High level charm spells

[tazoz]

I was reading the discussion about making charm spells permanent and realized that making it a game mechanic would break enchanters, having free: boots of speed, boots of levitation, amulet of control flight... by the mid game would make the game a joke.

on the other hand a 9th level charms spell with these effects would be in line with the other level 9 spells.

Permanency level 9 charms

When casting the spell a list of all the spells a player can make permanent pops up, the player chooses one of them and that spells duration is increased to permanency. Casting the spell has a hefty price as each casting even if the spell fails costs the caster 1 mp permanently(or maybe yellow magic contamination?).

[dolphin]

In the Brainstorm wiki, Duration-based spells would use max MP temporarily. So if you had all the buffs possible running at once, you would have no MP for casting other spells. See Duration-based spells

[MrMisterMonkey]

1) the charms wouldn't be permanent; they would deplete maximum mp and possibly have other effects

2) spells with permanent effects clash with crawl's current design, as it's possible to remove heavy armour, put on +int and wizardry, and quaff brilliance (though this is less bad since it's actual resource drain) for artificially raising success rates
(this means that you can get a nice permanent effect without deserving it and then go back to not deserving it)

[ryak]

I think technically in this case, that's not an issue. Since most popular charms tend to be fairly low level. If you can succeed at casting a level 9 spell even with brilliance or whatever, you probably had enough skill to cast the low level charms at least.

[MrMisterMonkey]

oh and I forgot to mention:
with ashenzari you can reskill some stuff to charms then reskill away after casting the big spell

[mumra]

What about Level 9 charms that combine some of the lower levels spells; call it "Protection" and it gives you Deflect Missiles, Swiftness/Haste, +AC. Then maybe one called Control (Charms/Transloc) that gave CTele, Phase Shift, Flight. Obviously these effects wouldn't stack with the base ones. This gives you an easy way to manage having a whole bunch of effects on at once.