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Although the central place for design discussion is ##crawl-dev on freenode, some may find it helpful to discuss requests and suggestions here first.
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Amnesiac wrote:There is this god who gives you two no-brainer abilities and his gifts are useful for most species and backgrounds, too. Don't you think that something should be done with that? At least the bonus from heroism should be scaled by character level or skills or it is too strong and there is no way you'll need to think about not using this ability. Same with finesse, it should be proportional to character level. But that won't change much in terms of no-brainerness, so I think that the solution needs to be more decisive.
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evilmike wrote:Amnesiac wrote:There is this god who gives you two no-brainer abilities and his gifts are useful for most species and backgrounds, too. Don't you think that something should be done with that? At least the bonus from heroism should be scaled by character level or skills or it is too strong and there is no way you'll need to think about not using this ability. Same with finesse, it should be proportional to character level. But that won't change much in terms of no-brainerness, so I think that the solution needs to be more decisive.
No.
dck wrote:There is this god who gives you all the spells in the game and prevents miscasts and gives you a free mp button but you don't see people complaining about it.
There is this other god who gives you lots of necro spells and prevents necro miscasts then improves your melee vastly, but people don't complain about that either.
Oka is fine, he lets you start picking up spells sooner into the game which is good and much later he lets you use better-than-haste melee, though sparingly. Making Hero area based is ridiculous; making it a permanent, passive buff however is not and it's how it should be already since Hero is (or should be) at all times active whenever it may be even remotely relevant to have it available at all. Oka's constant shower of junk with the occasional okay item isn't a factor when you're deciding which god to follow because there are other gods who don't have supposed benefits you may never see at all.
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Amnesiac wrote:the only other melee alternative(and oka benefits both melee and ranged and allows magic) is Trog
Amnesiac wrote:you can always switch to another god like Kiku
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As for oka, the only other melee alternative(and oka benefits both melee and ranged and allows magic) is Trog
but that doesn't change the fact that oka is too simplistic
And what use there is in worshiping TSO in the early game?
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Amnesiac wrote:simplistic
no-brainer
kinda... sad
just boring
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Arrhythmia: 1) every character needs HP to live - Arrhythmia: 2) makh gives HP - Arrhythmia: 3) therefor, makh is good for every character
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Arrhythmia wrote:Every character should cast spells, because spells can do a lot of very good things in this game.
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dck wrote:but this is true
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crate wrote:I actually assumed this was a joke topic poking fun at some other things that have been posted on tavern recently when I first saw it.
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Amnesiac wrote:okawaru the no-brainer
minmay wrote:Well...Okawaru isn't a great melee god.
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Mankeli wrote:I'm pretty sure your reasons for Okawaru being extremely overpowered (where there any?) are not persuasive enough.
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