YAVP: OgBe

Wednesday, 25th December 2013, 21:34 by Sandman25

I am not sure if MDA is the way to go for OgBe. Would you wait for IDA/FDA/GDA?
I have 3 scrolls of enchant armour.
Acquiring +0 cloak of preservation was great but later I found cloak of Starlight and found +2 cloak of preservation on Maurice.
Orcish Mines are blocked by Psyche/Sonja/Nergalle.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1626-g054e7ae (tiles) character file. OgBe the Shatterer (Ogre Berserker) Turns: 23542, Time: 02:02:46 HP 161/161 AC 13 Str 25 XL: 14 Next: 99% MP 14/14 EV 18 Int 9 God: Trog [*****.] Gold 1785 SH 0 Dex 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 13 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + a - +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} rCold . . . Clarity . t - +2 robe of Anarchy {rPois rN+ Int+3 SInv} rNeg + + . Conserve + (shield restricted) rPois + rCorr + (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . V - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons} SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding + (boots unavailable) Saprov + . . Stasis . G - amulet of warding i - +3 ring of evasion e - +5 ring of protection @: very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, fast metabolism 1, saprovore 1, tough skin 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility You are on level 15 of the Dungeon. You worship Trog. Trog is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 26 of its levels. You have also visited: Ice Cave. You have collected 1799 gold pieces. You have spent 14 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey (weapon) {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) It poisons the flesh of those it strikes. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you turn invisible. b - a +3,+6 anti-magic giant club f - a +0 blowgun v - the +4,+9 great mace "Worm's Wrath" {crush, *Rage Dex+1 Int+4 Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your intelligence (+4). It affects your dexterity (+1). It makes you angry. It makes you much more stealthy. Missiles h - 65 poisoned needles r - 14 javelins w - 2 throwing nets C - 5 poisoned javelins J - 4 tomahawks of returning S - 6 curare-tipped needles Y - 3 large rocks (quivered) Armour q - a +0 cloak of preservation t - the +2 robe of Anarchy (worn) {rPois rN+ Int+3 SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your intelligence (+3). It protects you from poison. It protects you from negative energy. It enhances your eyesight. u - a mottled dragon hide F - the +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your evasion (+4). It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It makes you much less stealthy. V - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn) Magical devices d - a wand of confusion {zapped: 7} A - a wand of fire {zapped: 1} D - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 2} M - a wand of lightning {zapped: 1} Q - a wand of magic darts T - a wand of flame W - a wand of cold {zapped: 1} Comestibles c - 3 meat rations n - a rotting chunk of mottled dragon flesh {@w1} x - a lemon R - 2 bread rations Scrolls k - a scroll of fog y - 3 scrolls of teleportation B - a scroll of magic mapping I - 2 scrolls of identify X - 5 scrolls of remove curse Z - 2 scrolls of blinking Jewellery e - a +5 ring of protection (left hand) g - an uncursed ring of regeneration i - a +3 ring of evasion (right hand) j - an uncursed ring of protection from fire l - the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of poison resistance] It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. o - an uncursed ring of teleportation z - an uncursed ring of sustenance E - an uncursed ring of protection from fire G - an amulet of warding (around neck) K - an uncursed ring of positive energy P - an uncursed ring of ice Potions m - 3 potions of curing p - 3 potions of flight s - 2 potions of agility H - a potion of speed L - 3 potions of heal wounds Miscellaneous N - a fan of gales O - a fan of gales Skills: + Level 15.6 Fighting - Level 22.0 Maces & Flails + Level 6.6 Throwing + Level 11.3 Dodging You have 13 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/16) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (2/4) D:11 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (0/5) Lair:6 Snake (0/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (0/5) D:14 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:8 [ Annotations: D:4 exclusion: downstairs D:6 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: upstairs Orc:1 exclusion: downstairs Orc:2 nergalle, psyche and sonya !, Nergalle, Psyche, Sonja Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have a fast metabolism. You can tolerate rotten meat. You have tough skin (AC +1). Message History Aim: a hungry ghost You throw a large rock. The large rock crashes through the hungry ghost. The hungry ghost is moderately damaged. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): Y - 2 large rocks (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hungry ghost Aim: a hungry ghost (moderately damaged) You throw a large rock. The large rock crashes through the hungry ghost. You destroy the hungry ghost! You now have 1776 gold pieces (gained 25). Y - 3 large rocks (gained 2) Y - 4 large rocks (gained 1) You open the door. Found an escape hatch in the ceiling. There is an open door here. There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. You open the door. A hill giant comes into view. It is wielding a giant club. The hill giant shouts! There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. There is an open door here. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): Y - 4 large rocks (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - hill giant Aim: a hill giant, wielding a giant club You throw a large rock. The large rock crashes through the hill giant. The hill giant is moderately wounded. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): Y - 3 large rocks (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hill giant Aim: a hill giant, wielding a giant club (moderately wounded) You throw a large rock. The large rock crashes through the hill giant. The hill giant is severely wounded. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): Y - 2 large rocks (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hill giant Aim: a hill giant, wielding a giant club (severely wounded) You throw a large rock. The large rock crashes through the hill giant. The hill giant is almost dead. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): Y - a large rock (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hill giant Aim: a hill giant, wielding a giant club (almost dead) You throw a large rock. The large rock crashes through the hill giant. You kill the hill giant! You smell decay. (slot n) Y - a large rock You see here a giant club. Y - 2 large rocks (gained 1) Y - 3 large rocks (gained 1) There is an open door, spattered with blood here. There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. A slime creature comes into view. The slime creature quivers. There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. There is an open door, spattered with blood here. You hammer the slime creature like a gong!!! The slime creature is severely wounded. The slime creature closely misses you. You hammer the slime creature like a gong!!! You kill the slime creature! A slime creature comes into view. There is an open door here. There is an open door here. You crush the slime creature like a grape!!! The slime creature is almost dead. You hit the slime creature. The slime creature is almost dead. The slime creature hits you but does no damage. You puncture the slime creature! You kill the slime creature! A slime creature comes into view. The slime creature quivers. There is an open door here. You see here a giant club. You barely miss the slime creature. The slime creature closely misses you. You completely miss the slime creature. You hit the slime creature. The slime creature is lightly wounded. The slime creature misses you. You skewer the slime creature like a kebab!!! The slime creature is severely wounded. The slime creature barely misses you. You pound the slime creature like an anvil!!! You kill the slime creature! There is an open door here. There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. Found 9 gold pieces. There is an open door here. Found one item. Found a robe. Found a stone staircase leading down. You now have 1785 gold pieces (gained 9). Found a ring of sustenance. U - a scroll labeled YMNACA SKEEPI {tried on +1 animal skin} Search for what [Enter for "mnaca", or ? for help]? enchant arm Drop what? (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop a scroll labeled YMNACA SKEEPI {tried on +1 animal skin}. Saving game... please wait. ####+##### ...=.....# #.........# #..>[.....# #.......@.# #.........# #.........# #.........# #.........# #.........# #.........# #.........+ #.........# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Rupert (Lair:3) 4 hydras Urug (D:12) 2 centaur warriors (D:13) A catoblepas (Lair:5) 4 unseen horrors (D:13) 3 ice statues (IceCv) 5 hill giants Pikel (D:5) 2 griffons 2 cyclopes Maurice (D:13) 18 spiny frogs An item mimic (Lair:4) A queen ant (Lair:5) 3 black mambas A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:14) 2 trolls 10 komodo dragons 2 hydra zombies 3 fire drakes 4 giant leeches (Lair:8) 4 two-headed ogres 7 blink frogs An ice dragon zombie (D:14) A formicid (shapeshifter) (D:14) A grizzly bear (Lair:6) 3 basilisks A trapdoor spider (D:12) 2 wyverns 4 sharks (Lair:8) 38 reindeers 12 slime creatures 2 elephant slugs (Lair:8) 2 wraiths (D:12) A shadow (D:13) 3 hungry ghosts 12 wolves A merfolk (shapeshifter) (D:14) A hill giant skeleton (D:9) A merfolk (D:7) 11 vampire mosquitoes 8 hippogriffs 7 soldier ants (Lair:5) 2 manticores A mottled dragon (D:14) 2 slaves 7 necrophages 7 porcupines 3 giant goldfish A sky beast (D:6) A naga (Lair:6) 7 ogres 14 ice beasts 6 orc warriors A yellow wasp (D:10) 11 centaurs A boring beetle (shapeshifter) (D:8) 10 crocodiles Satan Claus (D:7) 3 big kobolds 3 wargs (D:11) 8 water moccasins 5 giant slugs 8 agate snails 33 giant frogs A cyclops zombie (D:13) A wyvern zombie (D:8) A cyclops skeleton (D:14) 4 jellyfish A hippogriff zombie (D:12) 9 killer bees 10 wights A troll zombie (D:12) 4 electric eels 12 hounds 4 giant frog zombies 10 crimson imps 4 jellies A centaur zombie (D:12) 4 goliath beetles 12 orc priests 4 big fish 4 human zombies (D:12) 7 iguanas A centaur skeleton (D:10) 4 orange rats (Lair:7) 13 orc wizards 3 scorpions A human skeleton (D:12) 33 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:8) 18 sheep A crocodile zombie (D:7) A big kobold skeleton (D:12) 6 mummies 23 green rats 20 adders 4 giant centipedes 3 worms 3 giant mites A scorpion zombie (D:6) A giant eyeball (D:9) 9 giant geckos 3 oozes 64 orcs 29 bats A bat zombie (D:5) 2 giant cockroaches 10 hobgoblins 46 jackals 27 kobolds 4 training dummies (D:5) 2 ball pythons 7 giant newts 2 giant spores (D:11) 16 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) 6 quokkas 19 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 6 ballistomycetes 816 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) 2 hydras A black mamba (Lair:1) A spiny frog (Lair:8) A blink frog (Lair:8) A shark (Lair:8) A vampire mosquito (Lair:8) A phantom (D:12) A giant goldfish (Lair:8) 2 crocodiles A water moccasin (Lair:1) 2 giant frogs An agate snail (Lair:8) A jellyfish (Lair:8) A big fish (Lair:8) 4 green rats (Lair:1) A rat (Lair:3) 22 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 2 two-headed ogres A troll (Lair:5) 5 ogres An electric eel (Lair:6) 3 killer bees (D:14) A worker ant (D:14) A quokka (D:3) A bat (D:3) A giant spore (D:8) 5 fungi 4 plants 25 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 863 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | OgBe, the Ogre Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/1 325 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 32/32 MP: 2/2 543 | D:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 562 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 562 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 35/39 MP: 3/3 820 | D:2 | Acquired Trog's second power 1011 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1014 | D:2 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 1014 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1016 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1359 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails 1417 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 46/48 MP: 4/4 1460 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1489 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 1493 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 1497 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 1500 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails 1500 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/54 MP: 5/5 1505 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2585 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails 2626 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 6/6 2635 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 2693 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 2700 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2711 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails 2812 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 2822 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 2823 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 2823 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2877 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 2886 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/70 MP: 7/7 2894 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 2897 | D:4 | Noticed an orc warrior 2898 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 2906 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 2906 | D:4 | HP: 2/70 [orc warrior/orcish hand axe (5)] 2907 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 3274 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 3499 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3499 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 3684 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 3690 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails 3729 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 3746 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 4049 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/78 MP: 8/8 4091 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails 4181 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 4181 | D:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails 4191 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 39 dmg 4530 | D:5 | Reached skill level 14 in Maces & Flails 4609 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 60/84 MP: 9/9 4994 | D:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails 5191 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5209 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5397 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 5407 | D:6 | Received a gift from Trog 5595 | D:7 | Noticed Satan Claus 5762 | D:7 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 5766 | D:7 | Identified a +0 cloak of preservation (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 5862 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Maces & Flails 5872 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 5947 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 5949 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 5963 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 6235 | D:7 | Killed Satan Claus 6887 | D:8 | Found Kutuoniav's Antique Armour Shoppe. 6895 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 98/98 MP: 10/10 6908 | D:8 | Bought a glowing robe for 14 gold pieces 7067 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 7067 | D:8 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7082 | D:8 | Noticed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Killed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7633 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 7793 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 7805 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 7819 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 8086 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 8137 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 8429 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8546 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8553 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 8714 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8751 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 8751 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 8753 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 8851 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 8867 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 52/119 MP: 11/11 9223 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 9224 | D:10 | Got a warped great mace {god gift} 9225 | D:10 | Identified the +4,+9 great mace "Worm's Wrath" {crush, *Rage Dex+1 Int+4 Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 9288 | D:11 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 10094 | Lair:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 10104 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Maces & Flails 10602 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 10770 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Maces & Flails 10847 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg 10979 | Lair:2 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 10983 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11004 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Trog 11005 | Lair:2 | Got a jewelled giant spiked club {god gift} 11006 | Lair:2 | Identified the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 11390 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 120/128 MP: 12/12 11453 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 11460 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 11461 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 11463 | Lair:3 | Noticed Rupert 11486 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 31 dmg 11488 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11488 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 19 in Maces & Flails 11628 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 12221 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 12225 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 12234 | Lair:3 | Killed Rupert 12514 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Maces & Flails 13753 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 13766 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 13767 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14217 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 14229 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14302 | Lair:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 14774 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 140/140 MP: 13/13 15174 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 15235 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 21 in Maces & Flails 15552 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Trog 15608 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 17063 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 17307 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 17327 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 18089 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 18215 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 18589 | Lair:8 | Got a shimmering brass ring 18595 | Lair:8 | Got a faintly humming robe 18597 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/156 MP: 14/14 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the +2 robe of Anarchy {rPois rN+ Int+3 SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18693 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 18764 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19322 | D:11 | Reached skill level 22 in Maces & Flails 19398 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 19532 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19544 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19684 | D:11 | Received a gift from Trog 19694 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 19728 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19738 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19893 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Sonja 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Psyche 20120 | Orc:2 | Noticed Nergalle 20182 | D:12 | Noticed Urug 20189 | D:12 | Killed Urug 20861 | D:12 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 21064 | D:13 | Found a frozen archway. 21078 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 21111 | IceCv | ! 21536 | D:13 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 22050 | D:13 | Received a gift from Trog 22170 | D:13 | Noticed Maurice 22185 | D:13 | Killed Maurice 22193 | D:13 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You took it off Maurice on level 13 of the Dungeon) 22198 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 22445 | D:13 | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg 23008 | D:14 | Received a gift from Trog 23160 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 23434 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Mace | 126 | 90 | | | || 216 Flail | | 59 | 197 | 10 | || 266 Morningstar | | | 238 | 445 | || 683 Giant spiked club | | | | 218 | 777 || 995 Great mace | | | | 77 | 162 || 239 Throw: Stone | 1 | 12 | 1 | | 3 || 17 Tomahawk | | 11 | 6 | | || 17 Dart | | 3 | 63 | 12 | 22 || 100 Large rock | | | | 40 | 28 || 68 Javelin | | | | 3 | 10 || 13 Invok: Berserk | | 4 | 3 | 4 | || 11 Trog's Hand | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 || 5 Burn Spellbooks | | | 1 | 2 | 1 || 4 Brothers in Arms | | | | 11 | 6 || 17 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 8 || 8 Use: Scroll | 4 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 7 || 44 Potion | | 1 | 3 | 1 | || 5 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | | 2 | || 3

Wednesday, 25th December 2013, 22:31 by pickled_heretic

I have ascended with 10 ac on an ogre, but he was casting spells. In my experience take the immediate gain with MDA now because in the late game ogres have enough HP to not die regardless of their defensive stats.

Wednesday, 25th December 2013, 22:33 by dck

You should wear and enchant the MDA and use starlight.
Go invis before entering the mines, summon a bro, confuse sonja, ta sonja and psyche, curare nergalle, antimagic nergalle.

Wednesday, 25th December 2013, 23:07 by duvessa

ta doesn't work on berserking allies, all it will do is make noise and waste a turn.

Wednesday, 25th December 2013, 23:16 by dck

Ah right I kept forgetting to look into how that works.
Do they just randomly chose a target to attack (or the closest one) and then never change target unless they're hit by someone else or what?

Wednesday, 25th December 2013, 23:29 by Sandman25

pickled_heretic wrote:I have ascended with 10 ac on an ogre, but he was casting spells. In my experience take the immediate gain with MDA now because in the late game ogres have enough HP to not die regardless of their defensive stats.

Right, with spells the decision would be obvious.

Wednesday, 25th December 2013, 23:42 by Sandman25

Invisibility didn't help much

There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You fade into invisibility!
You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
Warning, next level annotated: nergalle, psyche and sonya !, Nergalle, Psyche, Sonja
Enter next level anyway?
You climb downwards.
Nergalle shouts! Sonja shouts! The hobgoblin shouts! The orc shouts!
The orc shouts!
Psyche shouts! The goblin shouts!
The goblin misses you. Psyche hits you with a glowing dagger. You blink.
Found 17 gold pieces.
Damage: -1%(-3hp) hp: 99%(166hp)
Use which ability? (? or * to list)
Your stone giant goes berserk!
You feel somewhat more hungry.
Sonja shouts! The orc shouts!
Nergalle casts a spell at you.
Orcish apparitions take form around you.
Sonja shouts! The orc shouts!
Your stone giant hits the spectral orc warrior!
The spectral orc warrior is destroyed!
Sonja unwields an uncursed blowgun.
Sonja wields an uncursed short sword of distortion.
Its appearance distorts for a moment. Sonja hits you but does no damage.
Your surroundings suddenly seem different.

Edit. Second time I was more lucky.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1626-g054e7ae (tiles) character file. OgBe the Shatterer (Ogre Berserker) Turns: 25250, Time: 02:12:41 HP 169/169 AC 17 Str 26 XL: 15 Next: 26% MP 15/15 EV 22 Int 6 God: Trog [*****.] Gold 1898 SH 0 Dex 14 Spells: 0 memorised, 14 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} rCold + . . Clarity . u - +3 mottled dragon armour rNeg + . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec + rRot . F - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding + (boots unavailable) Saprov + . . Stasis . G - amulet of warding i - +3 ring of evasion e - +5 ring of protection @: invisible, very slightly contaminated, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: unfitting armour, fast metabolism 1, saprovore 1, tough skin 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion You are on level 2 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Trog. Trog is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 26 of its levels. You have also visited: Ice Cave. You have collected 1912 gold pieces. You have spent 14 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey (weapon) {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) It poisons the flesh of those it strikes. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you turn invisible. b - a +3,+6 anti-magic giant club f - a +0 blowgun v - the +4,+9 great mace "Worm's Wrath" {crush, *Rage Dex+1 Int+4 Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your intelligence (+4). It affects your dexterity (+1). It makes you angry. It makes you much more stealthy. Missiles h - 25 poisoned needles r - 4 javelins w - 2 throwing nets C - 5 poisoned javelins S - 6 curare-tipped needles Y - 6 large rocks (quivered) Armour u - a +3 mottled dragon armour (worn) F - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your evasion (+4). It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It makes you much less stealthy. Magical devices d - a wand of confusion {zapped: 7} A - a wand of fire {zapped: 1} D - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 2} M - a wand of lightning {zapped: 1} Q - a wand of magic darts T - a wand of flame W - a wand of cold {zapped: 1} Comestibles c - 3 meat rations x - a rotting chunk of sheep flesh {@w1} R - 3 bread rations Scrolls k - 2 scrolls of fog y - 4 scrolls of teleportation B - a scroll of magic mapping I - a scroll of identify X - 6 scrolls of remove curse Z - 3 scrolls of blinking Jewellery e - a +5 ring of protection (left hand) g - an uncursed ring of regeneration i - a +3 ring of evasion (right hand) j - an uncursed ring of protection from fire l - the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of poison resistance] It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. o - an uncursed ring of teleportation q - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit z - an uncursed ring of sustenance E - an uncursed ring of protection from fire G - an amulet of warding (around neck) K - an uncursed ring of positive energy P - an uncursed ring of ice Potions m - 3 potions of curing p - 3 potions of flight s - 2 potions of agility t - a potion of might H - a potion of speed L - 3 potions of heal wounds Miscellaneous N - a fan of gales O - a fan of gales Skills: - Level 15.6 Fighting - Level 22.0 Maces & Flails - Level 6.6 Throwing + Level 5.0 Armour - Level 11.3 Dodging You have 14 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/16) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (2/4) D:11 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (0/5) Lair:6 Snake (0/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (0/5) D:14 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:8 [ Annotations: D:4 exclusion: downstairs D:6 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: upstairs Orc:1 exclusion: downstairs Orc:2 nergalle, psyche and sonya !, Nergalle, Psyche, Sonja Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have a fast metabolism. You can tolerate rotten meat. You have tough skin (AC +1). Message History There is a stone staircase leading down here. Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You fade into invisibility! You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic. Warning, next level annotated: nergalle, psyche and sonya !, Nergalle, Psyche, Sonja Enter next level anyway? You climb downwards. Nergalle shouts! Sonja shouts! The hobgoblin shouts! The orc shouts! The orc shouts! Psyche shouts! The goblin shouts! The goblin misses you. Psyche hits you with a glowing dagger. You blink. Found 17 gold pieces. Damage: -1%(-3hp) hp: 99%(166hp) Use which ability? (? or * to list) Your stone giant goes berserk! You feel somewhat more hungry. Sonja shouts! The orc shouts! Nergalle casts a spell at you. Orcish apparitions take form around you. Sonja shouts! The orc shouts! Your stone giant hits the spectral orc warrior! The spectral orc warrior is destroyed! Sonja unwields an uncursed blowgun. Sonja wields an uncursed short sword of distortion. Its appearance distorts for a moment. Sonja hits you but does no damage. Your surroundings suddenly seem different. Found 18 gold pieces. Found a stone staircase leading down and a stone staircase leading up. 8 orcs and an orc wizard come into view. An orc and an orc wizard come into view. The helpless orc wizard fails to defend itself. You spit the orc wizard like a pig!!!! You kill the orc wizard! Trog appreciates your killing of a magic user. The orc shouts! The orc shouts! The orc misses you. Found 13 gold pieces. Things that are here: an orcish dagger; an orcish robe You catch the helpless orc completely off-guard! You puncture the orc! You kill the orc! The orc shouts! The orc shouts! The orc completely misses you. You beat the orc like a drum!!! You kill the orc! The orc wizard shouts! You impale the orc!! You kill the orc! You hear a shout! The orc wizard casts a spell at you. The puff of flame misses you. You puncture the orc! You kill the orc! The orc shouts! You hear a shout! You catch the helpless orc completely off-guard! You pound the orc like an anvil!!! You kill the orc! The orc shouts! The orc wizard gestures at you while chanting. You resist with almost no effort. The orc closely misses you. You hear a shout! You see here 3 gold pieces. You hit the orc wizard. The orc wizard is poisoned. The orc wizard is moderately wounded. The orc closely misses you. The orc wizard unwields an uncursed orcish dagger. The orc wizard drops an uncursed orcish dagger. The orc wizard picks up an orcish short sword. The orc wizard wields an orcish short sword. The orc completely misses you. You pound the orc wizard like an anvil!!! You kill the orc wizard! Trog appreciates your killing of a magic user. You catch the helpless orc completely off-guard! You puncture the orc! The orc is almost dead. The orc completely misses you. The orc misses you. You hear a shout! You catch the helpless orc completely off-guard! You pound the orc like an anvil!!!! You kill the orc! The orc completely misses you. You miss the orc. You strike the helpless orc from behind! You beat the orc like a drum!!! You kill the orc! The orc completely misses you. You hear a shout! You closely miss the orc. You hear a shout! The orc closely misses you. You sock the orc! You kill the orc! Use which ability? (? or * to list) Okay, then. Saving game... please wait. #...... ##...... . ...... ..###..#.# ..<...#..## ......f....# ..........# ### ..........##.$## .......).))...## #.#...#.)@)....# # ##.#......#.## ###...#...## ##.#.....# ##..$..## #.#### ## There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Rupert (Lair:3) 5 hydras Urug (D:12) 3 centaur warriors A catoblepas (Lair:5) 7 unseen horrors 3 ice statues (IceCv) 6 hill giants Pikel (D:5) 2 griffons 4 cyclopes Maurice (D:13) 18 spiny frogs An item mimic (Lair:4) A queen ant (Lair:5) 3 black mambas A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:14) 3 trolls 10 komodo dragons 2 hydra zombies 6 fire drakes 4 giant leeches (Lair:8) 4 two-headed ogres 7 blink frogs An ice dragon zombie (D:14) A formicid (shapeshifter) (D:14) A grizzly bear (Lair:6) 7 basilisks A griffon skeleton (D:15) A trapdoor spider (D:12) 2 wyverns 4 sharks (Lair:8) 38 reindeers 12 slime creatures 2 ugly things (D:15) 2 elephant slugs (Lair:8) 2 wraiths (D:12) 2 shadows 3 hungry ghosts 12 wolves A merfolk (shapeshifter) (D:14) A hill giant skeleton (D:9) A merfolk (D:7) 11 vampire mosquitoes 14 hippogriffs 7 soldier ants (Lair:5) 6 manticores 6 hell hounds (D:15) 2 mottled dragons 2 slaves 7 necrophages 7 porcupines 3 giant goldfish A sky beast (D:6) A naga (Lair:6) 7 ogres 14 ice beasts 7 orc warriors A yellow wasp (D:10) 11 centaurs A boring beetle (shapeshifter) (D:8) 10 crocodiles Satan Claus (D:7) 3 big kobolds 3 wargs (D:11) 8 water moccasins 5 giant slugs 8 agate snails 33 giant frogs A cyclops zombie (D:13) A wyvern zombie (D:8) 2 cyclops skeletons 4 jellyfish A hippogriff zombie (D:12) 9 killer bees 13 wights A troll zombie (D:12) 4 electric eels 12 hounds 4 giant frog zombies 11 crimson imps 5 jellies A centaur zombie (D:12) 4 goliath beetles 12 orc priests 4 big fish 4 human zombies (D:12) 7 iguanas A centaur skeleton (D:10) 4 orange rats (Lair:7) 15 orc wizards 3 scorpions A human skeleton (D:12) 33 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:8) 21 sheep A crocodile zombie (D:7) A big kobold skeleton (D:12) 6 mummies 23 green rats 20 adders 4 giant centipedes 3 worms 3 giant mites A scorpion zombie (D:6) A giant eyeball (D:9) 9 giant geckos 3 oozes 76 orcs 30 bats A bat zombie (D:5) 2 giant cockroaches 10 hobgoblins 46 jackals 27 kobolds 4 training dummies (D:5) 2 ball pythons 7 giant newts 3 giant spores 16 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) 6 quokkas 19 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 9 ballistomycetes 882 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) 2 hydras A black mamba (Lair:1) A spiny frog (Lair:8) A blink frog (Lair:8) A shark (Lair:8) A vampire mosquito (Lair:8) A phantom (D:12) A giant goldfish (Lair:8) 2 crocodiles A water moccasin (Lair:1) 2 giant frogs An agate snail (Lair:8) A jellyfish (Lair:8) A big fish (Lair:8) A spectral orc (Orc:2) 4 green rats (Lair:1) A rat (Lair:3) 23 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A hydra (D:15) A fire drake (D:15) 2 two-headed ogres A troll (Lair:5) A basilisk (D:15) 5 ogres An electric eel (Lair:6) 3 killer bees (D:14) A worker ant (D:14) A quokka (D:3) A bat (D:3) A giant spore (D:8) A ballistomycete (D:15) 5 fungi 4 plants 29 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 934 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | OgBe, the Ogre Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/1 325 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 32/32 MP: 2/2 543 | D:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 562 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 562 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 35/39 MP: 3/3 820 | D:2 | Acquired Trog's second power 1011 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1014 | D:2 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 1014 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1016 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1359 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails 1417 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 46/48 MP: 4/4 1460 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1489 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 1493 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 1497 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 1500 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails 1500 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/54 MP: 5/5 1505 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2585 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails 2626 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 6/6 2635 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 2693 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 2700 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2711 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails 2812 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 2822 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 2823 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 2823 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2877 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 2886 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/70 MP: 7/7 2894 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 2897 | D:4 | Noticed an orc warrior 2898 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 2906 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 2906 | D:4 | HP: 2/70 [orc warrior/orcish hand axe (5)] 2907 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 3274 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 3499 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3499 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 3684 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 3690 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails 3729 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 3746 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 4049 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/78 MP: 8/8 4091 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails 4181 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 4181 | D:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails 4191 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 39 dmg 4530 | D:5 | Reached skill level 14 in Maces & Flails 4609 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 60/84 MP: 9/9 4994 | D:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails 5191 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5209 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5397 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 5407 | D:6 | Received a gift from Trog 5595 | D:7 | Noticed Satan Claus 5762 | D:7 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 5766 | D:7 | Identified a +0 cloak of preservation (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 5862 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Maces & Flails 5872 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 5947 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 5949 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 5963 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 6235 | D:7 | Killed Satan Claus 6887 | D:8 | Found Kutuoniav's Antique Armour Shoppe. 6895 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 98/98 MP: 10/10 6908 | D:8 | Bought a glowing robe for 14 gold pieces 7067 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 7067 | D:8 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7082 | D:8 | Noticed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Killed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7633 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 7793 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 7805 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 7819 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 8086 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 8137 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 8429 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8546 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8553 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 8714 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8751 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 8751 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 8753 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 8851 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 8867 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 52/119 MP: 11/11 9223 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 9224 | D:10 | Got a warped great mace {god gift} 9225 | D:10 | Identified the +4,+9 great mace "Worm's Wrath" {crush, *Rage Dex+1 Int+4 Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 9288 | D:11 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 10094 | Lair:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 10104 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Maces & Flails 10602 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 10770 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Maces & Flails 10847 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg 10979 | Lair:2 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 10983 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11004 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Trog 11005 | Lair:2 | Got a jewelled giant spiked club {god gift} 11006 | Lair:2 | Identified the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 11390 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 120/128 MP: 12/12 11453 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 11460 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 11461 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 11463 | Lair:3 | Noticed Rupert 11486 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 31 dmg 11488 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11488 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 19 in Maces & Flails 11628 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 12221 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 12225 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 12234 | Lair:3 | Killed Rupert 12514 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Maces & Flails 13753 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 13766 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 13767 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14217 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 14229 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14302 | Lair:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 14774 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 140/140 MP: 13/13 15174 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 15235 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 21 in Maces & Flails 15552 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Trog 15608 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 17063 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 17307 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 17327 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 18089 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 18215 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 18589 | Lair:8 | Got a shimmering brass ring 18595 | Lair:8 | Got a faintly humming robe 18597 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/156 MP: 14/14 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the +2 robe of Anarchy {rPois rN+ Int+3 SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18693 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 18764 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19322 | D:11 | Reached skill level 22 in Maces & Flails 19398 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 19532 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19544 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19684 | D:11 | Received a gift from Trog 19694 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 19728 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19738 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19893 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Sonja 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Psyche 20120 | Orc:2 | Noticed Nergalle 20182 | D:12 | Noticed Urug 20189 | D:12 | Killed Urug 20861 | D:12 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 21064 | D:13 | Found a frozen archway. 21078 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 21111 | IceCv | ! 21536 | D:13 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 22050 | D:13 | Received a gift from Trog 22170 | D:13 | Noticed Maurice 22185 | D:13 | Killed Maurice 22193 | D:13 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You took it off Maurice on level 13 of the Dungeon) 22198 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 22445 | D:13 | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg 23008 | D:14 | Received a gift from Trog 23160 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 23434 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 24006 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 169/169 MP: 15/15 24148 | D:15 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 24835 | D:15 | Received a gift from Trog 24839 | D:15 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Mace | 126 | 90 | | | || 216 Flail | | 59 | 197 | 10 | || 266 Morningstar | | | 238 | 445 | || 683 Giant spiked club | | | | 218 | 932 || 1150 Great mace | | | | 77 | 162 || 239 Throw: Stone | 1 | 12 | 1 | | 3 || 17 Tomahawk | | 11 | 6 | | || 17 Dart | | 3 | 63 | 12 | 22 || 100 Large rock | | | | 40 | 29 || 69 Javelin | | | | 3 | 10 || 13 Invok: Berserk | | 4 | 3 | 4 | || 11 Trog's Hand | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 || 5 Burn Spellbooks | | | 1 | 2 | 1 || 4 Brothers in Arms | | | | 11 | 7 || 18 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 8 || 8 Use: Scroll | 4 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 12 || 49 Potion | | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 || 6 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | | 2 | 1 || 4 Invisible | | | | | 5 || 5

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 00:15 by dck

Oh, I assumed they were not adjacent to the stairs (or in a situation what would mean they'd get a swing at you when you walked down) since you weren't talking about reading tele before taking the stairs.
Yeah if they were you should've read tele upstairs and then hit<, swing at nothing once before doing it maybe. Whoops.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 00:20 by Sandman25

dck wrote:Oh, I assumed they were not adjacent to the stairs (or in a situation what would mean they'd get a swing at you when you walked down) since you weren't talking about reading tele before taking the stairs.
Yeah if they were you should've read tele upstairs and then hit<, swing at nothing once before doing it maybe. Whoops.

I didn't read teleportation, they hit me while I was descending under invisibility (I blinked because of distortioin), I called BiA and immediately got hit again and teleported instantly. No worries, I am still alive, so far so good

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I am really surprised a single Deep Troll killed Lamia without my help :shock:

Snake is really easy and that's a sure sign that I will die due to overconfidence soon

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 00:24 by dck

Yeah I know you got distort-tele, but reading tele upstairs and then walking down after waiting a bit less than a turn is fine for getting rid of stair menaces.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 00:27 by Sandman25

dck wrote:Yeah I know you got distort-tele, but reading tele upstairs and then walking down after waiting a bit less than a turn is fine for getting rid of stair menaces.

Yes, I forgot that invisibility does not prevent monsters from trying to hit you especially on stairs.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 03:37 by Sandman25

Teleportation trap in Snake 5 can be funny.

Code:: A naga warrior comes into view. It is wielding a club. The naga warrior shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a hand axe. The naga mage shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a halberd. The naga mage shouts! A naga warrior comes into view. It is wielding a whip. The naga warrior shouts! A naga warrior comes into view. It is wielding a club. The naga warrior shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a dire flail. The naga mage shouts! A naga comes into view. It is wielding a trident. The naga shouts! A greater naga comes into view. It is wielding a spear. The greater naga shouts! A greater naga comes into view. It is wielding a spear. The greater naga shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a flail. The naga mage shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a trident. The naga mage shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a trident. The naga mage shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a scimitar. The naga mage shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a mace. The naga mage shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a hand axe. The naga mage shouts! A naga mage comes into view. It is wielding a hand axe. The naga mage shouts! A naga comes into view. It is wielding a hand axe. The naga shouts! A naga comes into view. It is wielding a runed flail. The naga shouts! The naga hits you with a trident! The naga closely misses you. Found 2 scrolls of identify, 18 gold pieces and 30 stones.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 05:17 by Sandman25

Being "incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments" does not help to avoid Abyss

Edit. Wow, that was fast.

Code:: 46372 | Vaults:3 | Cast into the Abyss (vault warden) 46383 | Vaults:3 | Escaped the Abyss

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1626-g054e7ae (tiles) character file. OgBe the Slayer (Ogre Berserker) Turns: 46373, Time: 04:19:15 HP 168/231 AC 21 Str 29 XL: 19 Next: 56% MP 8/18 EV 24 Int 9 God: Trog [******] Gold 1854 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 0 memorised, 18 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} rCold + . . Clarity . u - +4 mottled dragon armour rNeg . . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois + rCorr . B - +2 wizard hat {Int+3} rElec + rRot . F - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Saprov + . . Stasis . d - amulet of faith l - ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} e - +5 ring of protection @: incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: unfitting armour, fast metabolism 1, saprovore 1, strong 1, tough skin 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility }: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine You are on level 1 of the Abyss. You worship Trog. Trog is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 42 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 1 time. You have also visited: Ice Cave, Volcano and Wizlab. You have collected 4508 gold pieces. You have spent 2654 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey (weapon) {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) It poisons the flesh of those it strikes. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you turn invisible. b - a +6,+8 anti-magic giant spiked club f - a +0 blowgun T - a +5,+9 great mace of holy wrath U - the +2,+4 giant club "Clulu" {crush, rC+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Vaults) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It protects you from cold. Missiles h - 25 poisoned needles w - a throwing net C - 5 poisoned javelins S - 6 curare-tipped needles V - a throwing net [frayed] Y - 7 large rocks (quivered) Armour u - a +4 mottled dragon armour (worn) B - a +2 wizard hat of intelligence (worn) F - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your evasion (+4). It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It makes you much less stealthy. Magical devices k - a wand of fire q - a wand of draining A - a wand of fire (4) D - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 3} J - a wand of hasting (9) M - a wand of lightning (6) W - a wand of cold (8) Comestibles c - 4 meat rations p - a pear I - a rotting chunk of fire giant flesh {@w1} Q - 4 bread rations Scrolls i - a scroll of remove curse Jewellery d - an amulet of faith (around neck) e - a +5 ring of protection (left hand) g - an uncursed ring of regeneration j - an uncursed ring of protection from fire l - the ring of Stazuch (right hand) {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of poison resistance] It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. o - an uncursed ring of teleportation x - an uncursed amulet of clarity z - an uncursed ring of sustenance E - an uncursed ring of protection from fire G - an uncursed amulet of warding K - an uncursed ring of positive energy P - an uncursed ring of ice Potions m - 3 potions of curing s - a potion of agility t - a potion of might v - a potion of invisibility H - 2 potions of speed L - 3 potions of heal wounds Miscellaneous r - a fan of gales N - a fan of gales O - a fan of gales Rods n - a +0 rod of demonology (14/14) {!a} (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) Skills: + Level 23.5 Fighting - Level 22.0 Maces & Flails - Level 6.6 Throwing - Level 7.1 Armour + Level 17.5 Dodging You have 18 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (16/16) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (5/5) Lair:6 Snake (5/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (3/5) D:14 Blade (0/1) Vaults:3 Depths (0/6) D:16 Crypt: Vaults:2-3 Forest: Vaults:2-3 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:8 [ D:16 ( Orc:4 [:(*[ Annotations: D:4 exclusion: downstairs D:6 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: upstairs Snake:3 exclusion: downstairs Snake:5 1 exclusion Vaults:3 exclusions: door and downstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have a fast metabolism. You can tolerate rotten meat. You have tough skin (AC +1). Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) Message History You smell decay. (slot I) Found a stone staircase leading down. You hammer the ogre like a gong!!! You kill the ogre! There is an open door here. Items here: %%% )))) The two-headed ogre corpse {@w1} is slowly consumed by flames. The ogre corpse {@w1} is consumed in a column of flame. The ogre corpse {@w1} is consumed in a column of flame. HP restored. There is an open door here. Magic restored. i - a scroll of remove curse Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) The +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} stops dripping with poison. n - a +0 rod of demonology (14/14) (weapon) Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) It begins to drip with poison! a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey (weapon) {venom, +Inv MR++} You open the door. There is an open door here. You now have 1854 gold pieces (gained 46). You open the door. There is an open door here. Found a plate armour. You open the door. There is an open door here. There is an open door here. A vault sentinel comes into view. It is wielding a long sword. The vault sentinel shouts! The vault sentinel gestures at you while chanting. You resist with almost no effort. A vault warden comes into view. It is wielding a glowing great mace. The vault warden shouts! The vault sentinel unwields an uncursed long sword. The vault sentinel wields a crossbow. The vault sentinel shoots a bolt. The bolt hits you! A vault guard comes into view. It is wielding an elven long sword. You see here a bolt. The vault warden activates a sealing rune. A door slams shut! A frost giant comes into view. It is wielding a battleaxe of freezing. The frost giant shouts! The vault sentinel blows on a signal horn! The frost giant points at you and mumbles some strange words. The bolt of cold hits you! You resist. Damage: -3%(-7hp) hp: 97%(224hp) The frost giant hits you with a battleaxe of freezing! The frost giant freezes you. Damage: -13%(-30hp) hp: 85%(195hp) The +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} stops dripping with poison. You feel magic leave you. b - a +6,+8 anti-magic giant spiked club (weapon) You skewer the frost giant like a kebab!!! The frost giant's magic leaks into the air. The frost giant is moderately wounded. The frost giant completely misses you. You stick the frost giant like a pincushion!!! The frost giant's magic leaks into the air. The frost giant is almost dead. You sock the frost giant! The frost giant's magic leaks into the air. The frost giant is almost dead. The frost giant closely misses you. You hit the frost giant but do no damage. The frost giant is almost dead. You impale the frost giant!! You kill the frost giant! Trog appreciates your killing of a magic user. The vault sentinel shoots a bolt. The bolt hits you! Things that are here: a bolt; a battleaxe of freezing; a frost giant corpse {@w1} Damage: -4%(-9hp) hp: 82%(188hp) There is an open door here. You feel magic returning to you. It begins to drip with poison! a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey (weapon) {venom, +Inv MR++} You perforate the vault sentinel like a sieve!!! The vault sentinel is poisoned. The vault sentinel is almost dead. The vault sentinel blows on a signal horn! You pound the vault sentinel like an anvil!!! You kill the vault sentinel! Trog appreciates your killing of a magic user. You barely miss the vault warden. The vault warden picks up a crossbow. You beat the vault warden like a drum!!! The vault warden is poisoned. The vault warden is heavily wounded. You puncture the vault warden! The vault warden is heavily wounded. You impale the vault warden!! The vault warden looks even sicker. The vault warden is almost dead. The vault warden hits you with a glowing great mace! You are cast into the Abyss! To return, you must find a gate leading back. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. Found a ring mail and a scroll of magic mapping. Found a gateway leading deeper into the Abyss. Damage: -11%(-26hp) hp: 73%(168hp) Unknown command. Saving game... please wait. # ..##. ...## . ... .>...##'#####.... ....'...@....# ...##......[..... #........#.. #........# ..........# ...........# ..........? ....#..#. . . There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Rupert (Lair:3) Agnes (Swamp:5) Frances (Snake:2) Kirke (Snake:3) A fire giant (Vaults:3) Donald (Swamp:5) Wiglaf (Snake:5) 3 vault wardens 3 frost giants Louise (Swamp:5) An orc warlord (Orc:4) Jorgrun (Swamp:4) A stone giant (Vaults:2) 8 greater nagas 9 purple draconians (WizLab) 3 ironheart preservers 2 yaktaur captains (Vaults:1) 4 fire dragons 18 hydras 4 anacondas A great orb of eyes (Vaults:2) A deep troll shaman (Vaults:1) 8 statues (WizLab) 11 alligators A rakshasa (D:16) A deep troll earth mage (Vaults:2) 4 ogre magi A very ugly thing (Swamp:1) 14 naga warriors Urug (D:12) An orc high priest (Orc:4) Nergalle (Orc:2) 10 centaur warriors 2 wizards (Vaults:2) 3 deep elf knights An iron troll (Vaults:2) A catoblepas (Lair:5) A giant orange brain (Vaults:3) 9 unseen horrors 6 swamp dragons 3 ice statues (IceCv) 6 deep trolls A flayed ghost (Vaults:2) 10 hill giants Pikel (D:5) 5 harpies 2 griffons 3 ironbrand convokers (Vaults:2) A wolf spider (Vaults:2) 3 giant amoebae 2 orc sorcerers (Orc:4) 13 orc knights An octopode (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3) 6 cyclopes A spiny worm (Vaults:1) Maurice (D:13) 4 vault sentinels 2 guardian serpents (Snake:4) 29 spiny frogs 2 item mimics A queen ant (Lair:5) 30 black mambas Psyche (Orc:2) 33 naga magi 10 yaktaurs A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:14) 3 trolls A deep elf priest (Vaults:1) A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 10 komodo dragons 2 hydra zombies 10 fire drakes A komodo dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 7 giant leeches 7 two-headed ogres 4 fire vortices (Volcano) A boulder beetle (Vaults:3) 7 blink frogs 9 bog bodies An ice dragon zombie (D:14) A formicid (shapeshifter) (D:14) A grizzly bear (Lair:6) 8 basilisks A griffon skeleton (D:15) A trapdoor spider (D:12) 2 wyverns 4 sharks (Lair:8) 42 reindeers 38 slime creatures 43 ugly things A chaos spawn (Snake:2) 2 elephant slugs (Lair:8) A ynoxinul (Orc:4) A steam dragon (Swamp:5) 2 wraiths (D:12) 2 toenail golems (Volcano) 2 shadows 16 deep elf magi (WizLab) 3 hungry ghosts A golden eye (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 12 wolves 2 fire elementals (Volcano) A merfolk (shapeshifter) (D:14) A hill giant skeleton (D:9) 2 molten gargoyles (Volcano) A merfolk (D:7) 29 vampire mosquitoes 14 hippogriffs 7 soldier ants (Lair:5) 7 manticores A deep elf fighter (Vaults:1) 6 hell hounds (D:15) 3 mottled dragons 55 swamp worms 15 swamp drakes 2 slaves 7 necrophages 7 porcupines 6 giant goldfish A sky beast (D:6) 44 nagas 27 ogres 5 tengu (Swamp:3) 14 ice beasts A kobold demonologist (Vaults:1) 26 orc warriors A yellow wasp (D:10) 17 centaurs A boring beetle (shapeshifter) (D:8) 14 crocodiles Satan Claus (D:7) 3 big kobolds 6 wargs 22 water moccasins 7 giant slugs 9 agate snails A deep troll simulacrum (Vaults:2) 35 giant frogs A cyclops zombie (D:13) A wyvern zombie (D:8) 33 insubstantial wisps 2 cyclops skeletons 8 jellyfish A glowing shapeshifter simulacrum (Vaults:1) A hippogriff zombie (D:12) 9 killer bees 13 wights A troll zombie (D:12) 9 electric eels 3 lava fish (Swamp:5) 12 hounds 4 giant frog zombies 11 crimson imps 5 jellies A centaur zombie (D:12) 6 goliath beetles 22 orc priests 11 big fish 4 human zombies (D:12) 7 iguanas A centaur skeleton (D:10) 4 orange rats (Lair:7) 24 orc wizards 3 scorpions A human skeleton (D:12) 33 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:8) 30 sheep A brain worm zombie (D:16) A crocodile zombie (D:7) A big kobold skeleton (D:12) 6 mummies 23 green rats 26 adders 5 giant centipedes 3 worms 3 giant mites A scorpion zombie (D:6) A giant eyeball (D:9) 9 giant geckos 3 oozes 154 orcs 30 bats A bat zombie (D:5) 2 giant cockroaches 15 hobgoblins 46 jackals 27 kobolds 4 training dummies (D:5) 4 ball pythons 7 giant newts 3 giant spores 17 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) 6 quokkas 19 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 9 ballistomycetes 1655 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Lamia (Snake:4) Roxanne (Swamp:4) A fire dragon (Swamp:5) 2 hydras 6 harpies An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:2) An orc knight (Vaults:2) A red wasp (Vaults:1) An orc sorcerer (Orc:4) A black mamba (Lair:1) A spiny frog (Lair:8) A naga mage (Snake:5) Sonja (Orc:2) A slime creature (Vaults:2) 2 ugly things (Vaults:2) A blink frog (Lair:8) A shark (Lair:8) A chaos spawn (Snake:2) 2 vampire mosquitoes A phantom (D:12) A naga (Snake:5) 6 orc warriors A giant goldfish (Lair:8) 2 crocodiles A water moccasin (Lair:1) Blork the orc (Orc:4) 2 giant frogs An agate snail (Lair:8) A jellyfish (Lair:8) 2 orc priests (Orc:4) 2 orc wizards (Orc:4) A big fish (Lair:8) 2 spectral orcs (Orc:2) 4 green rats (Lair:1) An orc zombie (Orc:4) 2 orcs A rat (Lair:3) 59 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A stone giant (Orc:2) A statue (WizLab) 3 hydras An alligator (Swamp:5) A naga warrior (Snake:5) A swamp dragon (Swamp:5) A deep troll (Swamp:5) A hill giant (Vaults:2) 3 lindwurms A naga mage (Snake:4) A fire drake (D:15) 4 two-headed ogres A troll (Lair:5) A giant leech (Swamp:5) 2 fire vortices (Volcano) A basilisk (D:15) A hog (Snake:3) 2 humans (Snake:3) A deep elf mage (WizLab) 5 swamp drakes (Swamp:5) 6 ogres An electric eel (Lair:6) 3 killer bees (D:14) A worker ant (D:14) An adder (Snake:3) An orc (Orc:2) A quokka (D:3) A bat (D:3) A giant spore (D:8) A ballistomycete (D:15) 6 fungi 4 plants 60 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1774 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | OgBe, the Ogre Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/1 325 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 32/32 MP: 2/2 543 | D:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 562 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 562 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 35/39 MP: 3/3 820 | D:2 | Acquired Trog's second power 1011 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1014 | D:2 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 1014 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1016 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1359 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails 1417 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 46/48 MP: 4/4 1460 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1489 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 1493 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 1497 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 1500 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails 1500 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/54 MP: 5/5 1505 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2585 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails 2626 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 6/6 2635 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 2693 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 2700 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2711 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails 2812 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 2822 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 2823 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 2823 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2877 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 2886 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/70 MP: 7/7 2894 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 2897 | D:4 | Noticed an orc warrior 2898 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 2906 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 2906 | D:4 | HP: 2/70 [orc warrior/orcish hand axe (5)] 2907 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 3274 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 3499 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3499 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 3684 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 3690 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails 3729 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 3746 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 4049 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/78 MP: 8/8 4091 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails 4181 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 4181 | D:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails 4191 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 39 dmg 4530 | D:5 | Reached skill level 14 in Maces & Flails 4609 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 60/84 MP: 9/9 4994 | D:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails 5191 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5209 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5397 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 5407 | D:6 | Received a gift from Trog 5595 | D:7 | Noticed Satan Claus 5762 | D:7 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 5766 | D:7 | Identified a +0 cloak of preservation (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 5862 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Maces & Flails 5872 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 5947 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 5949 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 5963 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 6235 | D:7 | Killed Satan Claus 6887 | D:8 | Found Kutuoniav's Antique Armour Shoppe. 6895 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 98/98 MP: 10/10 6908 | D:8 | Bought a glowing robe for 14 gold pieces 7067 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 7067 | D:8 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7082 | D:8 | Noticed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Killed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7633 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 7793 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 7805 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 7819 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 8086 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 8137 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 8429 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8546 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8553 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 8714 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8751 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 8751 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 8753 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 8851 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 8867 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 52/119 MP: 11/11 9223 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 9224 | D:10 | Got a warped great mace {god gift} 9225 | D:10 | Identified the +4,+9 great mace "Worm's Wrath" {crush, *Rage Dex+1 Int+4 Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 9288 | D:11 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 10094 | Lair:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 10104 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Maces & Flails 10602 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 10770 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Maces & Flails 10847 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg 10979 | Lair:2 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 10983 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11004 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Trog 11005 | Lair:2 | Got a jewelled giant spiked club {god gift} 11006 | Lair:2 | Identified the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 11390 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 120/128 MP: 12/12 11453 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 11460 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 11461 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 11463 | Lair:3 | Noticed Rupert 11486 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 31 dmg 11488 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11488 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 19 in Maces & Flails 11628 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 12221 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 12225 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 12234 | Lair:3 | Killed Rupert 12514 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Maces & Flails 13753 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 13766 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 13767 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14217 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 14229 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14302 | Lair:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 14774 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 140/140 MP: 13/13 15174 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 15235 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 21 in Maces & Flails 15552 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Trog 15608 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 17063 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 17307 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 17327 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 18089 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 18215 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 18589 | Lair:8 | Got a shimmering brass ring 18595 | Lair:8 | Got a faintly humming robe 18597 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/156 MP: 14/14 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the +2 robe of Anarchy {rPois rN+ Int+3 SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18693 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 18764 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19322 | D:11 | Reached skill level 22 in Maces & Flails 19398 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 19532 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19544 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19684 | D:11 | Received a gift from Trog 19694 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 19728 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19738 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19893 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Sonja 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Psyche 20120 | Orc:2 | Noticed Nergalle 20182 | D:12 | Noticed Urug 20189 | D:12 | Killed Urug 20861 | D:12 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 21064 | D:13 | Found a frozen archway. 21078 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 21111 | IceCv | ! 21536 | D:13 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 22050 | D:13 | Received a gift from Trog 22170 | D:13 | Noticed Maurice 22185 | D:13 | Killed Maurice 22193 | D:13 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You took it off Maurice on level 13 of the Dungeon) 22198 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 22445 | D:13 | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg 23008 | D:14 | Received a gift from Trog 23160 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 23434 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 24006 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 169/169 MP: 15/15 24148 | D:15 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 24835 | D:15 | Received a gift from Trog 24839 | D:15 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 25278 | Orc:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25705 | Orc:1 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25890 | Orc:2 | Killed Psyche 25903 | Orc:2 | Killed Sonja 25914 | Orc:2 | Killed Nergalle 25932 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Trog 26094 | Orc:3 | You fall through a shaft! 26094 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 26122 | Orc:4 | Found Umpaoba's Antique Armour Shop. 26153 | Orc:4 | Bought a runed wizard hat for 80 gold pieces 26196 | Orc:4 | Found a dark tunnel. 26204 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 26684 | Orc:4 | Bought a shimmering ice dragon armour for 2560 gold pieces 26685 | Orc:4 | Identified the cursed -3 ice dragon armour of Liqisej {+Blink rF- rC++} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) 26710 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 26730 | Orc:4 | Noticed Blork the orc 27017 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 82 dmg 27168 | Orc:4 | Killed Blork the orc 27178 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 27204 | Orc:4 | Found Thiy's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 27208 | Orc:4 | Found Pnuowur's General Store. 27249 | Orc:4 | Found Smemam's Book Shoppe. 27268 | Orc:4 | Found Cajiuc's Antique Armour Shoppe. 28009 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 28147 | Snake:1 | Got a creamy pearl robe 28280 | Lair:2 | Identified the cursed -1 robe "Moah" {Stlth+} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit) 28651 | Snake:1 | Received a gift from Trog 29407 | Snake:2 | Noticed Frances 29428 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 29434 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 29434 | Snake:2 | Killed Frances 30305 | Snake:3 | Noticed Kirke 30313 | Snake:3 | Killed Kirke 30318 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 81 dmg 30941 | Snake:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 31278 | Snake:4 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 101/180 MP: 16/16 31551 | Snake:4 | Noticed Lamia 31562 | Snake:4 | Killed Lamia 31774 | Snake:4 | Received a gift from Trog 32079 | Snake:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Snake Pit 32092 | Snake:5 | Noticed Wiglaf 32102 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 36 dmg 32102 | Snake:5 | Killed Wiglaf 32704 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 33202 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 34012 | Snake:5 | Received a gift from Trog 34015 | Snake:5 | Got a fine giant club {god gift} 34017 | Snake:5 | Identified the +4,+2 giant club of Trog's Brutal Revenge {elec, *Tele Stlth--} (Trog gifted it to you on level 5 of the Snake Pit) 34182 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 35 dmg 34640 | Snake:5 | Got a serpentine rune of Zot 35093 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Trog 35203 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 35709 | Swamp:1 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 183/198 MP: 17/17 36250 | Swamp:2 | Received a gift from Trog 37236 | Swamp:3 | Received a gift from Trog 37767 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Jorgrun 37779 | Swamp:4 | Killed Jorgrun 38191 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Roxanne 38202 | Swamp:4 | Killed Roxanne 38309 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp 38319 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Donald 38339 | Swamp:5 | Killed Donald 38617 | Swamp:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 38652 | Swamp:5 | Received a gift from Trog 38694 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Louise 38719 | Swamp:5 | Killed Louise 38792 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Agnes 38798 | Swamp:5 | Huge Dmg: 30 dmg 38800 | Swamp:5 | Killed Agnes 39126 | Swamp:5 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 39920 | D:16 | Entered Level 16 of the Dungeon 40060 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 65 dmg 40068 | D:16 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 147/213 MP: 18/18 40081 | D:16 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 40143 | D:16 | Found Weshrast's Weapon Boutique. 40225 | D:16 | Got a brightly glowing bronze ring 40226 | D:16 | Identified the ring "Toiniq" {Ice Dex-3 Int+3} (You found it on level 16 of the Dungeon) 40247 | D:16 | Found a magical portal. 40256 | WizLab | Entered a wizard's laboratory 40328 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 106 dmg 40542 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 70 dmg 40556 | WizLab | Received a gift from Trog 40711 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 47 dmg 40927 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 59 dmg 40932 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 41509 | WizLab | Received a gift from Trog 42189 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 42714 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 43571 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Trog 44301 | Vaults:2 | Huge Dmg: 52 dmg 44352 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 44687 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 44694 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 186/228 MP: 9/18 44696 | Vaults:2 | Got a crude giant club {god gift} 44697 | Vaults:2 | Identified the +2,+4 giant club "Clulu" {crush, rC+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Vaults) 44937 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 45132 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 23 in Fighting 45836 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 46139 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades. 46295 | Vaults:3 | Identified a +0 rod of demonology (14/14) (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) 46372 | Vaults:3 | Cast into the Abyss (vault warden) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Mace | 126 | 90 | | | | | || 216 Flail | | 59 | 197 | 10 | | | || 266 Morningstar | | | 238 | 445 | | | || 683 Giant spiked club | | | | 218 | 1293 | 1332 | 289 || 3132 Great mace | | | | 77 | 162 | | || 239 Giant club | | | | | 27 | 198 | || 225 Throw: Stone | 1 | 12 | 1 | | 3 | | || 17 Tomahawk | | 11 | 6 | | | | || 17 Dart | | 3 | 63 | 12 | 22 | | || 100 Large rock | | | | 40 | 42 | 29 | 40 || 151 Javelin | | | | 3 | 10 | | || 13 Throwing net | | | | | | | 2 || 2 Invok: Berserk | | 4 | 3 | 4 | 2 | | || 13 Trog's Hand | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | || 9 Burn Spellbooks | | | 1 | 2 | 2 | 5 | || 10 Brothers in Arms | | | | 11 | 13 | 7 | 3 || 34 Abil: Evoke Invisibilit | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 9 | 4 | 1 || 14 Use: Scroll | 4 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 22 | 25 | || 84 Potion | | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | || 8 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | | 2 | 1 | | || 4 Invisible | | | | | 7 | | || 7 Distracted | | | | | | 2 | || 2

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 15:44 by pickled_heretic

Now that I think about it I think I generally prefer FDA more often and for 15 runes I would probably use GDA.

With the defenses you have though I think you would have to try to get your ogre killed. 20+ in both EV / AC is pretty good combined with their massive HP.

I have ascended with a variety of ogres but actually never with a nonspellcasting ogre. Have to give it a shot after I finish my OgNe.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 15:55 by Sandman25

Current defense are even better due to +4 AC,-1 EV from beneficial mutation. I should learn stop trying Trog's gifts when I have +9 holy great mace and +8 antimagic GSC, that deteriorating body from a gift was not mandatory to get

I have GDH and several EA scrolls but I think losing all that EV is a bad idea.

Edit. Found amulet of the Air in Vaults 5. EV 32 and permanent RMsl despite Trog? Feels like a berserked Sp with Robust 3

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1626-g054e7ae (tiles) character file. OgBe the Slayer (Ogre Berserker) Turns: 65155, Time: 06:35:06 HP 214/292 AC 28 Str 31 XL: 24 Next: 37% MP 14/36 EV 32 Int 9 God: Trog [******] Gold 2010 SH 0 Dex 16 Spells: 0 memorised, 23 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} rCold + . . Clarity . u - +6 mottled dragon armour rNeg . . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois + rCorr . B - +2 wizard hat {Int+3} rElec + rRot . F - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Saprov + . . Stasis . A - amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} l - ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} e - +5 ring of protection @: repel missiles, uncannily resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: unfitting armour, rough black scales 1, deterioration 1, fast metabolism 1, saprovore 1, strong 1, tough skin 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight }: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine You are on level 4 of the Vaults. You worship Trog. Trog is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 53 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 1 time. You have also visited: Ice Cave, Volcano and Wizlab. You have collected 6396 gold pieces. You have spent 4386 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey (weapon) {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) It poisons the flesh of those it strikes. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you turn invisible. b - a +7,+8 anti-magic giant spiked club f - a +0 blowgun s - the +4,+6 giant club "Uzxyatup" {flame, +Fly MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Vaults) It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you fly. T - a +6,+9 great mace of holy wrath Missiles S - 6 curare-tipped needles Y - 7 large rocks (quivered) Armour u - a +6 mottled dragon armour (worn) B - a +2 wizard hat of intelligence (worn) F - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your evasion (+4). It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It makes you much less stealthy. Magical devices q - a wand of draining t - a wand of heal wounds (9) I - a wand of fire (3) J - a wand of hasting (9) M - a wand of fireball U - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} W - a wand of cold (3) Comestibles c - 3 meat rations Q - 7 bread rations Scrolls h - 2 scrolls of fear i - 3 scrolls of teleportation k - a scroll of fog p - a scroll of remove curse L - a scroll of blinking Jewellery e - a +5 ring of protection (left hand) g - an uncursed ring of regeneration j - an uncursed ring of protection from fire l - the ring of Stazuch (right hand) {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of poison resistance] It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. v - the ring "Mashifos" {+cTele +Inv Int+2 Stlth-} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths) [ring of teleport control] It affects your intelligence (+2). It lets you turn invisible. It makes you much less stealthy. x - an uncursed amulet of clarity z - an uncursed ring of sustenance A - the amulet of the Air (around neck) {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults) [amulet of inaccuracy] It affects your evasion (+5). It insulates you from electricity. It lets you fly. It protects you from missiles. D - an uncursed amulet of conservation E - an uncursed ring of protection from fire G - an uncursed amulet of warding K - an uncursed ring of positive energy P - a ring of sustain abilities R - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities V - an uncursed ring of protection from cold X - a +0,+7 ring of slaying Potions m - 6 potions of curing w - 2 potions of might y - 5 potions of heal wounds H - a potion of speed Miscellaneous d - a lamp of fire o - a phial of floods r - a fan of gales C - a stone of tremors N - a fan of gales O - a fan of gales Z - a phial of floods Rods n - a +0 rod of demonology (14/14) {!a} (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) Skills: + Level 26.5 Fighting + Level 24.8 Maces & Flails - Level 6.6 Throwing + Level 11.7 Armour + Level 19.9 Dodging - Level 12.3 Evocations You have 23 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (16/16) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (3/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (5/5) Lair:6 Snake (5/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (5/5) D:14 Blade (0/1) Vaults:3 Depths (6/6) D:16 Crypt: Vaults:2-3 Zot: Depths:6 Forest: Vaults:2-3 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:8 [ D:16 ( Orc:4 [:(*[ Elf:1 * Elf:3 * Vaults:4 /*% Depths:1 } Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Depths:6 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:3 Depths:4 Ziggurat: Depths:2 Annotations: D:4 exclusion: downstairs D:6 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: upstairs Snake:3 exclusion: downstairs Snake:5 1 exclusion Vaults:3 exclusions: door and downstairs Depths:3 exclusion: orange crystal statue Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have a fast metabolism. You can tolerate rotten meat. You have tough skin (AC +1). You are partially covered in rough black scales (AC +4, Dex -1). Your body is slowly deteriorating. Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) Message History The yaktaur captain unwields an uncursed crossbow. The yaktaur captain hits you but does no damage. The tengu reaver falters for a moment. You closely miss the tengu reaver. The tengu reaver is almost dead. The tengu reaver hits you but does no damage. The tengu reaver pecks you but does no damage. The tengu reaver closely misses you. You hit the tengu reaver. The tengu reaver's magic leaks into the air. The tengu reaver is almost dead. The yaktaur captain misses you. You barely miss the tengu reaver. The tengu reaver is almost dead. The yaktaur captain completely misses you. The tengu reaver completely misses you. The tengu reaver barely misses you. The tengu reaver barely misses you. You puncture the tengu reaver! You kill the tengu reaver! Trog appreciates your killing of a magic user. The battlesphere dissipates. The storm dragon breathes lightning at you. The bolt of lightning misses you. The yaktaur captain hits you. You impale the yaktaur captain!! The yaktaur captain is moderately wounded. You stick the yaktaur captain like a pincushion!!! You kill the yaktaur captain! The storm dragon bites you but does no damage. The storm dragon barely misses you. You perforate the stone giant like a sieve!!! The stone giant is severely wounded. The storm dragon bites you! The storm dragon misses you. The storm dragon barely misses you. Damage: -3%(-7hp) hp: 81%(236hp) You beat the stone giant like a drum!!! You kill the stone giant! You bludgeon the storm dragon!! The storm dragon is moderately wounded. The storm dragon bites you but does no damage. The storm dragon claws you. The storm dragon completely misses you. Damage: -1%(-3hp) hp: 80%(233hp) You stick the storm dragon like a pincushion!!! The storm dragon is severely wounded. The storm dragon breathes lightning at you. The bolt of lightning hits you! You resist. The trapdoor spider misses you. A trapdoor spider comes into view. Damage: -2%(-8hp) hp: 78%(225hp) You impale the storm dragon!! The storm dragon is severely wounded. The storm dragon breathes lightning at you. The bolt of lightning misses you. The trapdoor spider barely misses you. You thump the storm dragon! The storm dragon is almost dead. The storm dragon closely misses you. The storm dragon tramples you but does no damage. The trapdoor spider completely misses you. You thump the storm dragon! The storm dragon is almost dead. The storm dragon completely misses you. The storm dragon misses you. The storm dragon closely misses you. The trapdoor spider closely misses you. You sock the storm dragon! You kill the storm dragon! The trapdoor spider misses you. You flatten the trapdoor spider like a pancake!!! You kill the trapdoor spider! The trapdoor spider's shape twists and changes as it dies. The frost giant corpse {@w1} is slowly consumed by flames. The tengu corpse {@w1} is consumed in a column of flame. The stone giant corpse {@w1} is consumed in a column of flame. The human corpse {@w1} is consumed in a column of flame. You see here a bolt. You see here a knobbly glowing staff. Found a bread ration. You see here the amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl}. Drop what? (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop a wand of fire (3). A - the amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} You remove your amulet of warding. A - the amulet of the Air (around neck) {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} You feel magic returning to you. It begins to drip with poison! a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey (weapon) {venom, +Inv MR++} I - a wand of fire (3) A stone giant comes into view. The stone giant shouts! The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock is repelled. You see here a large rock. The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock crashes through you! Damage: -8%(-24hp) hp: 73%(211hp) The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock misses you. You feel less vulnerable to hostile enchantments. The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock misses you. A tengu reaver comes into view. It is wielding a battleaxe. There is a stone staircase leading up here. The tengu reaver shouts! The tengu reaver casts a spell. The tengu reaver conjures a globe of magical energy! The stone giant throws a large rock. The large rock misses you. You climb upwards. The battlesphere dissipates. There is a stone staircase leading down here. 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(D:5) 13 harpies 2 griffons 6 necromancers 12 deep elf conjurers 11 ironbrand convokers 3 wolf spiders 2 red wasps 4 giant amoebae A moth of wrath (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 5 orc sorcerers 19 orc knights An octopode (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3) A shining eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A draconian (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) 7 cyclopes A guardian serpent (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) A spiny worm (Vaults:1) A phantasmal warrior (Vaults:5) Maurice (D:13) A stone giant skeleton (Vaults:4) 2 black mambas (shapeshifter) 8 deep elf summoners 17 vault sentinels 2 guardian serpents (Snake:4) 29 spiny frogs 3 item mimics A queen ant (Lair:5) 30 black mambas A small abomination (Elf:3) Psyche (Orc:2) 2 hellwings (Depths:5) 40 naga magi 38 yaktaurs A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:14) 4 trolls 8 deep elf priests A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 10 komodo dragons 2 hydra zombies 10 fire drakes A komodo dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) A red devil (Depths:4) 7 giant leeches 18 two-headed ogres 4 fire vortices (Volcano) 2 boulder beetles A hydra skeleton (D:11) A snapping turtle (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A brown ooze (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) 7 blink frogs A basilisk (shapeshifter) (Depths:3) A slime creature (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 9 bog bodies An ice dragon zombie (D:14) 2 air elementals (Depths:2) A formicid (shapeshifter) (D:14) A grizzly bear (Lair:6) 8 basilisks A grizzly bear (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A trapdoor spider (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) A griffon skeleton (D:15) A trapdoor spider (D:12) 2 wyverns 4 sharks (Lair:8) 2 stone giant simulacra (Vaults:4) 42 reindeers 42 slime creatures A redback (Vaults:4) 81 ugly things 8 water elementals (Depths:4) A chaos spawn (Snake:2) 2 elephant slugs (Lair:8) A ynoxinul (Orc:4) A steam dragon (Swamp:5) 2 wraiths (D:12) 2 toenail golems (Volcano) 2 shadows 35 deep elf magi 3 hungry ghosts A golden eye (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 12 wolves 3 fire elementals 3 merfolk (shapeshifter) A hill giant skeleton (D:9) 2 molten gargoyles (Volcano) 4 merfolk 32 vampire mosquitoes 14 hippogriffs 7 soldier ants (Lair:5) 7 manticores 18 deep elf fighters 12 hell hounds A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 3 mottled dragons 55 swamp worms 15 swamp drakes 2 slaves 7 necrophages 2 freezing wraiths (Vaults:4) 7 porcupines 6 giant goldfish A sky beast (D:6) 53 nagas 53 ogres 12 tengu 16 ice beasts A kobold demonologist (Vaults:1) 32 orc warriors A yellow wasp (D:10) 30 centaurs 2 boring beetles (shapeshifter) 14 crocodiles Satan Claus (D:7) 3 big kobolds 6 wargs A lava worm (Depths:5) A rotting devil (Elf:3) 22 water moccasins 7 giant slugs 10 agate snails A deep troll simulacrum (Vaults:2) 35 giant frogs A cyclops zombie (D:13) A wyvern zombie (D:8) 33 insubstantial wisps 2 cyclops skeletons 8 jellyfish A glowing shapeshifter simulacrum (Vaults:1) A hippogriff zombie (D:12) 9 killer bees 13 wights A troll zombie (D:12) 9 electric eels 8 lava fish 12 hounds 4 giant frog zombies 5 lava snakes (Depths:5) 13 crimson imps 5 jellies A centaur zombie (D:12) 6 goliath beetles 24 orc priests 11 big fish 4 human zombies (D:12) 7 iguanas A centaur skeleton (D:10) 4 orange rats (Lair:7) 25 orc wizards 3 scorpions 2 human skeletons 33 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:8) 30 sheep A brain worm zombie (D:16) A crocodile zombie (D:7) A big kobold skeleton (D:12) A boggart (Depths:2) 6 mummies 23 green rats 26 adders 5 giant centipedes 3 worms 3 giant mites A scorpion zombie (D:6) 9 giant eyeballs 9 giant geckos 3 oozes 167 orcs 30 bats A bat zombie (D:5) 2 giant cockroaches 15 hobgoblins 46 jackals 27 kobolds 4 training dummies (D:5) 4 ball pythons 7 giant newts 3 giant spores 17 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) 6 quokkas 19 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 9 ballistomycetes 2326 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Lamia (Snake:4) A hellephant (Depths:1) A tentacled monstrosity (Depths:1) A deep elf master archer (Elf:3) Roxanne (Swamp:4) A tengu reaver (Depths:1) A vault warden (Vaults:3) A deep elf demonologist (Elf:3) A white draconian (Depths:6) 10 vault guards A fire dragon (Swamp:5) A deep elf high priest (Elf:3) A yaktaur captain (Depths:1) 2 hydras A deep troll earth mage (Depths:2) A deep troll shaman (Depths:2) 3 centaur warriors 4 hell knights A deep troll (Depths:2) 7 harpies 3 ironbrand convokers An orc knight (Vaults:2) A red wasp (Vaults:1) An orc sorcerer (Orc:4) A black mamba (Lair:1) A spiny frog (Lair:8) A naga mage (Snake:5) Sonja (Orc:2) A two-headed ogre (Depths:3) 4 slime creatures 4 ugly things A blink frog (Lair:8) A shark (Lair:8) A deep elf mage (Elf:3) A chaos spawn (Snake:2) 2 vampire mosquitoes 2 hell hounds (Depths:1) A phantom (D:12) A naga (Snake:5) 6 orc warriors A giant goldfish (Lair:8) A black bear (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 3 ogres (Vaults:4) 2 crocodiles 4 centaurs (Vaults:4) A water moccasin (Lair:1) Blork the orc (Orc:4) 2 giant frogs An agate snail (Lair:8) A jellyfish (Lair:8) 2 orc priests (Orc:4) 2 orc wizards (Orc:4) A big fish (Lair:8) 2 spectral orcs (Orc:2) 4 green rats (Lair:1) An orc zombie (Orc:4) 3 orcs A rat (Lair:3) 109 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A tengu reaver (Depths:2) A stone giant (Orc:2) A statue (WizLab) 3 hydras An alligator (Swamp:5) A naga warrior (Snake:5) A swamp dragon (Swamp:5) 3 deep trolls A hill giant (Vaults:2) 3 lindwurms A naga mage (Snake:4) A fire drake (D:15) 5 two-headed ogres A troll (Lair:5) A giant leech (Swamp:5) 2 fire vortices (Volcano) A basilisk (D:15) A hog (Snake:3) 2 humans (Snake:3) A deep elf mage (WizLab) 5 swamp drakes (Swamp:5) 7 ogres An electric eel (Lair:6) 3 killer bees (D:14) 2 orc wizards A worker ant (D:14) An adder (Snake:3) 5 orcs A quokka (D:3) A bat (D:3) A giant spore (D:8) A ballistomycete (D:15) 6 fungi 4 plants 71 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 2506 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | OgBe, the Ogre Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/1 325 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 32/32 MP: 2/2 543 | D:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 562 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 562 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 35/39 MP: 3/3 820 | D:2 | Acquired Trog's second power 1011 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1014 | D:2 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 1014 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1016 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1359 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails 1417 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 46/48 MP: 4/4 1460 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1489 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 1493 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 1497 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 1500 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails 1500 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/54 MP: 5/5 1505 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2585 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails 2626 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 6/6 2635 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 2693 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 2700 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2711 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails 2812 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 2822 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 2823 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 2823 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2877 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 2886 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/70 MP: 7/7 2894 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 2897 | D:4 | Noticed an orc warrior 2898 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 2906 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 2906 | D:4 | HP: 2/70 [orc warrior/orcish hand axe (5)] 2907 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 3274 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 3499 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3499 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 3684 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 3690 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails 3729 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 3746 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 4049 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/78 MP: 8/8 4091 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails 4181 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 4181 | D:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails 4191 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 39 dmg 4530 | D:5 | Reached skill level 14 in Maces & Flails 4609 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 60/84 MP: 9/9 4994 | D:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails 5191 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5209 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5397 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 5407 | D:6 | Received a gift from Trog 5595 | D:7 | Noticed Satan Claus 5762 | D:7 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 5766 | D:7 | Identified a +0 cloak of preservation (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 5862 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Maces & Flails 5872 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 5947 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 5949 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 5963 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 6235 | D:7 | Killed Satan Claus 6887 | D:8 | Found Kutuoniav's Antique Armour Shoppe. 6895 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 98/98 MP: 10/10 6908 | D:8 | Bought a glowing robe for 14 gold pieces 7067 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 7067 | D:8 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7082 | D:8 | Noticed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Killed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7633 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 7793 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 7805 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 7819 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 8086 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 8137 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 8429 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8546 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8553 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 8714 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8751 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 8751 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 8753 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 8851 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 8867 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 52/119 MP: 11/11 9223 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 9224 | D:10 | Got a warped great mace {god gift} 9225 | D:10 | Identified the +4,+9 great mace "Worm's Wrath" {crush, *Rage Dex+1 Int+4 Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 9288 | D:11 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 10094 | Lair:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 10104 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Maces & Flails 10602 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 10770 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Maces & Flails 10847 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg 10979 | Lair:2 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 10983 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11004 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Trog 11005 | Lair:2 | Got a jewelled giant spiked club {god gift} 11006 | Lair:2 | Identified the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 11390 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 120/128 MP: 12/12 11453 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 11460 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 11461 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 11463 | Lair:3 | Noticed Rupert 11486 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 31 dmg 11488 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11488 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 19 in Maces & Flails 11628 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 12221 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 12225 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 12234 | Lair:3 | Killed Rupert 12514 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Maces & Flails 13753 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 13766 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 13767 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14217 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 14229 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14302 | Lair:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 14774 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 140/140 MP: 13/13 15174 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 15235 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 21 in Maces & Flails 15552 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Trog 15608 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 17063 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 17307 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 17327 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 18089 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 18215 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 18589 | Lair:8 | Got a shimmering brass ring 18595 | Lair:8 | Got a faintly humming robe 18597 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/156 MP: 14/14 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the +2 robe of Anarchy {rPois rN+ Int+3 SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18693 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 18764 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19322 | D:11 | Reached skill level 22 in Maces & Flails 19398 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 19532 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19544 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19684 | D:11 | Received a gift from Trog 19694 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 19728 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19738 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19893 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Sonja 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Psyche 20120 | Orc:2 | Noticed Nergalle 20182 | D:12 | Noticed Urug 20189 | D:12 | Killed Urug 20861 | D:12 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 21064 | D:13 | Found a frozen archway. 21078 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 21111 | IceCv | ! 21536 | D:13 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 22050 | D:13 | Received a gift from Trog 22170 | D:13 | Noticed Maurice 22185 | D:13 | Killed Maurice 22193 | D:13 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You took it off Maurice on level 13 of the Dungeon) 22198 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 22445 | D:13 | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg 23008 | D:14 | Received a gift from Trog 23160 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 23434 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 24006 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 169/169 MP: 15/15 24148 | D:15 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 24835 | D:15 | Received a gift from Trog 24839 | D:15 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 25278 | Orc:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25705 | Orc:1 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25890 | Orc:2 | Killed Psyche 25903 | Orc:2 | Killed Sonja 25914 | Orc:2 | Killed Nergalle 25932 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Trog 26094 | Orc:3 | You fall through a shaft! 26094 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 26122 | Orc:4 | Found Umpaoba's Antique Armour Shop. 26153 | Orc:4 | Bought a runed wizard hat for 80 gold pieces 26196 | Orc:4 | Found a dark tunnel. 26204 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 26684 | Orc:4 | Bought a shimmering ice dragon armour for 2560 gold pieces 26685 | Orc:4 | Identified the cursed -3 ice dragon armour of Liqisej {+Blink rF- rC++} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) 26710 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 26730 | Orc:4 | Noticed Blork the orc 27017 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 82 dmg 27168 | Orc:4 | Killed Blork the orc 27178 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 27204 | Orc:4 | Found Thiy's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 27208 | Orc:4 | Found Pnuowur's General Store. 27249 | Orc:4 | Found Smemam's Book Shoppe. 27268 | Orc:4 | Found Cajiuc's Antique Armour Shoppe. 28009 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 28147 | Snake:1 | Got a creamy pearl robe 28280 | Lair:2 | Identified the cursed -1 robe "Moah" {Stlth+} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit) 28651 | Snake:1 | Received a gift from Trog 29407 | Snake:2 | Noticed Frances 29428 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 29434 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 29434 | Snake:2 | Killed Frances 30305 | Snake:3 | Noticed Kirke 30313 | Snake:3 | Killed Kirke 30318 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 81 dmg 30941 | Snake:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 31278 | Snake:4 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 101/180 MP: 16/16 31551 | Snake:4 | Noticed Lamia 31562 | Snake:4 | Killed Lamia 31774 | Snake:4 | Received a gift from Trog 32079 | Snake:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Snake Pit 32092 | Snake:5 | Noticed Wiglaf 32102 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 36 dmg 32102 | Snake:5 | Killed Wiglaf 32704 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 33202 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 34012 | Snake:5 | Received a gift from Trog 34015 | Snake:5 | Got a fine giant club {god gift} 34017 | Snake:5 | Identified the +4,+2 giant club of Trog's Brutal Revenge {elec, *Tele Stlth--} (Trog gifted it to you on level 5 of the Snake Pit) 34182 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 35 dmg 34640 | Snake:5 | Got a serpentine rune of Zot 35093 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Trog 35203 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 35709 | Swamp:1 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 183/198 MP: 17/17 36250 | Swamp:2 | Received a gift from Trog 37236 | Swamp:3 | Received a gift from Trog 37767 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Jorgrun 37779 | Swamp:4 | Killed Jorgrun 38191 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Roxanne 38202 | Swamp:4 | Killed Roxanne 38309 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp 38319 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Donald 38339 | Swamp:5 | Killed Donald 38617 | Swamp:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 38652 | Swamp:5 | Received a gift from Trog 38694 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Louise 38719 | Swamp:5 | Killed Louise 38792 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Agnes 38798 | Swamp:5 | Huge Dmg: 30 dmg 38800 | Swamp:5 | Killed Agnes 39126 | Swamp:5 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 39920 | D:16 | Entered Level 16 of the Dungeon 40060 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 65 dmg 40068 | D:16 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 147/213 MP: 18/18 40081 | D:16 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 40143 | D:16 | Found Weshrast's Weapon Boutique. 40225 | D:16 | Got a brightly glowing bronze ring 40226 | D:16 | Identified the ring "Toiniq" {Ice Dex-3 Int+3} (You found it on level 16 of the Dungeon) 40247 | D:16 | Found a magical portal. 40256 | WizLab | Entered a wizard's laboratory 40328 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 106 dmg 40542 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 70 dmg 40556 | WizLab | Received a gift from Trog 40711 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 47 dmg 40927 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 59 dmg 40932 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 41509 | WizLab | Received a gift from Trog 42189 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 42714 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 43571 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Trog 44301 | Vaults:2 | Huge Dmg: 52 dmg 44352 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 44687 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 44694 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 186/228 MP: 9/18 44696 | Vaults:2 | Got a crude giant club {god gift} 44697 | Vaults:2 | Identified the +2,+4 giant club "Clulu" {crush, rC+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Vaults) 44937 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 45132 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 23 in Fighting 45836 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 46139 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades. 46295 | Vaults:3 | Identified a +0 rod of demonology (14/14) (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) 46372 | Vaults:3 | Cast into the Abyss (vault warden) 46383 | Vaults:3 | Escaped the Abyss 46465 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Trog 46592 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt. 46592 | Vaults:3 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 46593 | Vaults:3 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 47137 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Trog 47158 | Vaults:3 | Got a brightly glowing giant club {god gift} 47160 | Vaults:3 | Identified the +4,+6 giant club "Uzxyatup" {flame, +Fly MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Vaults) 47346 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 24 in Fighting 47491 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 190/244 MP: 19/19 47625 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog 47644 | Vaults:4 | Got an ichor-stained giant spiked club {god gift} 47645 | Vaults:4 | Identified the -1,+7 giant spiked club of Chay {venom, Str-2 Int+3} (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Vaults) 47914 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 48104 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog 48160 | Vaults:4 | Found Schelucism's Magical Wand Shoppe. 48161 | Vaults:4 | Found Xuzerch's Assorted Antiques. 48170 | Vaults:4 | Bought a wand of heal wounds (3) for 882 gold pieces 48190 | Vaults:4 | Found Freuneg's Food Shoppe. 48371 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 48543 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog 49399 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths 49406 | Depths:1 | Found Cueklept's Gadget Boutique. 49419 | Depths:1 | Bought a plain deck of wonders for 525 gold pieces 49689 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 82 dmg 50310 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Trog 50311 | Depths:1 | Got an ancient giant club {god gift} 50312 | Depths:1 | Identified the +6,+5 giant club of Impermanence {flame, Dex+1} (Trog gifted it to you on level 1 of the Depths) 50399 | Depths:1 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 50452 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell. 50655 | Depths:1 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss. 51184 | Depths:2 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 51254 | Depths:2 | Noticed Norris 51269 | Depths:2 | Killed Norris 51269 | Depths:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations 51280 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog 51399 | Depths:2 | Got a shimmering copper ring 51458 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 253/253 MP: 11/33 51651 | Depths:1 | Identified the ring "Pydimuj" {rPois Str+3 Dex+2} (You took it off a naga on level 2 of the Depths) 52330 | Depths:2 | Noticed Saint Roka 52346 | Depths:2 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 52359 | Depths:2 | Killed Saint Roka 52362 | Depths:2 | Huge Dmg: 89 dmg 52369 | Depths:2 | Huge Dmg: 46 dmg 52591 | Depths:2 | Noticed Sojobo 52625 | Depths:1 | Killed Sojobo 52650 | Depths:2 | Got a wavering bronze ring 52715 | Depths:2 | Identified the cursed ring of the Last Lies {Fire Int+4 Stlth++} (You took it off an orc warrior on level 2 of the Depths) 52780 | Depths:2 | Noticed a golden dragon 52789 | Depths:2 | Killed a golden dragon 52931 | Depths:2 | Got a sparkling bronze ring 52986 | Depths:2 | Identified the ring "Mashifos" {+cTele +Inv Int+2 Stlth-} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths) 53028 | Depths:2 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in rough black scales (AC +4, Dex -1). [potion of beneficial mutation] 53121 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog 53173 | Depths:2 | Noticed a golden dragon 53182 | Depths:2 | Killed a golden dragon 53580 | Depths:3 | Noticed Jory 53589 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 64 dmg 53595 | Depths:3 | Killed Jory 53600 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 50 dmg 54004 | Depths:3 | Noticed Margery 54014 | Depths:3 | Killed Margery 54266 | Depths:3 | Received a gift from Trog 54303 | Depths:3 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 54307 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 45 dmg 54318 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 85 dmg 54856 | Depths:3 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 256/265 MP: 35/35 55259 | Depths:4 | Noticed Mennas 55271 | Depths:4 | Killed Mennas 55283 | Depths:4 | Huge Dmg: 125 dmg 55837 | Depths:4 | Received a gift from Trog 55868 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 25 in Fighting 55918 | Depths:4 | Got an iridescent morningstar {flame} 56061 | Depths:2 | Identified the cursed +2,-2 morningstar of Precise Incision {flame, rElec rF- MR++ SInv} (You took it off a tengu reaver on level 4 of the Depths) 56807 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 57096 | Depths:5 | Received a gift from Trog 57493 | Depths:5 | Huge Dmg: 60 dmg 57504 | Depths:5 | Huge Dmg: 87 dmg 58013 | Depths:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Depths 58038 | Depths:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 58038 | Depths:6 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 265/276 MP: 35/35 58962 | Depths:6 | Received a gift from Trog 59033 | Depths:6 | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg 59072 | Depths:6 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 59684 | Vaults:2 | Got a smoking giant spiked club {god gift} 59685 | Vaults:2 | Identified the +1,+9 giant spiked club "Peas Schu Wom" {drain, rF- Int+2} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Vaults) 60014 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 60134 | Elf:1 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 60332 | Elf:1 | Found Crykk's Assorted Antiques. 61191 | Elf:2 | Received a gift from Trog 61193 | Elf:2 | Got a faintly glowing giant club {god gift} 61194 | Elf:2 | Identified the +3,+8 giant club of Chagrin {freeze, Contam Stlth++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Elven Halls) 61199 | Elf:2 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [mutagenic glow] 61563 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls 61970 | Elf:3 | Found Kesor's General Store. 61976 | Elf:3 | Bought an uncursed amulet of conservation for 325 gold pieces 62430 | Elf:3 | Reached skill level 26 in Fighting 62488 | Elf:3 | Huge Dmg: 59 dmg 62804 | Elf:3 | Received a gift from Trog 62806 | Elf:3 | Got a faintly glowing giant club {god gift} 62853 | Elf:2 | Identified the +2,+6 giant club of Ameor {flame, Dex+2} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 63111 | Elf:3 | Huge Dmg: 139 dmg 63971 | Elf:2 | Received a gift from Trog 64070 | D:11 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 289/289 MP: 12/36 64426 | Vaults:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Vaults Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Mace | 126 | 90 | | | | | | || 216 Flail | | 59 | 197 | 10 | | | | || 266 Morningstar | | | 238 | 445 | | | | || 683 Giant spiked club | | | | 218 | 1293 | 1332 | 539 | 530 || 3912 Great mace | | | | 77 | 162 | | | || 239 Giant club | | | | | 27 | 198 | 619 | 417 || 1261 Throw: Stone | 1 | 12 | 1 | | 3 | | | || 17 Tomahawk | | 11 | 6 | | | | | || 17 Dart | | 3 | 63 | 12 | 22 | | | || 100 Large rock | | | | 40 | 42 | 29 | 149 | 74 || 334 Javelin | | | | 3 | 10 | | 5 | 1 || 19 Throwing net | | | | | | | 3 | || 3 Invok: Berserk | | 4 | 3 | 4 | 2 | | 4 | 4 || 21 Trog's Hand | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | || 10 Burn Spellbooks | | | 1 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 6 || 18 Brothers in Arms | | | | 11 | 13 | 7 | 13 | 8 || 52 Abil: Evoke Invisibilit | | | | | 1 | | | || 1 Evoke Flight | | | | | | | | 2 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 9 | 4 | 9 | 1 || 23 Deck | | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Use: Scroll | 4 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 22 | 25 | 15 | 11 || 110 Potion | | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 || 12 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | | 2 | 1 | | | || 4 Invisible | | | | | 7 | | | || 7 Distracted | | | | | | 2 | 3 | || 5 Held in net/web | | | | | | | 1 | || 1

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 16:47 by pickled_heretic

I think an argument can be made to forgo conventional forum wisdom and ignore Dex and Ev entirely, putting all points into Str. Throwing weapons and GSC are (allegedly) heavily Str loaded for damage calculations. You will have plenty survivability even with a useless Ev score. Javelins of penetration are like bolts of lightning thrown by Zeus when a str stacked ogre throws them. (Had an ogre named Zeus that did just that. I think I lost him in a zig)

Of course your character here is already invested into dodge but it might be something to try with another guy.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 16:57 by cerebovssquire

Yes, GSCs are heavily loaded towards STR in the sense that contribtues a small bit to damage and DEX doesn't contribute at all, not in the sense that the STR bonus is good enough for it to be worth investing STR into GSC damage.
Reference (Sequell):
*Base* weapon or mainhand unarmed damage is effectively multiplied by (39+random2(x-11)*2)/39 if x > 11. x is between str and (str+dex)/2, depending on the weapon's strength weighting.

So your base damage is multiplied by 39+random2(str-11)*2 divided by 39. This isn't that great especially if your STR is already decent. On the other hand, DEX's effect on an ogre's EV is significant, especially because your DEX is not already decent.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 16:59 by dck

Tossing away nearly 30/30 defenses on an ogre is a bad idea alright.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:01 by mikee

pickled_heretic wrote:I think an argument can be made to forgo conventional forum wisdom and ignore Dex and Ev entirely, putting all points into Str. Throwing weapons and GSC are (allegedly) heavily Str loaded for damage calculations. You will have plenty survivability even with a useless Ev score. Javelins of penetration are like bolts of lightning thrown by Zeus when a str stacked ogre throws them. (Had an ogre named Zeus that did just that. I think I lost him in a zig)

Of course your character here is already invested into dodge but it might be something to try with another guy.

The current character looks a lot better than what you're describing. It should probably be wearing its slaying ring though instead of an rpois ring.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:04 by duvessa

I have raised str for damage on GhBe because its apts are low enough that it doesn't get dodging until very late, and ghoul has the worst dex in the game anyway. Also, it wasn't for throwing. I doubt I would do it for OgBe (or, like, any other ogre), since fighting and maces are at +3 and you likely won't want to train armour until even later.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:07 by pickled_heretic

There was a thread a long time ago mentioning that 2 points of str do as much as 1 level of throwing for ranged damage. Or maybe vice versa. I already know what everyone here says about getting str beyond what you need for armor and carrying and I understand their underlying logic. I disagree. All I have to say about that is if the most dangerous threats in the game ignore EV anyway you may as well squeeze every point of damage you can out of every available action, even if it is a small increase.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:09 by dck

hobgoblins check ev i think

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:12 by Sandman25

mikee wrote:
pickled_heretic wrote:I think an argument can be made to forgo conventional forum wisdom and ignore Dex and Ev entirely, putting all points into Str. Throwing weapons and GSC are (allegedly) heavily Str loaded for damage calculations. You will have plenty survivability even with a useless Ev score. Javelins of penetration are like bolts of lightning thrown by Zeus when a str stacked ogre throws them. (Had an ogre named Zeus that did just that. I think I lost him in a zig)

Of course your character here is already invested into dodge but it might be something to try with another guy.

The current character looks a lot better than what you're describing. It should probably be wearing its slaying ring though instead of an rpois ring.

I switch to the ring of slaying when appropriate (Orb Guardians for example). If the ring had to-hit bonus, I would switch more often.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:15 by Sandman25

Taking a hatch during ascension made me learn something new - don't take hatches if possible. I landed in an explored area of Dungeon 9 which I avoided earlier because it didn't have upstairs and was fool of reindeers. Fortunately nothing spawned while I was moving towards downstairs.

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Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:22 by Sandman25

Having no rMut after Elven Halls and Vaults 5 I decided to win with 3 runes.
Zot 5 was hard, fighting 2 Orbs of Fire without rMut:

Code:: 69052 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 69055 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 69058 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably. [an orb of fire] 69059 | Zot:5 | Lost mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [an orb of fire] 69063 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [an orb of fire] 69064 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: You are very weak. (Str -4) [an orb of fire]

3 fights with Ancient Liches were fun, I didn't realize one of them summoned an Ice Fiend until I got tormented.

Code:: 71153 | Zot:5 | Huge Dmg: 141 dmg 71157 | Zot:5 | Huge Dmg: 70 dmg

I was lucky with mutations/gear so I think I will play OgWz of Ash again some day (it's much harder than OgBe for me) to feel how real Og looks

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1626-g054e7ae (tiles) character file. 1592293 OgBe the Conqueror (level 26, 314/314 HPs) Began as an Ogre Berserker on Dec 25, 2013. Was a High Priest of Trog. Escaped with the Orb ... and 3 runes on Dec 26, 2013! The game lasted 07:32:26 (72851 turns). OgBe the Conqueror (Ogre Berserker) Turns: 72851, Time: 07:32:27 HP 314/314 AC 24 Str 29 XL: 26 Next: 54% MP 12/12 EV 34 Int 9 God: Trog [*****.] Gold 2023 SH 0 Dex 17 Spells: 0 memorised, 25 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . b - +7,+9 giant spiked club (antimagic) rCold + . . Clarity . u - +6 mottled dragon armour rNeg . . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois . rCorr . B - +1 wizard hat {Int+3} rElec + rRot . F - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Saprov + . . Stasis . A - amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} g - ring of regeneration e - +5 ring of protection @: repel missiles, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: unfitting armour, fast metabolism 1, saprovore 1, tough skin 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight 0: Orb of Zot }: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver You escaped. You worshipped Trog. Trog was extremely pleased with you. You were not hungry. You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 58 of its levels. You visited the Abyss 1 time. You also visited: Ice Cave, Volcano and Wizlab. You collected 7459 gold pieces. You spent 5436 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) It poisons the flesh of those it strikes. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you turn invisible. b - a +7,+9 anti-magic giant spiked club (weapon) s - the +4,+6 giant club "Uzxyatup" {flame, +Fly MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Vaults) It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you fly. T - a +6,+9 great mace of holy wrath Missiles S - 6 curare-tipped needles Y - 3 large rocks (quivered) Armour u - a +6 mottled dragon armour (worn) B - a +1 wizard hat of intelligence (worn) F - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your evasion (+4). It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It makes you much less stealthy. Magical devices p - a wand of cold (6) q - a wand of draining (4) t - a wand of heal wounds (7) I - a wand of fire (3) J - a wand of hasting (5) U - a wand of digging (13) W - a wand of cold (3) Comestibles j - an apple Q - 9 bread rations Scrolls f - a scroll of remove curse k - 2 scrolls of teleportation E - a scroll of fear L - a scroll of blinking Jewellery e - a +5 ring of protection (left hand) g - a ring of regeneration (right hand) h - the ring "Goasum" {rF++ SInv} (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults) [ring of see invisible] It greatly protects you from fire. l - the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of poison resistance] It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. v - the ring "Mashifos" {+cTele +Inv Int+2 Stlth-} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths) [ring of teleport control] It affects your intelligence (+2). It lets you turn invisible. It makes you much less stealthy. x - an uncursed amulet of clarity z - an uncursed ring of sustenance A - the amulet of the Air (around neck) {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults) [amulet of inaccuracy] It affects your evasion (+5). It insulates you from electricity. It lets you fly. It protects you from missiles. D - an uncursed amulet of conservation G - an uncursed amulet of warding K - an uncursed ring of positive energy R - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities V - an uncursed ring of protection from cold X - a +0,+7 ring of slaying Potions m - 5 potions of curing y - 4 potions of heal wounds Miscellaneous d - a lamp of fire o - a phial of floods r - a fan of gales C - a stone of tremors N - a fan of gales O - a fan of gales P - a lamp of fire Z - a phial of floods Rods n - a +0 rod of demonology (14/14) {!a} (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) Skills: O Level 27 Fighting + Level 26.7 Maces & Flails - Level 10.9 Throwing + Level 14.0 Armour + Level 21.3 Dodging - Level 12.3 Evocations You had 25 spell levels left. You didn't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (16/16) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (3/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (5/5) Lair:6 Snake (5/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (5/5) D:14 Blade (0/1) Vaults:3 Zot (5/5) Depths:6 Depths (6/6) D:16 Crypt: Vaults:2-3 Forest: Vaults:2-3 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:8 [ D:16 ( Orc:4 [:(*[ Elf:1 * Elf:3 * Vaults:4 /*% Depths:1 } Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Depths:6 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:3 Depths:4 Ziggurat: Depths:2 Annotations: D:4 exclusion: downstairs D:6 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: upstairs Snake:3 exclusion: downstairs Snake:5 1 exclusion Vaults:3 exclusions: door and downstairs Zot:5 exclusion: upstairs Depths:3 exclusion: orange crystal statue Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have a fast metabolism. You can tolerate rotten meat. You have tough skin (AC +1). Message History The killer bee is heavily wounded. The killer bee completely misses you. You bludgeon the killer bee!! You kill the killer bee! You climb upwards. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... A goliath beetle comes into view. The goliath beetle twitches its antennae in your direction. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... The goliath beetle closely misses you. You see here an orcish club. A blizzard demon comes into view. You see here an orcish short sword. There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here. You climb upwards. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. There is a stone staircase leading down here. There is an open door here. There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... A red devil comes into view. It is wielding a runed trident. There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. Things that are here: 13 stones; an orcish chain mail; an orcish battleaxe The red devil completely misses you. A mysterious force pulls you upwards. The hatch slams shut behind you. Level annotation: exclusion: downstairs You sense a powerful magical force warping space. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... HP restored. You open the door. There is an open door here. There is an open door here. There is an open door here. There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. Level annotation: exclusion: downstairs You sense a powerful magical force warping space. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... A quasit comes into view. There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... An Orb Guardian comes into view. You impale the Orb Guardian!! The Orb Guardian is heavily wounded. The Orb Guardian barely misses you. You miss the Orb Guardian. The Orb Guardian is heavily wounded. The Orb Guardian completely misses you. You puncture the Orb Guardian! The Orb Guardian is heavily wounded. The Orb Guardian misses you. You crush the Orb Guardian like a grape!!! You kill the Orb Guardian! Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... There is an open door here. A rotting devil comes into view. There is an open door here. There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. A mysterious force pulls you upwards. The hatch slams shut behind you. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... There is an open door here. A blue devil comes into view. The blue devil completely misses you. You impale the blue devil!! The blue devil is almost dead. You puncture the blue devil! You kill the blue devil! There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. You sense a powerful magical force warping space. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here. You have escaped! .........#.........#.#...# .##.######.#.....#.#.#...#### .........#.........#.#...##.. ....######.........#.#...##.. .........#.#.....#.#......... ....######.........#.#...##.. ....# #.........#.#....... ....# #.#.....#.#.#...##.. ###.# #.........#.#...##.. # #.# #....@....#......... ###.################.######.. ........>............## ### ###.#########.........####### ###.#### #................ .......######.........####### ......................# .......################ ....#### There were no monsters in sight! 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(Zot:5) An elemental wellspring (Depths:4) A red draconian (Depths:6) 2 black draconians (Zot:5) 12 purple draconians A yellow draconian (Depths:6) 3 deep elf annihilators (Elf:3) 3 mottled draconians A merfolk javelineer (Depths:4) 2 white draconians (Depths:6) 18 ettins A minotaur (Depths:4) 4 deep elf death magi 10 ironheart preservers A siren (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 21 yaktaur captains 11 deep elf high priests 16 vault guards 10 fire dragons A death cob (Zot:3) A great orb of eyes (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 8 ice dragons 26 hydras An anaconda (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 4 anacondas 5 great orbs of eyes 18 deep troll shamans 8 statues (WizLab) 11 alligators A rakshasa (D:16) 10 deep troll earth magi A large abomination (Elf:3) A hell hog (Depths:1) 16 ogre magi 5 tengu warriors 9 very ugly things 15 naga warriors Urug (D:12) A sun demon (Elf:3) 2 orc high priests An iron golem (Vaults:3) Nergalle (Orc:2) A soul eater (Depths:5) 19 centaur warriors 6 wizards 11 deep elf knights 6 iron trolls A catoblepas (Lair:5) A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Depths:1) A death drake (shapeshifter) (Depths:3) A giant orange brain (Vaults:3) 9 unseen horrors 6 swamp dragons 15 hell knights A swamp dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) A giant orange brain (shapeshifter) (Elf:1) A lindwurm (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 3 ice statues (IceCv) 32 deep trolls A flayed ghost (Vaults:2) 13 hill giants Pikel (D:5) 13 harpies 2 griffons 6 necromancers 12 deep elf conjurers 14 ironbrand convokers 3 wolf spiders 2 red wasps 4 giant amoebae A moth of wrath (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 8 moths of wrath 5 orc sorcerers 21 orc knights An octopode (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3) A shining eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A draconian (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) 7 cyclopes A guardian serpent (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) A spiny worm (Vaults:1) 2 phantasmal warriors (Vaults:5) Maurice (D:13) A stone giant skeleton (Vaults:4) 2 black mambas (shapeshifter) 8 deep elf summoners 21 vault sentinels 2 guardian serpents (Snake:4) 29 spiny frogs 3 item mimics A queen ant (Lair:5) 30 black mambas A small abomination (Elf:3) Psyche (Orc:2) 3 hellwings 40 naga magi 44 yaktaurs A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:14) 4 trolls 8 deep elf priests A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) An iron devil (D:11) A blue devil (D:2) 10 komodo dragons 2 hydra zombies 10 fire drakes A komodo dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) A red devil (Depths:4) 7 giant leeches 21 two-headed ogres 4 fire vortices (Volcano) 2 boulder beetles 3 moth of wrath zombies (Zot:5) A hydra skeleton (D:11) A snapping turtle (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A brown ooze (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) 7 blink frogs A basilisk (shapeshifter) (Depths:3) A slime creature (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 9 bog bodies An ice dragon zombie (D:14) 2 air elementals (Depths:2) A formicid (shapeshifter) (D:14) A grizzly bear (Lair:6) 8 basilisks A grizzly bear (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A trapdoor spider (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) A griffon skeleton (D:15) A trapdoor spider (D:12) 2 wyverns 4 sharks (Lair:8) 2 stone giant simulacra (Vaults:4) 43 reindeers 42 slime creatures A redback (Vaults:4) 81 ugly things 8 water elementals (Depths:4) A chaos spawn (Snake:2) 2 elephant slugs (Lair:8) A ynoxinul (Orc:4) A steam dragon (Swamp:5) 2 wraiths (D:12) A fire bat (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 2 toenail golems (Volcano) 2 shadows 35 deep elf magi 3 hungry ghosts A golden eye (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 12 wolves A neqoxec (Depths:1) 3 fire elementals 3 merfolk (shapeshifter) A hill giant skeleton (D:9) 2 molten gargoyles (Volcano) 4 merfolk 32 vampire mosquitoes 14 hippogriffs 7 soldier ants (Lair:5) 7 manticores 18 deep elf fighters 12 hell hounds A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 3 mottled dragons 55 swamp worms 15 swamp drakes 2 slaves 7 necrophages 2 freezing wraiths (Vaults:4) 7 porcupines 6 giant goldfish 2 sky beasts 53 nagas 63 ogres 12 tengu 16 ice beasts A kobold demonologist (Vaults:1) 38 orc warriors A yellow wasp (D:10) 30 centaurs 2 boring beetles (shapeshifter) A centaur (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 14 crocodiles Satan Claus (D:7) 3 big kobolds 7 wargs A lava worm (Depths:5) A rotting devil (Elf:3) 22 water moccasins 8 giant slugs 10 agate snails A deep troll simulacrum (Vaults:2) 35 giant frogs A cyclops zombie (D:13) A wyvern zombie (D:8) 33 insubstantial wisps 2 cyclops skeletons 8 jellyfish A glowing shapeshifter simulacrum (Vaults:1) A hippogriff zombie (D:12) 12 killer bees 13 wights A troll zombie (D:12) 9 electric eels 8 lava fish 12 hounds 4 giant frog zombies 5 lava snakes (Depths:5) 13 crimson imps 5 jellies A centaur zombie (D:12) 6 goliath beetles 24 orc priests 11 big fish 5 human zombies 7 iguanas A centaur skeleton (D:10) A scorpion (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 4 orange rats (Lair:7) 26 orc wizards A quasit (Zot:5) 3 scorpions 2 human skeletons 33 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:8) 30 sheep A brain worm zombie (D:16) A crocodile zombie (D:7) A big kobold skeleton (D:12) A boggart (Depths:2) 6 mummies 23 green rats 26 adders 5 giant centipedes A lemure (Zot:2) A white imp (Zot:5) 3 worms 3 giant mites An ufetubus (D:15) A scorpion zombie (D:6) 9 giant eyeballs 9 giant geckos 3 oozes 171 orcs 30 bats A bat zombie (D:5) 2 giant cockroaches 15 hobgoblins 46 jackals 27 kobolds 4 training dummies (D:5) 4 ball pythons 7 giant newts 3 giant spores 17 goblins A goblin skeleton (D:4) 6 quokkas 19 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 9 ballistomycetes 2519 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An ancient lich (Zot:5) Lamia (Snake:4) A hellephant (Depths:1) A tentacled monstrosity (Depths:1) 3 Orb Guardians (Zot:5) A deep elf master archer (Elf:3) Roxanne (Swamp:4) A tengu reaver (Depths:1) 2 vault wardens A stone giant (Vaults:5) A deep elf demonologist (Elf:3) A mottled draconian (Zot:2) A white draconian (Depths:6) 12 vault guards A fire dragon (Swamp:5) A deep elf high priest (Elf:3) A yaktaur captain (Depths:1) 2 hydras A deep troll earth mage (Depths:2) A deep troll shaman (Depths:2) 3 centaur warriors 4 hell knights A deep troll (Depths:2) 7 harpies 3 ironbrand convokers 2 orc knights A red wasp (Vaults:1) An orc sorcerer (Orc:4) A phantasmal warrior (Vaults:5) A black mamba (Lair:1) A vault sentinel (Vaults:5) A spiny frog (Lair:8) A naga mage (Snake:5) Sonja (Orc:2) A two-headed ogre (Depths:3) 4 slime creatures 4 ugly things A blink frog (Lair:8) A shark (Lair:8) A deep elf mage (Elf:3) A chaos spawn (Snake:2) 2 vampire mosquitoes 2 hell hounds (Depths:1) A phantom (D:12) A naga (Snake:5) 6 orc warriors A giant goldfish (Lair:8) A black bear (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 3 ogres (Vaults:4) 2 crocodiles 4 centaurs (Vaults:4) A giant slug (Vaults:5) A water moccasin (Lair:1) Blork the orc (Orc:4) 2 giant frogs An agate snail (Lair:8) A jellyfish (Lair:8) 2 orc priests (Orc:4) 2 orc wizards (Orc:4) A big fish (Lair:8) An iron imp (Zot:5) A quasit (Zot:5) 2 spectral orcs (Orc:2) A lemure (Zot:5) 4 green rats (Lair:1) An orc zombie (Orc:4) A white imp (Zot:5) 4 orcs A rat (Lair:3) 127 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A tengu reaver (Depths:2) 2 stone giants A statue (WizLab) 3 hydras An alligator (Swamp:5) A naga warrior (Snake:5) A swamp dragon (Swamp:5) 5 deep trolls A hill giant (Vaults:2) 3 lindwurms A naga mage (Snake:4) A fire drake (D:15) 5 two-headed ogres 2 trolls A giant leech (Swamp:5) 2 fire vortices (Volcano) A basilisk (D:15) A hog (Snake:3) 2 humans (Snake:3) A deep elf mage (WizLab) 5 swamp drakes (Swamp:5) 8 ogres An electric eel (Lair:6) 3 killer bees (D:14) 2 orc wizards A worker ant (D:14) An adder (Snake:3) 5 orcs A quokka (D:3) A bat (D:3) A giant spore (D:8) A ballistomycete (D:15) 6 fungi 4 plants 76 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 2722 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | OgBe, the Ogre Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/1 325 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 32/32 MP: 2/2 543 | D:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 562 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 562 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 35/39 MP: 3/3 820 | D:2 | Acquired Trog's second power 1011 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1014 | D:2 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 1014 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1016 | D:2 | Noticed an agate snail 1359 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails 1417 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 46/48 MP: 4/4 1460 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1489 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 1493 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 1497 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 1500 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails 1500 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/54 MP: 5/5 1505 | D:3 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2585 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails 2626 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 6/6 2635 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 2693 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 2700 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 2711 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails 2812 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 2822 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 2823 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 2823 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 2877 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 2886 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/70 MP: 7/7 2894 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 2897 | D:4 | Noticed an orc warrior 2898 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 2906 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 2906 | D:4 | HP: 2/70 [orc warrior/orcish hand axe (5)] 2907 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 3274 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 3499 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3499 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 3684 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 3690 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails 3729 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 3746 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 4049 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/78 MP: 8/8 4091 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails 4181 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 4181 | D:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails 4191 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 39 dmg 4530 | D:5 | Reached skill level 14 in Maces & Flails 4609 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 4749 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 60/84 MP: 9/9 4994 | D:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails 5191 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5209 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5397 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 5407 | D:6 | Received a gift from Trog 5595 | D:7 | Noticed Satan Claus 5762 | D:7 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 5766 | D:7 | Identified a +0 cloak of preservation (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 5862 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Maces & Flails 5872 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 5947 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 5949 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 5963 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 6235 | D:7 | Killed Satan Claus 6887 | D:8 | Found Kutuoniav's Antique Armour Shoppe. 6895 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 98/98 MP: 10/10 6908 | D:8 | Bought a glowing robe for 14 gold pieces 7067 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 7067 | D:8 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7082 | D:8 | Noticed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Killed a cyclops 7236 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7633 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 7793 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 7805 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 7819 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 8086 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 8137 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 8429 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8546 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8553 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 8714 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8751 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 8751 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 8753 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 8851 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 8867 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8919 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 52/119 MP: 11/11 9223 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 9224 | D:10 | Got a warped great mace {god gift} 9225 | D:10 | Identified the +4,+9 great mace "Worm's Wrath" {crush, *Rage Dex+1 Int+4 Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 9288 | D:11 | Huge Dmg: 53 dmg 10094 | Lair:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 10104 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 10110 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Maces & Flails 10602 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 10770 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Maces & Flails 10847 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg 10979 | Lair:2 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 10983 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 10984 | Lair:2 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11004 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Trog 11005 | Lair:2 | Got a jewelled giant spiked club {god gift} 11006 | Lair:2 | Identified the +3,+4 giant spiked club of the Lamprey {venom, +Inv MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 11390 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 120/128 MP: 12/12 11453 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 11460 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 11461 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 11463 | Lair:3 | Noticed Rupert 11486 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 31 dmg 11488 | Lair:3 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11488 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 19 in Maces & Flails 11628 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 12221 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 12225 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 12234 | Lair:3 | Killed Rupert 12514 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Maces & Flails 13753 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 13766 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 13767 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 13769 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14217 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 14229 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 14302 | Lair:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 14774 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 140/140 MP: 13/13 15174 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 15235 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 21 in Maces & Flails 15552 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Trog 15608 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 16144 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 17063 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 17307 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 17327 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 18089 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 18215 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 18589 | Lair:8 | Got a shimmering brass ring 18595 | Lair:8 | Got a faintly humming robe 18597 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/156 MP: 14/14 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the +2 robe of Anarchy {rPois rN+ Int+3 SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18613 | Lair:8 | Identified the ring of Stazuch {rPois MR++} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 18693 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog 18764 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19322 | D:11 | Reached skill level 22 in Maces & Flails 19398 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 19532 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19544 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19684 | D:11 | Received a gift from Trog 19694 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 19728 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19738 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 19893 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Sonja 20118 | Orc:2 | Noticed Psyche 20120 | Orc:2 | Noticed Nergalle 20182 | D:12 | Noticed Urug 20189 | D:12 | Killed Urug 20861 | D:12 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 21064 | D:13 | Found a frozen archway. 21078 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 21111 | IceCv | ! 21536 | D:13 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 22050 | D:13 | Received a gift from Trog 22170 | D:13 | Noticed Maurice 22185 | D:13 | Killed Maurice 22193 | D:13 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You took it off Maurice on level 13 of the Dungeon) 22198 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 22445 | D:13 | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg 23008 | D:14 | Received a gift from Trog 23160 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 23434 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 24006 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 169/169 MP: 15/15 24148 | D:15 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 24835 | D:15 | Received a gift from Trog 24839 | D:15 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 25278 | Orc:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25705 | Orc:1 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25890 | Orc:2 | Killed Psyche 25903 | Orc:2 | Killed Sonja 25914 | Orc:2 | Killed Nergalle 25932 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Trog 26094 | Orc:3 | You fall through a shaft! 26094 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 26122 | Orc:4 | Found Umpaoba's Antique Armour Shop. 26153 | Orc:4 | Bought a runed wizard hat for 80 gold pieces 26196 | Orc:4 | Found a dark tunnel. 26204 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 26684 | Orc:4 | Bought a shimmering ice dragon armour for 2560 gold pieces 26685 | Orc:4 | Identified the cursed -3 ice dragon armour of Liqisej {+Blink rF- rC++} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) 26710 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 26730 | Orc:4 | Noticed Blork the orc 27017 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 82 dmg 27168 | Orc:4 | Killed Blork the orc 27178 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 27204 | Orc:4 | Found Thiy's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 27208 | Orc:4 | Found Pnuowur's General Store. 27249 | Orc:4 | Found Smemam's Book Shoppe. 27268 | Orc:4 | Found Cajiuc's Antique Armour Shoppe. 28009 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 28147 | Snake:1 | Got a creamy pearl robe 28280 | Lair:2 | Identified the cursed -1 robe "Moah" {Stlth+} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit) 28651 | Snake:1 | Received a gift from Trog 29407 | Snake:2 | Noticed Frances 29428 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg 29434 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 29434 | Snake:2 | Killed Frances 30305 | Snake:3 | Noticed Kirke 30313 | Snake:3 | Killed Kirke 30318 | Snake:2 | Huge Dmg: 81 dmg 30941 | Snake:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 31278 | Snake:4 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 101/180 MP: 16/16 31551 | Snake:4 | Noticed Lamia 31562 | Snake:4 | Killed Lamia 31774 | Snake:4 | Received a gift from Trog 32079 | Snake:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Snake Pit 32092 | Snake:5 | Noticed Wiglaf 32102 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 36 dmg 32102 | Snake:5 | Killed Wiglaf 32704 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 33202 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 34012 | Snake:5 | Received a gift from Trog 34015 | Snake:5 | Got a fine giant club {god gift} 34017 | Snake:5 | Identified the +4,+2 giant club of Trog's Brutal Revenge {elec, *Tele Stlth--} (Trog gifted it to you on level 5 of the Snake Pit) 34182 | Snake:5 | Huge Dmg: 35 dmg 34640 | Snake:5 | Got a serpentine rune of Zot 35093 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Trog 35203 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 35709 | Swamp:1 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 183/198 MP: 17/17 36250 | Swamp:2 | Received a gift from Trog 37236 | Swamp:3 | Received a gift from Trog 37767 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Jorgrun 37779 | Swamp:4 | Killed Jorgrun 38191 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Roxanne 38202 | Swamp:4 | Killed Roxanne 38309 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp 38319 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Donald 38339 | Swamp:5 | Killed Donald 38617 | Swamp:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 38652 | Swamp:5 | Received a gift from Trog 38694 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Louise 38719 | Swamp:5 | Killed Louise 38792 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Agnes 38798 | Swamp:5 | Huge Dmg: 30 dmg 38800 | Swamp:5 | Killed Agnes 39126 | Swamp:5 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 39920 | D:16 | Entered Level 16 of the Dungeon 40060 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 65 dmg 40068 | D:16 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 147/213 MP: 18/18 40081 | D:16 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 40143 | D:16 | Found Weshrast's Weapon Boutique. 40225 | D:16 | Got a brightly glowing bronze ring 40226 | D:16 | Identified the ring "Toiniq" {Ice Dex-3 Int+3} (You found it on level 16 of the Dungeon) 40247 | D:16 | Found a magical portal. 40256 | WizLab | Entered a wizard's laboratory 40328 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 106 dmg 40542 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 70 dmg 40556 | WizLab | Received a gift from Trog 40711 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 47 dmg 40927 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 59 dmg 40932 | WizLab | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 41509 | WizLab | Received a gift from Trog 42189 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 42714 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 43571 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Trog 44301 | Vaults:2 | Huge Dmg: 52 dmg 44352 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 44687 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 44694 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 186/228 MP: 9/18 44696 | Vaults:2 | Got a crude giant club {god gift} 44697 | Vaults:2 | Identified the +2,+4 giant club "Clulu" {crush, rC+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Vaults) 44937 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 45132 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 23 in Fighting 45836 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog 46139 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades. 46295 | Vaults:3 | Identified a +0 rod of demonology (14/14) (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) 46372 | Vaults:3 | Cast into the Abyss (vault warden) 46383 | Vaults:3 | Escaped the Abyss 46465 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Trog 46592 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt. 46592 | Vaults:3 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 46593 | Vaults:3 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 47137 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Trog 47158 | Vaults:3 | Got a brightly glowing giant club {god gift} 47160 | Vaults:3 | Identified the +4,+6 giant club "Uzxyatup" {flame, +Fly MR++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Vaults) 47346 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 24 in Fighting 47491 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 190/244 MP: 19/19 47625 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog 47644 | Vaults:4 | Got an ichor-stained giant spiked club {god gift} 47645 | Vaults:4 | Identified the -1,+7 giant spiked club of Chay {venom, Str-2 Int+3} (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Vaults) 47914 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 48104 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog 48160 | Vaults:4 | Found Schelucism's Magical Wand Shoppe. 48161 | Vaults:4 | Found Xuzerch's Assorted Antiques. 48170 | Vaults:4 | Bought a wand of heal wounds (3) for 882 gold pieces 48190 | Vaults:4 | Found Freuneg's Food Shoppe. 48371 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 48543 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog 49399 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths 49406 | Depths:1 | Found Cueklept's Gadget Boutique. 49419 | Depths:1 | Bought a plain deck of wonders for 525 gold pieces 49689 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 82 dmg 50310 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Trog 50311 | Depths:1 | Got an ancient giant club {god gift} 50312 | Depths:1 | Identified the +6,+5 giant club of Impermanence {flame, Dex+1} (Trog gifted it to you on level 1 of the Depths) 50399 | Depths:1 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 50452 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell. 50655 | Depths:1 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss. 51184 | Depths:2 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 51254 | Depths:2 | Noticed Norris 51269 | Depths:2 | Killed Norris 51269 | Depths:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations 51280 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog 51399 | Depths:2 | Got a shimmering copper ring 51458 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 253/253 MP: 11/33 51651 | Depths:1 | Identified the ring "Pydimuj" {rPois Str+3 Dex+2} (You took it off a naga on level 2 of the Depths) 52330 | Depths:2 | Noticed Saint Roka 52346 | Depths:2 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 52359 | Depths:2 | Killed Saint Roka 52362 | Depths:2 | Huge Dmg: 89 dmg 52369 | Depths:2 | Huge Dmg: 46 dmg 52591 | Depths:2 | Noticed Sojobo 52625 | Depths:1 | Killed Sojobo 52650 | Depths:2 | Got a wavering bronze ring 52715 | Depths:2 | Identified the cursed ring of the Last Lies {Fire Int+4 Stlth++} (You took it off an orc warrior on level 2 of the Depths) 52780 | Depths:2 | Noticed a golden dragon 52789 | Depths:2 | Killed a golden dragon 52931 | Depths:2 | Got a sparkling bronze ring 52986 | Depths:2 | Identified the ring "Mashifos" {+cTele +Inv Int+2 Stlth-} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths) 53028 | Depths:2 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in rough black scales (AC +4, Dex -1). [potion of beneficial mutation] 53121 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog 53173 | Depths:2 | Noticed a golden dragon 53182 | Depths:2 | Killed a golden dragon 53580 | Depths:3 | Noticed Jory 53589 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 64 dmg 53595 | Depths:3 | Killed Jory 53600 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 50 dmg 54004 | Depths:3 | Noticed Margery 54014 | Depths:3 | Killed Margery 54266 | Depths:3 | Received a gift from Trog 54303 | Depths:3 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 54307 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 45 dmg 54318 | Depths:3 | Huge Dmg: 85 dmg 54856 | Depths:3 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 256/265 MP: 35/35 55259 | Depths:4 | Noticed Mennas 55271 | Depths:4 | Killed Mennas 55283 | Depths:4 | Huge Dmg: 125 dmg 55837 | Depths:4 | Received a gift from Trog 55868 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 25 in Fighting 55918 | Depths:4 | Got an iridescent morningstar {flame} 56061 | Depths:2 | Identified the cursed +2,-2 morningstar of Precise Incision {flame, rElec rF- MR++ SInv} (You took it off a tengu reaver on level 4 of the Depths) 56807 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 57096 | Depths:5 | Received a gift from Trog 57493 | Depths:5 | Huge Dmg: 60 dmg 57504 | Depths:5 | Huge Dmg: 87 dmg 58013 | Depths:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Depths 58038 | Depths:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 58038 | Depths:6 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 265/276 MP: 35/35 58962 | Depths:6 | Received a gift from Trog 59033 | Depths:6 | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg 59072 | Depths:6 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 59684 | Vaults:2 | Got a smoking giant spiked club {god gift} 59685 | Vaults:2 | Identified the +1,+9 giant spiked club "Peas Schu Wom" {drain, rF- Int+2} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Vaults) 60014 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 60134 | Elf:1 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 60332 | Elf:1 | Found Crykk's Assorted Antiques. 61191 | Elf:2 | Received a gift from Trog 61193 | Elf:2 | Got a faintly glowing giant club {god gift} 61194 | Elf:2 | Identified the +3,+8 giant club of Chagrin {freeze, Contam Stlth++} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Elven Halls) 61199 | Elf:2 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [mutagenic glow] 61563 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls 61970 | Elf:3 | Found Kesor's General Store. 61976 | Elf:3 | Bought an uncursed amulet of conservation for 325 gold pieces 62430 | Elf:3 | Reached skill level 26 in Fighting 62488 | Elf:3 | Huge Dmg: 59 dmg 62804 | Elf:3 | Received a gift from Trog 62806 | Elf:3 | Got a faintly glowing giant club {god gift} 62853 | Elf:2 | Identified the +2,+6 giant club of Ameor {flame, Dex+2} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 63111 | Elf:3 | Huge Dmg: 139 dmg 63971 | Elf:2 | Received a gift from Trog 64070 | D:11 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 289/289 MP: 12/36 64426 | Vaults:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Vaults 65453 | Vaults:5 | Received a gift from Trog 65496 | Vaults:5 | Huge Dmg: 81 dmg 65690 | Vaults:5 | Got a scintillating bronze ring 66358 | Vaults:2 | Identified the ring "Mymorra" {Wiz rF+} (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults) 66439 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog 66798 | Vaults:5 | Got a pitted glass ring 67311 | Vaults:5 | Identified a +2 rod of striking (7/7) (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults) 67361 | Vaults:5 | Reached XP level 25. HP: 301/301 MP: 36/36 67428 | Vaults:5 | Huge Dmg: 122 dmg 67499 | Vaults:5 | Identified the ring "Goasum" {rF++ SInv} (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults) 67508 | Vaults:5 | Got a silver rune of Zot 67530 | Vaults:5 | Received a gift from Trog 67544 | Vaults:5 | Got a steaming great mace {god gift} 67987 | Depths:2 | Identified the -2,+1 great mace "Zaadit" {holy, Int+1} (Trog gifted it to you on level 5 of the Vaults) 68197 | Depths:6 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot. 68228 | Zot:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot 68357 | Zot:1 | Noticed an orb of fire 68368 | Zot:1 | Killed an orb of fire 68368 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 27 in Fighting 68809 | Zot:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Realm of Zot 68933 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing 68988 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 68999 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 69024 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 69028 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 69052 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 69055 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 69058 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably. [an orb of fire] 69059 | Zot:5 | Lost mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [an orb of fire] 69063 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [an orb of fire] 69064 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: You are very weak. (Str -4) [an orb of fire] 69066 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 69078 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 69083 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 69112 | Zot:5 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 69123 | Zot:5 | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg 69666 | Elf:1 | Lost mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [potion of cure mutation] 69666 | Elf:1 | Lost mutation: You are partially covered in rough black scales (AC +4, Dex -1). [potion of cure mutation] 69666 | Elf:1 | Lost mutation: You are very weak. (Str -4) [potion of cure mutation] 69666 | Elf:1 | Lost mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [potion of cure mutation] 69666 | Elf:1 | Lost mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably. [potion of cure mutation] 69756 | Elf:1 | Bought a potion of cure mutation for 1050 gold pieces 70945 | Zot:5 | Reached XP level 26. HP: 203/314 MP: 12/37 71153 | Zot:5 | Huge Dmg: 141 dmg 71157 | Zot:5 | Huge Dmg: 70 dmg 71491 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 71514 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 71540 | Zot:5 | Received a gift from Trog 71712 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 72156 | Zot:5 | Got the Orb of Zot 72374 | Depths:3 | Noticed an ancient lich 72500 | D:16 | Noticed Hipae the pandemonium lord 72623 | D:10 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 72851 | D:$ | Escaped with the Orb! Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Mace | 126 | 90 | | | | | | | || 216 Flail | | 59 | 197 | 10 | | | | | || 266 Morningstar | | | 238 | 445 | | | | | || 683 Giant spiked club | | | | 218 | 1293 | 1332 | 539 | 830 | 561 || 4773 Great mace | | | | 77 | 162 | | | | || 239 Giant club | | | | | 27 | 198 | 619 | 423 | || 1267 Throw: Stone | 1 | 12 | 1 | | 3 | | | | || 17 Tomahawk | | 11 | 6 | | | | | | || 17 Dart | | 3 | 63 | 12 | 22 | | | | || 100 Large rock | | | | 40 | 42 | 29 | 149 | 83 | 11 || 354 Javelin | | | | 3 | 10 | | 5 | 1 | || 19 Throwing net | | | | | | | 3 | | || 3 Invok: Berserk | | 4 | 3 | 4 | 2 | | 4 | 5 | 1 || 23 Trog's Hand | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | | || 10 Burn Spellbooks | | | 1 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 8 | 1 || 21 Brothers in Arms | | | | 11 | 13 | 7 | 13 | 10 | 4 || 58 Abil: Evoke Invisibilit | | | | | 1 | | | | || 1 Evoke Flight | | | | | | | | 2 | || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 9 | 4 | 9 | 1 | 7 || 30 Deck | | | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Use: Scroll | 4 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 22 | 25 | 15 | 13 | 3 || 115 Potion | | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 4 || 16 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | | 2 | 1 | | | | || 4 Invisible | | | | | 7 | | | | || 7 Distracted | | | | | | 2 | 3 | | || 5 Held in net/web | | | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Vault maps used: D:1: lemuel_arrival_broad_hall, hangedman_decor_peaks_small, solitary_fountain D:2: old_standard_altar, cheibriados_altar_2 D:3: elyvilon_altar_4, minmay_bat_box D:4: lemuel_zombie_altar_yredelemnul, old_standard_altar, wad_floor_pattern_2 D:5: okawaru_gym_becter, first_bread, uniq_pikel D:6: minmay_temple_entry_poolview, minmay_ogre_servants D:7: hangedman_fish_farm, uniq_sigmund D:8: serial_shops, shop_statue, jmf_multi_god_temple D:9: nemelex_deck, corner_web_ring D:10: lair_0_dummy D:11: minmay_orc_entry_guard_dogs, minmay_holes D:12: serial_undead, serial_undead_d, serial_undead_b, serial_undead_d, serial_undead_a, serial_undead_a, serial_undead_e, serial_undead_d, lemuel_mausoleum_altar_kikubaaqudgha, uniq_urug D:13: portal_ice_cave_entry_pillars_01, uniq_maurice D:14: david_vaults_2, lemuel_nasty_fountain D:15: st_stairs_3, grunt_ministairs_6 D:16: grunt_enter_depths_hoard, serial_shops, shop_statue, mu_enter_wizlab_2, item_on_display_a Temple: temple_eino_lava_8 Orc:1: basic_altar Orc:2: basic_altar, uniq_nergalle, uniq_sonja, uniq_psyche Orc:4: enter_volcano_1, serial_shops, shop, grunt_orc_cross Elf:1: eino_elf_arrival_sip, serial_shops, shop, basic_altar, spider_trap, minivault_24 Elf:3: minmay_elf_hall_circle, serial_shops, shop Lair:1: basic_altar Lair:2: lemuel_fruit_tree Lair:3: uniq_rupert Lair:4: lemuel_strawberry_fields Lair:5: basic_altar, zaba_antful_of_joy Lair:6: swamp_mist_pool, guppyfry_snake_entry_island, serial_bayou_crossing Lair:7: slime_altar_1 Lair:8: minmay_lair_end_frog_pond Swamp:1: infiniplex_staircase_pool Swamp:2: swamp_pool1 Swamp:3: swamp_pool2, tengu_band Swamp:4: uniq_jorgrun, uniq_roxanne Swamp:5: swamp_fiery, swamp_pool5, uniq_donald, uniq_louise, uniq_agnes Snake:2: uniq_frances Snake:3: basic_altar, grunt_ministairs_11, uniq_kirke Snake:4: grunt_megastairs_2, uniq_lamia Snake:5: snake_pit, uniq_wiglaf Vaults:1: vaults_room_grid, nicolae_vaults_alarming, nicolae_vaults_branching_niches, nicolae_vaults_what_the_h, hangedman_vaults_corner_blocks, v_misc_9 Vaults:2: vaults_standard_mumra_x, hangedman_vaults_river_flow, v_misc_28, hangedman_vaults_hat, hangedman_vaults_nodes, ontoclasm_vaults_hangar, vaults_mumra_chevron, ontoclasm_vaults_chip, nicolae_vaults_murderbox, vaults_room_stairs_pillars Vaults:3: vaults_mumra_hex, v_rooms_4, vaults_mumra_blade_bloodbath, minmay_crypt_entry_necro_gods, nicolae_vaults_little_squares_4, st_cross, vaults_room_fours, grunt_vaults_twisty, v_misc_10, ontoclasm_vaults_shuriken Vaults:4: vaults_room_fours, v_misc_18, v_pattern_4, hangedman_vaults_hard_town_square, vaults_room_fours, nicolae_vaults_ring_of_whatevers, v_misc_2, nicolae_vaults_stairing_the_circle, vaults_dpeg_cross, ontoclasm_vaults_bender, v_misc_25, nicolae_vaults_angled_halls Zot:1: lemuel_zot_downstairs Zot:2: zot_minivault_6 Zot:4: basic_stair_grate_trap IceCv: ice_cave_statue_garden_02 Volcano: volcano_aerie WizLab: wizlab_iskenderun Depths:1: minmay_dotted_concentric_squares, serial_shops, shop, abyss_entry_small_statue_room, grunt_hell_horde, serial_co_window_serial, co_window_of_opportunity_a, co_window_paths_a, co_window_cross_1, co_window_of_opportunity_a, co_window_corner_a, co_window_unsneaky_path_a, co_window_of_opportunity_b, co_window_corner_cb, co_window_sun, glass_columns_a, glass_columns_a, glass_columns_a, glass_columns_b, pan_entry Depths:2: hangedman_spin_cycle, hell_entry, uniq_saint_roka, uniq_norris Depths:3: nicolae_whirlpool, abyss_entry, hell_entry, pan_entry, hangedman_abyss_or_decor_clamps, minmay_protected_statue, minmay_staircase_bubble, uniq_jory, uniq_margery Depths:4: cross_vault, rand_demon_pan_entry_3, abyss_entry, hangedman_geh_valley, infiniplex_staircase_pool_1, grunt_ministairs_4, due_unseen_surprise, uniq_mennas, uniq_sojobo Depths:5: minmay_stepped, corexii_corridor_pit, hellmouth_1, bh_babel_library Depths:6: grunt_zot_entry_bicorn, hell_entry, hangedman_abyss_or_decor_stabs

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:22 by duvessa

pickled_heretic wrote:There was a thread a long time ago mentioning that 2 points of str do as much as 1 level of throwing for ranged damage. Or maybe vice versa.

It was vice versa. Problem is...throwing does not do a lot of damage in the first place. fsim: With all skills at 27 and 72 str, 9 dex, unbranded javelins do an average of about 28.8 damage against a stone giant (penetration does the same damage). Large rocks do about 29.1.
With 27 fighting/maces and 20 str, 15 dex, an unbranded +0 GSC does an average of about 29.5 damage to that stone giant every 10 aut. Your "bolts of lightning thrown by Zeus" are weaker than a weapon you can pick up on d:4 even if you decrease your str by 52.
By the way, if you happen to use a +9, +9 GSC of flaming or freezing with those 72/9 stats, it will average about 101 damage every 10 aut against that stone giant.
If you are going to argue in favour of increasing str for damage, throwing is a really bad thing to focus on.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 17:29 by Sandman25

Yes, large rocks are good vs melee only monsters but not that good vs Stone Giants/Yaktaur Captains (I tried to have a duel). Hiding behind a corner and killing them in 1-2 hits with GSC or just going forward to them felt much better especially when there were several ones around.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:02 by pickled_heretic

I did some testing in wiz mode, the aed increase per 10 points of str for vanilla javelins was 3. That stayed consistent for for all data points from 10 to 40.

Interestingly, with melee weapons, the increase per 10 points got higher as you got more str. The highest aed increase was a bit over 5 points, going from 30 to 40 str. With a vanilla 0/0 gsc that was a 27% increase (around 19 to 24 aed).

was done against an ogre and a death yak. Results were almost identical across the two. What we are really comparing is 10 str to 10 Dex, since that is the amount of distributable points over 30 levels.

In terms of javelins of penetration, of course they are going to get beat in terms of damage with single targets by large rocks and gsc. That is why you throw them into crowds, and to target dangerous but weak monsters piled behind piles of fodder (eyeballs, casters etc). And in any case, large rocks and gsc are both affected by str too.

Finally, I am not even recommending one over the other. Ev is good too, that is why I recommended the MDA earlier. I am just saying that a 25% damage boost to your weapon's base damage is worth considering.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:05 by dck

I won't comment on the rest of the stuff but large rocks penetrate now.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:12 by pickled_heretic

dck wrote:I won't comment on the rest of the stuff but large rocks penetrate now.

I read that change in .14. Sounds awesome, sadly I have not had a chance to see it myself.

duvessa wrote:
pickled_heretic wrote:There was a thread a long time ago mentioning that 2 points of str do as much as 1 level of throwing for ranged damage. Or maybe vice versa.
It was vice versa. Problem is...throwing does not do a lot of damage in the first place. fsim: With all skills at 27 and 72 str, 9 dex, unbranded javelins do an average of about 28.8 damage against a stone giant (penetration does the same damage). Large rocks do about 29.1.
With 27 fighting/maces and 20 str, 15 dex, an unbranded +0 GSC does an average of about 29.5 damage to that stone giant every 10 aut. Your "bolts of lightning thrown by Zeus" are weaker than a weapon you can pick up on d:4 even if you decrease your str by 52.
By the way, if you happen to use a +9, +9 GSC of flaming or freezing with those 72/9 stats, it will average about 101 damage every 10 aut against that stone giant.
If you are going to argue in favour of increasing str for damage, throwing is a really bad thing to focus on.

This was never gsc vs. Javelins of penetration. No ogre would ever deal with single targets by throwing javelins at them. The thing is, that 20 DMG from the javelin becomes 40, 60, and 80 pretty quickly, and slaying has a multiplicative effect.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:13 by cerebovssquire

10 dex makes more than 25% difference to your EV as an OgBe who trained some Dodging. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that you dodge 25% better, and the damage calculations are complicated as well, so I'll just point to the example of the OgBe we are discussing here (34 EV - wizmode that with 7 DEX and see what happens) and also say that from my experience DEX is actually significantly better on ogres. I don't think it is "worth considering" in the sense that there is actually a hard decision to make betwen the two.

Something else that should be considered is that if we simplify things and look at 25% damage prevention per attack compared to +25% damage per attack, the former is often more relevant since as a primarily melee fighter you will often be attacked without being able to counterattack with your main weapon, and with most characters you will be attacked more often than you attack in the actually hard situations of the game (with exceptions like D:1, but discussing that in the context of raising stats doesn't make any sense).

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:20 by pickled_heretic

cerebovssquire wrote:
Something else that should be considered is that if we simplify things and look at 25% damage prevention per attack compared to +25% damage per attack, the former is often more relevant since as a primarily melee fighter you will often be attacked without being able to counterattack with your main weapon, and with most characters you will be attacked more often than you attack in the actually hard situations of the game (with exceptions like D:1, but discussing that in the context of raising stats doesn't make any sense).

You could frame an identical argument toward shields vs. 2 handers, but nearly everyone prefers 2 handers. I believe you even said yourself in another topic that offense becomes a form of defense as you are better equipped to deal with dangerous threats quickly.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:35 by cerebovssquire

These two statements aren't mutually exclusive:
"you are attacked more often than you attack in dangerous situations, therefore I would generally prefer an increase in defense to an equal increase in offense"
and
"the increase in offense by training for a GSC is far greater than the increase in defense you will get by training Dodging with the same amount of exp at a certain point, and at that point you should train to switch from your +11 dire flail to this GSC"

Yes, the first is an argument against two-handers, but once you consider the fact that two-handers do a lot of damage and shields aren't that great at preventing it it isn't a very strong argument against two-handers. And of course it depends on the character if two-handers are actually the best option.
"equal increase" meaning "equally strong against an individual monster". Of course some monsters don't even check EV, have different accuracies, etc. so I don't think that is actually a strong argument compared to the fact that DEX gives you a lot of EV and STR doesn't give you a lot of damage

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:37 by pickled_heretic

cerebovssquire wrote:You are talking about how you should basically put exp into surviving (EV, HP) when your damage output is sufficient. Increasing your damage output also helps you survive because the things damaging you die quickly.

Ah, that wasn't so hard to find. You can have your cake, or you can eat it. Not both

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 18:42 by cerebovssquire

pickled_heretic wrote:
cerebovssquire wrote:You are talking about how you should basically put exp into surviving (EV, HP) when your damage output is sufficient. Increasing your damage output also helps you survive because the things damaging you die quickly.

Ah, that wasn't so hard to find. You can have your cake, or you can eat it. Not both

You aren't adressing the fact that that I said that about an in-game case where I believed that the increase of offense by training M&F > the increase of defense training given equal EXP investment.
Here I am talking about a theoretical case where (1) increase of offense against a single monster = increase of defense against a single monster and then saying that (2) you will be fighting against monsters 1 at a time in melee, but multiple monsters will attack you at once, so I would prefer the increase of defense.

You really have to pretend that I don't give any consideration to quantity of defense vs offense and just made a sweeping statement that defense > offense for preventing damage for these statements to be contradictory, which isn't anywhere close to my opinion.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 20:01 by duvessa

pickled_heretic wrote:slaying has a multiplicative effect

I feel like you shouldn't be giving advice about melee or throwing damage when you clearly have no understanding whatsoever of how melee or throwing damage works.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 20:27 by Abominae

Tavern arguments seem to only have two modes of discourse: "Oh...I can't refute your point? Well, here is some out of context quote by you!!" and "Oh...You proved me wrong? Well, let's ignore that. Can you disprove this completely different point that isn't relevant to our original argument!?"

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 20:56 by pickled_heretic

duvessa wrote:
pickled_heretic wrote:slaying has a multiplicative effect
I feel like you shouldn't be giving advice about melee or throwing damage when you clearly have no understanding whatsoever of how melee or throwing damage works.

You throw a javelin with 5 slaying and hit one creature. Slaying adds a total 1d5 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 2 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 2d5 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 3 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 3d5 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 4 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 4d5 damage...

Abominae wrote:Tavern arguments seem to only have two modes of discourse: "Oh...I can't refute your point? Well, here is some out of context quote by you!!" and "Oh...You proved me wrong? Well, let's ignore that. Can you disprove this completely different point that isn't relevant to our original argument!?"

If you are referring to my quote, I don't see how it is out of context. It applies both to his example and this one. The only thing we are down to is what percentage of survivability is worth trading what percentage of killing power. Against things like hellfire and torment, I would gladly trade a 0% survivability increase for a 25% base damage increase.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 21:23 by cerebovssquire

It is out of context because you were simplifying the argument by completely removing quantity from it and then both pretend to understand my argument, then claimed that two statements are inconsistent when the inconsistency only exists between simplified versions.

The only thing we are down to is what percentage of survivability is worth trading what percentage of killing power

this is what i have been saying for the last three posts while you were talking about some inconsistency that only exists if you disregard exactly this jesus christ

Against things like hellfire and torment, I would gladly trade a 0% survivability increase for a 25% base damage increase.

In extended I would like EV against strong melee monsters (executioners, ice fiends, pan lords, hell lords) and conjurations (mainly elemental bolts and iron shot), so just basing a "STR is better" argument upon "0% survivability" against hellfire and torment is problematic because it ignores the rest of the extended endgame where torment and hellfire appear in. But yes, I agree that 25% damage is better than good EV in many situations in extended. Still, the reason why many say that hellfire and torment are the biggest threats in extended is because characters in extended frequently have defences good enough to disregard most other attacks.
More importantly, though, I don't consider extended when allocating stats and skill points in a part of the game that is far away from extended, in a game where I might not even go into extended (and you shouldn't treat hellfire and torment as important outside of extended). If you want to have an unnecessarily hard time against everything between Lair and extended (where basically every dangerous attack, exceptions being clouds, smiting and fireballs, is effected by EV) go ahead, but to everyone concerned about winning the game that part of the game is meaningful.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 21:35 by pickled_heretic

I understood exactly what you meant from the very beginning, but I was being facetious because I am getting annoyed with your selective arguing and failing to provide a single piece of concrete evidence. And in any case, your quote still applies to both scenarios. It's just a calculus comparing survivability and killing power.

In terms of only concerning yourself for a 3 rune game, I usually make that decision pretty early on, but in any case, this is another great argument for shields. Shields are great for increasing survivability (contrary to your previous statement - compare a shielded to Shieldless naga of Chei) and are even easier for large races to use. One of the main reasons to forgo shields is that they don't do anything against some of the most dangerous threats, e.g. torment and hellfire (does that list look familiar?) So it is more efficient to increase killing power.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 21:50 by Sar

Shields also don't do anything vs. bolt spells (EV helps here) and their effective value is cut in half after every successful block during a given turn. Also I believe somebody already posted numbers ITT on how weak the actual effect of Str on melee damage is, how can it be compared to two-handers? Also, decent twohanders are less rare.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 21:55 by pickled_heretic

Sar wrote:Shields also don't do anything vs. bolt spells (EV helps here) and their effective value is cut in half after every successful block during a given turn. Also I believe somebody already posted numbers ITT on how weak the actual effect of Str on melee damage is, how can it be compared to two-handers? Also, decent twohanders are less rare.

In my testing, increasing str from 30 to 40 resulted in a 27% base aed increase. I don't think that is weak, but opinions may differ, I suppose.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:01 by Siegurt

pickled_heretic wrote:You throw a javelin with 5 slaying and hit one creature. Slaying adds a total 1d5 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 2 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 2d10 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 3 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 3d15 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 4 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 4d20 damage...

This math is incorrect, slaying adds 1d5 to each creature it hits, so:

1 creature: 1d5
2 creatures: 2d5
3 creatures: 3d5
4 creatures: 4d5

etc.

In this case it's more proper to say that penetration acts as a multiplier for damage (base or slaying), rather than "slaying acts a multiplier" since slaying is the thing being multiplied, rather than the thing doing the multiplying. I'm not sure that's really relevant to anyone's point in this matter.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:06 by Sar

27% seems like a lot. This is weird. Still not sure I would sacrifice decent EV.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:07 by pickled_heretic

Siegurt wrote:
pickled_heretic wrote:You throw a javelin with 5 slaying and hit one creature. Slaying adds a total 1d5 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 2 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 2d10 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 3 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 3d15 damage.

You throw a penetrating javelin with 5 slaying and hit 4 creatures. Slaying adds a total of 4d20 damage...

This math is incorrect, slaying adds 1d5 to each creature it hits, so:

1 creature: 1d5
2 creatures: 2d5
3 creatures: 3d5
4 creatures: 4d5

etc.

In this case it's more proper to say that penetration acts as a multiplier for damage (base or slaying), rather than "slaying acts a multiplier" since slaying is the thing being multiplied, rather than the thing doing the multiplying. I'm not sure that's really relevant to anyone's point in this matter.

That's right, sorry. In either case its just an issue of semantics and I don't think it was worthy of the vitriolic bile that was spewed at me.

Sar wrote:27% seems like a lot. This is weird. Still not sure I would sacrifice decent EV.

Yeah, well, get this. I never said it was optimal, just that it might be a fun alternative to the conventional wisdom here. I like EV as much as the next guy. People around here have such a hair trigger.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:09 by dck

(people often have great defenses by post-end because they don't spend the entire game training str to end up like lesser-skilled players with no EV)

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:14 by cerebovssquire

I don't see what type of evidence could be more concrete than providing the STR-based damage formula, but OK. If you feel that the comparison is lacking, knowledge bots have ??dodging which includes the following:

Code:: First, halve the part of your dex over 24, and then halve the part over 34. Then your base EV is 10 + size_factor + (7 + dodging * new_dex) / (20 - size_factor). Then subtract your aevp and asp, then halve the part over 30, and then halve the part over 50. Then apply randarts, rings, and merfolk/tengu bonuses. Go stepdowns!

Sandman25 had 17 dex when he ascended so he isn't even in stepdown range yet. Ogres have size factor -2. If he had trained STR he would have DEX 7. This is a pretty huge difference in terms of base EV since the number before devision through (20 - size factor) is eventually more than doubled after raising DEX whereas the same can't be said about your STR's effect on 39+random2(str-11)*2, partly because of the way the formula works and partly because your STR is already good regardless of how you allocate stats.

I am not only concerning myself with a 3-rune game. I sometimes only plan to 3-rune, but for the sake of argument let's assume I am going to 15-rune. I am still concerned about the part between Lair and extended (where I can either have good EV or not), because I consider this part to be harder than extended and also because my problems in extended usually result more from torment/hellfire monsters being in a position where I can't hit them, not from situations where they don't die quickly enough when I hit them.
This is also relevant to the "so shields are good after all?" part. The "hellfire and torment don't care about SH" argument works partly because you can mitigate your "loss" of SH with AC and EV, meaning that your defenses are good enough that you only really care about torment and hellfire in extended. Your hypothetical STR-focussed ogre has bad EV and SH, so all of the enemies which would be irrelevant in extended suddenly become more relevant, and as a result you can't focus on hellfire on torment being dangerous quite as much as you normally would.
Also, SH is worse than EV (you can check ??sh for evidence, and consider unblockable elemental conjurations), so inferring arguments about SH from EV doesn't work that well.

compare a shielded to Shieldless naga of Chei

This is besides the point because Chei characters care more about monster's ranged attacks since they get shot more due to slow movement, making defense even more important, so it's not a fair example. But a naga of chei still could do just fine without a shield because of natural AC, heavy armour being decent on nagas, and on top of that good EV being possible because of great dex.
I am assuming that this character doesn't cast spells because my opinion on shields on characters which mainly deal damage with spells is often different than my opinion on shields which deal damage mainly in melee. If you meant the former, this example loses more relevance to our OgBe discussion.

edit: Sar said some stuff already in this post because it took some time to type, sorry; the point about common good two-handers would also be relevant to this post

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:14 by pickled_heretic

dck wrote:(people often have great defenses by post-end because they don't spend the entire game training str to end up like lesser-skilled players with no EV)

Is there any moderation in this forum?

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:20 by Sandman25

pickled_heretic wrote:Is there any moderation in this forum?

Officially yes. But don't expect too much from most posters here, or you will be disappointed.

Guys, please get out of my topic. Let it RIP.

Thursday, 26th December 2013, 22:30 by pickled_heretic

I compared 10 Dex to 20 dex in GDA with 20 armor skill and 20 dodge. It was a difference of 10 ev to 16 ev. Both characters had 23 ac. Against some monsters (death yak) it made a substantial difference in damage taken, about 25% or so. Against others, (hydra) it had no significant effect (less than 5%). My guess is that once you hit a break point against the monster's HD it starts to kick in.

Anyway, I apologize for turning this into a flame war over nothing. Hopefully some people still managed to learn something from this.