Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental schools


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Post Tuesday, 26th June 2018, 02:38

Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental schools

Vehumet can give Yara's. While it's kind of fun in general and very useful for Mummies in Dis, I don't think it's a level 5 spell gift one would be hoping for; not only it can't be used reliably on its own, it's also Hexes/Transmutations, neither of which a Vehumet worshipper finds particularly useful unless maybe it's a Felid with Fulminant Prism or something. Please limit Vehumet's gifts to those that at least partially require Conjurations or elemental schools + maybe Poison, this god is already awful as it is.

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Post Tuesday, 26th June 2018, 04:13

Re: Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental school

FWIW, I often play DE ^ Vehumet and learning Yara's not uncommon for me. DE has good hexes apt, and I learn some Hexes together with my conjurations. I don't know if it's "optimal" to do so, but I do it anyway.

Yara's situationally useful in other ways too: like dispelling haste from a deep troll in a pack, and doing a bit of damage and malmutating it and its buddies in the bargain.

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Post Tuesday, 26th June 2018, 05:28

Re: Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental school

Yara's is in fact the only non-Conjuration/elemental/Poison spell that is supported by Vehumet. So simply removing it from the Vehumet list, or making it a conjuration, would accomplish the same thing as this restriction.

I'm leaning towards saying Yara's should be a conjuration, Vehumet or not; the other damaging Hexes spell, Dazzling Spray, is also a conjuration. I know Yara's is in Transmutations because of the mutagenic part, but Conjuration/Hexes seems like it would be a better fit in terms of gameplay.

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Post Tuesday, 26th June 2018, 15:50

Re: Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental school

duvessa wrote:Yara's is in fact the only non-Conjuration/elemental/Poison spell that is supported by Vehumet. So simply removing it from the Vehumet list, or making it a conjuration, would accomplish the same thing as this restriction.

I'm leaning towards saying Yara's should be a conjuration, Vehumet or not; the other damaging Hexes spell, Dazzling Spray, is also a conjuration. I know Yara's is in Transmutations because of the mutagenic part, but Conjuration/Hexes seems like it would be a better fit in terms of gameplay.

It could also be dropped to level 4 and be made 3 school (Honestly as a level 5 spell it's pretty poor, power-level wise)
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Post Monday, 9th July 2018, 16:54

Re: Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental school

Bear in mind that god gifts are not meant to be guaranteed-useful, but merely "odds swung in your favor" to be useful. You can have a run of bad luck with Sif, Oka, etc too.
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Post Wednesday, 11th July 2018, 06:34

Re: Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental school

It's still a solid lvl 3/4 spell even if the 5 is weak "comparatively"

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Post Saturday, 14th July 2018, 18:20

Re: Limit Vehumet gifts to Conjurations and elemental school

Granted, but Sif and Oka will keep giving you gifts as long as you keep gaining piety with them, whereas Vehumet has a hard limit. I'd advocate giving a choice of spells at each offering rather than just removing Yara's, as "Which of these spells do I think I can use most effectively?" is a more interesting and meaningful choice than "Do I have enough free memorization levels / amnesia scrolls so that there's no reason to not learn this one and only spell that's available?"

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