urug - new behavior or change flavor text?

[dsirus5]

Urug's flavor text states that "Urug lost his eye in a fight with a harpy", and that "the vision in his remaining eye is not very good".

I lost a promising character to him recently -- javellined to death -- and it got me thinking: why should a mostly-blind orc be so deadly with ranged weapons? Especially having only one eye...wouldn't that basically eliminate his depth perception?

Should Urug take a big penalty to ranged accuracy? Should he be changed to a melee-only character? Should the flavor text be rewritten such that he's no longer described as ocularly-challenged? Or am I nitpicking too much?

[onton]

Or am I nitpicking too much?

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[cerebovssquire]

Urug really needs to keep his javelins. Otherwise he is just a differently-coloured orc knight. If the flavour text bothers people I think changing the flavour text is a better option, especially because few people read the flavour text but most expect uniques to be at least somewhat unique. Even in his current state, Urug is one of the worst uniques.

[nago]

I'd rather see him axed: currently he's just an orc knight who picked some javelins on the floor.

[Davion Fuxa]

I'd rather see him axed: currently he's just an orc knight who picked some javelins on the floor.

I'd actually rather see him expanded, rather instead of him being a Unique, we just get regular Orc Throwers who toss Javelins in your face. I see no reason why in contrast the Merfolk should be the only ones doing so. Another idea might be to have Centaurs doing so, though giving them Javelins might make them far too lethal.

[jejorda2]

Is Orc to early to give melee characters good ranged attacks from javelins? Does that even matter?

[Davion Fuxa]

Is Orc to early to give melee characters good ranged attacks from javelins? Does that even matter?

Depends on how many Javelins you give them, but if it is an issue just make them spawn after Orc Warriors and before Orc Knights and Orc Sorcerers.

[cerebovssquire]

I see no reason why in contrast the Merfolk should be the only ones doing so.

Because merfolk have to have some unique property or there is no reason to keep them in the game. Diversity is a good thing (which is precisely the reason why Urug sucks, btw).

[crate]

You already get orcs with stacks of hand axes to throw at you, it just doesn't happen with the orcs who can actually do damage with them for some reason.

[Davion Fuxa]

I see no reason why in contrast the Merfolk should be the only ones doing so.

Because merfolk have to have some unique property or there is no reason to keep them in the game. Diversity is a good thing (which is precisely the reason why Urug sucks, btw).

Merfolks already have racial advantages in the Shoals, the ability to mesmerize the player, a heavy emphasis on Polearms with a touch of use with Sabres, and Aquamancers that have some unique spells. You need a far different strategy to approach them then anything else in game. I don't think the strategy would be anything similar to a band of Orcs with their heavy emphasis on weapons and armor, combined with annoying spells, smiting, and demon summoning; or a Centaur who opts to chuck a few Javelins in an attempt to kill you extremely quickly as opposed to pincushioning you.

You already get orcs with stacks of hand axes to throw at you, it just doesn't happen with the orcs who can actually do damage with them for some reason.

Having Orc Knights and Orc Warlords spawn with Hand Axes of Returning might be interesting.

[Styro]

Having Orc Knights and Orc Warlords spawn with Hand Axes of Returning might be interesting.

I would like to die less, not more.

[njvack]

You already get orcs with stacks of hand axes to throw at you, it just doesn't happen with the orcs who can actually do damage with them for some reason.

Those orcs are smarter and picked up crossbows.

[Moose]

To make him a bit more interesting you could make him spawn with nets, and 2d2 (or so) orc warriors (or normal orcs) accompanying him, each armed with axes of returning. This would definitely increase his threat factor, and make the encounter more interesting.

[njvack]

I don't think that would increase his threat factor. Instead of throwing javelins (which actually hurt some) he'd be limiting your motion while his band ineffectually throws hand axes at you over and over. Priests would be more threatening. Or warriors with halberds -- but then you're really in gnoll territory.

Hm... a unique gnoll with nets and portal projectile and a band of reaching dudes...?

[cerebovssquire]

4 orc warriors with hand axes of returning isn't something I would take lightly. I'm not too fond of the possibility of only 2 spawning though - imo if this was implemented 2+1d2 orc warriors (definitely not vanilla orcs) would be a better idea. I like it otherwise though.