Undead should get different message on wielding pain weapons


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Post Tuesday, 1st October 2013, 03:56

Undead should get different message on wielding pain weapons

It seems strange to me that Mu/Gh/bloodless Vp can feel "pain shuddering through your arm" on wielding a pain branded weapon. Flavor-wise, I didn't think undead could feel pain. Mechanic-wise, torment immunity is specifically described as immunity to unholy pain. I think a message along the lines of feeling "unholy energy", like when you resist torment, would be more appropriate, though I'm having a hard time coming up with specific suggestions that don't sound a lot like existing messages. Any thoughts?

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Post Tuesday, 1st October 2013, 04:46

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Skrybe wrote:It seems strange to me that Mu/Gh/bloodless Vp can feel "pain shuddering through your arm" on wielding a pain branded weapon. Flavor-wise, I didn't think undead could feel pain. Mechanic-wise, torment immunity is specifically described as immunity to unholy pain. I think a message along the lines of feeling "unholy energy", like when you resist torment, would be more appropriate, though I'm having a hard time coming up with specific suggestions that don't sound a lot like existing messages. Any thoughts?


They still get "Ouch! That really hurt!" messages, don't they? Presumably they can still feel pain, it's just that necromantic sources of pain don't work on them for whatever reason. Perhaps undead nervous systems work on different principles than living ones. Or perhaps they're more simply detached from the pain, so the sensation just registers as like seeing a really vivid shade of red instead of causing crippling mental anguish.

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Post Tuesday, 1st October 2013, 12:12

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Maybe something like "You feel the pain shoot through you exhilaratingly!" or "Pain flares though you like a burst of demon fire!". Ive got more if anyone likes those.
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Post Tuesday, 1st October 2013, 20:41

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Undead enjoying necromantic energy would actually make a lot of sense, though that would likely require changing other messages besides those associated with pain weapons, e.g. resisting torment.

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Post Wednesday, 2nd October 2013, 02:06

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/nod

*Torment washes over you like the breath of all embracing death*

*You revel in the power of torment*

*Torment caresses you with shadowy tendrils*

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Post Wednesday, 2nd October 2013, 14:22

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"You feel a slight tickle."

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Post Wednesday, 2nd October 2013, 15:29

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"You feel a slight tickle... in the spot where your soul might have once resided"
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Post Friday, 4th October 2013, 19:47

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We already do this for vampiric weapons. As usual, I'm not interested in bikeshedding but if someone puts a patch on Mantis, I'll apply it.

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Post Friday, 4th October 2013, 19:48

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The issue is further complicated by the fact that you get different messages depending on your Necromancy skill.
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Post Friday, 18th October 2013, 23:04

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Siegurt wrote:"You feel a slight tickle... in the spot where your soul might have once resided"


I for some odd reason think this is hilarious and needs to be added to the game. +1
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