Poison Poison 2 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Spider Form Transmutation/Poison 3 Alistair's Intoxication Transmutation/Poison 4 N - a book of the Tempests Spells Type Level Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 Tornado Air 9 Shatter Earth 9 P - Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) Spells Type Level Bolt of Draining Conjuration/Necromancy 5 Agony Necromancy 5 Dispel Undead Necromancy 5 Twisted Resurrection Necromancy 5 Simulacrum Ice/Necromancy 6 Skills: - Level 11.0(10.4) Fighting + Level 10.0(9.4) Dodging - Level 1.7(1.2) Stealth - Level 8.5(7.9) Spellcasting - Level 10.1(9.5) Summonings + Level 3.6(3.1) Necromancy You have 11 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ #####... 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ #####... 1% 3 #...... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ ####.... 6% 4 ###.... e - Summon Lightning Spi Summ/Air ####.... 6% 4 ###.... f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ##........ 6% 3 #...... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (8/15) Temple (1/1) D:5 Lair (5/8) D:8 Swamp (0/5) Lair:3 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6 Spider: Lair:3-6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can breathe blasts of fire. Your fiery red scales are hard (AC +8). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. Your flesh is heat resistant. You have a pair of small antennae on your head. Your tail ends in a poisonous barb. Message History You start resting. Eat a chunk of crocodile flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. You continue eating. x2 You start resting. HP restored. As you read the scroll labeled REDISU HIENOA, it crumbles to dust. The scroll dissolves into smoke. It was a scroll of fog. As you read the scroll labeled UCVONW EPIAMN, it crumbles to dust. This is a scroll of acquirement! [a] Weapon [b] Armour [c] Jewellery [d] Book [e] Staff [f] Wand [g] Miscellaneous [h] Food [i] Gold [j] Ammunition What kind of item would you like to acquire? (\ to view known items) Something appears at your feet! j - a wooden wand Zapping: j - a wooden wand Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line Nothing appears to happen. j - a wand of hasting {zapped: 1} Saving game... please wait. ............................. ............................. #............................ ............................. ............................. .#........................... ............................. ...P......................... ............%....#...##P..... ..........%..§§§............. .............§@§.........P..# ............%.§§........##### .......................).#.# ..........................## ..........................# ..........................# ........................#.# ...................P..##### .....................## ..............f....#f# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures 2 hydras 4 lindwurms (Lair:3) The ghost of Quith the Unyielding the Summoner, an experienced TeSu of Ashenzari (D:8) 2 oklob plants (Lair:5) A black mamba (Lair:1) 3 spiny frogs 2 basilisks 4 blink frogs 7 wolves 10 yaks A wyvern (Lair:4) 2 hippogriffs 6 porcupines 7 water moccasins An ice beast (D:8) 2 orc warriors (D:5) A giant goldfish (Lair:4) An ogre (D:8) A centaur (D:7) 9 crocodiles 3 giant slugs 9 giant frogs 3 killer bees 2 crimson imps A goliath beetle (D:8) 9 hounds 7 iguanas 2 jellies 4 worker ants 4 orange rats (Lair:5) An orc wizard (D:6) A crocodile zombie (D:5) 5 mummies (Ossuary) A gnoll (D:4) 3 orc zombies 15 green rats 10 adders 3 giant mites An inept feature mimic (D:7) 3 worms An adder zombie (D:5) 2 giant eyeballs 2 oozes 13 orcs A giant cockroach (D:1) A gnoll zombie (Ossuary) 8 goblins 5 hobgoblins 2 jackals (Lair:4) 7 quokkas 6 ball pythons 18 bats 3 giant geckos 6 giant newts A hobgoblin zombie (Ossuary) 8 kobolds An orc skeleton (D:5) 15 rats 254 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Fannar (Lair:3) Joseph (D:7) An oklob plant (Lair:5) A black mamba (Lair:3) 3 spiny frogs 2 komodo dragons The ghost of Saladin the Exhumer, an average DsDK of Yredelemnul (Ossuary) 3 yaks A hippogriff (Lair:3) 4 wolves A water moccasin (D:6) 2 porcupines (Lair:4) A mottled dragon (D:7) 2 phantoms 3 ice beasts A sky beast (D:6) An ogre (D:5) 2 giant frogs (Lair:1) A giant slug (Lair:1) 3 crocodiles 2 killer bees (D:8) An electric eel (Lair:4) 3 orc priests 2 iguanas (D:4) A giant frog skeleton (D:8) A worker ant (D:5) A hound (D:4) 2 orange rats (Lair:5) 5 mummies (Ossuary) 9 green rats 2 adders 2 gnolls (D:4) An inept feature mimic (D:4) 3 orcs 4 bats (D:1) 2 giant cockroaches 2 goblins 4 hobgoblins A jackal (Lair:3) 2 giant geckos (D:1) A giant newt (D:1) A gnoll zombie (Ossuary) 2 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) 3 kobolds (D:1) A kobold zombie (Ossuary) 2 rats (D:1) 95 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 7 wolves 30 ice beasts 13 crimson imps An iron imp (D:8) 13 hounds A shadow imp (D:5) 9 white imps 5 bats 3 quokkas 2 rats 2 plants (Lair:5) 86 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 435 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Draconis Eglis, the Draconian Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 319 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 825 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 1302 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 1302 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 18/26 MP: 6/6 1307 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 2476 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/33 MP: 4/7 3420 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 3823 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 3/9 3879 | D:4 | Got a fine trident {freeze} 3880 | D:4 | Identified the cursed +3,+8 trident of the Lamprey {freeze, Dex+2} (You took it off a goblin on level 4 of the Dungeon) 4150 | D:4 | Identified the Incunabulum of Snow 4205 | D:4 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 4205 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 4375 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 4438 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 4460 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 4460 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 4460 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 15/45 MP: 7/10 4751 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4794 | D:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 5477 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 6017 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6026 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6166 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 6281 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 6297 | D:5 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 6323 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 6325 | D:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 6336 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 6343 | D:5 | Gained mutation: Your tail ends in a poisonous barb. [potion of beneficial mutation] 6344 | D:5 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small antennae on your head. [potion of beneficial mutation] 6378 | D:5 | Your scales start taking on a fiery red colour. 6378 | D:5 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is heat resistant. [draconian maturity] 6378 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 41/50 MP: 9/12 6802 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 8424 | D:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 8424 | D:7 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 47/57 MP: 13/13 8785 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph 8824 | D:7 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 8825 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 8910 | D:7 | Killed Joseph 9442 | D:8 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 9564 | D:8 | Noticed Quith the Unyielding's ghost (experienced TeSu) 9641 | D:7 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's first power 9641 | D:7 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 9642 | D:7 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Necromancy (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 7 of the Dungeon) 9853 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 10057 | Ossuary | Noticed Saladin's ghost (average DsDK) 10085 | Ossuary | Killed Saladin's ghost 10298 | D:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 10432 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 59/71 MP: 20/20 10577 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10828 | D:8 | Killed Quith the Unyielding's ghost 10828 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 10928 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 10932 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 10962 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 10989 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 11007 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 11894 | Lair:1 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 12100 | Lair:1 | Killed a five-headed hydra 12100 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 84/84 MP: 3/24 12381 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire 12385 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 12847 | Lair:2 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's second power 13912 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 14339 | Lair:3 | Identified the Incunabulum of Venom (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 14362 | Lair:3 | Noticed a black mamba 14370 | Lair:3 | Killed a black mamba 14617 | Lair:3 | Noticed Fannar 14863 | Lair:3 | Killed Fannar 15061 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15062 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15063 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15069 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15074 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15074 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 95/95 MP: 27/27 15092 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15222 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15251 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15686 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 16631 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 18333 | Lair:5 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 18341 | Lair:5 | Killed a five-headed hydra 18341 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting 18779 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 18779 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 65/110 MP: 8/28 18782 | Lair:5 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) 19160 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19426 | Lair:5 | Identified a scroll of acquirement Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 40 | | | || 40 Short sword | 122 | 4 | | || 126 War axe | | 59 | | || 59 Trident | | 97 | 380 | 461 || 938 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 28 | 5 | | || 33 Call Canine Famil | | 5 | 22 | || 27 Call Imp | | 31 | 33 | || 64 Summon Ice Beast | | | 19 | 46 || 65 Summon Lightning | | | | 3 || 3 Invok: Receive Corpses | | | | 1 || 1 Abil: Breathe Fire | | | 5 | 5 || 10 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 2 | 5 || 8 Use: Scroll | | 4 | 17 | 8 || 29 Potion | | 2 | 6 | 4 || 12 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | 5 | 3 || 12 Distracted | | 1 | 2 | 4 || 7 Invisible | | | | 2 || 2

The artifact trident has been pretty fantastic to me, but I suspect it is not going to be an endgame weapon.

Scroll of acquirement got me a wand of hasting, which I appreciate. I am following kiku because the Temple options were between him and okawaru, and for some reason Okawaru still does not seem quite right. Am I improperly gauging how useful he is for a Summoner?

So I guess the big question I have here is where to skill. I am thinking with Kiku since I am not going to even think about going for more than 3-5 runes that I probably just want to drive up my necromancy and use that to complement my summoning skills and eventually throw the pain brand on the best/fast weapon I can find? Or should I be doing something else?

I also have found waaay more books this time around, but nothing particularly Summoning-focused. Considering my Fire aptitude and the fact I have gotten a Book of Fire I admit I am pretty tempted to just learn spells to blow things up, but that seems like it may ultimately be counter-productive. Alternatively I can just focus on defensive skills until I see what is on Orc 4 and make my mid to end game plan based on that.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 14:34 by DracheReborn

It's a heck of a weapon for D:4, and it will probably last you for a very long time.

Oka is fine for Summoners. Previously he penalized you for letting allies die, but that's gone now. Not that he has any particular synergy with summoning though. I've seen some people recommend TSO instead, since TSO extends ally duration presumably.

doubtofbuddha wrote:So I guess the big question I have here is where to skill. I am thinking with Kiku since I am not going to even think about going for more than 3-5 runes that I probably just want to drive up my necromancy and use that to complement my summoning skills and eventually throw the pain brand on the best/fast weapon I can find? Or should I be doing something else?

That sounds fine, but I would describe it instead as going Necro for your main school with Summoning for support. You have a lot of good Necro spells already. Agony + melee to take care of living enemies, Dispel Undead for the unliving, eventually Simulacrum will carry you through Zot.

I don't recommend going the blasty route when you're already with Kiku. At most bolt of draining, probably.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 14:51 by doubtofbuddha

Yeah, I was pretty excited when I found it! Being able to hit people pretty damn hard over the heads of my minions has been very handy.

Should I hold off on weapon skills until I get an endgame weapon, or is it worth getting this trident to minimum delay? I know getting it to minimum delay will be (somewhat?) helpful now, but considering I do not know what sort of weapon I want to ultimately specialize in I would rather not waste experience on polearms.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 14:55 by DracheReborn

I'd say go ahead. As you say, Polearms are useful for hitting stuff through your minions. That's going to be true all the way to end game. Plus Kiku gives you flexibility - you can choose what type of weapon to pain brand, so you're not reliant on RNG giving you the right type of weapon.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 15:02 by doubtofbuddha

What sort of polearm should I be looking for? A bardiche appears to be unreasonable for a 3-rune victory as Draconian. Should I be trying to find a demon trident of some sort?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 15:21 by DracheReborn

To pain brand? A spear is ok. If you can hold off until you get a demon trident though, then sure. IMO, your artifact trident gives you that option. Nowadays you can reliably get demon weapons in Depths from hell knight packs. Don't rush Depths before you're ready though, it's a dangerous place!

Monday, 12th May 2014, 15:35 by doubtofbuddha

So on Lair: 8 a wizard sent me to the Abyss. I am doing okay so far, but clearly this is a very dangerous situation for me. I am guessing I should just keep running and generate new terrain until I find a way out and going deeper is a bad idea?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 15:48 by doubtofbuddha

And I died.
For some reason me attempting to activate scrolls and wands repeatedly resulted in my turn being passed over... and I do not know why. I was not slowed and I could not see any real reason that it should have.

I think the biggest problem (beyond getting an unlucky banishment), was that when I had activated a teleport in the Abyss to get out of a dangerous situation. Then I found an Abyss gate out. I left the Abyss gate, killed the wizard, and was resting when it teleported me right into the next room. With all the demons. I might have been okay, but for two turns I tried to activate my scroll of controlled blinking and nothing happened, so all the demons were able to surround me and beat me to death.

What was going on there? Am I missing something? This was demoralizing enough that I think I am going to take a break.

Edit: Looking over my character dump, it seems that it was probably a combination of the negative mutations from a starspawn that got me. Blurry vision and teleporitis probably combined in such a way that I ended up getting fairly unlucky. Not sure what I should have done after I got out of the Abyss besides rest. What I should have done in the Abyss is to activate my wand of haste as soon as I saw the Starspawn and gotten my scaly tail out of there.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. 32534 Draconis Eglis the Fighter (level 13, -1/104 HPs) Began as a Red Draconian Summoner on May 12, 2014. Was a High Priest of Kikubaaqudgha. Killed from afar by a hell hound (5 damage) ... with a blast of flame ... on Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts. The game lasted 01:44:19 (27918 turns). Draconis Eglis the Fighter (DrSu) Turns: 27918, Time: 01:44:20 HP -1/104 AC 13 Str 11 XL: 13 Next: 24% MP 8/23 EV 17 Int 20 God: Kikubaaqudgha [*****.] Gold 1329 SH 9 Dex 12 Spells: 8 memorised, 2 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . t - +3,+8 trident of the Lamprey {freeze, Dex+2} rCold . . . Rnd*Rage + (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Conserve + O - +0 buckler rPois + rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . z - +0 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . u - +2 pair of gloves rMut . Warding . D - +0 pair of boots Saprov . . . Rnd*Tele + b - amulet of conservation {unknown} MR ..... L - ring of poison resistance g - ring of wizardry @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: breathe fire, unfitting armour, antennae 1, stinger 1, berserk 1, blurry vision 3, clumsy 1, deterioration 2, fire resistance 1, frail 1, low mp 2, screaming 2, slow healing 2, teleportitis 1, AC +8 a: Breathe Fire, Receive Corpses, Torment, Renounce Religion You were on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts. You worshipped Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha was extremely pleased with you. You were not hungry. You visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and saw 17 of its levels. You visited the Abyss 1 time. You also visited: Ossuary. You collected 1329 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons o - a +1,+2 quick blade t - the +3,+8 trident of the Lamprey (weapon) {freeze, Dex+2} (You took it off a goblin on level 4 of the Dungeon) It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures. It affects your dexterity (+2). Armour u - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) z - a +0 cloak (worn) D - a +0 pair of boots (worn) O - a +0 buckler (worn) Magical devices j - a wand of hasting (5) w - a wand of heal wounds (0) y - a wand of fireball (5) Q - a wand of teleportation (0) S - a wand of lightning (8) Comestibles c - 7 bread rations U - 2 apricots Scrolls a - a scroll of magic mapping {unknown} i - 2 scrolls of identify q - 4 scrolls of remove curse r - 2 scrolls of teleportation C - a scroll of fear J - a scroll of blinking R - 2 scrolls of fog Jewellery b - an amulet of conservation (around neck) {unknown} g - a ring of wizardry (left hand) n - an uncursed ring of positive energy {unknown} G - an uncursed ring of sustenance K - an uncursed amulet of rage L - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) Potions e - 10 potions of curing h - a potion of invisibility k - a potion of agility l - a potion of flight p - 2 potions of might s - a potion of haste v - 3 potions of brilliance x - 4 potions of berserk rage A - a potion of lignification {unknown} M - a potion of resistance Books m - a book of Air Spells Type Level Shock Conjuration/Air 1 Swiftness Charms/Air 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Flight Charms/Air 3 Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 Skills: - Level 11.0 Fighting + Level 8.2 Polearms - Level 10.5 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth + Level 2.8 Shields - Level 8.5 Spellcasting - Level 10.1 Summonings - Level 7.5 Necromancy You had 2 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ #####... 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ #####... 1% 3 None d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ ####.... 4% 4 ###.... e - Summon Lightning Spi Summ/Air ####.... 4% 4 ###.... f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ###....... 3% 3 None g - Agony Necr #####... 4% 5 ####... h - Dispel Undead Necr #####... 4% 5 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (8/15) Temple (1/1) D:5 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (0/5) Lair:3 Snake (0/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Portals: Hell: Lair:8 Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can breathe blasts of fire. Your fiery red scales are hard (AC +8). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. Your flesh is heat resistant. You have a pair of small antennae on your head. Your tail ends in a poisonous barb. [You tend to lose your temper in combat.] [Your vision is extremely blurry.] [You are clumsy. (Dex -2)] [Your body is deteriorating.] [You are frail (-10% HP).] [Your magical capacity is very low (-20% MP).] [You sometimes yell uncontrollably.] [You do not heal naturally when monsters are visible.] [Space occasionally distorts in your vicinity.] Message History You block the hell hound's attack. The orange demon completely misses you. The orange demon stings you but does no damage. The orange demon hits you but does no damage. The sun demon hits you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You are engulfed in flames! You resist. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * One of your 5 scrolls of remove curse catches fire! The orange demon stings you from afar. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The red devil barely misses you. The writing blurs in front of your eyes. The red devil hits you from afar with a demon trident of electrocution. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The orange demon stings you but does no damage. The sixfirhy hits you but does no damage. The hell hound breathes flames at you. The blast of flame hits you! You resist. You die... Kikubaaqudgha rasps: "You have failed me! Welcome... death!" ˜ ˜˜˜˜ ˜ §˜§§§§§§§˜ ˜˜§§§§§§˜˜########### §§§˜§§§§§§§...#....... §§˜˜˜..4......#..8.8.. ˜§§n.44444....+...8.8. §§§§˜4434h.....#..8.8.. §§§§§˜4@4.....#...8)8. ###############..8.8.. +...8.8. #....... ######## ?? ?? ??.. ?...? ...?? You could see a sun demon, 5 orange demons, a hellwing, a sixfirhy, 2 blue devils, 2 red devils and a hell hound. Vanquished Creatures A dire elephant (Lair:8) 2 hydras 2 death yaks A wizard (Lair:8) 4 lindwurms (Lair:3) The ghost of Quith the Unyielding the Summoner, an experienced TeSu of Ashenzari (D:8) A griffon (Lair:6) 2 oklob plants (Lair:5) A worldbinder (Abyss:1) 2 elephants (Lair:6) A black mamba (Lair:1) 6 spiny frogs 3 fire drakes (Lair:8) A hellwing (Abyss:1) 3 komodo dragons A boulder beetle (Lair:8) 3 basilisks 5 blink frogs 12 wolves 18 yaks A wyvern (Lair:4) A steam dragon (Lair:6) 2 nagas (Lair:6) 8 hippogriffs 12 porcupines 10 water moccasins An ice beast (D:8) 3 small abominations (Abyss:1) 2 orc warriors (D:5) A giant goldfish (Lair:4) An ogre (D:8) A centaur (D:7) 12 crocodiles 12 giant slugs 13 giant frogs 3 killer bees 2 crimson imps A goliath beetle (D:8) 10 hounds 9 iguanas 4 jellies 4 worker ants 7 orange rats An orc wizard (D:6) 9 sheep (Lair:8) A crocodile zombie (D:5) 5 mummies (Ossuary) A gnoll (D:4) 3 orc zombies 40 green rats 16 adders A shadow imp (Abyss:1) 3 giant mites An inept feature mimic (D:7) 3 worms 2 ufetubi (Abyss:1) An adder zombie (D:5) 2 giant eyeballs 5 oozes 13 orcs A giant cockroach (D:1) A gnoll zombie (Ossuary) 8 goblins 5 hobgoblins 2 jackals (Lair:4) 13 quokkas 6 ball pythons 20 bats 4 giant geckos 6 giant newts A hobgoblin zombie (Ossuary) 8 kobolds An orc skeleton (D:5) 17 rats 390 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) 2 hydras Fannar (Lair:3) A death yak (Lair:5) Joseph (D:7) An oklob plant (Lair:5) 3 black mambas A smoke demon (Abyss:1) 4 spiny frogs 7 komodo dragons 2 blink frogs (Lair:7) The ghost of Saladin the Exhumer, an average DsDK of Yredelemnul (Ossuary) 5 yaks A hippogriff (Lair:3) 5 wolves A water moccasin (D:6) 2 porcupines (Lair:4) A mottled dragon (D:7) 2 phantoms 3 ice beasts A sky beast (D:6) An ogre (D:5) 2 giant frogs (Lair:1) 2 giant slugs 3 crocodiles 2 killer bees (D:8) An electric eel (Lair:4) 3 orc priests 2 iguanas (D:4) A giant frog skeleton (D:8) A worker ant (D:5) 2 hounds 3 orange rats 5 mummies (Ossuary) 10 green rats 2 adders 2 gnolls (D:4) An inept feature mimic (D:4) 3 orcs 4 bats (D:1) 2 giant cockroaches 2 goblins 4 hobgoblins A jackal (Lair:3) 2 giant geckos (D:1) A giant newt (D:1) A gnoll zombie (Ossuary) 2 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) 3 kobolds (D:1) A kobold zombie (Ossuary) 2 rats (D:1) 116 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 7 wolves 54 ice beasts 13 crimson imps An iron imp (D:8) 13 hounds A green rat (Lair:6) A shadow imp (D:5) 9 white imps 5 bats 3 quokkas 2 rats 2 plants (Lair:5) A starspawn tentacle (Abyss:1) 5 starspawn tentacle segments (Abyss:1) 117 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 623 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Draconis Eglis, the Draconian Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 319 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 825 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 1302 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 1302 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 18/26 MP: 6/6 1307 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 2476 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/33 MP: 4/7 3420 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 3823 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 3/9 3879 | D:4 | Got a fine trident {freeze} 3880 | D:4 | Identified the cursed +3,+8 trident of the Lamprey {freeze, Dex+2} (You took it off a goblin on level 4 of the Dungeon) 4150 | D:4 | Identified the Incunabulum of Snow 4205 | D:4 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 4205 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 4375 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 4438 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 4460 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 4460 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 4460 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 15/45 MP: 7/10 4751 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4794 | D:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 5477 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 6017 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6026 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6166 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 6281 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 6297 | D:5 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 6323 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 6325 | D:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 6336 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 6343 | D:5 | Gained mutation: Your tail ends in a poisonous barb. [potion of beneficial mutation] 6344 | D:5 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small antennae on your head. [potion of beneficial mutation] 6378 | D:5 | Your scales start taking on a fiery red colour. 6378 | D:5 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is heat resistant. [draconian maturity] 6378 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 41/50 MP: 9/12 6802 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 8424 | D:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 8424 | D:7 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 47/57 MP: 13/13 8785 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph 8824 | D:7 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 8825 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 8910 | D:7 | Killed Joseph 9442 | D:8 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 9564 | D:8 | Noticed Quith the Unyielding's ghost (experienced TeSu) 9641 | D:7 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's first power 9641 | D:7 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 9642 | D:7 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Necromancy (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 7 of the Dungeon) 9853 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 10057 | Ossuary | Noticed Saladin's ghost (average DsDK) 10085 | Ossuary | Killed Saladin's ghost 10298 | D:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 10432 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 59/71 MP: 20/20 10577 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10828 | D:8 | Killed Quith the Unyielding's ghost 10828 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 10928 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 10932 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 10962 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 10989 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 11007 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 11894 | Lair:1 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 12100 | Lair:1 | Killed a five-headed hydra 12100 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 84/84 MP: 3/24 12381 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire 12385 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 12847 | Lair:2 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's second power 13912 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 14339 | Lair:3 | Identified the Incunabulum of Venom (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 14362 | Lair:3 | Noticed a black mamba 14370 | Lair:3 | Killed a black mamba 14617 | Lair:3 | Noticed Fannar 14863 | Lair:3 | Killed Fannar 15061 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15062 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15063 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15069 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm 15074 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15074 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 95/95 MP: 27/27 15092 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15222 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15251 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm 15686 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 16631 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 18333 | Lair:5 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 18341 | Lair:5 | Killed a five-headed hydra 18341 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting 18779 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 18779 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 65/110 MP: 8/28 18782 | Lair:5 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) 19160 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19426 | Lair:5 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 19487 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms 19510 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 19515 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 19516 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 19521 | Lair:5 | Killed a death yak 19958 | Lair:3 | Killed a death yak 20047 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 20249 | Lair:5 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 20258 | Lair:5 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 21310 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 5 spell: Agony 21316 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 5 spell: Dispel Undead 21681 | Lair:6 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's third power 22018 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 22131 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 22253 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 22599 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 24377 | Lair:7 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 24504 | Lair:7 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 25107 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 25401 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 116/116 MP: 29/29 26006 | Lair:8 | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's fourth power 26074 | Lair:8 | Noticed a dire elephant 26818 | Lair:8 | Killed a dire elephant 26818 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 27168 | Lair:8 | Cast into the Abyss (wizard) 27282 | Abyss:1 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 27308 | Abyss:1 | Noticed a starcursed mass 27315 | Abyss:1 | Paralysed by accursed screaming for 1 turns 27316 | Abyss:1 | Noticed a tentacled starspawn 27316 | Abyss:1 | Noticed a tentacled starspawn 27378 | Abyss:1 | Noticed a starcursed mass 27446 | Abyss:1 | HP: 2/92 [large abomination (15)] 27837 | Abyss:1 | Noticed a lich 27872 | Lair:8 | Escaped the Abyss 27915 | Lair:8 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 27915 | Lair:8 | Found a gateway to Hell. 27916 | Lair:8 | HP: 5/104 [red devil/glowing demon trident (10)] 27918 | Lair:8 | Killed from afar by a hell hound Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 40 | | | | || 40 Short sword | 122 | 4 | | | || 126 War axe | | 59 | | | || 59 Trident | | 97 | 380 | 911 | 160 || 1548 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 28 | 5 | | | || 33 Call Canine Famil | | 5 | 22 | | || 27 Call Imp | | 31 | 33 | | || 64 Summon Ice Beast | | | 19 | 101 | 16 || 136 Summon Lightning | | | | 7 | || 7 Regeneration | | | | 1 | || 1 Agony | | | | | 4 || 4 Invok: Receive Corpses | | | | 1 | || 1 Abil: Breathe Fire | | | 5 | 5 | 1 || 11 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 2 | 7 | 9 || 19 Use: Scroll | | 4 | 17 | 10 | 5 || 36 Potion | | 2 | 6 | 4 | 10 || 22 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 1 || 15 Distracted | | 1 | 2 | 9 | 1 || 13 Invisible | | | | 2 | || 2

Monday, 12th May 2014, 16:01 by DracheReborn

Yeah, it was the blurry vision 3 causing you to lose turns when reading scrolls. Wands should have worked though, but it looks like you were out of charges.

You also had teleportitis 1, which may have caused you to random teleport.

Resting won't cause temporary mutations to go away though, you'd need to gain XP for that.

If you'd realized you had blurry vision, probably you could have hasted to get away from the demons before they got you.

Getting banished could be in part bad luck, but as a summoner you could have used minions to block LOS.

Better luck next game. Unfortunately learning crawl basically means a series of incidents like this. Learn from your deaths, and move on.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 16:07 by doubtofbuddha

Yeah, unfortunately when I teleported into the demons, I was essentially surrounded by them. I think I had one step that I could have taken that would have gotten me into a position where I could have potentially escaped, but I thought the game was glitching on me rather than realizing that I was dealing with blurry vision. I think this is mostly a lack of familiarity with the later parts of the game than anything else.

If I had bothered to pay attention to my mutations (I checked once and then did not again until after I died), I probably would have ran for Lair:7 rather than just rested on Lair:8. Everything else was cleared out and this would have given me an opportunity to at least get to a place where I could heal up before I continued on. Or maybe quaff a cure mutation potion, despite it causing me to lose my antenna and poison stinger.

And with the wizard, I am used to them being push-overs. I am not sure one has ever banished me to the Abyss successfully so I figured I could just tab it to death. Summoning some ice beasts would have definitely made the encounter completely trivial, but I did not think I needed them.

Lots of good lessons from this death. On to DrSu #3.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 20:55 by doubtofbuddha

Alright, here is the latest one. Finished Lair, though the last level of lair required me to use a bit more of my consumables than I liked.

Things working in favor of this one:
1) Ring of Slaying +0, +6
2) I have wands of invisibility, healing, and teleport
3) Found the book of the Warp, and I hear higher level Translocations can be good. This also gave me a convenient path to my next summoning spell (Summon ForesT)
4) Rod of Clouds and Rod of Ignition. Are these worth pushing hard into evocations for? They seem fun.
5) Some sort of artifact ring of poison resist +2 Str +5 Dex. Not sure yet if it has other egos.
6) Built in sustenance due to an early Potion of Beneficial Mutation

Downsides:
1) No weapon of real note. I was using a +3, +6 spear for a while, but switched to this +3, +4 Scimitar of Flaming (right choice?)
2) I have used up a lot of my potions and have pretty low stocks at this point.
3) I am a mottled draconian, which seems strictly worse than most of the other draconian types.

So any suggestions? I am thinking of going with my previous route of going through Orc and then seeing what the shops have to offer. Also of note: I found an antiques shop that have an unidentified halberd and an unidentified war axe, both artifact. Are either worth taking a chance on?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. Draconis Ascendis the Fighter (DrSu) Turns: 38563, Time: 02:10:55 HP 129/129 AC 13 Str 12 XL: 14 Next: 1% MP 27/27 EV 22 Int 21 God: Ashenzari [***...] Gold 1469 SH 13 Dex 17 Spells: 6 memorised, 6 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + J - +3,+4 scimitar (flame) rCold . . . Clarity + (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Conserve . x - +0 buckler (curse) rPois + rCorr + (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . C - +0 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . R - +2 pair of gloves (curse) rMut . Warding . d - +0 pair of boots Saprov . . . Stasis . B - amulet of resist corrosion MR +.... I - cursed +0,+6 ring of slaying o - ring of False Pretenses {tried, rPois Str+2 Dex+5} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: breathe sticky flames, unfitting armour, slow metabolism 1, AC +8 a: Breathe Sticky Flame, Renounce Religion You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is most pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 21 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 1469 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons z - a +3,+6 spear J - a +3,+4 scimitar of flaming (weapon) Armour d - a +0 pair of boots (worn) x - a cursed +0 buckler (worn) C - a +0 cloak (worn) R - a cursed +2 pair of gloves (worn) Magical devices g - a wand of disintegration q - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} y - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1} N - a wand of heal wounds {zapped: 1} P - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 1} T - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} Comestibles n - 4 bread rations A - 4 pears Scrolls h - 6 scrolls of teleportation m - a scroll of enchant weapon II p - 2 scrolls of blinking t - a scroll of fog w - 3 scrolls of fear E - a scroll of magic mapping Jewellery b - an uncursed ring of protection from fire f - an uncursed ring of protection from cold o - the ring of False Pretenses (left hand) {tried, rPois Str+2 Dex+5} u - an uncursed glass ring {tried} B - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck) F - an uncursed ring of positive energy H - an uncursed amulet of warding I - a cursed +0,+6 ring of slaying (right hand) O - an uncursed large bone amulet {tried} W - an uncursed ring of magical power Potions j - 2 potions of might l - a potion of magic r - 4 potions of heal wounds v - 2 potions of curing G - a potion of invisibility M - a potion of haste U - a potion of flight Z - a bubbling pink potion Books X - a book of Control Spells Type Level Control Teleport Charms/Translocation 4 Control Undead Necromancy 4 Enslavement Hexes 4 Metabolic Englaciation Hexes/Ice 5 Mass Confusion Hexes 6 Rods s - a -2 rod of clouds (10/10) (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) K - a +0 rod of ignition (12/12) (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) Skills: - Level 13.5 Fighting - Level 13.1 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 6.2(8.1) Shields - Level 6.1 Spellcasting - Level 10.1 Summonings + Level 4.5 Translocations - Level 4.0 Ice Magic + Level 6.9 Evocations You have 6 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ #####... 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ #####... 1% 3 ##..... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ #####... 6% 4 ####... e - Summon Lightning Spi Summ/Air ####.... 14% 4 ####... f - Summon Forest Summ/Tloc #####..... 17% 5 #####.. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (0/5) Lair:6 Snake (0/5) Lair:5 Slime (0/6) Lair:6 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul The Shining One Shops: D:4 = D:8 *[ D:10 ? D:11 ( Annotations: D:10 Maurice Lair:2 Nergalle Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can spit globs of burning liquid. You can ignite nearby creatures when you spit burning liquid. Your weird mottled scales are hard (AC +8). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You have a slow metabolism. Message History You slash the adder! You burn the adder. You kill the adder! No target in view! There is a stone staircase leading down here. You climb downwards. Level annotation: Nergalle There is a stone staircase leading up here. Items here: ! %%%%%%%%%% )) ////////// ::::::: ===== ?????? | } You drop 2 potions of agility. You drop a potion of restore abilities. You drop 2 potions of brilliance. You drop 2 oranges. You drop a wand of flame {zapped: 2}. You drop a wand of flame. You drop a wand of fire {zapped: 7}. You drop a wand of flame. You drop a wand of magic darts. You drop 3 chokos. You drop a +3 ring of evasion. 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Vanquished Creatures Rupert (Lair:8) The ghost of Glaber the Holy Warrior, a powerful MfGl of the Shining One (Lair:6) A minotaur (Lab) Josephine (D:11) Harold (Lair:2) A hydra (Lair:6) Erica (D:9) A necromancer (Lair:8) A wolf spider (Lair:8) 4 elephants A manticore (D:11) 2 griffons (Lair:4) A red wasp (Lair:8) 4 gargoyles 3 spiny frogs 3 black mambas 3 giant fireflies 4 fire drakes 2 two-headed ogres Sonja (D:12) 7 komodo dragons A queen bee (Lair:6) A troll (D:9) A minotaur skeleton (Lab) 2 deep elf magi 3 trapdoor spiders A blink frog (Lair:1) 2 brown oozes (Lair:6) 5 basilisks 2 shadows 7 hippogriffs 3 wyverns 12 yaks A death yak simulacrum (IceCv) A naga (Lair:5) A vampire mosquito (Lair:6) 2 hungry ghosts A steam dragon (Lair:8) A deep elf fighter (D:8) A tengu skeleton (D:12) 13 water moccasins 4 wolves A spiny frog zombie (Lair:8) 2 porcupines A swamp drake (Lair:8) 2 sky beasts 3 black bears 2 giant goldfish (Lair:4) 5 orc warriors A boring beetle (Lair:7) 3 spiders An alligator simulacrum (IceCv) 2 phantoms A yellow wasp (Lair:8) 2 ogres 12 ice beasts A centaur (D:10) 11 crocodiles 2 big kobolds 11 giant slugs 18 giant frogs A giant slug zombie (Lair:8) A cyclops zombie (D:11) A cyclops skeleton (D:11) A scorpion (D:10) 31 killer bees A swamp dragon simulacrum (IceCv) A yak skeleton (D:11) 3 goliath beetles 6 crimson imps 8 hounds A centaur zombie (D:11) A quasit (D:9) A giant frog skeleton (D:6) 2 orc priests (D:7) A black bear skeleton (D:6) 8 iguanas An orange rat (D:9) 3 yak simulacra (Lair:8) 2 centaur skeletons 4 orc wizards 2 wolf simulacra (Lair:8) 8 worker ants A polar bear simulacrum (Lair:8) A tengu simulacrum (D:11) 5 sheep (Lair:8) Ijyb (D:4) A crocodile zombie (D:11) A mummy (D:10) 24 adders A scorpion zombie (D:7) 12 gnolls 36 green rats 4 orc skeletons 6 shadow imps 2 giant mites 6 worms 2 orc zombies (D:10) 5 giant eyeballs 10 giant geckos 15 orcs A bat skeleton (D:4) 6 giant cockroaches 21 goblins 9 hobgoblins 36 jackals 23 kobolds 10 quokkas 2 ball pythons 26 bats A giant gecko zombie (D:6) A giant newt (D:3) 4 green rat simulacra (Lair:8) A jackal skeleton (D:4) A jackal zombie (D:11) 36 rats A rat zombie (D:8) A fungus (Lair:8) 591 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A fire dragon (Lair:8) Fannar (Lair:2) 3 hydras Erolcha (D:10) A red wasp (Lair:8) 2 griffons 2 wolf spiders (Lair:8) 3 elephants (Lair:6) A guardian serpent (Lair:8) 2 gargoyles 4 black mambas Psyche (D:10) 9 spiny frogs A feature mimic (D:10) 2 fire drakes (Lair:8) A two-headed ogre (D:8) 2 giant fireflies (Lair:5) 4 komodo dragons 2 ravens (Lair:4) 2 blink frogs (Lair:1) 2 brown oozes (Lair:6) 2 wyverns An elephant slug (Lair:8) A deep elf mage (D:9) 14 yaks 3 hippogriffs Edmund (D:7) A porcupine (Lair:4) A mottled dragon (Lair:8) A naga (Lair:5) 2 orc warriors 2 necrophages An ice beast (Lair:3) 3 spiders (Lair:8) 10 water moccasins 4 ogres 4 crocodiles A boring beetle (Lair:5) 6 giant frogs A giant slug (Lair:1) A scorpion (D:5) A cyclops skeleton (D:9) 12 killer bees A crimson imp (D:8) A jelly (D:6) 3 electric eels An orc priest (D:9) 4 hounds 5 iguanas 3 orc wizards 11 worker ants A wolf simulacrum (Lair:8) A big kobold skeleton (D:7) 9 gnolls 8 green rats A giant mite (D:4) 9 adders 2 worms An orc skeleton (D:9) A giant gecko (D:6) An ooze (D:6) 15 orcs 4 bats 15 hobgoblins 3 jackals A giant newt (D:1) 21 goblins (D:4) 9 kobolds An orc simulacrum (D:9) 2 quokkas 7 rats (D:8) 2 fungi 3 plants (Lair:8) 266 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 90 ice beasts 6 wolves 6 crimson imps 6 hounds 3 iron imps 3 lightning spires A shadow imp (D:4) 8 white imps A quokka (D:2) 3 rats 10 fungi 20 plants 157 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1014 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Draconis Ascendis, the Draconian Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 516 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 4/4 533 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 736 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have a slow metabolism. [potion of beneficial mutation] 1295 | D:2 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1322 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 1322 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/26 MP: 4/6 1514 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 2253 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/33 MP: 3/7 2523 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 2723 | D:3 | HP: 1/33 [poisoned by an adder] 3347 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 6/9 3584 | D:4 | Noticed Ijyb 3593 | D:4 | Killed Ijyb 3992 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 4025 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 4025 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 4105 | D:4 | Found Smiugiah's Jewellery Emporium. 4186 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/45 MP: 8/10 5249 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5260 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 5612 | D:5 | Identified a +0 rod of ignition (12/12) (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) 5942 | D:5 | Your scales start taking on a weird mottled pattern. 5942 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/50 MP: 7/12 6168 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6228 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6245 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 6348 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 6578 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 7089 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 7603 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 7603 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 45/57 MP: 13/13 7944 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 7973 | D:7 | Noticed Edmund 7984 | D:7 | Killed Edmund 8866 | D:7 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 8866 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 9579 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 62/62 MP: 20/20 10068 | D:8 | Found Tepoqa's Armour Boutique. 10087 | D:8 | Found Eneewes' Assorted Antiques. 10252 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 10269 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 10327 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 10601 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11110 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 11231 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 38/69 MP: 24/24 11752 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 11752 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 11957 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 11969 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 13088 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire 13129 | Lair:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 14244 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 14332 | Lair:2 | Noticed Fannar 14357 | Lair:2 | Noticed Harold 15035 | Lair:2 | Noticed Nergalle 15063 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spectral orc warlord 15233 | Lair:2 | Killed Harold 15336 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 60/89 MP: 25/25 15567 | Lair:3 | Found a frozen archway. 15862 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 15882 | IceCv | HP: 1/91 [death yak simulacrum (9)] 16987 | Lair:3 | Noticed a black mamba 16991 | Lair:3 | Killed a black mamba 17533 | Lair:2 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 17751 | Lair:2 | Killed Fannar 18421 | Lair:4 | HP: 4/95 [electric eel/bolt of electricity (4)] 18429 | Lair:4 | HP: 4/95 [poisoned by an adder] 19355 | Lair:5 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 19622 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 21009 | Lair:5 | Killed a five-headed hydra 21009 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 106/106 MP: 14/25 21093 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 21108 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 22119 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 22971 | Lair:6 | Noticed Glaber's ghost (powerful MfGl) 23234 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 23358 | Lair:6 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 23629 | Lair:6 | Killed Glaber's ghost 23629 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 11 in Dodging 24289 | Lair:6 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 24298 | Lair:6 | Killed a five-headed hydra 26434 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 26575 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting 27956 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 25/119 MP: 8/27 30278 | Lair:8 | Noticed Rupert 30979 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting 31095 | Lair:8 | Killed Rupert 31780 | Lair:8 | Noticed a fire dragon 31843 | Lair:8 | Killed a fire dragon 32919 | Lair:2 | Identified a -2 rod of clouds (10/10) (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 33258 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 33532 | D:9 | Got an uncursed brightly glowing amber ring 34239 | D:9 | Learned a level 5 spell: Summon Forest 34742 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 34868 | D:10 | Noticed Erolcha 34883 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 34900 | D:10 | Killed Erolcha 35203 | D:10 | Noticed Psyche 35208 | D:10 | Killed Psyche 35710 | D:10 | Noticed Erica 35722 | D:10 | Found Hytoid's Magic Scroll Emporium. 35729 | D:10 | Noticed Maurice 35763 | D:9 | Killed Erica 35763 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 35979 | D:10 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 36107 | D:11 | Found Pitegg's Antique Weapon Boutique. 36157 | D:11 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 36171 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 36993 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 37000 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 37352 | D:11 | Noticed Josephine 37390 | D:11 | Killed Josephine 37781 | D:11 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 38060 | D:12 | Noticed Sonja 38078 | D:12 | Killed Sonja 38248 | D:12 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 89/129 MP: 14/27 38395 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 38402 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 72 | | | | || 72 Spear | 119 | 240 | 443 | 1088 | 585 || 2475 Rod | | | 5 | 26 | || 31 Scimitar | | | | | 216 || 216 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 8 | | | | 2 || 10 Call Imp | 3 | 32 | 11 | | 4 || 50 Call Canine Famil | | 5 | 14 | 7 | || 26 Summon Ice Beast | | | | 136 | 125 || 261 Summon Lightning | | | | 4 | 2 || 6 Abil: Breathe Sticky Fl | | | 2 | | || 2 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | | 7 | 8 || 16 Rod | | | 1 | 5 | || 6 Use: Scroll | 4 | 3 | 15 | 17 | 5 || 44 Potion | 1 | | | 6 | 1 || 8 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 7 || 19 Distracted | | 3 | | 8 | 4 || 15

Monday, 12th May 2014, 21:42 by doubtofbuddha

Some more general comments:
1) Thanks for everyone's feedback and input. It has actually made this whole experience a lot more fun and I really appreciate the advice I have been given.

2) I am actually quite enjoying the Summoner playstyle, and like it more than say my recent attempts at playing an Air Elementalist. I had not played one until I started this thread and learning the vagaries of the various summonables has been enjoyable so far. I still haven't used the golem though. What situations make it worthwhile?
3) Draconians have also been pretty fun so far. I appreciate the flexibility inherent in them with their fairly neutral affinities though I think I would be hesitant to play an Elementalist as it seems too easy for the RNG to just randomly screw you. (Oh, you are an Ice Elementalist? lolz, you get to be a Fire Draconian).
4) I suspect I will be able to pull a win out of this character type eventually, once I get past making some of these mistakes I have been making. Playing the same character over and over again seems to be working from a get better at the game perspective, before I had a large number of splats and only a handful of characters that made the mid-to-late-game. Now I am making it to the mid-game pretty much every time. Its nice.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 21:54 by DracheReborn

Flaming Scimitar is fine. Your potions look ok to me? Consumables are meant to be consumed. Mottled breath is really good, it's basically free sticky flame. You should be abusing it every fight.

Sure, do Orc next. Personally I wouldn't bother with those randarts - war axe and halberd aren't good base types. It's possible though that one of them is +10 or something which would make it worth using, so if you really don't have anything else to spend on, you could gamble on those.

I haven't quite figured out guardian golem either. Draconians are good all around, and stuff like DrIE turning out to be red isn't as bad as it sounds. -2 apt isn't that awful, your breath damages things which are cold-resistant and vice versa, and it's easy enough to shift to melee most of the time.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 21:58 by archaeo

How can I ctrl-f "Sif" and not see anything in this thread outside of buddha's morgues? Sif is a great summoning god. I think the only time I wouldn't want to go Sif is if I was feeling like I wanted to build a "hybrid" summoner who spends as much time on the front lines with summons as backup, and while I think that's a cool and viable way to play the character, it isn't straight forward as summoning bros, channeling magic behind them, and summoning more bros, and repeating until you win the game.

That said,

doubtofbuddha wrote:So any suggestions? I am thinking of going with my previous route of going through Orc and then seeing what the shops have to offer. Also of note: I found an antiques shop that have an unidentified halberd and an unidentified war axe, both artifact. Are either worth taking a chance on?

Going through Orc seems like a grand idea. I would probably wait until after Orc:4 to take a chance on either of those artifacts, just so you can see what all your shop options are before you go splurging on artifacts that are probably crap. But, despite all the crap I just said about Sif, this character has a good shot at hybrid-y fun.

Those rods are fun, but you can probably stop training evocations at 10 or so and never touch it again. I'd spend Orc getting Summon Forest online and putting some more levels in Air, because Lightning Spire is amazing. After Orc:4, which you might have to approach with ridiculous and extreme caution, if at all, at first, I'd give some serious thought about melee weapon selection. You have no melee weapon skill, and it might be a nice thing to pick up, what with your slaying ring and Ash helping you along; pick the most likely weapon and train the skill.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:10 by crate

How can I ctrl-f "Sif" and not see anything in this thread outside of buddha's morgues? Sif is a great summoning god.

To be fair, these summoners are almost all worshipping Ashenzari, who is also a great summoning god, and they do seem to be hitting things, which is specifically the direction you would go with an Ash summoner.

Basically the gods who actually do something for summoners are very limited: Ash, Sif, TSO (and you can make a few others work, like Nemelex or Fedhas or Gozag, but they don't offer anything specifically good for summoner)

2) I am actually quite enjoying the Summoner playstyle, and like it more than say my recent attempts at playing an Air Elementalist. I had not played one until I started this thread and learning the vagaries of the various summonables has been enjoyable so far. I still haven't used the golem though. What situations make it worthwhile?

It is mainly useful for characters who summon things and then just sit there behind summons while they kill the monsters. It does a great job of making all your summons last longer, which is quite useful when it is your summons that are taking damage.

It is not so useful if you are up there next to monsters pressing tab, since 1) you will be taking more damage instead of your summons and 2) it might blow up in your face (literally).

kind of off topic but it deserves a comment:

3) Draconians have also been pretty fun so far. I appreciate the flexibility inherent in them with their fairly neutral affinities though I think I would be hesitant to play an Elementalist as it seems too easy for the RNG to just randomly screw you. (Oh, you are an Ice Elementalist? lolz, you get to be a Fire Draconian).

Red drac IE is actually quite strong since you're still a draconian, your conj apt is still just fine (red DrIE has better apts than DsIE, which is perfectly fine), and you get a breath that wrecks everything. The only combination that would actually annoy me is white DrFE because white breath is underwhelming and boring.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:16 by doubtofbuddha

Drache, I am always concerned that the splash is going to hit my dudes. But I will follow your advice and start using it more.

Also, I just picked up the game again after getting your advice and got the Book of Summonings. I am pleased. Now to decide to go for Shadow Creatures, which I can cast now with a 4% fail rate or should I wait a level and get Monstrous Menagerie, which has a much higher fail rate and probably needs a few more levels in Summoning (which I probably should be getting anyway, since I now have some better Summonings available.) And the Book of the Beasts. So I am pretty set. Any suggestions on which higher level Summoning spells are worth investing in?

archeo, that is a fair suggestion and does decrease the odds you will not end up with the higher level Summoning spells. I think noone mentioned it because I specifically mentioned my desire to play it as a hybrid. Besides Ash has been pretty awesome so far. I really like the extra information being provided and the curses haven't been nearly as annoying as I was concerned.

I plan on picking a weapon to train after I get through orc and see what my best available option is. I like to see what is available on Orc:4 before I make a final decision on caster characters who have some level of flexibility, like my Draconian. The only exception is if I end up with a good artifact or highly enchanted weapon earlier in the game.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:50 by doubtofbuddha

On the plus side I was able to create some pretty fantastic kill zones on Orc: 4 which let me utterly destroy any and all attackers. The Summon Forest spell is everything I could hope and dream for (I did not realize Dryads were so bad-ass), and their were narrow corridors in the main base, which let me use combinations of the Summon Lightning Spire and Rod of Clouds to devastate the clumped orc groups, including some of the higher level ones. Anything that was able to get through this got hit by my sticky flame breath and died as I ran away from it. So yeah, not using my breath weapon much before was a pretty silly mistake.

On the down side Orc: 4 only had 2 spellbook shops, with nothing more interesting than what I ever have, a food shop, and a gadgets shop, with the only things of interest being a +6 rod of the swarm and a +0 rod of striking.

So I think my next step is probably just going to check out those two randarts and see if they have anything good. Beyond that I am not sure what to do about weapons training? Maybe finish out the Dungeon levels and see if there is anything interesting?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 23:00 by archaeo

Well, use ctrl-f with, say, "sword && ego" or "mace && ego" and the like until you find something good, basically. I'm sure something nice has popped up by now, especially since you're using shields and want a good one-hander; if nothing better shows up, just focusing long blades may be the way to go, since you already have a branded scimitar that will do. On the other hand, with a rod of striking showing up, it's possible you should just start leveling staves, since you've already got a lot of evocations and could easily get more. An evo-focused staves guy may be just what the doctor ordered, especially with good summoning support and Ash boosting your skills.

Monday, 12th May 2014, 23:39 by doubtofbuddha

Cool. What sort of staff should I push for (rod of striking needs mace & flails right)?

I have found earth, death, summoning, and air.

ego swords are mostly mostly long swords and great swords of holy wraths plus various short swords. The Scimitar of Flame is probably the best one I have found so far in the dungeon.
ego maces are just maces and flails of crushing
For axes we have a vampiric hand axe, a battle axe of freezing, and a war axe of crushing.

The two randarts were pretty bad, unfortunately. The halberd had good slaying but was pain and had teleportitis which is not worth dealing with.

So yeah, pretty suboptimal all around.

Also: Finished down to D:15 (which was much harder than D:14 and pretty much everything else since Lair:8). Now I need to decide between Depths (Haha! No.), Snake, Swamp, and the first few levels of Elf. I am guessing I should start with Swamp? The change in monsters from older versions is kind of throwing me for a loop with the lair branches to be honest. I remember Swamp < Snake < Spider < Shoal. Is that still true?

Monday, 12th May 2014, 23:54 by doubtofbuddha

And because I have not done one in a while, here is a character dump:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file. Draconis Ascendis the Fighter (DrSu) Turns: 55945, Time: 03:23:58 HP 136/136 AC 14 Str 12 XL: 15 Next: 49% MP 29/29 EV 22 Int 22 God: Ashenzari [****..] Gold 2197 SH 13 Dex 17 Spells: 7 memorised, 1 level left rFire . . . SeeInvis + J - +3,+4 scimitar (flame) rCold . . . Clarity + (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Conserve . x - +0 buckler (curse) rPois + rCorr + (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . C - +0 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . R - +2 pair of gloves (curse) rMut . Warding . d - +0 pair of boots Saprov . . . Stasis . B - amulet of resist corrosion MR +.... I - cursed +0,+6 ring of slaying o - ring of False Pretenses {rPois Str+2 Dex+5} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: breathe sticky flames, unfitting armour, slow metabolism 1, AC +9 a: Breathe Sticky Flame, Scrying, Renounce Religion You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is greatly pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 28 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 3014 gold pieces. You have spent 817 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons J - a +3,+4 scimitar of flaming (weapon) Armour d - a +0 pair of boots (worn) x - a cursed +0 buckler (worn) C - a +0 cloak (worn) R - a cursed +2 pair of gloves (worn) Magical devices g - a wand of disintegration q - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} y - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1} N - a wand of heal wounds {zapped: 1} P - a wand of invisibility (3) T - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} Comestibles i - a rambutan k - 2 apples w - 6 rotting chunks of centaur flesh A - 4 pears L - 2 chunks of yak flesh Scrolls h - 2 scrolls of teleportation n - a scroll of enchant weapon I p - a scroll of blinking t - a scroll of fog D - a scroll of enchant weapon II E - 3 scrolls of magic mapping Q - a scroll of remove curse Jewellery b - an uncursed ring of protection from fire f - an uncursed ring of protection from cold m - the ring "Mniosixka" {rC+ MP+9} (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon) [ring of magical power] It protects you from cold. o - the ring of False Pretenses (left hand) {rPois Str+2 Dex+5} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) [ring of poison resistance] It affects your strength (+2). It affects your dexterity (+5). u - an uncursed glass ring {tried} B - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck) F - an uncursed ring of positive energy H - an uncursed amulet of warding I - a cursed +0,+6 ring of slaying (right hand) O - an uncursed large bone amulet {tried} Potions e - 2 potions of agility l - a potion of magic r - a potion of heal wounds v - 5 potions of curing z - a potion of porridge G - a potion of invisibility M - a potion of haste S - a potion of berserk rage U - a potion of flight Z - a potion of resistance Books a - a book of Summonings Spells Type Level Abjuration Summoning 3 Recall Summoning/Translocation 3 Summon Elemental Summoning 4 Shadow Creatures Summoning 5 Summon Demon Summoning 5 *Monstrous Menagerie Summoning 6 c - a book of Beasts Spells Type Level Summon Butterflies Summoning 1 *Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 *Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 Summon Mana Viper Hexes/Summoning 5 *Monstrous Menagerie Summoning 6 Summon Hydra Summoning 7 X - a book of Control Spells Type Level Control Teleport Charms/Translocation 4 Control Undead Necromancy 4 Enslavement Hexes 4 Metabolic Englaciation Hexes/Ice 5 Mass Confusion Hexes 6 Rods s - a -2 rod of clouds (10/10) (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) K - a +0 rod of ignition (12/12) (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) Skills: - Level 13.5 Fighting - Level 13.1 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 6.2(8.5) Shields - Level 6.1 Spellcasting + Level 13.3 Summonings - Level 7.0 Translocations - Level 4.0 Ice Magic - Level 3.6 Air Magic - Level 11.2 Evocations You have one spell level left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Summon Small Mammal Summ #### 1% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ ######.. 1% 2 None c - Call Canine Familiar Summ ######.. 1% 3 ##..... d - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summ #####... 2% 4 ###.... e - Summon Lightning Spi Summ/Air #####... 2% 4 ###.... f - Summon Forest Summ/Tloc ######.... 4% 5 #####.. g - Monstrous Menagerie Summ ######.... 8% 6 ######. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:12 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (0/5) Lair:6 Snake (0/5) Lair:5 Slime (0/6) Lair:6 Vaults (0/5) D:13 Depths (0/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul The Shining One Shops: D:4 = D:8 *[ D:10 ? D:11 ( D:12 [ D:15 ( Orc:3 ? Orc:4 ::%} Annotations: D:10 Maurice D:13 Dracus Sonus' ghost, powerful DrSu Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can spit globs of burning liquid. You can ignite nearby creatures when you spit burning liquid. Your weird mottled scales are hard (AC +9). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You have a slow metabolism. Message History an uncursed war axe of chopping; an uncursed robe; an uncursed chain mail; an uncursed dire flail an uncursed chain mail Things that are here: an uncursed chain mail; an uncursed long sword Things that are here: an uncursed robe; an uncursed dagger You see here an uncursed dagger. There is an entrance to Igugut's Gadget Boutique here. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Draconis Ascendis the Mottled Draconian Summoner. Ashenzari says: Partake of my vision. Partake of my curse. Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Search for what [? for help]? sword && ego Search for what [Enter for "sword && ego", or ? for help]? mace && ego Search for what [Enter for "mace && ego", or ? for help]? axe && ego Search for what [Enter for "axe && ego", or ? for help]? randart Can't find anything matching that. Search for what [Enter for "randart", or ? for help]? art Search for what [Enter for "art", or ? for help]? artifact Saving game... please wait. , #####)######..###......... ###...#.#...###..##.......## ##.....#.#.....##.##........# #....%[#.#......#.##....##... ...##.......##..)[##.....#... ..##.........##).#####....#.. ..#.......[...#..# ###.###. .................# ### ## ..##.........##..# #...##.....##...## *#n...##.##...@## ###n.......n### ########### There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Rupert (Lair:8) Frances (D:15) The ghost of Glaber the Holy Warrior, a powerful MfGl of the Shining One (Lair:6) A minotaur (Lab) An ettin (Orc:4) Josephine (D:11) 2 vault guards (D:13) Harold (Lair:2) A rakshasa (D:15) 2 hydras Erica (D:9) An orc high priest (Orc:4) 2 tengu warriors 6 centaur warriors Nergalle (Lair:2) A skeletal warrior (D:13) 2 unseen horrors 5 hill giants A necromancer (Lair:8) 3 orc knights A wolf spider (Lair:8) 4 elephants 2 manticores 3 orc sorcerers 3 griffons A red wasp (Lair:8) 2 cyclopes 5 gargoyles 3 spiny frogs A kobold demonologist (D:13) 3 black mambas 3 giant fireflies A merfolk (shapeshifter) (D:14) 4 fire drakes 3 two-headed ogres A freezing wraith (D:15) Sonja (D:12) 8 komodo dragons A queen bee (Lair:6) 6 trolls A minotaur skeleton (Lab) 4 deep elf magi 4 trapdoor spiders A blink frog (Lair:1) A raven (shapeshifter) (D:13) 3 ravens (D:12) 2 brown oozes (Lair:6) 7 basilisks A griffon skeleton (D:12) 2 wraiths 2 shadows A hill giant zombie (D:13) 9 hippogriffs 22 ugly things 6 wyverns 17 yaks A death yak simulacrum (IceCv) A naga (Lair:5) 7 vampire mosquitoes 2 hungry ghosts A hill giant skeleton (D:14) A steam dragon (Lair:8) 2 mottled dragons A deep elf fighter (D:8) A tengu skeleton (D:12) 14 water moccasins 2 ogre zombies 3 wargs (Orc:2) A soldier ant (D:14) 6 wolves A spiny frog zombie (Lair:8) A human skeleton (D:12) 2 porcupines A swamp drake (Lair:8) 4 sky beasts 3 black bears 3 giant goldfish 28 orc warriors A boring beetle (Lair:7) 3 spiders An alligator simulacrum (IceCv) 2 phantoms A yellow wasp (Lair:8) 3 manticore zombies 2 ogres 13 ice beasts 17 centaurs 13 crocodiles 2 big kobolds A brain worm (D:13) 11 giant slugs 21 giant frogs A giant slug zombie (Lair:8) 3 cyclops zombies A cyclops skeleton (D:11) 3 scorpions A tengu zombie (D:14) A troll zombie (D:13) 33 killer bees A swamp dragon simulacrum (IceCv) A yak skeleton (D:11) An electric eel (D:14) 5 jellies A wight (D:12) 4 goliath beetles A big fish (D:14) 9 crimson imps 11 hounds A centaur zombie (D:11) 2 quasits A giant frog skeleton (D:6) 22 orc priests A black bear skeleton (D:6) 10 iguanas An orange rat (D:9) 3 yak simulacra (Lair:8) 2 centaur skeletons 31 orc wizards 2 wolf simulacra (Lair:8) 8 worker ants A polar bear simulacrum (Lair:8) A tengu simulacrum (D:11) 5 sheep (Lair:8) Ijyb (D:4) A crocodile zombie (D:11) A mummy (D:10) 26 adders A scorpion zombie (D:7) 12 gnolls 36 green rats 4 orc skeletons 8 shadow imps 2 giant mites 7 worms 4 orc zombies 6 giant eyeballs 10 giant geckos 148 orcs A bat skeleton (D:4) 6 giant cockroaches 30 goblins 11 hobgoblins 36 jackals 23 kobolds 11 quokkas 2 ball pythons 26 bats A giant gecko zombie (D:6) A giant newt (D:3) A giant spore (D:14) 4 green rat simulacra (Lair:8) A jackal skeleton (D:4) A jackal zombie (D:11) 36 rats A rat zombie (D:8) 4 ballistomycetes (D:14) 2 fungi 984 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Snorg (Orc:2) 2 vault guards (D:13) 3 fire dragons An ettin (D:15) Fannar (Lair:2) 3 hydras Nessos (D:15) An ogre mage (D:15) A tengu warrior (D:13) 2 orc high priests (Orc:4) A soul eater (D:15) A deep elf knight (D:15) 4 skeletal warriors (D:13) A centaur warrior (D:15) 2 unseen horrors (D:15) Erolcha (D:10) 2 orc knights (Orc:4) 3 orc sorcerers Joseph (Orc:1) A red wasp (Lair:8) 2 griffons 2 wolf spiders (Lair:8) 3 elephants (Lair:6) A guardian serpent (Lair:8) 2 gargoyles 4 black mambas Psyche (D:10) 9 spiny frogs A feature mimic (D:10) 2 fire drakes (Lair:8) A freezing wraith (D:15) A two-headed ogre (D:8) 2 giant fireflies (Lair:5) 4 komodo dragons A blue devil (Orc:4) 2 ravens (Lair:4) A brown ooze (shapeshifter) (D:15) 2 blink frogs (Lair:1) 2 brown oozes (Lair:6) 2 wyverns An elephant slug (Lair:8) An ugly thing (D:12) A deep elf mage (D:9) 14 yaks 3 hippogriffs Edmund (D:7) A porcupine (Lair:4) A vampire mosquito (D:12) 2 mottled dragons A naga (Lair:5) A wolf (Orc:2) 5 orc warriors 2 necrophages 2 orc zombies (Orc:4) 4 wargs 7 ice beasts 3 spiders (Lair:8) 10 water moccasins 5 ogres 4 crocodiles A boring beetle (Lair:5) 6 giant frogs A giant slug (Lair:1) A scorpion (D:5) A cyclops skeleton (D:9) 15 killer bees A crimson imp (D:8) 5 jellies 3 electric eels 4 orc priests 4 hounds 5 iguanas 8 orc wizards 11 worker ants A wolf simulacrum (Lair:8) A big kobold skeleton (D:7) 9 gnolls 8 green rats A giant mite (D:4) An inept item mimic (Orc:2) 9 adders 2 worms 2 orc skeletons A giant gecko (D:6) An ooze (D:6) 42 orcs 4 bats 17 hobgoblins 3 jackals A giant newt (D:1) 26 goblins 9 kobolds An orc simulacrum (D:9) 2 quokkas 7 rats (D:8) 2 fungi 3 plants (Lair:8) 366 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 3 dryads 127 ice beasts 6 wolves 6 crimson imps 6 hounds 3 iron imps 8 lightning spires A shadow imp (D:4) 8 white imps A giant eyeball (D:14) A quokka (D:2) 3 rats 10 fungi 20 plants 5 snaplasher vines 966 snaplasher vine segments 1174 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 2524 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Draconis Ascendis, the Draconian Summoner, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 516 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 4/4 533 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 736 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have a slow metabolism. [potion of beneficial mutation] 1295 | D:2 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1322 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 1322 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/26 MP: 4/6 1514 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 2253 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/33 MP: 3/7 2523 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Summonings 2723 | D:3 | HP: 1/33 [poisoned by an adder] 3347 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 6/9 3584 | D:4 | Noticed Ijyb 3593 | D:4 | Killed Ijyb 3992 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 4025 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 4025 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Summonings 4105 | D:4 | Found Smiugiah's Jewellery Emporium. 4186 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/45 MP: 8/10 5249 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5260 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Summonings 5612 | D:5 | Identified a +0 rod of ignition (12/12) (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) 5942 | D:5 | Your scales start taking on a weird mottled pattern. 5942 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/50 MP: 7/12 6168 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6228 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6245 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 6348 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Summonings 6578 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 7089 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 7603 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 7603 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 45/57 MP: 13/13 7944 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 7973 | D:7 | Noticed Edmund 7984 | D:7 | Killed Edmund 8866 | D:7 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 8866 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 9579 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 62/62 MP: 20/20 10068 | D:8 | Found Tepoqa's Armour Boutique. 10087 | D:8 | Found Eneewes' Assorted Antiques. 10252 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 10269 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 10327 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 10601 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11110 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 11231 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 38/69 MP: 24/24 11752 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 11752 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 11957 | Lair:1 | Noticed a spiny frog 11969 | Lair:1 | Killed a spiny frog 13088 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire 13129 | Lair:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 14244 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 14332 | Lair:2 | Noticed Fannar 14357 | Lair:2 | Noticed Harold 15035 | Lair:2 | Noticed Nergalle 15063 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spectral orc warlord 15233 | Lair:2 | Killed Harold 15336 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 60/89 MP: 25/25 15567 | Lair:3 | Found a frozen archway. 15862 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 15882 | IceCv | HP: 1/91 [death yak simulacrum (9)] 16987 | Lair:3 | Noticed a black mamba 16991 | Lair:3 | Killed a black mamba 17533 | Lair:2 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 17751 | Lair:2 | Killed Fannar 18421 | Lair:4 | HP: 4/95 [electric eel/bolt of electricity (4)] 18429 | Lair:4 | HP: 4/95 [poisoned by an adder] 19355 | Lair:5 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 19622 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 21009 | Lair:5 | Killed a five-headed hydra 21009 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 106/106 MP: 14/25 21093 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 21108 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 22119 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 22971 | Lair:6 | Noticed Glaber's ghost (powerful MfGl) 23234 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 23358 | Lair:6 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 23629 | Lair:6 | Killed Glaber's ghost 23629 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 11 in Dodging 24289 | Lair:6 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 24298 | Lair:6 | Killed a five-headed hydra 26434 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 26575 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting 27956 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 25/119 MP: 8/27 30278 | Lair:8 | Noticed Rupert 30979 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting 31095 | Lair:8 | Killed Rupert 31780 | Lair:8 | Noticed a fire dragon 31843 | Lair:8 | Killed a fire dragon 32919 | Lair:2 | Identified a -2 rod of clouds (10/10) (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 33258 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 33532 | D:9 | Got an uncursed brightly glowing amber ring 34239 | D:9 | Learned a level 5 spell: Summon Forest 34742 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 34868 | D:10 | Noticed Erolcha 34883 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 34900 | D:10 | Killed Erolcha 35203 | D:10 | Noticed Psyche 35208 | D:10 | Killed Psyche 35710 | D:10 | Noticed Erica 35722 | D:10 | Found Hytoid's Magic Scroll Emporium. 35729 | D:10 | Noticed Maurice 35763 | D:9 | Killed Erica 35763 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 35979 | D:10 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 36107 | D:11 | Found Pitegg's Antique Weapon Boutique. 36157 | D:11 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 36171 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 36993 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 37000 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 37352 | D:11 | Noticed Josephine 37390 | D:11 | Killed Josephine 37781 | D:11 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 38060 | D:12 | Noticed Sonja 38078 | D:12 | Killed Sonja 38248 | D:12 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 89/129 MP: 14/27 38395 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 38402 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 38705 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 38707 | D:12 | Found Thoivuiw's Armour Shoppe. 38935 | D:12 | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations 40199 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 40343 | Orc:1 | Noticed Joseph 40350 | Orc:1 | Killed Joseph 40852 | Orc:2 | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 5 turns 42013 | Orc:3 | Noticed Snorg 42086 | Orc:2 | Killed Snorg 42086 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 43385 | Orc:3 | Found Pha Chaf's Magic Scroll Emporium. 43539 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 44570 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 44794 | Orc:4 | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 4 turns 45679 | Orc:4 | Found Ixivievi's Book Boutique. 45703 | Orc:4 | Found Igugut's Gadget Boutique. 45703 | Orc:4 | Found Plaunun's Food Shoppe. 45703 | Orc:4 | Found Shycumm's Book Shoppe. 45872 | Orc:3 | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces 45873 | Orc:3 | Identified the ring of False Pretenses {rPois Str+2 Dex+5} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) 45987 | D:11 | Bought a twisted war axe for 314 gold pieces 45987 | D:11 | Bought a polished halberd for 333 gold pieces 45988 | D:11 | Identified the -2,+1 war axe of Greed {holy, rElec rC+} (You bought it in a shop on level 11 of the Dungeon) 46148 | D:8 | Bought a tubular agate ring for 140 gold pieces 46303 | Lair:2 | Killed Nergalle 46303 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations 48129 | D:13 | Noticed Dracus Sonus' ghost (powerful DrSu) 48747 | D:13 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 69/136 MP: 16/29 49002 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 50234 | D:14 | Identified the ring "Mniosixka" {rC+ MP+9} 51906 | D:14 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 51912 | D:14 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 52298 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 52309 | D:15 | Noticed Nessos 52338 | D:15 | Noticed Frances 52340 | D:15 | Killed Nessos 52354 | D:15 | Killed Frances 52678 | D:15 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 54621 | D:15 | Found Tithix's Weapon Emporium. 55100 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 55681 | D:15 | Learned a level 6 spell: Monstrous Menagerie Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 72 | | | | || 72 Spear | 119 | 240 | 443 | 1088 | 585 || 2475 Rod | | | 5 | 26 | 83 || 114 Scimitar | | | | | 1330 || 1330 Cast: Summon Small Mamm | 8 | | | | 2 || 10 Call Imp | 3 | 32 | 11 | | 4 || 50 Call Canine Famil | | 5 | 14 | 7 | || 26 Summon Ice Beast | | | | 136 | 189 || 325 Summon Lightning | | | | 4 | 17 || 21 Summon Forest | | | | | 14 || 14 Abil: Breathe Sticky Fl | | | 2 | | 25 || 27 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | | 7 | 10 || 18 Rod | | | 1 | 5 | 11 || 17 Use: Scroll | 4 | 3 | 15 | 17 | 8 || 47 Potion | 1 | | | 6 | 4 || 11 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 11 || 23 Distracted | | 3 | | 8 | 5 || 16

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 00:29 by tasonir

Rod of striking uses staves skill, but also relies heavily on evocations. I think min delay is 12 staves or so, double check that, but definitely stop at whatever min delay is, and then train evocations. You'd eventually want all the way up to 27, but that's obviously a huge investment, and is why the rod of striking isn't really used very often. Unless you're really trying to use the rod of striking, you might want something cheaper to get online. That said, you already have 11 evocations, and no other weapon skill, so if you have one (I don't see it in your inventory) it could be useful to you. Keep a quarterstaff/lajatang around for when the rod runs out of mana, which it can and will.

Lair branch order depends on your build and personal preferences. I love running spider with my mostly melee characters, and generally do that first, but I think most people here would say swamp is easiest. I can't really disagree with that, although I don't really like the new thorn hunters and floating lotus-whatever things. Between snake and swamp, they're about the same, I'd probably do swamp first, but either way you're probably fine.

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 00:37 by duvessa

rod of striking does not use staves skill