Centaurs

[snow]

Centaurs should have a lower depth.

It's not that uncommon to turn a corner and be smacked down to 20% of your HP in one shot by an early centaur. Then what do you do? They show up early enough that your survival basically depends on them missing a few shots and your luck in finding and identifying useful consumables or wands.

I'd say it would be more fair if they showed up, at earliest, on floor 3 or 4 instead of floor 2. This gives an extra floor to find consumables and wands to deal with them, as well as enough HP to survive an extra shot or so.

[molari]

It's very rare to see a centaur on floor 2 - floor 4 or 5 is usually when they start to show up in my experience. By then characters will have the consumables/abilities/etc to deal with them.

[snow]

I'm sure everyone here has some deaths to D:2 centaurs. It's no different than if traps sometimes instantly killed you on D:2. Yes it'd be rare but still a reason to change the depth of those traps.

[greepish]

Rather amusingly, I'm playing a felid now and both of my 2 deaths so far (still alive, barely ) are from massive packs of centaurs XD speed + range + massive attacks for their level is crazy. Imagine if executioners threw executioner axes

[mageykun]

I'm kind of the opinion that D:2 centaurs are a feature- much like D:2 Sigmund in LOS of the stairs, and yes, even the occasional unseen mechanical trap before you have the HP, evasion, or AC to survive one hit. Occasional unavoidable deaths are a good thing.

(Not that a D:2 centaur or Sigmund is even an unavoidable death in all cases, or course).

[snow]

The sad thing is... a centaur is far more of a threat than Sigmund.

[mikee]

I'm sure everyone here has some deaths to D:2 centaurs. It's no different than if traps sometimes instantly killed you on D:2. Yes it'd be rare but still a reason to change the depth of those traps.

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 <Sequell> 26 games for mikee_ (place=d:2): 5x , 3x Sigmund, 3x a kobold, 3x Terence, 2x a goblin, 2x Jessica, 2x Ijyb, 2x a gnoll, 1x a worm, 1x an orc priest, 1x a snake, 1x a scorpion

Have you considered that the effect of finding a centaur is much more dramatic when you clear your way to lair by alternating o and tab? Maybe you had some turn(s) to react and didn't even realize it.

[Konebred]

I haven't won yet, two runes is highest I have got so far so my noob status is still firmly entrenched. I will say one thing. Stealth is one of the best skills in the game.Anyone that doesn't have a negative penalty I usually work up to at least 8. I can't tell you how many time I have come up on something dangerous and it stayed asleep, allowing me to sneak off to another level.

[varsovie]

I'm sure everyone here has some deaths to D:2 centaurs. It's no different than if traps sometimes instantly killed you on D:2. Yes it'd be rare but still a reason to change the depth of those traps.

Maybe just make sure they don't get vorpal bow +4 +5 and flaming arrows +6 until D4.

But anyway, except if I found a really good item, it's early enough so that this kind of death is forgivable.

[ldierk]

Some statistics from a player dying waaaaaaaayyyy more often than mikee and minmay:

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43 games for ldierk (place=d:2): 9x a snake, 7x Sigmund, 6x a gnoll, 3x Crazy Yiuf, 2x Ijyb, 2x Terence, 2x a hobgoblin, 2x a kobold, 1x a sky beast, 1x a bat, 1x an orc priest, 1x a centaur, 1x a rat, 1x , 1x a jackal, 1x an orc wizard, 1x a goblin, 1x a worm

Does not look like centaurs are a real problem for me Also I don't mind dying on D:2. Dying after Lair or Orc bugs me

[Danei]

Centaurs are probably the cause of almost all of my least avoidable early deaths. It's frustrating, but I don't necessarily think it's bad that they force me to play with "what if there's a centaur in that room?" in my mind for the entire early game.