Picking a stat to increase at level-up


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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 16:35

Picking a stat to increase at level-up

I don't know if I am alone with this problem, but for me it is a bit troublesome that (S)trength and (D)exterity are using two keys next to each other. I am often hit the wrong one when it's dark, but now I missed it during a day. It's not critical, but annoying. Maybe S(t)rength can be used this way, with (t) as active key? Or maybe confirmation with (y/n) is appropriate?

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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 18:25

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

The movement keys are next to one another, and hitting the wrong one can mean certain death. Do you want confirmation there?
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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 18:45

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Are you really do not see the difference here?

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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 19:08

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

white_noise: I've had that problem too, but I have taken it as a sign that I need to play closer attention to what my fingers are doing. As yogaFLAME implies, the game as a whole demands this level of alertness.
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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 19:18

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Raising a stat is fairly rare event. And it has pretty big impact. Why don't add the confirmation? We have confirmations on many events although it unnecessary if player keeps attention. But it has been made to exclude unwanted mistakes. This is exactly the same thing.

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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 19:58

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

I think it could easily implemented as an optional confirmation (e.g. defaulting to off) in the .ini file...
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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 20:22

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

I don't see how this is a problem. Everything stops when you gain a level. There's a "More..." and then a prompt. You have all the time in the world to be careful, think about your character's development, and then choose Int.

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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 21:26

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

I personally do not need any time to think about it. I know what I will choose long before level up. So I just close this "pop-up" and continue playing. This kind of actions rarely requires much attention. And if you always pick int, you probably wouldn't want the keys 'u' and 'o' doing some irreversible changes to your char. Well, I always pick dex and there is always a chance to pick str instead if I don't see keyboard good enough. Also I don't know any other events in game that provoke such mistakes.

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Post Sunday, 2nd September 2012, 22:29

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

One example was already brought up: movement.

Also, each single stat choice isn't all that relevant.
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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 06:59

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Galefury wrote:One example was already brought up: movement.

- Movement keys are close to each other because you use them all together and with one hand. Something you don't do (and don't need) with stat picking.
- I (and I believe everybody else) always keep a hand on movement keys, so I don't need to search for them. And if I do, they are easier to find even without looking.
- Movement keys are used every turn and stat picking key is once every three levels. Nine times per game at max. I don't think that confirmation here is something unreasonable, but in case of movement keys confirmation would be crazy.
- You CAN go back if you push wrong movement key.

I have brought example too. There is pretty unnecessary confirmations in game, like walking into a cloud or excluded area. Hell yes I want to go there if I push this button. But in case I am sloppy the game asks me if I am sure. And I am sloppy with stat picking, so I'd like the game to ask me about it too.

Galefury wrote:Also, each single stat choice isn't all that relevant.

I know that my char don't turn into a mess after one mistake. It can spoil the game a little, though, but I don't see how confirmation (especially turned off by default) can.

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I understand now that not everybody (to say the least) have the problem with this issue, and I doubt it will be fixed, but I still think that it should be.

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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 07:14

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Are we really having this thread? You just typed an essay and yet you maintain that you're unable to find home row in the dark.

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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 07:17

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

That's not a reasonable objection to white_noise's arguments.

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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 08:41

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Any dev has idea on how much would this implementation cost in term of coding?
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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 09:06

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

palin wrote:Any dev has idea on how much would this implementation cost in term of coding?

Not a lot, but that's not the issue. We already have too many options, I don't want to add a useless one. And prompts are quite annoying. Really, Blacksheep couldn't state it better. There is a more prompt, you have all the time in the world to find the right key. Also, if you're playing tiles, you'll soon have a popup window where you can click your choice. One of the improvement done to the android port which is getting merged into trunk.
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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 09:24

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Maybe one solution is changing the DEX prompt to a capital "D".
So the choices should be: (s)trength, (D)exterity or (i)ntelligence and the interface should not accept a capital S or a lowercase d.
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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 09:33

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Maybe there is no problem to solve?

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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 14:02

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

You can also already automatically select your stat gains through Lua, by defining the choose_stat_gain function:
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: function choose_stat_gain()
: crawl.sendkeys('d')
: end

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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 16:02

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Grimm wrote:That's not a reasonable objection to white_noise's arguments.


I suppose if you're coming from the basis that his arguments are reasonable in the first place. But reasonable objections have been made already. When you pop up a confirmation dialogue, you don't pop up another confirmation dialogue asking if the user meant to click "OK." It's just bad UI design. I also reject ideas like these:

palin wrote:I think it could easily implemented as an optional confirmation (e.g. defaulting to off) in the .ini file...


palin wrote:Any dev has idea on how much would this implementation cost in term of coding?


This is the software development philosophy I firmly believe in. Adding every opt-in feature that every user wants is a great way to arrive at orphaned features and generally unmaintainable code.

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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 17:04

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

I'm coming from the basis that civility is in the serious sections of this forum always devoutly to be wished.

That being said, as the OP has accepted the rejection of his proposal, this thread can be closed. Anyone against this, say so soon.

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Post Monday, 3rd September 2012, 19:25

Re: Picking a stat to increase at level-up

Internationalization discussion split and thread shuttered.

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